I was stoked because I thought my TV just went out this last weekend. My wife was mortified because she thought I was going to start TV shopping. I thought of this thread and smokey. It turned out it was just the cable box. :(
By Fenderputty Go To PostI was stoked because I thought my TV just went out this last weekend. My wife was mortified because she thought I was going to start TV shopping. I thought of this thread and smokey. It turned out it was just the cable box. :(
lmao
dat Slim Backlight Drive+
but
goddamn it, edge lit ...although it's more of a hybrid solution here. Goes into detail about the processing and declares it a beast.
Sony OLED review
Dat Sony processing
https://www.forbes.com/sites/johnarc.../#6f73fd328da7
The 55A1E’s processing also delivers superior motion handling to not just LG’s OLED TVs but actually any other TVs period. The ability of its various motion settings - especially True Cinema and Standard - to reduce judder without causing significant unwanted side effects or making the image look unnaturally fluid is almost uncanny.
It’s not just your impression of motion across the screen and during camera pans that benefits from this motion performance either; the enhanced motion clarity and fluidity also means the beautiful crispness associated with native 4K screens remains intact even during the most action-packed sequences.
LG has delivered palpable color improvements with its latest OLED TVs, yet in most ways colors are handled better still by the 55A1E. Sony’s Triluminos processing system continues to take some beating, combining gorgeously rich saturations with some exceptionally deft color tone handling.
The 55A1E also improves on LG’s OLED TVs when it comes to handling HD-resolution images. As noted earlier, Sony’s X1 Extreme chipset applies two separate databases to its upscaling process, and the result is simply the most detailed, stable, richly colored but also noiseless upscaled HD pictures I’ve seen on an OLED TV. In fact, I’d even say they look better than those of the Z9D sets, perhaps because OLED’s characteristics are more naturally suited to the standard dynamic range luminance ranges associated with HD sources.
Dat Sony processing
https://www.forbes.com/sites/johnarc.../#6f73fd328da7
Isn't Sony going to be using LG OLED displays an then putting their processors in them? I remember hearing this might be a year or so back. Or are they just trying to outdo OLED altogether?
By reilo Go To PostThat's exactly it Fender. Same panel, different processing unit.
Cool. I remember reading that Samsung didn't want to use LG OLED panels because they're both Korean and are competitive. I remember LG had a patent on tech that lets them produce the panels and nobody else could. I remember Sony wanting to use LG panels and then tick their processors in them. Upon reading this I decided to wait for several years for Sony to start pumping out their own shit. Glad it's finally happening. Maybe in a year or so I will get another TV. Might wait to sell my house and move though. Still good to hear.
By reilo Go To PostI know the Sony TVs are expensive but do you really need to sell your house to afford one?
hahah almost!
It's an easier sell to my wife though. "We just bought this new house and our TV isn't big enough for the front room. Lets spend some of the extra money we kept for improvements on a TV!!!!!" lol
HDR10+ cometh, boees. Commiserations to those who recently acquired a UHD blu-ray player and a not-upgradable HDR10 TV.
By Dark PhaZe Go To PostRolling my eyes at that comparison picturePretty much. I'm speaking out my ass here, but I would not be surprised if edge-lit vs FALD makes a bigger difference.
By Kidjr Go To Postwhat is HDR 10+The fifth HDR standard: http://www.theverge.com/circuitbreaker/2017/4/20/15369234/samsung-amazon-video-hdr-standard-hdr10-plus-dolby-vision-metadata
Relevant bits:
[...]
The companies are describing it as updated version of the HDR10 standard, with the major addition being “Dynamic Tone Mapping.” What that actually means is that the metadata attached to a video is dynamic based on individual scenes, allowing the brightness levels to shift depending on whether the particular scene is brightly lit or dark. That’s a change from HDR10, which mastered video content as a single unit with static data — meaning that if a movie was mostly dark with just a few brighter scenes, for example, then those scenes would have previously been oversaturated relative to the rest of the film.
[...]
Fortunately, you probably won’t need to buy a new TV to take advantage of HDR10+ — the new standard is already supported on all of Samsung’s 2017 UHD sets, and will be rolling out to the company’s 2016 line via a firmware update later this year, meaning that other companies looking to support it should (in theory) be able to add it fairly easily. In terms of content, Amazon Video is set to support HDR10+ later this year, but its the only major company signed on so far.
