By IWMTB19 Go To PostYes, Pakistan is bad!If we're gonna call every person who is 'friendly' with Egypt anti-muslim then you must have quite a list.
And Egypt is terrible too!
But Gabbard is friendly towards Egypt (whose regime kills Muslims) and hostile to Pakistan (whose regime kills Hindus).
For whatever reason, I have reasons to not trust someone who really likes Modi and shouts "RADICAL ISLAMIC TERRORISM."
Simplifying Pakistan down to "they kill Hindus" is downright weird too.
The Financial Times profiles a really racist rich Trump supporter just so that we can focus on these people too instead of just the WWC.
https://www.ft.com/content/eb87b688-ad26-11e6-9cb3-bb8207902122
https://www.ft.com/content/eb87b688-ad26-11e6-9cb3-bb8207902122
I just don't know.
http://qz.com/628124/tulsi-gabbard-the-first-hindu-in-the-us-congress-on-modi-hinduism-and-linking-islam-to-terror/
Described last October by the Washington Post as “the Democrat that Republicans love and the DNC can’t control,” Gabbard offered a sample of her independent streak a year ago, when she spoke out of sync with her fellow Democrats and criticized US president Barack Obama’s handling of Islamic extremism—specifically over his unwillingness to brand ISIL an “Islamic” group. “[Obama] is completely missing the point of this radical Islamic ideology that’s fueling these people,” Gabbard told Fox News last February.
Her viewpoint on this subject is all the more notable given her military experience in the Middle East, where she served in a field medical unit in Iraq and was a trainer for the Kuwait National Guard.
But it also aligns nicely with the stance toward Islam held by India’s right-wing Bharatiya Janata Party (BJP) and its Hindu nationalist leader, Narendra Modi, with whom Gabbard shares a great rapport.
Gabbard was among the few to criticize the US government’s decision to deny a visa to Modi before he was prime minister, in the wake of accusations that his government in the state of Gujarat did not do enough to save Muslims during the horrific communal violence carried out there in 2002. The Gujarat riots claimed more than 1,000 people, including close to 800 Muslims. Gabbard had called the no-visa decision a “great blunder.”
And in November 2013, five months before Modi would win election as prime minister, Gabbard opposed a House resolution that called for “religious freedom and related human rights to be included in the United States-India Strategic Dialogue and for such issues to be raised directly with federal and state Indian government officials,” saying it would weaken the friendship between India and US.
http://qz.com/628124/tulsi-gabbard-the-first-hindu-in-the-us-congress-on-modi-hinduism-and-linking-islam-to-terror/
By IWMTB19 Go To PostI just don't know."“[Obama] is completely missing the point of this radical Islamic ideology that’s fueling these people,” Gabbard told Fox News last February." And outside of what low aimed journalism would have you believing, Wahhabism is a significant enough theme within to warrant the term 'radical islamic terrorism'. Its not just a buzzword to hide behind or vilify. Its fun though. I'll admit that. Terrorism is an extremely broad walk (Hell, the election rigging talk on the previous few pages could be interpreted as such as well LOL) and just one extension of many fucked up criminal activities that can destabilize and damage.
http://qz.com/628124/tulsi-gabbard-the-first-hindu-in-the-us-congress-on-modi-hinduism-and-linking-islam-to-terror/
Its definitely arguable that Obama doesn't understand what's fueling these problems. It really is.
Also, I'd love for you to explain what all was going on during 2014's United States-India Strategic & Commercial Dialogue. Because to shorten it to
And in November 2013, five months before Modi would win election as prime minister, Gabbard opposed a House resolution that called for “religious freedom and related human rights to be included in the United States-India Strategic Dialogue and for such issues to be raised directly with federal and state Indian government officials,” saying it would weaken the friendship between India and US.is leaving out several details.
I really don't like this. Running and finding reasons not to like people to justify a weak stance is just... This is a really off-putting form of dialogue.
Trump's first move after being elected president was to try to influence the UK to stop the building of a wind farm near his golf course.
http://www.nytimes.com/2016/11/21/business/with-a-meeting-trump-renewed-a-british-wind-farm-fight.html?mtrref=t.co&_r=3
Hopefully Trump being such a crook and loser will dissuade future white supremacist votes for the next few years.
