Fake News. Nelo, by all accounts the One X, is nice.
And if you'd like to play best versions of 3rd party games, it's there. And it seems like there's way more HDR support on One X for games, and HDR imo, arguably has more impact on the picture than 4k.
And if you'd like to play best versions of 3rd party games, it's there. And it seems like there's way more HDR support on One X for games, and HDR imo, arguably has more impact on the picture than 4k.
Digital Foundry just put a video out discussing the best HDR TVs for One X and Pro. Haven't watched it yet, but could be a good video for reilo and co:
Just watched it, and they recommend the LG B7 as their pick among OLED TVs in the mid-range. And they said that the LG B6 HDR is on another level as well.
The guy on the left says he owns a B6 and he finds the B7 to be "a sizable leap" over his B6.
The guy on the left says he owns a B6 and he finds the B7 to be "a sizable leap" over his B6.
All the mid-range sets were LEDs. The B7 was part of their high-end. They had another tier above that, too.
By Kibner Go To PostAll the mid-range sets were LEDs. The B7 was part of their high-end. They had another tier above that, too.
What did they have in the highest end then?
By Smokey Go To PostWhat did they have in the highest end then?I don't remember. It was an LG, a Panasonic, and a Sony.
Sony A1E, Panasonic exclusive to Europe, LG B7.
They also talked about the Sony Z9D as the highest of tiers.
They also talked about the Sony Z9D as the highest of tiers.
By reilo Go To PostSony A1E, Panasonic exclusive to Europe, LG B7.Oh, my bad I was wrong. I think they said Z9D was the highest for LCDs but not sure that includes OLEDs? They didn't present their information very clearly as shown by our collective misunderstanding. =\
They also talked about the Sony Z9D as the highest of tiers.
Got around to watching that Digital Foundry and they nailed it talking about the SDR content on an OLED screen. Like they said since all 8 million pixels on an OLED screen are able to effectively turn off and achieve absolute black, even non HDR content tends to "pop". I noticed this when I was at a friends house who has a One X and the TCL 55'' TV and when I take a look at some of the higher end LCDs in store. 4K still looks sharp of course, but it doesn't deliver that jump off the screen type quality that OLED gives you, it just looks brighter if that makes sense.
The also only had one "highest end" if no money was no object set, and it was the Sony Z9D. Brightest HDR panel on the market at about 1800 nits :o, but they placed the OLEDs above the Sony xe90 and Samsung Q7, which they referred to as mid-tier.
The also only had one "highest end" if no money was no object set, and it was the Sony Z9D. Brightest HDR panel on the market at about 1800 nits :o, but they placed the OLEDs above the Sony xe90 and Samsung Q7, which they referred to as mid-tier.
I’m using a 65” KS8000 as my main right now until I make the OLED leap. I've been spoiled by 10+ years of Panasonic Plasmas, last being a VT60.
Really curious to see what next year’s OLEDs look like and if the HDMI 2.1 standard is released.
Really curious to see what next year’s OLEDs look like and if the HDMI 2.1 standard is released.
Started watching Stranger Things S1 yesterday. The OLED black level in combination with the shows style
That shit would've been straight up grey looking on my last TV.
That shit would've been straight up grey looking on my last TV.
I'm still happy with my ks8000 but I am starting to eye some oled now. Will wait a few more years until there aren't such huge leaps year-to-year in performance and price.
From the LG Roadmap that was posted, I think 2019 is when they are fully using their new manufacturing plant hence the variation in sizes (from 40"+ to 80"). Might be when I look to upgrade .
Them 77" OLEDs are $15,000
E: Best Buy has it on "sale" for $10,000 atm.
Them 77" OLEDs are $15,000
E: Best Buy has it on "sale" for $10,000 atm.
55" might honestly be a little big for my room. I know 65" definitely would be. My couch is roughly 6' from the TV.
By h3ro Go To PostI think the next step has to be 70+”, Smokey.
Boi u see them prices
Reilo - I know you have an Amazon card, but price protection using a CC like I mentioned before, you can get a 65'' OLED for $1619.
Cleveland AV has been used a lot by one of the guys on Era. He says the 65C7P is $1999 there. Price match with this site https://www.joesav.com/LG-LED-HDTV-p/OLED65C7P.htm?gclid=CjwKCAiAoqXQBRA8EiwAIIOWsv91kds_eetVMn9v40Ru7lcbxMlTESJC0Iu9Fg8HfAu4cje_jpM8YBoCQtcQAvD_BwE , and you'll end up getting the TV for $1619 delivered and no tax.
Cleveland AV has been used a lot by one of the guys on Era. He says the 65C7P is $1999 there. Price match with this site https://www.joesav.com/LG-LED-HDTV-p/OLED65C7P.htm?gclid=CjwKCAiAoqXQBRA8EiwAIIOWsv91kds_eetVMn9v40Ru7lcbxMlTESJC0Iu9Fg8HfAu4cje_jpM8YBoCQtcQAvD_BwE , and you'll end up getting the TV for $1619 delivered and no tax.
Wait Wait, where'd you buy it from?
