By reilo Go To PostI don't know man, but spending more time talking about his reaction to Hamilton than the fact that Mike Pence believes in gay conversion therapy or that Bannon is on equal footing to his Chief of Staff isn't the right answer, no?stealing this
By GQman2121 Go To PostHow could anyone watch, read or listen to conversations covering what the cast had to say and paint that as any type of negative? It's infuriating.
Easy.
no one watched, read or listened to what the cast said.
By LFMartins86 Go To PostHamilton's cast had this to say to Pence :Honestly, if it wasn't his twitter account I would say this was made up
The King Clown came to rescue :
And about that lawsuit settlement…
incredible lol
By Rob Go To PostEasy.
no one watched, read or listened to what the cast said.
Aye.
It's apparent that Trump intends to brazen out the fact that he's exploiting the office for commercial gain. I fully expect another "that makes me smart" line. He can no more readily contemplate setting it aside than that goon in Jack Reacher could chew off his fingers
By blackace Go To Post
LOL
By blackace Go To Post😂
By 3SidedPolygons Go To PostSo, giving money to important groups. What else guys. What else are we doing to beat this evil?
Going down south to visit dad. He might not be able to find his AR-15 after I'm gone.
http://www.thestranger.com/features/2016/11/15/24694214/the-resistance-how-to-defeat-donald-trumps-plot-against-america
The best article I've read.
It's so damn affirming and passionately written
The best article I've read.
Now we resist. We speak. We write. We protest. We defend the rights of others as we would defend our own. We educate ourselves. We make art that matters. We make lives that matter. We make love that matters, including in all of the delightful ways that were illegal in this country just 13 fucking years ago. (See the US Supreme Court's 2003 Lawrence v. Texas decision, also worth a read.)
We figure out how to persuade some of the tens of millions of Americans who voted for Trump. We don't need to persuade all of them, thankfully; that's one of the nice perks of democracy. But we do need to persuade enough of them that we can work together to reverse this existential error and save our republic.
We will do this from America's cities, because the cities are where most of us who voted against Trump reside. We see meaning in this fact. We will shout this meaning toward anyone who will listen (and, sure, we'll use our indoor voices sometimes, too), because everyone within and beyond the city needs to hear this, now more than ever. Our declaration of urban resistance is about three things: fixing the city, loving the city, and expanding the city—the better to expand the opposition to Trump.
We will do this because we have to. We will do it because time is running out (see: climate change). We will do it because we want a livable future. Our republic cannot exist without certain basic things—things we cherish and now must defend both for ourselves and for the country as a whole: Liberty. Equality. Community.
It's so damn affirming and passionately written
The Stranger has always been a good read.. Nice to see the Seattle paper that could reaching so many people.
https://hbr.org/2016/11/how-to-negotiate-after-a-staggering-defeat-a-playbook-for-democrats
Also a great read.
While I'm worried that working with Trump may give him cover for some of his fascist behavior, or a strong economy will definitely give him that cover, this article does a great job highlighting the value of picking your battles, forming alliances with the other party in Congress, and sticking to your guns on the really important shit.
It's also going to be important to frame the narrative moving forward. If the Electoral College votes for him and he becomes President - the narrative can never be that "Liberals didn't understand Trump supporters so that's why he won". The narrative HAS to be "Clinton actually won and the majority rejected Trump's vision for America, but he's President because of an archaic system".
In short, we're going to have to build relationships with more sensible Republicans in Congress because when shit hits the fan and Trump inevitably over-reacts, either on the international or on the Domestic stage, we're going to have to leverage those relationships to stop him. Allowing some Obama executive orders to be nixed, allowing some Tax cuts and some infrastructure spending, allowing some changes to Obamacare should be ok as long as we control the narrative that we're not beyond working with Trump and will stand to oppose him when he violates the Constitution or acts like an Authoritarian.
Also a great read.
While I'm worried that working with Trump may give him cover for some of his fascist behavior, or a strong economy will definitely give him that cover, this article does a great job highlighting the value of picking your battles, forming alliances with the other party in Congress, and sticking to your guns on the really important shit.
It's also going to be important to frame the narrative moving forward. If the Electoral College votes for him and he becomes President - the narrative can never be that "Liberals didn't understand Trump supporters so that's why he won". The narrative HAS to be "Clinton actually won and the majority rejected Trump's vision for America, but he's President because of an archaic system".
In short, we're going to have to build relationships with more sensible Republicans in Congress because when shit hits the fan and Trump inevitably over-reacts, either on the international or on the Domestic stage, we're going to have to leverage those relationships to stop him. Allowing some Obama executive orders to be nixed, allowing some Tax cuts and some infrastructure spending, allowing some changes to Obamacare should be ok as long as we control the narrative that we're not beyond working with Trump and will stand to oppose him when he violates the Constitution or acts like an Authoritarian.