LONDON — When President-elect Donald J. Trump met with the British politician Nigel Farage in recent days, he encouraged Mr. Farage and his entourage to oppose the kind of offshore wind farms that Mr. Trump believes will mar the pristine view from one of his two Scottish golf courses, according to one person present.
The meeting, held shortly after the presidential election, raises new questions about Mr. Trump’s willingness to use the power of the presidency to advance his business interests. Mr. Trump has long opposed a wind farm planned near his course in Aberdeenshire, and he previously fought unsuccessfully all the way to Britain’s highest court to block it.
http://www.nytimes.com/2016/11/21/business/with-a-meeting-trump-renewed-a-british-wind-farm-fight.html?mtrref=t.co&_r=3
Hopefully Trump being such a crook and loser will dissuade future white supremacist votes for the next few years.
i can't lie. part of me is extremely impressed with how casually Trump goes about flaunting every ethics rule in the book. He's the SSJ3 of Snake Oil Salesman.
By DY_nasty Go To Post"“[Obama] is completely missing the point of this radical Islamic ideology that’s fueling these people,” Gabbard told Fox News last February." And outside of what low aimed journalism would have you believing, Wahhabism is a significant enough theme within to warrant the term 'radical islamic terrorism'. Its not just a buzzword to hide behind or vilify. Its fun though. I'll admit that. Terrorism is an extremely broad walk (Hell, the election rigging talk on the previous few pages could be interpreted as such as well LOL) and just one extension of many fucked up criminal activities that can destabilize and damage.
Its definitely arguable that Obama doesn't understand what's fueling these problems. It really is.
Also, I'd love for you to explain what all was going on during 2014's United States-India Strategic & Commercial Dialogue. Because to shorten it to is leaving out several details.
I really don't like this. Running and finding reasons not to like people to justify a weak stance is just… This is a really off-putting form of dialogue.
The only people who give two shits about using Radical Islamic Terrorism are fuckstain right wing Christian bigots who are attempting to peddle Christian Supremacy down everyone's throats. And use that justify their vile bigotry. Ditto for shitty new atheists.
https://youtu.be/FXbV1Nq3d-Y
The people who use this are attempting to categorize Islam as not a religion, but as an ideology. I've gotten into tons of arguments with people parroting these same exact talking points. Including otherwise liberal atheists. You're sitting here telling me that in Nazi Germany in the 1930's we should or shouldn't acknowledge that the Talmud and Old Testament discuss ideas of Jewish people being chosen. It's a bullshit slippery slop that reinforces Trump and his shitty vile despicable followers desire to craft this as a war of civilizations. Don't kid yourself.
By 3SidedPolygons Go To PostThe only people who give two shits about using Radical Islamic Terrorism are fuckstain right wing Christian bigots who are attempting to peddle Christian Supremacy down everyone's throats. And use that justify their vile bigotry. Ditto for shitty new atheists.Like I said, there are people who use it to hide behind and those who use it to vilify. Of course its a slippery slope, but not acknowledging contributing effects in a surging rash of particular recurring factors dilutes.
https://youtu.be/FXbV1Nq3d-Y
The people who use this are attempting to categorize Islam as not a religion, but as an ideology. I've gotten into tons of arguments with people parroting these same exact talking points. Including otherwise liberal atheists. You're sitting here telling me that in Nazi Germany in the 1930's we should or shouldn't acknowledge that the Talmud and Old Testament discuss ideas of Jewish people being chosen. It's a bullshit slippery slop that reinforces Trump and his shitty vile despicable followers desire to craft this as a war of civilizations. Don't kid yourself.
And no, I'm not sitting here telling you anything about Nazi Germany. lmao
By HasphatsAnts Go To Posti can't lie. part of me is extremely impressed with how casually Trump goes about flaunting every ethics rule in the book. He's the SSJ3 of Snake Oil Salesman.
He's sold America a giant monorail and liberals are Lisa trying to call him out
The alt-right is all the way out there
http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2016/11/richard-spencer-speech-npi/508379/
http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2016/11/richard-spencer-speech-npi/508379/
By DY_nasty Go To PostLike I said, there are people who use it to hide behind and those who use it to vilify. Of course its a slippery slope, but not acknowledging contributing effects in a surging rash of particular recurring factors dilutes.