[...]
Stopped in BB....
Just got the A1e in...
My God
Chopped it up with the Sony rep for like 25 minutes. Going back and forth between the Z9D and the A1E. He was actually making the case for the Z9 as the better overall tv and I gotta admit..That mf may be the best looking LCD ever. The blacks weren't THAT far off from the A1e, but the bright content he showed...You could see the difference.
Saw Horizon on that A1e and almost fell out
It's basically 6 racks after tax for both of them
Just got the A1e in...
My God
Chopped it up with the Sony rep for like 25 minutes. Going back and forth between the Z9D and the A1E. He was actually making the case for the Z9 as the better overall tv and I gotta admit..That mf may be the best looking LCD ever. The blacks weren't THAT far off from the A1e, but the bright content he showed...You could see the difference.
Saw Horizon on that A1e and almost fell out
It's basically 6 racks after tax for both of them
By reilo Go To PostBuy the fucking tv, Smokey
$6,000
the people DEVELOPING the content we're watching aren't putting in the work that would justify that kind of purchase
this isn't really the time for a super high end buy imo, a mid tier OLED is just fine for where we're at right now
this isn't really the time for a super high end buy imo, a mid tier OLED is just fine for where we're at right now
By Dark PhaZe Go To Postthe people DEVELOPING the content we're watching aren't putting in the work that would justify that kind of purchase
this isn't really the time for a super high end buy imo, a mid tier OLED is just fine for where we're at right now
ayy
Also there's not such thing as a mid tier oled. Don't let that Sony price fool you . 65" C7 is still $4,500. After tax it's $4,800.
I meant to post while on the train back earlier this week, but I did the Sony Best Buy booth thing too.
The Z9D and A1E were both running this demo side by side mounted on the wall (I wanted to see the A1Es kickstand but oh well):
When yo's hand comes into paint the sushi with soy sauce it looks like someone is reaching into the top right of the screen. It's really, really impressive - on both sets.
They're both the exact same price ($5,500) right now and pitched as Sony's flagships even though the OLED just started shipping.
The LED Z9D is from their 2016 line, and will be discontinued soon, is actually stuffed with all of their latest technology. So back-lit triluminos display (all of their LCDs released in the last year are); X1 chip supporting their xtended dynamic range tech giving it comparable viewing angles to even the OLED which for some reason doesn't have XDR tech, but does support both HDR10 and Dolby Vison HDR (they offer three sets that do this now: A1E, 930E, 940E).
Both these tvs are incredible and I would struggle to tell the difference between the two. You could probably separate them at home once calibrated (none of the Sony's demoed are tampered with outside of setting the picture to vivid rep said) in your own home setting.
I was actually really impressed with the X850D. They had the 55" on display, and at $1,100 ($1,400 for the 65") it seems like the best balance between value and specs. It's also really nice on its own. Rep said it was the best selling model in 2016 across all brands in its class and a big reason why Sony is stepping up their brand push this year on more floors.
One thing was very clear to me after spending some time looking at all three brands: that X1 chip is no bullshit. Maybe I'm bias because I was in there to see the A1E in person, but none of the demos at Samsung or LG looked as good as what Sony was showing. Perhaps that pitch about the content being filmed on Sony cameras or whatever does matter - I don't know. All I do know is that Samsung sets were all lack luster in comparison and the build quality of their bezels was far behind what LG and Sony are doing. It's not even close there.
They didn't have the new LG wallpaper OLED in yet but that's supposedly just as good as their standard OLEDs just really thin - and $8k.
I'm still on team wait but that X850D seems to be the one that could be a hold over until some of this OLED stuff comes together. You know before the years over the prices are going to drop and the new joints with HDMI 2.1 are going to be announced. But boys and toys and all that...
Seriously though, Sony and LG are doing good things.
The Z9D and A1E were both running this demo side by side mounted on the wall (I wanted to see the A1Es kickstand but oh well):
When yo's hand comes into paint the sushi with soy sauce it looks like someone is reaching into the top right of the screen. It's really, really impressive - on both sets.