I agree that electoral is archaic but changing to a pure majority doesn't seem to fix it as well.. should be some combo of the two... I think that would help the balance of things..
By blackace Go To PostI agree that electoral is archaic but changing to a pure majority doesn't seem to fix it as well.. should be some combo of the two… I think that would help the balance of things..
I don't want to change it either. But the argument is that we have to win the messaging. At no point can this be that Trump won. In the same way that they literally said "but Hillary" to every single thing, we have to say "trump lost" at every moment.
I'm not an expert or anything, but I would remind people at every opportunity that the electoral college exists because the founders wanted a check that could stop an unqualified tyrant from assuming power, the electoral college abdicated their responsibility and handed he election to an unfit despot that lost.
I would hammer that home every single day and in every single appearance. It should be incessant until every American knows that trump lost and the electoral college could have and should have voted for Hillary but they didn't.
http://www.jerrynadler.com/news-clips/how-we-resist-trump-and-his-extreme-agenda
Here's another article, takes a different and more aggressive approach. One key thing is that it tells folks like me who live in LA to adopt a vulnerable 2018 democratic district and a vulnerable 2018 republican one and coordinate with groups to see how I can help. Super useful info.
I mean Trump did win. By the electoral it wasn't really close to a non-win. Trying to spin it any other way is useless... does the system need a change? Yes. Do people need to be more and more proactive going forward? Yes. But Trump won under the current system...
By blackace Go To PostI mean Trump did win. By the electoral it wasn't really close to a non-win. Trying to spin it any other way is useless… does the system need a change? Yes. Do people need to be more and more proactive going forward? Yes. But Trump won under the current system…
And Hillary isn't the same as a racist serial rapist, but they convinced enough people of that.
Trump won because the vote of someone in wyoming is worth 3X what mine is. Trump won because California has 55 electoral votes and not the 155 it should have to be proportionate to smaller states.
If Trump is seen as an illigitimate president, he'll have less power. Agreeing he won won't convince anyone he's illegitimate. Mentioning it incessantly and forcing the media to cover it will.
I for one am never going to admit he won to any trump supporter I talk to. I'm going to make them defend the fact that their president had the majority of the country vote against him and a plurality vote for his opponent before I even begin to discuss anything else.
Trump's power isn't who you really have to worry about... I don't think just repeating something enough will stop this train that's rolling... But talking to more level-headed republicans and working those routes are good ideas
You know this, but.
Repeat this principle over and over and over again until people realize why we have an electoral college in the first place.
In an alternate reality If the electoral college voted for Hillary, the news networks would spend weeks talking about this stuff. about how the founding fathers intended for them to cast their ballot against the will of the voter if it meant preserving the country.
We can bring this up regardless of what they do and we can bring it up incessantly as reminders when he fails or makes mistakes or showcases an unfitness for the office.
The reason that the Constitution calls for this extra layer, rather than just providing for the direct election of the president, is that most of the nation’s founders were actually rather afraid of democracy. James Madison worried about what he called “factions,” which he defined as groups of citizens who have a common interest in some proposal that would either violate the rights of other citizens or would harm the nation as a whole. Madison’s fear – which Alexis de Tocqueville later dubbed “the tyranny of the majority” – was that a faction could grow to encompass more than 50 percent of the population, at which point it could “sacrifice to its ruling passion or interest both the public good and the rights of other citizens.” Madison has a solution for tyranny of the majority: “A republic, by which I mean a government in which the scheme of representation takes place, opens a different prospect, and promises the cure for which we are seeking.”
As Alexander Hamilton writes in “The Federalist Papers,” the Constitution is designed to ensure “that the office of President will never fall to the lot of any man who is not in an eminent degree endowed with the requisite qualifications.” The point of the Electoral College is to preserve “the sense of the people,” while at the same time ensuring that a president is chosen “by men most capable of analyzing the qualities adapted to the station, and acting under circumstances favorable to deliberation, and to a judicious combination of all the reasons and inducements which were proper to govern their choice.”
Repeat this principle over and over and over again until people realize why we have an electoral college in the first place.
By blackace Go To PostTrump's power isn't who you really have to worry about… I don't think just repeating something enough will stop this train that's rolling… But talking to more level-headed republicans and working those routes are good ideas
In an alternate reality If the electoral college voted for Hillary, the news networks would spend weeks talking about this stuff. about how the founding fathers intended for them to cast their ballot against the will of the voter if it meant preserving the country.
We can bring this up regardless of what they do and we can bring it up incessantly as reminders when he fails or makes mistakes or showcases an unfitness for the office.
