By Arkanius Go To PostTrue. I love my S8 and I have been using OLED screens since the S1 :)
Still not sure about the size. I'm going to stay away from the TV like 2.5 meters.
Another thing. If i get a soundbars should i get one with HDMI passhtrough like an AV receiver or just use ARC to pipe everything ?
Kibner would be the one for audio. I'm going to assume he'll say a receiver over your standard sound bar. Unless you're talking something really high end like a sony ht-st5000 which is a really high end sound bar, but also does HDMI HDR pass through. It's basically a mix of a receiver and sound bar but also REALLY expensive.
It really depends on the rest of your setup, imo. If this soundbar (and possibly included subwoofer) is the only speaker you have, then I wouldn't worry about it including passthrough. If you have a separate receiver that supports some technologies you like that the soundbar doesn't, then it may be a factor.
I'm talking about Soundbars despite not being particularly fond of them due to space constraints on my new home. I absolutely refuse to use the speakers from my new TV set, but it will be too much to get a proper AV receiver + 2.1/5.1 set. I rather go with a Soundbar + Subwoofer.
But yeah, I'll probably get one without passthrough and send everything through ARC. I'm going to lose 5.1 PCM though, then again, soundbars are only 2.1
Thanks guys!
But yeah, I'll probably get one without passthrough and send everything through ARC. I'm going to lose 5.1 PCM though, then again, soundbars are only 2.1
Thanks guys!
So I found a video that talks about nits as well as tone mapping, and how OLED (in this case Sony A1E) compares to that of what I'm assuming is a LED that can handle higher nit content, and how it effects scenes in movies. The discussion and scenes starts at the link (8:50)
I have a better understanding of what tone mapping is now and how it can effect the picture. I may be diving in too deep because the thought of looking into 2018 OLED to replace the 2016 is crossing my mind...
I have a better understanding of what tone mapping is now and how it can effect the picture. I may be diving in too deep because the thought of looking into 2018 OLED to replace the 2016 is crossing my mind...
Does anyone use BDI Furniture for their TV stands? Expensive, but I really like the look of them and the ventilation for everything seems like a huge gain.
By Rowsdower Go To PostDoes anyone use BDI Furniture for their TV stands? Expensive, but I really like the look of them and the ventilation for everything seems like a huge gain.
I don't but one of the Magnolia reps suggested I check them out yesterday. I'm looking for a stand to accommodate my 65''. Don't mind spending a bit either, so if they have some nice stuff, I'll def check them out.
Yep furnishing a Movie/game room is another aspect I have to look at in the next 3-4 months as well. Decisions...go with what the hell I want or consult the wife...yeah nah she can do the living room her way, gaming/movies is mine :) Pretty sure imma go wall mounts for TV/speakers built in and cutout shelves for hardware if I can spring for it.
By Smokey Go To PostI don't but one of the Magnolia reps suggested I check them out yesterday. I'm looking for a stand to accommodate my 65''. Don't mind spending a bit either, so if they have some nice stuff, I'll def check them out.They are extremely expensive, but very high quality. I'd check local listings like Craigslist also.
By Ozzy Onya A2Z Go To PostSo I've been on Samsung 46" LEDs for long enough, a new gaming room is on the cards with our new house rebuild ATM. Any recommendations for 55+inch 4K HDR setup? I'm looking at TV, 4K player and surround speakers to go in at the same time. New game room is 7m x 9.5m and I'll have my gaming PC and X1X in there to hook up. Not looking to break the bank for the new setup but I do want a great image and setup for mates coming over, I also do an annual LAN party so solid split screen or quad screen would be nice. Bit of a movie buff too so want something that caters for games and movies alike.I'm Aussie as well, and I got the 55" Sony X900E for my game/movie tv and I'm super fucken chuffed with it. It's not an OLED but it's easily the best looking LCD I've ever had. Fairly decent input lag specs too.
Not sure what it retails for now but I got mine for 2k aud, If you're savvy you could easily get it that price or lower
I wrote the OP a little over a year ago. If anyone feels there are parts I should update, let me know.
I know things have changed a little since then, what with actually having 4k and HDR movies now, so I may have to update some things, especially in regards to the "easy" calibration part.
I know things have changed a little since then, what with actually having 4k and HDR movies now, so I may have to update some things, especially in regards to the "easy" calibration part.
Really hoping for a Sony A1E successor at CES 2018 without the big bulge in the back. I want to wall-mount one of those, but the location where it's going would need the panel to be closer to the wall.
