By diehard Go To PostI don't think anyone else in here likes Mustangs like me, but competing with a GT3 RS like that is impressive.I think people just dislike the interiors.
It competed with the GT3 RS for the 4-5 hot laps they had on tap. It really comes down to the right track -- ones with longer straights will suit the 700HP of the Mustang better, but the GT3 RS was eating it in the corners by 3 car lengths. But anyway, over an actual race, the GT3 RS would average most likely 0.5-1s quicker a lap due to Porsche's incredible lack of heatsoak and powertrain loss:
I like Mustangs but I dunno if I want to be associated with that crowd who always ruins a Cars and Coffee lol.
By jongkookie Go To PostI like Mustangs but I dunno if I want to be associated with that crowd who always ruins a Cars and Coffee lol.
Why people always insulting DY?
Haha fuck them for wanting to go subscription on their website. They really misunderstood their worth and audience.
By data Go To Post@Smokey
Honda gang. I'm in.
By Lunatic Go To Post
Does "zero limits" exclude battery fill time and charging stations? lol
As much as I give the Tesla Truck shit, Tesla has a lot of infrastructure in place that I wasn't aware of. They've got a lot of super chargers all the way up the 395. Fuck they even got one in Yosemite.
Y'all ready for the future?
https://jalopnik.com/tesla-remotely-removes-autopilot-features-from-customer-1841472617
It's a bit more nuanced but basically a used car dealership buys a Tesla from a sanctioned Tesla auction, customer buys it and finds out Tesla removed/disabled features that were listed on the original window sticker(that the dealer was also advertising as features).
How did they remove it you ask? By pushing out an OTA update to that specific car.
👀👀👀
From my understanding, the window sticker(aka Monroney sticker) essentially counts as the law and any changes tied to that VIN needs to pass govt certification again or something like that. So who knows who's right or wrong here... but the fact that the features can be remotely disabled by the manufacturer all willy-nilly is kinda scary.
https://jalopnik.com/tesla-remotely-removes-autopilot-features-from-customer-1841472617
It's a bit more nuanced but basically a used car dealership buys a Tesla from a sanctioned Tesla auction, customer buys it and finds out Tesla removed/disabled features that were listed on the original window sticker(that the dealer was also advertising as features).
How did they remove it you ask? By pushing out an OTA update to that specific car.
👀👀👀
From my understanding, the window sticker(aka Monroney sticker) essentially counts as the law and any changes tied to that VIN needs to pass govt certification again or something like that. So who knows who's right or wrong here... but the fact that the features can be remotely disabled by the manufacturer all willy-nilly is kinda scary.
Pretty low by Tesla, but can't say I am surprised. It is scary that something like that is more likely to happen with other manufacturers now. :(
By jongkookie Go To PostY'all ready for the future?
https://jalopnik.com/tesla-remotely-removes-autopilot-features-from-customer-1841472617
It's a bit more nuanced but basically a used car dealership buys a Tesla from a sanctioned Tesla auction, customer buys it and finds out Tesla removed/disabled features that were listed on the original window sticker(that the dealer was also advertising as features).
How did they remove it you ask? By pushing out an OTA update to that specific car.
👀👀👀
From my understanding, the window sticker(aka Monroney sticker) essentially counts as the law and any changes tied to that VIN needs to pass govt certification again or something like that. So who knows who's right or wrong here… but the fact that the features can be remotely disabled by the manufacturer all willy-nilly is kinda scary.
Wonder if it's removed or disabled. If it's disabled, I wonder if features could be hacked after the fact. Buy a cheap version and enable the autopilot ya know.
https://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/comparison-test/a30799498/2020-porsche-taycan-turbo-s-vs-2020-tesla-model-s-performance/
One of these is a legit performance sedan and the other is an expensive A7 competitor with a one-off acceleration party trick. But let’s give the Tesla a win because it’s “cheaper.” OK 🙄
One of these is a legit performance sedan and the other is an expensive A7 competitor with a one-off acceleration party trick. But let’s give the Tesla a win because it’s “cheaper.” OK 🙄
Speaking of the Taycan, everyone that has been reviewing one is getting 30-40% better range in real life driving than the EPA says it should get.
So, ugh, what?
So, ugh, what?
By Christberg Go To Posthttps://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/comparison-test/a30799498/2020-porsche-taycan-turbo-s-vs-2020-tesla-model-s-performance/
One of these is a legit performance sedan and the other is an expensive A7 competitor with a one-off acceleration party trick. But let’s give the Tesla a win because it’s “cheaper.” OK 🙄
"cheaper" is an understatement though. It's almost twice the cost.
By Fenderputty Go To Post"cheaper" is an understatement though. It's almost twice the cost.Well, it's also reliable and made with actual premium quality and the faster car. Besides, we'll be seeing an entry-level Taycan for roughly the price of a V6 Panamera here soon.
And "twice" the cost is a gross exaggeration. You probably meant to say 50%.