By blackace Go To PostIt won't change the results nor limit the control the republicans have now…
It won't change the results but I disagree. It will muddy the waters it will change the narrative and it will work to slow down any mandate they think they have. I don't see how it's a bad play. The country isn't set up in such a way where we will lose the popular vote but win the election anytime soon. Plus making it a central issue in people's minds will either increase support for abolishing it or increase pressure on electoral college vote holders to make responsible decisions moving forward.
Dan Savage has always been great at denouncing reactionaries yet being especially politically inept and blind to the plight of common people ("afraid of HIV? Just take this 15000 dollars a year medication!").
In this article, when it's time to get real:
"Maybe you and your tech-savvy coworkers will create new and unheard of ways to kill fascism."
The voice of the unorganized affluent white-collar playing pretend, as his only plan of action is to vote-as-usual a few years from now.
In this article, when it's time to get real:
"Maybe you and your tech-savvy coworkers will create new and unheard of ways to kill fascism."
The voice of the unorganized affluent white-collar playing pretend, as his only plan of action is to vote-as-usual a few years from now.
Yeah. Savage was all about "Liberals should rig the vote too - we won't win if we don't play dirty" a little while back.
What's the justification in CA having such disproportionate EC votes to the rest of the country?
New York to Florida is 1 to 1 with 29 votes.
New York to Florida is 1 to 1 with 29 votes.
By GQman2121 Go To PostWhat's the justification in CA having such disproportionate EC votes to the rest of the country?
New York to Florida is 1 to 1 with 29 votes.
2 Senators + X representatives = X+2 electoral college votes.
Same formula everywhere. The number of representatives is proportional to the population according to the Census.
So in contrary to your point, Californians actually hold less power over the election than people in smaller States.
Stinkles on GAF is my hero:
Low Democratic turnout is #1, but everything Stinkles said above will be #1. Forever.
The fucking sound of liberal hand wringing and intellectual contortion to avoid dealing with the existential dread of realizing that about half the country is stupid and racist as fuck.
Like in your heart of hearts you know this just from watching people drive with their phones out and the chrome balls dangling off their Ford F-150 but this path, the path of "oh we did it to ourselves" and "economic anxiety" is the one that helps us ignore the real problem again for eight years,
Clinton is an aspect of the problem for sure. But the revisionist thesis that she's this stealth catastrophe candidate is bonkers. She's a competent career politician and a corporatist and a center right bag of tedium. Her gender is only interesting because our country is so backwards. She lost against Trump because he energized fucktards in numbers nobody rational predicted. He lied to them, he exposed his fraudulence and incompetence nonstop but they ignored all that because they want to say the N word again and some of them think jobs and abortion bans are coming.
Hillary wasn't exposed by this election, America was. And its media and punditry industries.
Vote in the midterms you lazy hand wringing shitbags or STFU.
Low Democratic turnout is #1, but everything Stinkles said above will be #1. Forever.
Write like him in a forum, fine I guess, part of the culture.
Talk in real life like he writes... and ironically, you're one of the idiots he denounces.
I sometimes feel like internet culture reinforces asocial types.
For all the disdain he has for Trump, that guy adopted the culture of the Trump age. Aggressive, hateful, etc.
Talk in real life like he writes... and ironically, you're one of the idiots he denounces.
I sometimes feel like internet culture reinforces asocial types.
For all the disdain he has for Trump, that guy adopted the culture of the Trump age. Aggressive, hateful, etc.
By Gabyskra Go To PostWrite like him in a forum, fine I guess, part of the culture.
Talk in real life like he writes… and ironically, you're one of the idiots he denounces.
I sometimes feel like internet culture reinforces asocial types.
For all the disdain he has for Trump, that guy adopted the culture of the Trump age. Aggressive, hateful, etc.
Someone posted on your behalf too:
...acknowledging 10's of millions of Americans are beyond redemption scares the shit out of center-left/moderate liberals.
Trump will fuck up real bad soon enough. His thin skin in reaction to Saturday Night Live is enough to show he'll blown his lid beyond reason when it comes to actual politics sooner rather than later.
We just have to sit back and prepare, organize, and get ready to make our move when the time comes.
We just have to sit back and prepare, organize, and get ready to make our move when the time comes.
Good point from Ellison...we've given Trump a chance and he's already slapped us in the face with his appointments
http://www.cnn.com/2016/11/21/politics/keith-ellison-new-day-interview-trump/index.html
http://www.cnn.com/2016/11/21/politics/keith-ellison-new-day-interview-trump/index.html
Banned from GAF for yelling at people that said I pretended the U.S. didn't bomb a Doctors Without Borders in Afghanistan (I made the fucking thread on it) and for yelling at someone who called me an Al-Qaeda sympathizer for disliking Russia bombing hospitals.
Righteous fire should not be ban worthy.