Still enjoying my 65" HX950 from a few years back on a daily basis in my primary setup. Native 1080p, FALD, and Sony's best industrial design is a pretty great combo. Until there is more native 4k content, I don't see a reason to get rid of this beauty.
Still enjoying my 65" HX950 from a few years back on a daily basis in my primary setup. Native 1080p, FALD, and Sony's best industrial design is a pretty great combo. Until there is more native 4k content, I don't see a reason to get rid of this beauty.
By Arkanius Go To PostSo, right now I don't know which set to choose for my new home: I have a 2K budget, and I can get the LG C7 55" for 1800 €, or, I can get the Sony X900E 65" for 1500€.
Basically, I wanted to go balls deep into OLED, but on the other thread of another forum, everyone said it would be better to go for the bigger size. Thing thism Rtings seems to be pretty sure the way to go is to get the C7 since it tracks better on everything as image quality, response time, etc… other than brightness.
The Sony 900e has amazing black levels, if that’s a concern. The only issue is that the backlight grid occasionally drops the ball when there’s a small bright object on a black screen, like a loading icon, sometimes the whole corner is noticeably brighter than the rest of the screen. But other then that, I seriously can’t tell when the screen is on or not cause the blacks are just perfect to my eyes, even in a dark room. Everything else is great. I really, really love this tv.
Personally I’m of the “bigger is better” mindset as well. OLED looks great and all, but Sony has managed to get so close to it on this lcd that the cost difference permitting a larger size makes it totally worth it IMO.
I bought the LG 49UH610V for 499 two months ago. It's 4K IPS and has some form of HDR (which i don't use). It's a good TV (image quality it's about on par with my LG 50pk550 plasma it replaces, except for the backlight that is not the same in the middle as around the borders). It's got a good Netflix app built in. It's 25kg lighter than the plasma though. My Switch games scale up nicely (which was also the case for the plasma before it). It's not perfect, but tough to beat for the price, i think.
TCL is the current best budget 4k HDR TV, AFAIK. Dy_Nasty here has one but I'm not sure who else does.
Just gonna repeat that rtings.com is a fantastic resource for in-depth TV reviews (and a good starting off point for calibration settings).
Just gonna repeat that rtings.com is a fantastic resource for in-depth TV reviews (and a good starting off point for calibration settings).
By Doctoglethorpe Go To PostThe Sony 900e has amazing black levels, if that’s a concern. The only issue is that the backlight grid occasionally drops the ball when there’s a small bright object on a black screen, like a loading icon, sometimes the whole corner is noticeably brighter than the rest of the screen. But other then that, I seriously can’t tell when the screen is on or not cause the blacks are just perfect to my eyes, even in a dark room. Everything else is great. I really, really love this tv.
Personally I’m of the “bigger is better” mindset as well. OLED looks great and all, but Sony has managed to get so close to it on this lcd that the cost difference permitting a larger size makes it totally worth it IMO.
Only Sony that gets close is the Z9D and it's just as expensive. They do make really solid TVs tho, I was going to get one before stumbling into my OLED.
By Kibner Go To PostTCL is the current best budget 4k HDR TV, AFAIK. Dy_Nasty here has one but I'm not sure who else does.Don't think they sell this brand in Europe (or at least not in my country).
Just gonna repeat that rtings.com is a fantastic resource for in-depth TV reviews (and a good starting off point for calibration settings).
By Doctoglethorpe Go To PostThe Sony 900e has amazing black levels, if that’s a concern. The only issue is that the backlight grid occasionally drops the ball when there’s a small bright object on a black screen, like a loading icon, sometimes the whole corner is noticeably brighter than the rest of the screen. But other then that, I seriously can’t tell when the screen is on or not cause the blacks are just perfect to my eyes, even in a dark room. Everything else is great. I really, really love this tv.
Personally I’m of the “bigger is better” mindset as well. OLED looks great and all, but Sony has managed to get so close to it on this lcd that the cost difference permitting a larger size makes it totally worth it IMO.
If the black levels are so great on the X900E, I heard they are even better on the X930E
But that would go outside my budget as well
By Nobility Go To PostCES is almost two months away.
HDMI 2.1 with VBR pls.