And no, I'm not sitting here telling you anything about Nazi Germany. lmao
The way you talk about the military, like no one fucking gets it, is the way I talk about Religion as an RS major. Don't kid yourself, there are alt-right neo-Nazis all over this administration emboldened by a racist - anyone who's dumb enough to play into their demonization of Islam is part of the problem, not the solution.
This isn't a debate were having between religious scholars on the rise of ISIS or its connection to religion, this is one very Nazi-ish side trying to normalize the demonization of Muslims and any dumbfuck like Tulsi Gabbard and Sam Harris who reinforces their narrative doesn't get a pass or doesn't have "courage" for playing to this crowd.
CNN published some of Spencer's speech at that alt-right convention.
His remarks were filled with racist imagery -- including references to "the black political machines" and Latino housekeepers -- as he bashed Hillary Clinton's minority supporters.
"Her coalition was made up of mutually hostile tribes only united out of a hatred of 'whitey' -- that is to say, out of a hatred of us," Spencer said.
He added that "there are no two parts of this coalition who could ever be in the same room together for any length of time."
"America was, until this last generation, a white country, designed for ourselves and our posterity. It is our creation and our inheritance, and it belongs to us," Spencer said.
By 3SidedPolygons Go To PostThe way you talk about the military, like no one fucking gets it, is the way I talk about Religion as an RS major. Don't kid yourself, there are alt-right neo-Nazis all over this administration emboldened by a racist - anyone who's dumb enough to play into their demonization of Islam is part of the problem, not the solution.From the no-fly zone talk and the race to put heads in the sand, its clear that people not only "don't get it" but they don't want to. Okay, cool. IWMTB tried to tell me just now that Gabbard was anti-muslim and pro-assad and I wanted to see if there was something new out there that maybe I'd missed - but all I got was flimsy at best quotes and articles that prove her a warhawk and an opportunist (which doesn't make you evil, it makes you a politician lol). And most of it was copy and pasted links from the thread on that other site too.
This isn't a debate were having between religious scholars on the rise of ISIS or its connection to religion, this is one very Nazi-ish side trying to normalize the demonization of Muslims and any dumbfuck like Tulsi Gabbard and Sam Harris who reinforces their narrative doesn't get a pass or doesn't have "courage" for playing to this crowd.
SO - and I'm still open to finding out some horrific new shit about Gabbard because whynot - that's all that was. There were no nazis involved.
Also, the rise of ISIS and other contributing factors were brought up because its very possible (at the very least arguable) that Obama and some around him don't understand what they're fighting and how they've directly contributed to making it worse.
Annnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnd the next time I see anyone in here talking about rigging elections, they're getting banned. Why? Because its the sort of shit that gets you on a watchlist. Don't do it again.
By DY_nasty Go To PostFrom the no-fly zone talk and the race to put heads in the sand, its clear that people not only "don't get it" but they don't want to. Okay, cool. IWMTB tried to tell me just now that Gabbard was anti-muslim and pro-assad and I wanted to see if there was something new out there that maybe I'd missed - but all I got was flimsy at best quotes and articles that prove her a warhawk and an opportunist (which doesn't make you evil, it makes you a politician lol). And most of it was copy and pasted links from the thread on that other site too.
SO - and I'm still open to finding out some horrific new shit about Gabbard because whynot - that's all that was. There were no nazis involved.
Also, the rise of ISIS and other contributing factors were brought up because its very possible (at the very least arguable) that Obama and some around him don't understand what they're fighting and how they've directly contributed to making it worse.
Annnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnd the next time I see anyone in here talking about rigging elections, they're getting banned. Why? Because its the sort of shit that gets you on a watchlist. Don't do it again.
Who talked about rigging elections?
By 3SidedPolygons Go To PostWho talked about rigging elections?you did...
By blackace Go To Postyou did…
How and when?
You mean having liberals move to battleground states instead of congregating in the same 5? Everyone understands we have a geography problem. What am I missing and why is it a problem to point it out?
By 3SidedPolygons Go To PostHow and when?