Not from that site in the link right? Because that's a shady site, you simply show that site as having a lower price and the CC company should price protect, but DO NOT buy it from there. You buy it from a reputable place (like Cleveland AV that i mentioned), and then you submit a claim to your CC company that the site I linked to has it for lower. They'll price protect up to $500 in most cases, and you should end up getting it for the same price as the shady site, but WITHOUT actually BUYING it from the shady site.
Pls reilo, you didn't do that, right?
Not from that site in the link right? Because that's a shady site, you simply show that site as having a lower price and the CC company should price protect, but DO NOT buy it from there. You buy it from a reputable place (like Cleveland AV that i mentioned), and then you submit a claim to your CC company that the site I linked to has it for lower. They'll price protect up to $500 in most cases, and you should end up getting it for the same price as the shady site, but WITHOUT actually BUYING it from the shady site.
Pls reilo, you didn't do that, right?
Ugh, seriously? Dammit. It hasn't been confirmed yet. I'll cancel. Grr. I totally misread the intention of your post :\
Sony asks LGD to double its OLED TV panel supply following high demand for Sony's OLED TVs
https://www.oled-info.com/sony-asks-lgd-double-oled-tv-panel-supply-following-high-demand-sonys-oled-tvs
This is GREAT news. I had heard it myself from Magnolia reps that the Sonys were selling extremely well, but this is good because now we'll get the outside players (Sony and Panasonic) more invested in OLED, which will eventually, hopefully, speed up the advancement of the tech in the consumer market.
https://www.oled-info.com/sony-asks-lgd-double-oled-tv-panel-supply-following-high-demand-sonys-oled-tvs
According to Business Korea, Sony is enjoying "explosive" demand for its OLED TVs since the beginning of Q2 2017, and the Japanese TV maker has reached out to LGD asking to double OLED TV shipments...
...Sony will receive a total of 300,000 OLED TV panels from LGD in 2017, and it aims to order more than 600,000 panels per year starting in 2019 (once LGD can increase its OLED TV capacity). The Korean report suggested that Sony may assist LGD with an investment to secure the capacity...
...The extra panels for Sony starting in 2019 will come from LGD's upcoming Guangzhou factory directly which will ship the panels directly to Sony's Shanghai TV factory
This is GREAT news. I had heard it myself from Magnolia reps that the Sonys were selling extremely well, but this is good because now we'll get the outside players (Sony and Panasonic) more invested in OLED, which will eventually, hopefully, speed up the advancement of the tech in the consumer market.
By Kibner Go To PostI'm still happy with my ks8000 but I am starting to eye some oled now. Will wait a few more years until there aren't such huge leaps year-to-year in performance and price.
My fear is that by the time I'm ready to upgrade to an OLED 8k will be around the corner. I could see myself looking to upgrade around 2020.
By Dark PhaZe Go To PostMy fear is that by the time I'm ready to upgrade to an OLED 8k will be around the corner. I could see myself looking to upgrade around 2020.Yeah, I'm in no rush. I don't even know if I would be able to tell the difference between 4k and 8k at my size and distance, though.
8k coming in 2020 per LG Roadmap
We still got cats broadcasting in 720p...I don't think 8k content will even be prevalent until like 2025 at earliest.
We still got cats broadcasting in 720p...I don't think 8k content will even be prevalent until like 2025 at earliest.
By Smokey Go To Post8k coming in 2020 per LG RoadmapI don't see an upgrade from 720p coming for a long time due to how backwards data infrastructure is in this country.
We still got cats broadcasting in 720p…I don't think 8k content will even be prevalent until like 2025 at earliest.
You can try. I dunno if they'll honor that $1600 price from that place, but the few times I've tried with Amazon, it worked.
Got my TCL and upgraded my Netflix plan to 4K. Started S2 of Stranger Things and its glorious. I really need a PS4 Pro or X1X to really test this thing out.
By Smokey Go To Post8k coming in 2020 per LG Roadmap
We still got cats broadcasting in 720p…I don't think 8k content will even be prevalent until like 2025 at earliest.
it will be prevalent on my gtx titan ascendant and heavenlake 5.5 gb processor
By Kibner Go To PostYeah, I'm in no rush. I don't even know if I would be able to tell the difference between 4k and 8k at my size and distance, though.
this is never a thing
you will see the pixels
4k will be fine for awhile. Proper 4k content (i.e ultra HD blurays) is top level stuff. I'd rather companies now focus on HDR , scaling, and other items besides resolution.
By Smokey Go To PostWelcome.I have my discs ready to roll once MS pushes out this damn elevated black level update.
Now find away to watch Planet Earth II UHD.
Also, just saw that Costco is now carrying the Apple TV4K. Might be time to pick one up as my main streaming hub because that Costco lifetime warranty is worth it's weight in gold.
HDMI 2.1 SPECS RELEASED
https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2017/11/hdmi-2-1-spec-released-ushering-in-new-era-of-dynamic-hdr-video/
Even with the spec complete, it's going to be a while before we actually see HDMI 2.1 hardware on the market. Over the next nine months, the HDMI Forum will release compliance tests, and only then would we expect to see it become available in shipping products.