Are we feeling lucky for HDMI 2.1? I'm not expecting TVs with HDMI 2.1... yet
By Arkanius Go To PostAre we feeling lucky for HDMI 2.1? I'm not expecting TVs with HDMI 2.1… yetWith absolutely nothing to base it on, I would say the big three (Samsung/LG/Sony) will have at least one model each with HDMI 2.1 and we'll see a lot more by IFA but I would think the standard will be far common in 2019.
But I waited a whole damn year since it was announced so I better see something!
I found a fantastic local deal at the biggest portuguese retailer:
The LG 65" B7 for 3000€ + the LG SJ8 soundbar (priced 499€)
My budget was 2K for the TV, but I had to buy a soundsystem as well. This makes it very tempting and solves my size problem.
The LG 65" B7 for 3000€ + the LG SJ8 soundbar (priced 499€)
My budget was 2K for the TV, but I had to buy a soundsystem as well. This makes it very tempting and solves my size problem.
I'm probably buying a TV this winter (black Friday / Christmas) and I'm keeping it simple. I'm going with one of the recommendations from thewirecutter. (Not the LG OLED because that is to expensive for what I can afford).
https://thewirecutter.com/reviews/best-tv/
https://thewirecutter.com/reviews/best-tv/
By AliasGreed Go To PostI'm probably buying a TV this winter (black Friday / Christmas) and I'm keeping it simple. I'm going with one of the recommendations from thewirecutter. (Not the LG OLED because that is to expensive for what I can afford).Yeah, we have been talking about how good a value the TCL is in this thread. If you want a more thorough review of it, check out the http://www.rtings.com review of it.
https://thewirecutter.com/reviews/best-tv/
Hooked my PC up to my OLED for first time.
PQ was phew. 1060 was sweatin tho
Played BF1 in HDR for a few hours. Looked really good. Tried Cuphead to see if any games from Windows store provided fuckery. Nope. No issues. For Forza Horizon 3 DL'd, gonna try that next. Should be lighter on the 1060.
I expected HDR BS , but Windows but it was straight forward. Turn it on in Windows, and the TV automatically picked up the signal when starting a game. It's pretty when opening seeing a game at native 4k vs upscaled stuff from the PS4 Pro.
PQ was phew. 1060 was sweatin tho
Played BF1 in HDR for a few hours. Looked really good. Tried Cuphead to see if any games from Windows store provided fuckery. Nope. No issues. For Forza Horizon 3 DL'd, gonna try that next. Should be lighter on the 1060.
I expected HDR BS , but Windows but it was straight forward. Turn it on in Windows, and the TV automatically picked up the signal when starting a game. It's pretty when opening seeing a game at native 4k vs upscaled stuff from the PS4 Pro.
LG OLED roadmap info starting to roll out, only thing I'm able to get from the article is 80" and 8K OLED by 2019.
Tell me about HDMI 2.1 pls.
https://www.oled-info.com/lgd-oled-holds-25-premium-tv-market-share-europe-details-its-product-roadmap
French CNET source:
http://www.cnetfrance.fr/news/lg-display-devoile-sa-roadmap-les-premiers-ecrans-oled-8k-arriveront-en-2019-39859182.htm
Tell me about HDMI 2.1 pls.
https://www.oled-info.com/lgd-oled-holds-25-premium-tv-market-share-europe-details-its-product-roadmap
French CNET source:
http://www.cnetfrance.fr/news/lg-display-devoile-sa-roadmap-les-premiers-ecrans-oled-8k-arriveront-en-2019-39859182.htm
By Ozzy Onya A2Z Go To PostFuck 8K already, what content could drive this beast?If those other screens are to scale with it, it looks like it's a 100+ inch screen. :o
PiP for a 4K game and a 4K Blu-ray? LOL.
By the way guys. Ended up buying the LG B7 65inches.
There is an European promotion, they give me 400€ back on card or a SJ8 soundbar.
I'm probably getting those 400€ back to buy an AV receiver. I have found some old speakers at my dad home that I would love to restore to use (I have tested them and they sound great)
There is an European promotion, they give me 400€ back on card or a SJ8 soundbar.
I'm probably getting those 400€ back to buy an AV receiver. I have found some old speakers at my dad home that I would love to restore to use (I have tested them and they sound great)
Hrmm. I have $500 in Amazon gift money...
The Sony XBR65X850E is $1500.
The Sony XBR65X930E is $2500.
The LG OLED65C7P is $2800 (!).
What are the big differences between those two Sony TVs? Neither being OLED though... :\
EDIT: XBR65X900E also available for $1800. What does the 930 give that the 900 does not?
The Sony XBR65X850E is $1500.
