Empire=Return>ANH>Rogue One>Clone Wars>Rebels>Revenge>TFA>AotC>TPM
This was blown out of the water when the director said she had nothing to do with Rey.
By Dark PhaZe Go To Postsalty af that my reys mom theory is in the trash now
This was blown out of the water when the director said she had nothing to do with Rey.
Look people that have obviously lost the child inside of them. Returns is a fun adventure film with the best space dog fight in the history of cinema.
Also, Ewoks are cool and not a single person here hated them until joining whatever internet hivemind ruined their fun childlike wonder.
Also, Ewoks are cool and not a single person here hated them until joining whatever internet hivemind ruined their fun childlike wonder.
By Apollo Go To PostAlso, Ewoks are cool and not a single person here hated them until joining whatever internet hivemind ruined their fun childlike wonder.Wrong.
I rewatched it not too long ago and I really enjoyed the Jabba's palace stuff. Very campy but lots of fun imo.
The practical effects are great.
The practical effects are great.
By Apollo Go To PostAlso, Ewoks are cool and not a single person here hated them until joining whatever internet hivemind ruined their fun childlike wonder.
By blackace Go To PostWrong.
Yeah fuck that. I've watched ROTJ within the last year, and the ewoks are just fucking annoying. I started hating them once I was old enough to realize that, not because the internet told me to.
Also I'll just echo what everyone else says about Rogue One, starts out alright, really picks up in the last battle. And Darth Vader's a G.
That was fucking proper. And yea the sentiments about the first half shoddiness and the second half being great are true and through.
Empire Strikes Back
A New Hope
Return of the Jedi
Revenge of the Sith
Rogue One
The Phantom Menace
The Attack of the Force Awakens Clones
Unless someone asks me again to join them in the trip to the cinema, I will skip the next Star Wars movies and watch them at home as proper BluRay 1080p or 4K rips. Not giving those tossers any more money.
A New Hope
Return of the Jedi
Revenge of the Sith
Rogue One
The Phantom Menace
The Attack of the Force Awakens Clones
Unless someone asks me again to join them in the trip to the cinema, I will skip the next Star Wars movies and watch them at home as proper BluRay 1080p or 4K rips. Not giving those tossers any more money.
By n8 dogg Go To Post
Empire Strikes Back
A New Hope
The Force Awakens
Rogue One
Return Of The Jedi
The Phantom Menace
Return Of The Sith
Attack Of The Clones
lol the list isn't how I'd have it but the emojis are dead on
I don't remember much about the prequals but wasn't Revenge Of The Sith better than The Phantom Menace.
the one where they go underwater was really boring
edit:
OMG I'm in tears
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wx5BTKoXRRA
I don't remember Hayden being THAT bad ahahah
edit2: his voice...no no no I can't deal
the one where they go underwater was really boring
edit:
OMG I'm in tears
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wx5BTKoXRRA
I don't remember Hayden being THAT bad ahahah
edit2: his voice...no no no I can't deal
By Ciaran Go To PostI don't remember much about the prequals but wasn't Revenge Of The Sith better than The Phantom Menace.I think Revenge is half decent, Phantom Menace is bad but Attack Of The Clones commits a worse sin, it's boring as fuck.
the one where they go underwater was really boring
edit:
OMG I'm in tears
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wx5BTKoXRRA
I don't remember Hayden being THAT bad ahahah
edit2: his voice…no no no I can't deal
When you think of the prequels as just the clone wars series and ROTS, its aite
those first two films though
those first two films though
By Apollo Go To PostEmpire=Return>ANH>Rogue One>Clone Wars>Rebels>Revenge>TFA>AotC>TPM
This was blown out of the water when the director said she had nothing to do with Rey.
its not like he was ever gonna say anything else though
wonder what kind of throwaway hoe they'll introduce as lukes wife in VIII? they don't have enough time to properly introduce her and I thought RO would be the perfect way of handling it
By Dark PhaZe Go To PostWhen you think of the prequels as just the clone wars series and ROTS, its aiteThat's basically what I do.
those first two films though
They did Grevious dirty too
that's two films in a trilogy that were wasted--should have just started with the clone wars. Nobody gives a fuck how they started or where the clones came from. George liked the smell of his own shit too much and tried to weave this massive political tale instead of just starting with the clone wars and focusing on great characters leading to a bad tragedy.