You mean having liberals move to battleground states instead of congregating in the same 5? Everyone understands we have a geography problem. What am I missing and why is it a problem to point it out?
you aren't the first person to think if that and it IS electoral fraud...
quick and dirty from wiki
Electorate manipulation
Electoral fraud can occur in advance of voting if the composition of the electorate is altered. The legality of this type of manipulation varies across jurisdictions. Deliberate manipulation of election outcomes is widely considered a violation of the principles of democracy.[3]
Manipulation of demography
In many cases it is possible for authorities to artificially control the composition of an electorate in order to produce a foregone result. One way of doing this is to move a large number of voters into the electorate prior to an election, for example by temporarily assigning them land or lodging them in flophouses.[4][5] Many countries prevent this with rules stipulating that a voter must have lived in an electoral district for a minimum period (for example, six months) in order to be eligible to vote there. However, such laws can also be used for demographic manipulation as they tend to disenfranchise those with no fixed address, such as the homeless, travelers, Roma, students (studying full-time away from home), and some casual workers.
Another strategy is to permanently move people into an electoral district, usually through public housing. If people eligible for public housing are likely to vote for a particular party, then they can either be concentrated into one area, thus making their votes count for less, or moved into marginal electorates, where they may tip the balance towards their preferred party. One notable example of this occurred in the City of Westminster in England under Shirley Porter.[6]
Immigration law may also be used to manipulate electoral demography. For instance, Malaysia gave citizenship to immigrants from the neighboring Philippines and Indonesia, together with suffrage, in order for a political party to "dominate" the state of Sabah; this controversial process was known as Project IC.[7]
A method of manipulating primary contests and other elections of party leaders is related to this. People who support one party may temporarily join another party (or vote in a crossover way, when permitted) in order to elect a weak candidate for that party's leadership. The goal ultimately is defeat of the weak candidate in the general election by the leader of the party that the voter truly supports
By blackace Go To Postyou aren't the first person to think if that and it IS electoral fraud…
quick and dirty from wiki
That's specifically the authorities/government moving people in and out to control elections. I'm talking about people should move there period. This isn't something where the DNC provides accommodations or is done on a government level. It's done on a grassroots one.
That's the difference. I've been talking about moving out of LA for years, if people moved out we'd lessen the effects of gentrification, spread out the economy instead of centralizing it in the coasts and ultimately allow for a government more in line with the majority.
Climate change is going to force this anyway. The drought going on in California isn't going to subside and it's going to force people out, as will rising sea levels.
As soon as I finish up my degree I'm applying to MBA programs in battleground states and heading there
By 3SidedPolygons Go To PostThat's specifically the authorities/government moving people in and out to control elections. I'm talking about people should move there period. This isn't something where the DNC provides accommodations or is done on a government level. It's done on a grassroots one.Actually it can apply to any large body of people... businesses or organizations.
That's the difference. I've been talking about moving out of LA for years, if people moved out we'd lessen the effects of gentrification, spread out the economy instead of centralizing it in the coasts and ultimately allow for a government more in line with the majority.
Climate change is going to force this anyway. The drout going on in California isn't going to subside and it's going to force people out, as will rising sea levels.
As soon as I finish up my degree I'm applying to MBA programs in battleground states and heading there
you can do what you do but you can't organize that sort of movement here...
By blackace Go To PostActually it can apply to any large body of people… businesses or organizations.
you can do what you do but you can't organize that sort of movement here…
Ok fine. Had no idea that was an issue.
Is Trump our first pedophile president since Thomas Jefferson?
https://www.buzzfeed.com/tamerragriffin/trump-asked-if-its-wrong-to-be-attracted-to-his-daughter?utm_term=.msrYzb5qzq#.kno24XrJ4J
Can remember which of our presidents have been into incest though.
Jared Kushner, our Tom Hagen, who married Trump’s stunning daughter Ivanka — “Can I ask you something?” Trump asked someone I know, about his then-13-year-old kid, “Is it wrong to be more sexually attracted to your own daughter than your wife?” — has lately lost some of this Boy Scout aura. It turns out Kushner’s admission to Harvard was preceded by his father’s $2.5 million pledge.
https://www.buzzfeed.com/tamerragriffin/trump-asked-if-its-wrong-to-be-attracted-to-his-daughter?utm_term=.msrYzb5qzq#.kno24XrJ4J
Can remember which of our presidents have been into incest though.