By reilo Go To PostWell, it's also reliable and made with actual premium quality and the faster car. Besides, we'll be seeing an entry-level Taycan for roughly the price of a V6 Panamera here soon.
And "twice" the cost is a gross exaggeration. You probably meant to say 50%.
It's like 105k vs 180k, so no it's not that large of an exaggeration. I am aware that the Taycan is the better put together and performing car. I'm just sayin' … 60k-80k more dollars is a lot.
It's $99k base vs $150k base. It's also right in line with a Panamera Turbo and 911 Turbo. These prices aren't pulled out of thin air.
Much like the BMW 5-Series and Audi A6/A7 are a more direct competitor to the Panamera, but their pricing wildly differs.
Much like the BMW 5-Series and Audi A6/A7 are a more direct competitor to the Panamera, but their pricing wildly differs.
They're not tested using their base models and it's not like I'm saying the Porsche costs too much or anything like that. Just that "cheaper" is an understatement when making your overall evaluation.
By Fenderputty Go To PostThey're not tested using their base models and it's not like I'm saying the Porsche costs too much or anything like that. Just that "cheaper" is an understatement when making your overall evaluation.
Oh, it's half the cost. I'm just saying that beyond them both being high end sedans there's not much to compare here. Different cost and performance envelopes. Plus one's a 4 door sports car and the other is an exec express. They're actually both pretty great in their own right but it's actually kinda apples and oranges.
That, and, you know.. the "performance" version has a really misleading acceleration claim that shouldn't be used for their performance scoring.
By Christberg Go To PostThey're actually both pretty great in their own right but it's actually kinda apples and oranges.
Sort of how I feel about it too, which is why I assumed cost was as large of a factor as it was in their eval. There just isn't much to compare the Taycan too so why not a model S I suppose. lol
Porsche does this to regular car manufactures as well.
I still remember the ridiculous stunt Tesla/Elon were trying to play with Nurburgring lap times and Porsche a while back. Silly.
I still remember the ridiculous stunt Tesla/Elon were trying to play with Nurburgring lap times and Porsche a while back. Silly.
So if those C&D degradation numbers are true, after two runs (and no idiotic 45min heatup time) a Taycan 4S will be faster despite being the lower spec car. And you can get a Taycan 4S for the same price as a Model S Performance.
Incredible.
Incredible.
By ecnal Go To PostPorsche does this to regular car manufactures as well.
I still remember the ridiculous stunt Tesla/Elon were trying to play with Nurburgring lap times and Porsche a while back. Silly.
Tesla may be the least honest marketers I’ve ever seen lmao.
It’s like the auto version of a fast food burger commercial
Edit: not sure about battery tech. IMO it’s the supercharger infrastructure in place nationally that sets Tesla a part.
I dunno bout all that. Tesla definitely isn’t for enthusiasts.
But I wouldn’t categorize them as cars for people that hate cars. They’re cars for people who are indifferent about cars. Except, for those people, now there’s a brand that’s novel and exciting — future facing and economical (both in cost and in its perceived environmental impact).
I’ve never seen a car manufacture turn Prius drivers into fanatics. Tesla has executed a legitimately brilliant branding campaign.
But I wouldn’t categorize them as cars for people that hate cars. They’re cars for people who are indifferent about cars. Except, for those people, now there’s a brand that’s novel and exciting — future facing and economical (both in cost and in its perceived environmental impact).
I’ve never seen a car manufacture turn Prius drivers into fanatics. Tesla has executed a legitimately brilliant branding campaign.
Huh. Looks like sport mode in the Cayman maintains a lower stable oil temp than in non-sport mode. A difference of over 20 F. Water temp is the same regardless of performance mode. I wonder what the car does to cause this. I figure the purpose is related to fuel/emission economy vs performance tradeoff.
One of my friends, though we've grown a part, still drag races Honda Civics. B20 motor I believe? Dude started selling car parts out of his trunk in HS. Started a brick an mortar shop and now mostly does wholesale online. Pretty crazy how quick they can get that little thing down the track.
I got a guy who buys the Limited edition Type Rs. He didn't like his previous one though because it only had 2 driving modes and both were "fuck yo back"
As far as modern “pedestrian” cars go, you’d be hard pressed to beat a Civic hatchback in any trim Sport or above at its price point. Really great little cars.
My first car was a 98 Civic and I loved that thing. Still Honda gang, just can’t justify an NSX yet.
My first car was a 98 Civic and I loved that thing. Still Honda gang, just can’t justify an NSX yet.
Got to ride in the Taycan today... fucking hell that was amazing lol.
I dunno how to describe it other than this: you know when you drive a classic turbocharged car, you hit the gas, the turbo then takes like a second or two to spool then it punches your body to the back of the seat?