Man when Vader popped up through the shadows and gave us the best representation of him in any Star Wars in roughly nothing more than 30 seconds pheeeeeeew.
There were also some iconic and very much SW-esque quotes in this movie.
Try to not let yourself choke on your ambitions.
There were also some iconic and very much SW-esque quotes in this movie.
Try to not let yourself choke on your ambitions.
By reilo Go To PostTry to not let yourself choke on your ambitions.Corny as hell except when delivered by James Earl Jones.
By reilo Go To PostMan when Vader popped up through the shadows and gave us the best representation of him in any Star Wars in roughly nothing more than 30 seconds pheeeeeeew.So many folks pissy at the line. Shit made me laugh too much
There were also some iconic and very much SW-esque quotes in this movie.
Try to not let yourself choke on your ambitions.
I also have to say: I love how they kept the late '70s aesthetics, especially for the Empire's hairstyles and computer graphics.
Still holding out hope that Disney will retcon the prequels.
Still holding out hope that Disney will retcon the prequels.
Obi-wan movie will be announced after ep. 8 and the next season of rebels is over.
We're totally going to get Obi-wan vs Maul again.
We're totally going to get Obi-wan vs Maul again.
By Ciaran Go To PostI don't remember much about the prequals but wasn't Revenge Of The Sith better than The Phantom Menace.Much better. Revenge was lit.
the one where they go underwater was really boring
edit:
OMG I'm in tears
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wx5BTKoXRRA
I don't remember Hayden being THAT bad ahahah
edit2: his voice…no no no I can't deal
By LionPride Go To PostSo many folks pissy at the line. Shit made me laugh too much
Man that shit was hilarious. How could that make ppl mad?
Natalie Portman is a fantastic actress and even she gave the fuck up lol
omg even McGregor is just like flatlining that dialog jfc
omg even McGregor is just like flatlining that dialog jfc
By reilo Go To PostNatalie Portman is a fantastic actress and even she gave the fuck up lolThe Prequels made Natalie Portman, Ewan McGregor, and Samuel L. Jackson look like boring actors
omg even McGregor is just like flatlining that dialog jfc
I'll still put Sith over Jedi tho...
By domino Go To PostMan that shit was hilarious. How could that make ppl mad?"It doesn't fit Vader's character" or some other dumb shit
Just saw the film again. Confirmation that the film is good and far from great, and all of that lies in its treatment of character.
The reason Obi Wan's death and Luke's reaction works so well is because you're invested in their characters and the performances; Hamill, while being relatively amateurish, is so earnest and warm that you pull for him (the same as him working alongside nothing but robots and puppets in ESB).
The reason Han's freezing in ESB hits so hard is because of Ford and Fisher's performances and the definition of the characters over the two films so far; without that, "I love you/I know" just doesn't work.
The reason moments like the end of TFA with Rey's force awakening, Han's death and Finn/Poe's bro hug is because the acting and characterisation is so vivid and well drawn out across the board. Ultimately familiar iconography and some plot rehashes/developments don't matter so much, because the film is in service of character, not plot. The reason the OT works is because we're invested in whether Luke defeats the Empire, not whether the Empire are simply defeated.
I think Rogue One - intentionally or not - favours plot over character, and is weaker for it. The best performances - Ahmed and Wen - are minimised in favour of plot, and even their deaths are in deference of plot; Bodhi goes out having just plugged something in, Baze shooting a few people (which is what he's been doing the entire film); there's no big defining moment that validates their existence in the film or makes you go "fuck yeah, that's why I want them to succeed". Because ultimately, you want them to succeed because you need them to for Luke, Han and Leia.
Even Jyn and Cassian's deaths feel out of sync with what would work for character over plot (I'm also not a fan of Jones' or Luna's performances; too little charisma individually and too little chemistry together); the two need to be wiped out so their absences in ANH are explained. The film's strongest moment - Vader's scene at the end, nailing what the character means to its audience in some particularly well done fan service - would have been even stronger if it was Cassian leading a last stand versus insurmountable odds, Jyn proclaiming the message means hope instead of Leia before going down. We know Vader can take out faceless goons with little to no effort; for Jyn and Cassian's sacrifices to work as well as intended, and to directly tie those sacrifices into ANH as well as intended, they needed to go out like heroes to the saga's villain, I reckon.