Based on who he's appointed thus far and what we know about them, I think it's clear that the Trump administration's posture is likely to be in opposition to the rights of Muslims and will possibly include outright conflict with majority-Muslim countries.
Trump is the best gift we could have possibly given to Islamic extremists.
Trump is the best gift we could have possibly given to Islamic extremists.
Trump on Iran is so incoherent.
1. Help Iran in Syria.
2. End Iran deal so that... Iran gets to start building a bomb again?
3. Start a war with Iran. Scope completely undefined as of now with everything from naval war to regime change suggested.
1. Help Iran in Syria.
2. End Iran deal so that... Iran gets to start building a bomb again?
3. Start a war with Iran. Scope completely undefined as of now with everything from naval war to regime change suggested.
Oh, so a candidate did use their charity foundation illegally the past few years, and now he is president:
Donald Trump’s Foundation Engaged in Self-Dealing, IRS Filing Shows
Foundation’s 2015 tax return reports payments to foundation insiders
http://www.wsj.com/articles/donald-trumps-foundation-engaged-in-self-dealing-irs-filing-shows-1479829984
It's almost as if Trump's entire "Hillary is corrupt!" bullshit was projection. Almost.
Donald Trump’s Foundation Engaged in Self-Dealing, IRS Filing Shows
Foundation’s 2015 tax return reports payments to foundation insiders
President-elect Donald Trump’s charitable foundation engaged in self-dealing in 2015 and prior years, the foundation said in an Internal Revenue Service filing.
That self-dealing, which can lead to additional taxes and penalties, resulted from payments to “disqualified persons,” or foundation insiders, according to the document. The filing—the foundation’s tax return for 2015—doesn’t provide more details. Representatives for Mr. Trump didn’t respond immediately to requests for comment Tuesday.
The Trump foundation also reported receiving $150,000 from the foundation of Victor Pinchuk, a Ukrainian businessman.
The payment was “in support” of a video appearance by Mr. Trump in September 2015 at a conference sponsored by the Pinchuk foundation and Yalta European Strategy, another group Mr. Pinchuk founded, Thomas Weihe, head of the foundation’s board, said in an email on Tuesday.
http://www.wsj.com/articles/donald-trumps-foundation-engaged-in-self-dealing-irs-filing-shows-1479829984
It's almost as if Trump's entire "Hillary is corrupt!" bullshit was projection. Almost.
By Dark PhaZe Go To PostTrump flipping on almost everything with this NYT meetinglol
Don't Listen to Ondore's Lies
This is unreal lmao. Still can't get over the fact this colossal fucking turbocunt is president. Everything he says is a flip flop or a lie.
I hope Trump voters are following Trump's comments at the NYT (they aren't).
What a corrupt fucking idiot. This is someone who doesn't care one iota about anything that doesn't directly affect him.
What a corrupt fucking idiot. This is someone who doesn't care one iota about anything that doesn't directly affect him.
"In theory I can run my business perfectly, and run the country perfectly. There's never been a case like this" .... BECAUSE IT'S ILLEGAL AND WE HAVEN'T ALLOWED IT TO BE A CASE.
"I have a Jew, he can bring peace to Israel and Palestine."
https://twitter.com/BumillerNYT/status/801138068174630913
.... Okay then.
Trump REALLY loves torture.
https://twitter.com/maggieNYT/status/801138642802606081
Reince tricked him into cancelling the original interview so things are starting well.
http://www.cnbc.com/2016/11/22/trump-after-canceling-will-now-attend-new-york-times-meeting.html?__source=twitter
Trump: Jared Kushner could help make peace between the Israelis and Palestinians.
https://twitter.com/BumillerNYT/status/801138068174630913
.... Okay then.
Trump REALLY loves torture.
Trump says he is "seriously considering" Mattis for DoD, says he asked Mattis about waterboarding, was surprised he didn't favor it.
https://twitter.com/maggieNYT/status/801138642802606081
Reince tricked him into cancelling the original interview so things are starting well.