They're both the exact same price ($5,500) right now and pitched as Sony's flagships even though the OLED just started shipping.
The LED Z9D is from their 2016 line, and will be discontinued soon, is actually stuffed with all of their latest technology. So back-lit triluminos display (all of their LCDs released in the last year are); X1 chip supporting their xtended dynamic range tech giving it comparable viewing angles to even the OLED which for some reason doesn't have XDR tech, but does support both HDR10 and Dolby Vison HDR (they offer three sets that do this now: A1E, 930E, 940E).
Both these tvs are incredible and I would struggle to tell the difference between the two. You could probably separate them at home once calibrated (none of the Sony's demoed are tampered with outside of setting the picture to vivid rep said) in your own home setting.
I was actually really impressed with the X850D. They had the 55" on display, and at $1,100 ($1,400 for the 65") it seems like the best balance between value and specs. It's also really nice on its own. Rep said it was the best selling model in 2016 across all brands in its class and a big reason why Sony is stepping up their brand push this year on more floors.
One thing was very clear to me after spending some time looking at all three brands: that X1 chip is no bullshit. Maybe I'm bias because I was in there to see the A1E in person, but none of the demos at Samsung or LG looked as good as what Sony was showing. Perhaps that pitch about the content being filmed on Sony cameras or whatever does matter - I don't know. All I do know is that Samsung sets were all lack luster in comparison and the build quality of their bezels was far behind what LG and Sony are doing. It's not even close there.
They didn't have the new LG wallpaper OLED in yet but that's supposedly just as good as their standard OLEDs just really thin - and $8k.
I'm still on team wait but that X850D seems to be the one that could be a hold over until some of this OLED stuff comes together. You know before the years over the prices are going to drop and the new joints with HDMI 2.1 are going to be announced. But boys and toys and all that...
Seriously though, Sony and LG are doing good things.
By GQman2121 Go To PostI meant to post while on the train back earlier this week, but I did the Sony Best Buy booth thing too.
The Z9D and A1E were both running this demo side by side mounted on the wall (I wanted to see the A1Es kickstand but oh well):
When yo's hand comes into paint the sushi with soy sauce it looks like someone is reaching into the top right of the screen. It's really, really impressive - on both sets.
They're both the exact same price ($5,500) right now and pitched as Sony's flagships even though the OLED just started shipping.
The LED Z9D is from their 2016 line, and will be discontinued soon, is actually stuffed with all of their latest technology. So back-lit triluminos display (all of their LCDs released in the last year are); X1 chip supporting their xtended dynamic range tech giving it comparable viewing angles to even the OLED which for some reason doesn't have XDR tech, but does support both HDR10 and Dolby Vison HDR (they offer three sets that do this now: A1E, 930E, 940E).
Both these tvs are incredible and I would struggle to tell the difference between the two. You could probably separate them at home once calibrated (none of the Sony's demoed are tampered with outside of setting the picture to vivid rep said) in your own home setting.
I was actually really impressed with the X850D. They had the 55" on display, and at $1,100 ($1,400 for the 65") it seems like the best balance between value and specs. It's also really nice on its own. Rep said it was the best selling model in 2016 across all brands in its class and a big reason why Sony is stepping up their brand push this year on more floors.
One thing was very clear to me after spending some time looking at all three brands: that X1 chip is no bullshit. Maybe I'm bias because I was in there to see the A1E in person, but none of the demos at Samsung or LG looked as good as what Sony was showing. Perhaps that pitch about the content being filmed on Sony cameras or whatever does matter - I don't know. All I do know is that Samsung sets were all lack luster in comparison and the build quality of their bezels was far behind what LG and Sony are doing. It's not even close there.
They didn't have the new LG wallpaper OLED in yet but that's supposedly just as good as their standard OLEDs just really thin - and $8k.
I'm still on team wait but that X850D seems to be the one that could be a hold over until some of this OLED stuff comes together. You know before the years over the prices are going to drop and the new joints with HDMI 2.1 are going to be announced. But boys and toys and all that…
Seriously though, Sony and LG are doing good things.