Rogue One skimps on character development by relying on the strength of pre-existing ones with too much faith; Tarkin is a good character who unfortunately undermines Krennic far too much for him to have any lasting impact (and unfortunately, Mendelsohn - one of current cinema's great actors - is served poorly as the film goes on, despite a wonderful opening scene where he displays the callousness the character should have been displaying throughout instead of looking wounded and barking at CGI creations). Similarly, Vader's first appearance exists for no reason other than to please the audience waiting in bated breath for his arrival.
Similar missteps are made throughout; for every small interesting character beat (Bodhi recoiling in fear at Saw's Vader-like breathing, Bor Gullet showing how far Saw has sunk into extremism, Cassian killing the informant), there's other, bigger issues that undermine previous choices; key amongst these are ones like Chirrut's faith in the force not leading to any real display of power, or Cassian returning from the dead to shoot Krennic instead of Jyn getting the satisfaction of doing so, or the aforementioned finale where Vader looks as cool as he ever has done, but without real stakes considering he's killing no one we care (or should be caring) about.
There are a few unrelated things that I'm not a fan of either: the two lead performances, Whittaker acting like he's in another movie entirely, a sense of incoherency and lack of confusion early on, the whole first act hinging on looking for Saw when he's out of the picture and forgotten about very quickly)... but there is enough in here that makes it a good film.
Good performances from Ahmed, Wen, Yen and Tudyk in particular, some really wonderful practical work and production design, a few iconic images (the Death Star obscuring the sun, Vader igniting his lightsaber, the AT-AT in the fog evoking that Godzilla shot Edwards included in his last film) and a score by Giacchino that is very good by itself; when you consider the context that he made that in a month, it's astounding. The action is good, the aesthetics excellent, and it is never a disaster like many many aspects of the prequels.
But it favours plot over character, and spreads itself far too thin to try and sketch out all of its characters. It's a hard job to do both in a film of this scale with its intended audience, I know; I always refer to 12 Angry Men when discussing incredible characterisation because every single one is so distinct and well rounded within the first half an hour, and that's achieved in some way because the plot is so simple.
But Star Wars managed it. It devoted 40 minutes to two robots pottering about the desert so we knew them innately and gave a fuck about them when it came to high stakes. Ultimately I just didn't really care about the characters, and I don't think the film does either. It just wants to get them out of the way so we can get to A New Hope.
Still good though. Apologies for the essay. Christmas break dictates I have nothing to do but write about Star Wars and eat Maltesers.
The reason Obi Wan's death and Luke's reaction works so well is because you're invested in their characters and the performances; Hamill, while being relatively amateurish, is so earnest and warm that you pull for him (the same as him working alongside nothing but robots and puppets in ESB).
The reason Han's freezing in ESB hits so hard is because of Ford and Fisher's performances and the definition of the characters over the two films so far; without that, "I love you/I know" just doesn't work.
The reason moments like the end of TFA with Rey's force awakening, Han's death and Finn/Poe's bro hug is because the acting and characterisation is so vivid and well drawn out across the board. Ultimately familiar iconography and some plot rehashes/developments don't matter so much, because the film is in service of character, not plot. The reason the OT works is because we're invested in whether Luke defeats the Empire, not whether the Empire are simply defeated.
I think Rogue One - intentionally or not - favours plot over character, and is weaker for it. The best performances - Ahmed and Wen - are minimised in favour of plot, and even their deaths are in deference of plot; Bodhi goes out having just plugged something in, Baze shooting a few people (which is what he's been doing the entire film); there's no big defining moment that validates their existence in the film or makes you go "fuck yeah, that's why I want them to succeed". Because ultimately, you want them to succeed because you need them to for Luke, Han and Leia.