The Sony XBR65X930E is $2500.
The LG OLED65C7P is $2800 (!).
What are the big differences between those two Sony TVs? Neither being OLED though... :\
EDIT: XBR65X900E also available for $1800. What does the 930 give that the 900 does not?
One of the major advantages of X900E is about its picture engine called new 4K HDR Processor X1 where inside, it is embedded the number of technologies such as Dynamic Contrast Enhancer, Super Bit Mapping 4K HDR, and Object-Based HDR Remaster technology.
Sony X930E offers more amazing picture quality and the number of additional features. In addition to HDR 10, it also already supports Dolby Vision and HLG. To produce amazing picture quality, X930E is powered by 4K HDR Processor X1 Extreme where this picture engine is first used on the flagship of 2016 model Z9D series.Dang. I see, the 930 has that much better of a processor, huh?
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Unlike X900E series where it uses Full Array Local Dimming technology as its backlight, Sony X930E series is powered by improved Edge-Lit Backlight with local dimming technologies called Slim Backlight Drive Plus.
On one hand I'd love to upgrade my 65" Plasma to something in a comparable screen size that's 4k, but I can wait a bit longer. It really depends on the Black Friday/Thanksgiving deals. If I don't feel like I'm getting a good deal, I keep waiting. The plasma is 8 years old, come December and is still solid.
By reilo Go To PostSmokey, get in here. Help me look out for a Black Friday OLED 4K 65".
Do you have a credit card that you can use to purchase the TV? Chase for example has price protection up to $500 I believe. You buy the TV and then you find a shaky site that is offering the TV for a real low price . Your CC company will price match to a max of $500, at least for Chase. If you find a TV for $2200, do the above, and get $500 back , there's your TV for $1700.
I'm kind of beholden to Amazon due to the $500 gift card I have. Maybe I can just use that to buy a PS4 Pro and get the TV elsewhere.
But either way, more important question is: which TV?
But either way, more important question is: which TV?
By reilo Go To PostI'm kind of beholden to Amazon due to the $500 gift card I have. Maybe I can just use that to buy a PS4 Pro and get the TV elsewhere.
But either way, more important question is: which TV?
Trade in your PS4 to Amazon, and use all that credit to load up on a Pro, do the price match above, and get a 65'' TV for well under 2K.
Really, the only advantage LCD has over OLED is brightness, really. But I can tell you there are a lot of windows in my area, and the B6 has never been an issue for me watching in the daytime.
I’m thinking of putting my current TV and PS4 in my bedroom. In theory I could sell both for a few hundred bucks... I’ll check trade in values.
Also is there more to your post? Feels like you were about to compare the B7 and X930e buyback hit submit too soon.
Also is there more to your post? Feels like you were about to compare the B7 and X930e buyback hit submit too soon.
By reilo Go To PostI’m thinking of putting my current TV and PS4 in my bedroom. In theory I could sell both for a few hundred bucks… I’ll check trade in values.
Also is there more to your post? Feels like you were about to compare the B7 and X930e buyback hit submit too soon.
Yeah
So lets take the Sony x930e and LG B7 for comparison.
From rtings -
The Sony X930E 4k LED TV is a very bright HDR TV with great picture quality. It can't match the OLED B7 in a dark room and it doesn't have the same wide viewing angle, but it can get significantly brighter. If you want the brightest TV in this price range or if you have issues with the temporary image retention of the B7, it is the best alternative for most usages. Otherwise, most people should buy the B7.
Image retention is a thing in some situations. For me, I haven't experienced it, and mine gets used all day by my wife and son, and by me from games. But I guess it can happen. It's not a big deal, and there's tools built into the TV to get rid of it. Burn in is completely different issue and you'd have to really try and abuse the TV to get it to that point.
The LG B7a 65" is $100 more than the X930e?
Also, the room my TV is in currently has loft-style windows where I can't cover 70% of the windows, so it gets very bright during the day and is an issue with my current setup.
Also, the room my TV is in currently has loft-style windows where I can't cover 70% of the windows, so it gets very bright during the day and is an issue with my current setup.
In that case, I'd say go with the x930e. Brightness is one of its strengths, and if you have a ton of light, it would probably be better for you.
It's not like it's a shit TV, we're talking about two of the highest end TVs out.
I'll be on the lookout for prices.
It's not like it's a shit TV, we're talking about two of the highest end TVs out.
I'll be on the lookout for prices.