Yeah that X1 chip is the real deal. The Sony rep actually told me he doesn't think the Z9D gets replaced with a follow up, and if it does it will most likely be around the May range. Said the flagships release "late" since it doesn't really matter when they hit, they're targeted at a different audience than the mainstream TVs. I was also impressed by the x940 which is only offered in the 75'' side. It's basically the Z9's little brother. FALD and everything.
I'm pretty sure the Z9D is as far as LCD tech can go tho. That shit crazy.
Both these tvs are incredible and I would struggle to tell the difference between the two. You could probably separate them at home once calibrated (none of the Sony's demoed are tampered with outside of setting the picture to vivid rep said) in your own home setting.
The Z9D has the brightness edge way over the A1E and the rep said as much. Between the two I'd probably lean towards the Z9D because of that and its impact on HDR.
It's literally the only LCD I'd take over OLED tho.
By reilo Go To PostEdge-lit, though.I don't like the picture of my KS8000 with edge lighting turned on because of the artifacts when playing games. When it is turned off, I find it to not be a big deal unless the room doesn't have any other lights on.
So, if you watch in a well-lit room, I don't think the backlighting technologies make that big a difference. If you are setup to be watching a movie in a theater-like environment, they are supremely important and FALD is vastly superior to edge-lit.
The X930E is where I'd start with Sony
http://www.rtings.com/tv/reviews/sony/x930e
It's still edge lit, but also has local dimming. Basically a hybrid.
http://www.rtings.com/tv/reviews/sony/x930e
It's still edge lit, but also has local dimming. Basically a hybrid.
Sony only offer two sets currently that aren't edge lit LED. They refer to this as Backlight Master Drive in the Z9D which is advanced dimming that is not the traditional zonal clusters used in other FALD sets. It's apparently the big difference and why the image of the Z9D is capable of coming so close to the OLED.
As Smokey mentioned, the 75" 940E is the only other LED they have right now that's listed as directly back lit. It's also not using the Backlight Master Drive tech and that's reflected in the price difference with the Z9D.
So again, as Smokey mentioned, last year's Z9D is pretty much taking LED/LCD technology as far as its likely to go. That price has to come down at some point though.
I was reading a bit more after I got home last night and Sony's X-tended Dynamic Range Pro tech is their verbiage for LED alignment. So that's why the Z9D has it listed (the E line models may have quad LED edge alignment) and the A1E does not as it's an OLED and doesn't need it.
I also saw Sony's first UHD player at Best Buy that looks like a PS4 Pro without the bun.
$299 😒
As Smokey mentioned, the 75" 940E is the only other LED they have right now that's listed as directly back lit. It's also not using the Backlight Master Drive tech and that's reflected in the price difference with the Z9D.
So again, as Smokey mentioned, last year's Z9D is pretty much taking LED/LCD technology as far as its likely to go. That price has to come down at some point though.
I was reading a bit more after I got home last night and Sony's X-tended Dynamic Range Pro tech is their verbiage for LED alignment. So that's why the Z9D has it listed (the E line models may have quad LED edge alignment) and the A1E does not as it's an OLED and doesn't need it.
I also saw Sony's first UHD player at Best Buy that looks like a PS4 Pro without the bun.
$299 😒
By Smokey Go To PostThe X930E is where I'd start with SonyEdge lighting is one of the local dimming technologies. The KS8000 works the same way; this Sony just does it a lot better.
http://www.rtings.com/tv/reviews/sony/x930e
It's still edge lit, but also has local dimming. Basically a hybrid.
E: http://www.rtings.com/tv/tests/picture-quality/local-dimming
By GQman2121 Go To PostSony only offer two sets currently that aren't edge lit LED. They refer to this as Backlight Master Drive in the Z9D which is advanced dimming that is not the traditional zonal clusters used in other FALD sets. It's apparently the big difference and why the image of the Z9D is capable of coming so close to the OLED.
As Smokey mentioned, the 75" 940E is the only other LED they have right now that's listed as directly back lit. It's also not using the Backlight Master Drive tech and that's reflected in the price difference with the Z9D.
So again, as Smokey mentioned, last year's Z9D is pretty much taking LED/LCD technology as far as its likely to go. That price has to come down at some point though.