Even Jyn and Cassian's deaths feel out of sync with what would work for character over plot (I'm also not a fan of Jones' or Luna's performances; too little charisma individually and too little chemistry together); the two need to be wiped out so their absences in ANH are explained. The film's strongest moment - Vader's scene at the end, nailing what the character means to its audience in some particularly well done fan service - would have been even stronger if it was Cassian leading a last stand versus insurmountable odds, Jyn proclaiming the message means hope instead of Leia before going down. We know Vader can take out faceless goons with little to no effort; for Jyn and Cassian's sacrifices to work as well as intended, and to directly tie those sacrifices into ANH as well as intended, they needed to go out like heroes to the saga's villain, I reckon.
Rogue One skimps on character development by relying on the strength of pre-existing ones with too much faith; Tarkin is a good character who unfortunately undermines Krennic far too much for him to have any lasting impact (and unfortunately, Mendelsohn - one of current cinema's great actors - is served poorly as the film goes on, despite a wonderful opening scene where he displays the callousness the character should have been displaying throughout instead of looking wounded and barking at CGI creations). Similarly, Vader's first appearance exists for no reason other than to please the audience waiting in bated breath for his arrival.
Similar missteps are made throughout; for every small interesting character beat (Bodhi recoiling in fear at Saw's Vader-like breathing, Bor Gullet showing how far Saw has sunk into extremism, Cassian killing the informant), there's other, bigger issues that undermine previous choices; key amongst these are ones like Chirrut's faith in the force not leading to any real display of power, or Cassian returning from the dead to shoot Krennic instead of Jyn getting the satisfaction of doing so, or the aforementioned finale where Vader looks as cool as he ever has done, but without real stakes considering he's killing no one we care (or should be caring) about.
There are a few unrelated things that I'm not a fan of either: the two lead performances, Whittaker acting like he's in another movie entirely, a sense of incoherency and lack of confusion early on, the whole first act hinging on looking for Saw when he's out of the picture and forgotten about very quickly)... but there is enough in here that makes it a good film.
Good performances from Ahmed, Wen, Yen and Tudyk in particular, some really wonderful practical work and production design, a few iconic images (the Death Star obscuring the sun, Vader igniting his lightsaber, the AT-AT in the fog evoking that Godzilla shot Edwards included in his last film) and a score by Giacchino that is very good by itself; when you consider the context that he made that in a month, it's astounding. The action is good, the aesthetics excellent, and it is never a disaster like many many aspects of the prequels.
But it favours plot over character, and spreads itself far too thin to try and sketch out all of its characters. It's a hard job to do both in a film of this scale with its intended audience, I know; I always refer to 12 Angry Men when discussing incredible characterisation because every single one is so distinct and well rounded within the first half an hour, and that's achieved in some way because the plot is so simple.
But Star Wars managed it. It devoted 40 minutes to two robots pottering about the desert so we knew them innately and gave a fuck about them when it came to high stakes. Ultimately I just didn't really care about the characters, and I don't think the film does either. It just wants to get them out of the way so we can get to A New Hope.
Still good though. Apologies for the essay. Christmas break dictates I have nothing to do but write about Star Wars and eat Maltesers.
don't want you to think its just you homie. the lines got blurry because of the whole vader thing anyways. im guilty as well
@n8 dogg: you don't consider Luna to be one of the lead performances? I do and I thought he was superb.
Whitaker was probably the biggest name attached but he was a supporting character. I enjoyed him being a bit over the top. His character was played as though he had *seen some shit*. And considering the lack of backstory I thought the expressiveness of his performance worked well.
Whitaker was probably the biggest name attached but he was a supporting character. I enjoyed him being a bit over the top. His character was played as though he had *seen some shit*. And considering the lack of backstory I thought the expressiveness of his performance worked well.
By KingGondo Go To Post@n8 dogg: you don't consider Luna to be one of the lead performances? I do and I thought he was superb.
Whitaker was probably the biggest name attached but he was a supporting character. I enjoyed him being a bit over the top. His character was played as though he had *seen some shit*. And considering the lack of backstory I thought the expressiveness of his performance worked well.
I thought his performance was a little directionless, although knowing Edwards' history that's probably his fault!
I just think he wasn't very charismatic or an arresting screen presence; they gave him a fair amount of moral murkiness and internal conflict, but I just don't think he and the script were really up to scratch. He was serviceable enough, just not particularly engaging.