Righteous fire should not be ban worthy.
Nah, one left before perm.
Seriously though, someone called me a terrorist sympathizer because I make a lot of threads about Russia committing war crimes... They've bombed out every hospital in East Aleppo to try to murder the civilian population through attrition... Come on, you edgelord losers, get a life that doesn't involve praising Russia for bombing hospitals.
Seriously though, someone called me a terrorist sympathizer because I make a lot of threads about Russia committing war crimes... They've bombed out every hospital in East Aleppo to try to murder the civilian population through attrition... Come on, you edgelord losers, get a life that doesn't involve praising Russia for bombing hospitals.
That's horrific and it makes me feel even worse for wanting to bail out of the region and let Russia do its thing. But what can we do? This is awful
I don't know if there's a good solution, but cheerleading Russia bombing children's hospitals seems like the worst solution.
Anyway, fired Trump troll Michael Tracey is a dude with thoughts about black people.
Counting down the days until he's hired by The Intercept.
Anyway, fired Trump troll Michael Tracey is a dude with thoughts about black people.
Counting down the days until he's hired by The Intercept.
Fillon is likely to win France's center-right primary, meaning that Le Pen has a good chance of becoming prime minister because Fillon's platform is wildly unpopular. Fillon wants huge cuts to France's welfare state.
The candidates other than Fillon and Le Pen have next to no chance so this is going to be a pretty bad election. But at least Sarkozy lost on his platform of hating Muslims.
The candidates other than Fillon and Le Pen have next to no chance so this is going to be a pretty bad election. But at least Sarkozy lost on his platform of hating Muslims.
What's beyond frustrating right now is that liberals aren't agreeing on the best way forward. We're being too intellectual about shit and debating nuances instead of coming together.
There is a mountain of racist sexist assholes out there and we're sitting around debating theoretical shit with each other
There is a mountain of racist sexist assholes out there and we're sitting around debating theoretical shit with each other
The best way forward is to promote outrage when Paul Ryan puts forward the bill to eliminate Medicare. We'll come together then.
By 3SidedPolygons Go To PostWhat's beyond frustrating right now is that liberals aren't agreeing on the best way forward. We're being too intellectual about shit and debating nuances instead of coming together.It's a lot easier to unite a bunch of people under one cause. The right has fuck non-white christians, the left doesn't have anything.
There is a mountain of racist sexist assholes out there and we're sitting around debating theoretical shit with each other
I mean Trump represents everything we hate, we shouldn't have to wait till shit gets worse.
There are a bunch of Bernie bro type pseudo sexists and Sam Harris type islamaphobes in the Liberal world that can't even agree on stuff
There are a bunch of Bernie bro type pseudo sexists and Sam Harris type islamaphobes in the Liberal world that can't even agree on stuff
The class warrior jerk offs who want to abandon minority issues to win the WWC will be able to come together over Medicare though.
The re-unification will come.
The re-unification will come.
An explosion of energy isn't going to do anything right now. Despite that, there's a lot of healthy outrage and protest. I do think deep debate is critical at the moment for the future of the party.
Lol
Josh Marshall dug up a report from an Argentinian newspaper that's when Argentina's president called to congratulate Trump, Trump asked him to look into clearing the red tape on his Buenos Aires construction projects.
I'm starting to see that his primary role will be enriching himself while his racist cronies actually govern.
Josh Marshall dug up a report from an Argentinian newspaper that's when Argentina's president called to congratulate Trump, Trump asked him to look into clearing the red tape on his Buenos Aires construction projects.
I'm starting to see that his primary role will be enriching himself while his racist cronies actually govern.
I mean they started a tea party right away and that momentum is what led to the 2010 results.
2 years to build a counter-movement isn't that long and wasting time isn't really the best bet.
2 years to build a counter-movement isn't that long and wasting time isn't really the best bet.
Honestly, that would be better than Trump trying to destroy American institutions so that he can be president for life.
By IWMTB19 Go To PostHonestly, that would be better than Trump trying to destroy American institutions so that he can be president for life.He could destroy American institutions to keep his family in power so his children can continue to enrich themselves.
IVANKA 2024
The Tea Party started on February 19th, 2009 when Obama bailed out people who were upside down on the housing mortgages, as long as a left-wing movement starts after Trump and Ryan start proposing legislation, we'll be fine.
By IWMTB19 Go To PostBanned from GAF for yelling at people that said I pretended the U.S. didn't bomb a Doctors Without Borders in Afghanistan (I made the fucking thread on it) and for yelling at someone who called me an Al-Qaeda sympathizer for disliking Russia bombing hospitals.
Righteous fire should not be ban worthy.
lol dude, you told someone you'd post pictures of dead syrian kids so they could jerk off to them