2019 it is then for the upgrade. That's when LG will also complete it's new manufacturing factory and variance in OLED panel sizes. Which means prices should really drop.
LG Display is investing 1.8 trillion billion (US$1.6 billion) in the Guangzhou OLED factory which is a production base for an increment in demand from global TV makers. The factory is expected to produce 60,000 OLED panels per month on a mother glass basis. With the capacities of E3 Factory (8,000 sheets), Factory E4-1 (26,000 sheets), Factory E4-2 to be completed at the end of 2017 (26,000 sheets), LG Display will have a total production capacity of 120,000 units per month starting from 2019.
#2019
This latest HDMI Specification supports a range of higher video resolutions and refresh rates including 8K60 and 4K120, and resolutions up to 10K. Dynamic HDR formats are also supported, and bandwidth capability is increased up to 48Gbps. Supporting the 48Gbps bandwidth is the new Ultra High Speed HDMI Cable. The cable ensures highbandwidth dependent features are delivered including uncompressed 8K video with HDR.
Higher video resolutions support a range of high resolutions and faster refresh rates including 8K60Hz and 4K120Hz for immersive viewing and smooth fast-action detail. Resolutions up to 10K are also supported for commercial AV, and industrial and specialty usages.
Dynamic HDR support ensures every moment of a video is displayed at its ideal values for depth, detail, brightness, contrast and wider color gamuts—on a scene-by-scene or even a frame-byframe basis.
The Ultra High Speed HDMI Cable supports the 48G bandwidth for uncompressed HDMI 2.1 feature support. The cable also features very low EMI emission and is backwards compatible with earlier versions of the HDMI Specification and can be used with existing HDMI devices.
eARC simplifies connectivity, provides greater ease of use, and supports the most advanced audio formats and highest audio quality. It ensures full compatibility between audio devices and upcoming HDMI 2.1 products.
Enhanced refresh rate features ensure an added level of smooth and seamless motion and transitions for gaming, movies and video. They include:
Variable Refresh Rate (VRR) reduces or eliminates lag, stutter and frame tearing for more fluid and better detailed gameplay.
Quick Media Switching (QMS) for movies and video eliminates the delay that can result in blank screens before content is displayed.
Quick Frame Transport (QFT) reduces latency for smoother no-lag gaming, and real-time interactive virtual reality.
Auto Low Latency Mode (ALLM) allows the ideal latency setting to automatically be set allowing
for smooth, lag-free and uninterrupted viewing and interactivity.
https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2017/11/hdmi-2-1-spec-released-ushering-in-new-era-of-dynamic-hdr-video/
Even with the spec complete, it's going to be a while before we actually see HDMI 2.1 hardware on the market. Over the next nine months, the HDMI Forum will release compliance tests, and only then would we expect to see it become available in shipping products.
2019 it is then for the upgrade. That's when LG will also complete it's new manufacturing factory and variance in OLED panel sizes. Which means prices should really drop.
LG Display is investing 1.8 trillion billion (US$1.6 billion) in the Guangzhou OLED factory which is a production base for an increment in demand from global TV makers. The factory is expected to produce 60,000 OLED panels per month on a mother glass basis. With the capacities of E3 Factory (8,000 sheets), Factory E4-1 (26,000 sheets), Factory E4-2 to be completed at the end of 2017 (26,000 sheets), LG Display will have a total production capacity of 120,000 units per month starting from 2019.
#2019
By Dark PhaZe Go To PostSo can hdmi 2.1 work with a software update or are we all upgradingIt looks like the type of upgrade that will require hardware changes, but I'm wondering the same thing.
I'm pretty sure you'll need new hardware. Being able to support up to 8k and all the other really high bandwidth stuff it's doing, Variable Refresh Rates, etc, i don't think will be "unlocked" with a software update on HDMI 2.0.
Not sure if OLED's have anything similar, but the one connect box might present an easy hardware upgrade at minimal cost for the KS line
8K is going to look dope on our 77" OLEDs right Smokes?!
I have a 65" KS8000 coming from a 55" VT60 Panasonic Plasma. Just can't get used to the black levels.
Can't wait for the larger OLEDs to be more commonplace so I can demote the KS. It's fine for a stopgap until the tech gets better but I'm not sure changing the HDMI spec will help overall image quality enough.
By Dark PhaZe Go To PostNot sure if OLED's have anything similar, but the one connect box might present an easy hardware upgrade at minimal cost for the KS line
I have a 65" KS8000 coming from a 55" VT60 Panasonic Plasma. Just can't get used to the black levels.
Can't wait for the larger OLEDs to be more commonplace so I can demote the KS. It's fine for a stopgap until the tech gets better but I'm not sure changing the HDMI spec will help overall image quality enough.
Are the OLED's up to snuff in terms of brightness yet? I have no issues with the KS8000 black levels, but you need strong contrast for HDR to really pop. From my knowledge, OLED's have been lacking on the brightness levels, while LED's have been lacking in black levels.