I like n8's passion for SW
maybe that's why I liked Rogue One so much then because it was plot centric? But I did enjoy Luna and Mrs Jones. I suspect I'm biased for the latter though
I thought she aced quite a few emotionally charged scenes and looked genuinely badass in the final act
maybe that's why I liked Rogue One so much then because it was plot centric? But I did enjoy Luna and Mrs Jones. I suspect I'm biased for the latter though
I thought she aced quite a few emotionally charged scenes and looked genuinely badass in the final act
I thought she was good in the scenes with Mikkelsen, but that I think was genuine actor chemistry that elevates each other.
Gareth Edwards just cannot direct actors.
Gareth Edwards just cannot direct actors.
Jyn could have been written better for sure. I don't think she brings the film down, but there's definitely a missed opportunity with her character.
It probably wasn't necessary to make her this rogue criminal. Her story probably works better if she's a rebel from jump honestly. Her desire to do absolutely nothing, and having no real feelings towards the empire despite everything they took from her, results in us not being able to empathize with her at all. She loses two father figures and she's suddenly invested, but it feels unnatural.
It probably wasn't necessary to make her this rogue criminal. Her story probably works better if she's a rebel from jump honestly. Her desire to do absolutely nothing, and having no real feelings towards the empire despite everything they took from her, results in us not being able to empathize with her at all. She loses two father figures and she's suddenly invested, but it feels unnatural.
gonna watch it tonight with a friend,
thanks for the spoilers before the headline change, jerks.
remind me to not enter movie threads before I view a movie I intend on seeing.
thanks for the spoilers before the headline change, jerks.
remind me to not enter movie threads before I view a movie I intend on seeing.
By Dark PhaZe Go To PostJyn could have been written better for sure. I don't think she brings the film down, but there's definitely a missed opportunity with her character.SPOILERS AHEAD
It probably wasn't necessary to make her this rogue criminal. Her story probably works better if she's a rebel from jump honestly. Her desire to do absolutely nothing, and having no real feelings towards the empire despite everything they took from her, results in us not being able to empathize with her at all. She loses two father figures and she's suddenly invested, but it feels unnatural.
this is probably a case of head canon BUT
I liked how her MAIN motivation (and what turned her into a fully fledged rebel) was to redeem her father and not waste his 'life's work' so to speak. Like, she wanted him to be remembered as the guy who helped the rebellion take down the empire and not the guy who created a weapon that can wipe out planets
SPOILERS ABOVE
By DY_nasty Go To PostThat's basically what I do.Cartoon Grievous not getting translated to the big screen might be the biggest crime of the prequels outside of Jar Jar.
They did Grevious dirty too
Really enjoyed Rogue One. Kinda figured everyone was going to die going in, but it still had impact. Shoutout to Vader, K-2SO, and Donnie Yen.
By Dark PhaZe Go To Postanddddddd apparently carrie had a heart attackYeah sounded bad too...
2016 yall.
2016.
Saw it again. Was admittedly sloshed this go around but it still held up. Has me looking for the star wars trilogy blu rays
By Dark PhaZe Go To PostSaw it again. Was admittedly sloshed this go around but it still held up. Has me looking for the star wars trilogy blu raysMeh, don't bother, they're awful :/ Well, Empire is fine, but the other two, oh lord lol
Try and get the Despecialised versions of the OT if you can, they're very good.
By Apollo Go To PostThis thread title is really funny if you consider what happens to the Asian dudes.im glad someone appreciates me around here
By Freewheelin Go To PostMeh, don't bother, they're awful :/ Well, Empire is fine, but the other two, oh lord lolSpeaking of which, is Disney ever gonna release a Theatrical Cut on Blu-Ray of the original trilogy? That's what everyone really wants.
Try and get the Despecialised versions of the OT if you can, they're very good.
By reilo Go To PostSpeaking of which, is Disney ever gonna release a Theatrical Cut on Blu-Ray of the original trilogy? That's what everyone really wants.There are some issues there, I think, as Fox apparently still owns the distribution rights for A New Hope.
Gareth Edwards said he had just seen a 4K restoration of A New Hope but he didn't say if it was the original cut.