With the Taycan it feels quite similar, except that there's nothing to spool. Even a slight blip of the go pedal will push you to the back of the seat in such a quick manner, at one point I'm pretty sure I could feel my guts lag behind getting pushed to the seat compared to my body lmao. Oh and the cornering speed, good lord... we were going through a looong 90 degree corner around 50mph and it just gripped and gripped by the time we exited that corner we were around 75mph already. I've taken that same corner in my GTI and I can't even get past 50mph coz it just starts understeering if I go past that lol.
Anyway, even on that short ride I'm convinced that Porsche knows what it's doing. It might have an electric motor and batteries but the fit, finish, and the performance are definitely 100% Porsche. If other manufacturers can do the same thing for their own cars, then I think I might be fine with the electric future. As for the EPA shenanigans, I feel like if you cared about it that much, then you never were interested in the car in the first place. Like I dunno if a $200K Turbo S is worth it, but Porsche definitely made its case and is putting forward a very compelling product.
I dunno how to describe it other than this: you know when you drive a classic turbocharged car, you hit the gas, the turbo then takes like a second or two to spool then it punches your body to the back of the seat?
With the Taycan it feels quite similar, except that there's nothing to spool. Even a slight blip of the go pedal will push you to the back of the seat in such a quick manner, at one point I'm pretty sure I could feel my guts lag behind getting pushed to the seat compared to my body lmao. Oh and the cornering speed, good lord... we were going through a looong 90 degree corner around 50mph and it just gripped and gripped by the time we exited that corner we were around 75mph already. I've taken that same corner in my GTI and I can't even get past 50mph coz it just starts understeering if I go past that lol.
Anyway, even on that short ride I'm convinced that Porsche knows what it's doing. It might have an electric motor and batteries but the fit, finish, and the performance are definitely 100% Porsche. If other manufacturers can do the same thing for their own cars, then I think I might be fine with the electric future. As for the EPA shenanigans, I feel like if you cared about it that much, then you never were interested in the car in the first place. Like I dunno if a $200K Turbo S is worth it, but Porsche definitely made its case and is putting forward a very compelling product.
By jongkookie Go To PostGot to ride in the Taycan today… fucking hell that was amazing lol.
I dunno how to describe it other than this: you know when you drive a classic turbocharged car, you hit the gas, the turbo then takes like a second or two to spool then it punches your body to the back of the seat?
With the Taycan it feels quite similar, except that there's nothing to spool. Even a slight blip of the go pedal will push you to the back of the seat in such a quick manner, at one point I'm pretty sure I could feel my guts lag behind getting pushed to the seat compared to my body lmao. Oh and the cornering speed, good lord… we were going through a looong 90 degree corner around 50mph and it just gripped and gripped by the time we exited that corner we were around 75mph already. I've taken that same corner in my GTI and I can't even get past 50mph coz it just starts understeering if I go past that lol.
Anyway, even on that short ride I'm convinced that Porsche knows what it's doing. It might have an electric motor and batteries but the fit, finish, and the performance are definitely 100% Porsche. If other manufacturers can do the same thing for their own cars, then I think I might be fine with the electric future. As for the EPA shenanigans, I feel like if you cared about it that much, then you never were interested in the car in the first place. Like I dunno if a $200K Turbo S is worth it, but Porsche definitely made its case and is putting forward a very compelling product.
This post is funny to me. It's like the car world didn't know what electric engines could do until Porsche put one in their car.
The most impressive thing I've seen about the Taycan is that graph Reilo posted regarding performance drains and battery life. That's the type of shit that makes electric cars practical competition to standard internal combustion.
Hit play and enjoy... the audio is muted until about 10s when you can hear the sound it emits.
There's more but I'll save that for when work will let me post more lol.
There's more but I'll save that for when work will let me post more lol.
WASHINGTON — The chairman of the National Transportation Safety Board on Tuesday criticized Tesla's lack of system safeguards in a fatal Autopilot crash in California in 2018 and U.S. regulators' "scant oversight."https://www.autoblog.com/2020/02/25/tesla-autopilot-walter-huang-crash-ntsb-hearing/
NTSB Chairman Robert Sumwalt said Tesla — unlike five other auto manufacturers — has ignored safety recommendations issued in 2017.
"Sadly, one manufacturer has ignored us. And that manufacturer is Tesla. It's been 881 days since these recommendations were sent to Tesla. We're still waiting," Sumwalt said at a hearing to determine the crash's probable cause.
US needs to put the fucking hammer down on autonomous regulations.
By reilo Go To Posthttps://www.autoblog.com/2020/02/25/tesla-autopilot-walter-huang-crash-ntsb-hearing/
US needs to put the fucking hammer down on autonomous regulations.
I once had an argument with a libertarian (lol musk irony aside) that we don't need regulations cause companies won't build stuff that kills people because they would fail.
By Fenderputty Go To PostI once had an argument with a libertarian (lol musk irony aside) that we don't need regulations cause companies won't build stuff that kills people because they would fail.*points to everything ever*