I was reading a bit more after I got home last night and Sony's X-tended Dynamic Range Pro tech is their verbiage for LED alignment. So that's why the Z9D has it listed (the E line models may have quad LED edge alignment) and the A1E does not as it's an OLED and doesn't need it.
I also saw Sony's first UHD player at Best Buy that looks like a PS4 Pro without the bun.
$299 😒
i don't think that Z9 price coming down soon tbh. They treat it as their top of the line TV, which it is. Sony's premium TVs used to stay at their price for an eternity. I could barely tell the difference between the OLED and Z9. The blacks were a bit better but it was shockingly close imo.
What's up on vizio tho
Their quality has dramatically increased
Both do local dimming
Get a 75" for less than OLED 65"
The new P-Series comes in 55-, 65-, and 75-inch sizes priced at $1,300, $2,000, and $3,500 respectively. Like last year, the M-Series holds its place as the company’s second-best TV line. It’ll be available in 50-, 55-, 65-, 70-, and 75-inch versions ranging from $800 to $3,000.
Both TVs continue to feature full-array local dimming, which is a critical piece in what makes Vizio’s sets look so good at their price point. Both also continue to offer the same low input lag that’s ideal for gaming. The P-Series has enhanced brightness versus last year’s model, which Vizio claims “dramatically expands the contrast range to reveal new detail with enhanced shadows and highlights.” It can produce over a billion colors thanks to what Vizio calls Ultra Color Spectrum and maintains support for both Dolby Vision and HDR 10. The “Xtreme Black Engine Pro” ‚ wow, that’s some branding — gives the set “inky blacks” through more precise control of the backlight and the TV’s local dimming zones, which number “up to” 128.
Their quality has dramatically increased
Both do local dimming
Get a 75" for less than OLED 65"
Best Buy in the Magnolia Zone have that big Vizio with the thin silver bezel next to the LG OLEDs and across from the 75" Sony Z9D.
The Sony Z9D is a great full-array 4k LED TV. Picture quality in a dark room is among the best you can find, mostly thanks to its excellent local dimming capabilities. It gets impressively bright, making it a top choice for HDR. Unfortunately, it suffers from issues with motion, and picture quality deteriorates when viewed at an angle.
http://www.rtings.com/tv/reviews/sony/z9d
Why God Why
Vs c7
Standout comparison to X930E :o
http://www.rtings.com/tv/reviews/sony/z9d
Why God Why
Vs c7
The LG C7 is LG's current entry-level OLED TV. It has exceptional picture quality thanks to its ability to produce perfect blacks, and motion blur is virtually non-existent. It's only real disadvantage compared to the Z9D is its brightness, since it can't get nearly as bright as the Sony. For watching movies in a dark room some people may prefer the brightness of the Z9D, but overall it's very difficult to justify the price difference.
Standout comparison to X930E :o
The X930E is one of Sony's high-end models for 2017. It doesn't have quite the stature of the Z9D, but it's a better TV overall. Motion is much better, and it gets equally bright. The Z9D does have a much better local dimming system, which enhances movies in a dark room a great amount. Even with that in mind though, it's a few thousand dollars more expensive, and most people will be happier with the X930E.
That glass screen on the G7P is really something. The base is ugly but you can't deny that picture and design.
By GQman2121 Go To PostFunny he's demoing it with a switch game though.
What better way to show off the up-scaling capabilities!
By Dark PhaZe Go To Postcant believe you still don't have a 4k set
i game on monitors, so i'm not in that big of a hurry.
Planet Earth II
https://www.avforums.com/review/planet-earth-ii-4k-ultra-hd-blu-ray-review.13586
fuk the games
THIS is my 4k/UHD killer app. I've had it on Blu Ray since launch, but haven't opened it. I don't wanna watch it in pleb 1080p mode. Means I'll have to buy it again on UHD Blu, but whatever.
https://www.avforums.com/review/planet-earth-ii-4k-ultra-hd-blu-ray-review.13586
An amazing series and a technological tour de force
fuk the games
THIS is my 4k/UHD killer app. I've had it on Blu Ray since launch, but haven't opened it. I don't wanna watch it in pleb 1080p mode. Means I'll have to buy it again on UHD Blu, but whatever.