After some more RTtings readings, I'm actually leaning towards the LG B7. The gaming input lag is far better than the Sony X930E, which is surprisingly mediocre especially for a Sony set.
The peak brightness on the B7 is already a significant amount better than my current W630B anyhow, so I think it'll be an overall improvement and that's before even consuming HDR content where that advantage quadruples. I think I'll be just fine for daytime watching. The LG has better black uniformity and local dimming on top of the X930e, too.
The only worry is the image retention but I wonder if firmware can fix that? It also has a setting that'll get rid of it. Either way, the OLED advantages outnumber the LED advantages besides screen brightness.
The peak brightness on the B7 is already a significant amount better than my current W630B anyhow, so I think it'll be an overall improvement and that's before even consuming HDR content where that advantage quadruples. I think I'll be just fine for daytime watching. The LG has better black uniformity and local dimming on top of the X930e, too.
The only worry is the image retention but I wonder if firmware can fix that? It also has a setting that'll get rid of it. Either way, the OLED advantages outnumber the LED advantages besides screen brightness.
Pretty much everything about OLED is better than LCD save for brightness and that's because the type of OLED that LG produces, but it's also the only type that allowed OLED to penetrate the market like it has.
The 2017 models are 20% brighter than mine, and I have had no issues with brightness, and my wife hasn't complained either. That's without running the OLED light at max either.
The 2017 models are 20% brighter than mine, and I have had no issues with brightness, and my wife hasn't complained either. That's without running the OLED light at max either.
Okay cool good to know, and the conclusion that I came to. I think it’ll be fine and I don’t consume too much content during the day anyhow.
I sat at the computer with my mouse over the “Add to Cart” button for an hour earlier lmao
Might still pull the trigger. Will see.
I sat at the computer with my mouse over the “Add to Cart” button for an hour earlier lmao
Might still pull the trigger. Will see.
If you going OLED, I'd wait 2 months at this point, and see what LG and others have for 2018, tbh. Unless you got a deal you couldn't pass up like I did . IMO OLED is tech that will improve every year vs LCD save for the top end sets. There's only so much you can do with edge lit panels, which the majority of them are.
By reilo Go To PostThe only worry is the image retention but I wonder if firmware can fix that? It also has a setting that'll get rid of it. Either way, the OLED advantages outnumber the LED advantages besides screen brightness.Isn't image retention only an issue if you leave a static image up (like a game HUD) for like 12 hours at a time?
By Kibner Go To PostIsn't image retention only an issue if you leave a static image up (like a game HUD) for like 12 hours at a time?
Pretty much.
About to order the TCL. My sister wanted to replace our old tv downstairs so I convinced her to go above her $500 limit for the P series TCL if I helped pay for it. I just have to pay anything over $500 so I'm paying like $100 + tax and recycling fee. Guess that means I'm eventually going to get a X1X or a PS4 Pro to really make use of it and as of now I'm heavily leaning towards a X1X when before it came out I was dead set on a PS4 Pro for the exclusives.
By Nelo Ice Go To PostAbout to order the TCL. My sister wanted to replace our old tv downstairs so I convinced her to go above her $500 limit for the P series TCL if I helped pay for it. I just have to pay anything over $500 so I'm paying like $100 + tax and recycling fee. Guess that means I'm eventually going to get a X1X or a PS4 Pro to really make use of it and as of now I'm heavily leaning towards a X1X when before it came out I was dead set on a PS4 Pro for the exclusives.
One X doubles as a UHD player too. Go head and make that purchase Nelo
Or just buy a PS4 pro and a Sony UBP X800 (I think)
Bestbuy has em on sale for $150 right now. Basically spending the same as you would on an X1X but you’re not paying a premium for high res Fallout 3
Bestbuy has em on sale for $150 right now. Basically spending the same as you would on an X1X but you’re not paying a premium for high res Fallout 3
I don’t understand why you’d go for a X1X if you really want to play the PS4 exclusives. Just wait til the X1X drops in price in 18 months.
Well tbf nearly everyone I know switched to the PS4 this gen. So if I wanted to play with some friends that would be my console. But aside from that and exclusives I'm not sure if I can resist the power. Reading about how it drastically improves almost everything got me all hyped and since it doesn't look like I'll be building a PC anytime soon, the One X seems like the console to buy for anything 3rd party. Of course main reason I want a PS4 eventually is for Horizon and Spider Man. Not going to be buying anytime soon of course since I still gotta build up trade credit.