Three people with knowledge of Mr. Trump's initial decision to cancel the meeting said that Reince Priebus, the incoming White House chief of staff, had been among those urging the president-elect to cancel it, because he would face questions he might not be prepared to answer. It was Mr. Priebus who relayed to Mr. Trump, erroneously, that The Times had changed the conditions of the meeting, believing it would result in a cancellation, these people said.
http://www.cnbc.com/2016/11/22/trump-after-canceling-will-now-attend-new-york-times-meeting.html?__source=twitter
By IWMTB19 Go To PostReince tricked him into cancelling the original interview so things are starting well.Also: Manafort faked plane problems to force Trump to consider Pence instead of Christie.
http://www.cnbc.com/2016/11/22/trump-after-canceling-will-now-attend-new-york-times-meeting.html?__source=twitter
I can totally picture how this administration is gonna run now. Trump will run the Trump Organization from the Oval Office and will leave the actual business of governing the country to the likes of Bannon, Priebus, and Flynn.
By 3SidedPolygons Go To PostWhat's beyond frustrating right now is that liberals aren't agreeing on the best way forward. We're being too intellectual about shit and debating nuances instead of coming together.
There is a mountain of racist sexist assholes out there and we're sitting around debating theoretical shit with each other
Welcome to the nexus of progressivism. Be so inclusive, you can't even figure out a mission statement.
I read the Combahee River Collective for the lulz every now and then to remind myself what unity without purpose looks like.
By Rob Go To PostIt's a lot easier to unite a bunch of people under one cause. The right has fuck non-white christians, the left doesn't have anything.
This is when told my ex-colleague in at U of Ohio that BLM will never my get the job done. Secularism isn't enough. You need to give people an entity to believe in. Even fedora-tippers worship NDT.
But the heart of his message was something different, an ersatz economic populism, which has been noted far and wide, but also a strong, usually overlooked, antiwar message. Both spoke to legitimate working-class concerns.
Note: Trump has repeatedly promised to go to war with Iran.
https://www.jacobinmag.com/2016/11/trump-speeches-populism-war-economics-election/
Don't do drugs.
By IWMTB19 Go To PostNote: Trump has repeatedly promised to go to war with Iran.The heart of his message was that brown people and devious Asian and other (((foreign))) interests are to blame for anything bad that has happened to you, and that Big Strong Trump Man will fix everything.
https://www.jacobinmag.com/2016/11/trump-speeches-populism-war-economics-election/
Don't do drugs.
I took a list of all 981 U.S. counties1 with 50,000 or more people2 and sorted it by the share of the population3 that had completed at least a four-year college degree. Hillary Clinton improved on President Obama’s 2012 performance in 48 of the country’s 50 most-well-educated counties. And on average, she improved on Obama’s margin of victory in these countries by almost 9 percentage points, even though Obama had done pretty well in them to begin with.
These results are every bit as striking: Clinton lost ground relative to Obama in 47 of the 50 counties — she did an average of 11 percentage points worse, in fact. These are really the places that won Donald Trump the presidency, especially given that a fair number of them are in swing states such as Ohio and North Carolina. He improved on Mitt Romney’s margin by more than 30 points (!) in Ashtabula County, Ohio, for example, an industrial county along Lake Erie that hadn’t voted Republican since 1984.
By contrast, Clinton struggled (relatively speaking) in majority-minority communities with lower education levels. Among the 19 majority-minority countries where 15 percent or less of the population has a bachelor’s degree, she won by an average of only 7 percentage points, less than Obama’s 10-point average margin of victory in 2012. We need to be slightly careful here because of the potential ecological fallacy — it’s not clear if minority voters shifted away from Clinton in these counties or if the white voters who live there did. Still, Trump probably gained overall among Latino and black voters compared to Romney, and it’s worth investigating divisions within those communities instead of treating their votes as monolithic.
I know they don't actually care, but I don't understand what these cops don't get about throwing anything like a flashbang/concussive grenade at civilians. It ain't Call of Duty, that shit can kill a person.
Spraying water at people at below freezing temperatures is Batman villain shit. Like, hypothermia doesn't claim lives. Shit's infuriating.
Spraying water at people at below freezing temperatures is Batman villain shit. Like, hypothermia doesn't claim lives. Shit's infuriating.
Man the North Dakota Pipeline story just goes to show that the government can and will do whatever the fuck it wants.
Also, I find it comical that the one realistic solution to keeping rednecks from bringing us back to colonial times is banned from conversation here. LoL, k.
Also, I find it comical that the one realistic solution to keeping rednecks from bringing us back to colonial times is banned from conversation here. LoL, k.