A bunch of things can be true. Kamala as a candidate being lackluster and Americans by and large still being incredibly misogynistic. These two are not mutually exclusive issues.
By i can get you a toe Go To PostA bunch of things can be true. Kamala as a candidate being lackluster and Americans by and large still being incredibly misogynistic. These two are not mutually exclusive issues.Exactly. Which isn't to say you shouldn't pick a woman as your nominee but if you are ... why Kamala and Hillary? Just why? There's better women in the party to take that mantle.
Again, Kamala spent more time campaigning with Liz Cheney than Gretchen Wittmer. The fuck man.
Downplaying the misogyny of Americans is how we all let Roe wither and die. It's why little girls are being forced to go into labor after being sexually assaulted and pregnant women are dying from sepsis in lobbies and parking lots. This is will occur even more under Trump as states (even without a fed ban) with GOP leadership refuse to actually ensure and enforce the direct measures the people passed and the DoJ/SC won't give a shit.
I blame both
Won't say it's the Dems fault that most mass media seems to actively seek to make people into Nazis
Won't say it's the Dems fault that most mass media seems to actively seek to make people into Nazis
By reilo Go To PostBiden has a pandemic to help. We've been trying to recreate Obama since Obama lolBy Fenderputty Go To PostI mean yeah these wins could absolutely be messaged better, but do you honestly think better messaging turns this outcome around? The simple demonizing message is just too easy to swallow for a lot of people unfortunately. Which is a large reason why I think the right will continue to stay in power until they fuck up the economy again a la 2007. Sometime people just need to see / feel it to believe it.YES! Obama and Biden managed to do it. Why are we acting this is so hard?
The democrats also not doing much to combat consistent lies about abortion doesn't help. D&Cs are also for retained placentas, ectopic pregnancies and other complications. But we're literally in the land of girls and women should just die, because that's what they get for merely existing with a reproductive system and they're lesser peoples for reasons, as a result.
Sorry if it's too obvious but
I get why weapons aren't banned (NRA money etc) and looking the other way for Israel
But what's with abortion ? It can't possibly be for actual religious reasons
I get why weapons aren't banned (NRA money etc) and looking the other way for Israel
But what's with abortion ? It can't possibly be for actual religious reasons
By Fenderputty Go To PostYES! Obama and Biden managed to do it. Why are we acting this is so hard?Biden has a pandemic to help. We've been trying to recreate Obama since Obama lolbuuuuullshit
Biden was all over the place with unions and blue collar workers. He purposefully tapped into "Scranton Joe" and went hard after the voters Hillary abandoned that Bernie was honing in on.
And recreate Obama? With what? This is nonsense. Whatever campaign Obama ran, Hillary and Kamala did not.
By C4-621 Go To PostSorry if it's too obvious butAbortion rights are being passed left and right even in states like Montana. This again is a failure of messaging by Kamala's team to make that a central issue. It was a huge winner for them and they took it for granted that women would come out like they did in '22 post-Roe.
I get why weapons aren't banned (NRA money etc) and looking the other way for Israel
But what's with abortion ? It can't possibly be for actual religious reasons
Subjugation of women's sexuality and reducing their choices around their own bodies is just one of many control mechanisms inherent to fascist/authoritarian governments. Religion is a convenient excuse if it's what a bunch of people are socialized with already.
By Fenderputty Go To PostBiden has a pandemic to help. We've been trying to recreate Obama since Obama lolBeto and Pete do not count 😂
By reilo Go To PostbuuuuullshitShe marched with Unions lol. Like I get she focused too much on capturing the disaffected republican vote, but she wasn't out there ignoring unions. Perhaps she could have focused more closely on those blue collar workers had she not tried to go after the disaffected republican, but I"m not convinced any messaging was going to overcome inflation and a simple message of scapegoating immigrants.
Biden was all over the place with unions and blue collar workers. He purposefully tapped into "Scranton Joe" and went hard after the voters Hillary abandoned that Bernie was honing in on.
And recreate Obama? With what? This is nonsense. Whatever campaign Obama ran, Hillary and Kamala did not.
Obama is special. Even people that don't like him admit they can't help but listen to the man talk.
I'm curious reilo m8. 2 days ago, rodeoclown said Harris ran a really good campaign and you gave zero pushback, infact seemingly agreeing.
she marched with unions
Breh I really can't with you. That's so performative and baseline minimum nonsense.
Breh I really can't with you. That's so performative and baseline minimum nonsense.
what did trumps brilliant campaign did tho
there was a rally where all he did was just listen to music for 30 minutes
there was a rally where all he did was just listen to music for 30 minutes
By DY_nasty Go To PostBeto and Pete do not count 😂An effort was made, fruitless, but ti was made lol
I wish Michelle would run but she's way too fucking smart to jump into this hellhole
By FortuneFaded Go To PostI'm curious reilo m8. 2 days ago, rodeoclown said Harris ran a really good campaign and you gave zero pushback, infact seemingly agreeing.why don't you dig up all the posts where I begged not to pick her as the nominee?
If you want to selectively play this game of gotcha with me instead of having an honest discussion about how the election went down, keep going down this path and see where that takes you
By FortuneFaded Go To PostI'm curious reilo m8. 2 days ago, rodeoclown said Harris ran a really good campaign and you gave zero pushback, infact seemingly agreeing.yeah she was there
And now we can see she was generating significantly less traction lol. I'm actually curious as to the exact contents of the Koolaid in the Dem internal polls too because this was such a close race.
btw I haven't seen reilo condemn Hamas lately either
By DY_nasty Go To Postyeah she was thereI"'m curious about those internals as well. Also curious what messages they tried / didn't try in focus groups.
And now we can see she was generating significantly less traction lol. I'm actually curious as to the exact contents of the Koolaid in the Dem internal polls too because this was such a close race.
btw I haven't seen reilo condemn Hamas lately either
By reilo Go To Postwhy don't you dig up all the posts where I begged not to pick her as the nominee?You believing she was the wrong nominee and her running a bad campaign are two different arguments. That would be being selective. I didn't drag out a post from months ago. I literally just went back to the day of the election. Your calling it a gotcha is like JD Vance did when a reporter asked what makes him happy.
If you want to selectively play this game of gotcha with me instead of having an honest discussion about how the election went down, keep going down this path and see where that takes you
By FortuneFaded Go To PostYou believing she was the wrong nominee and her running a bad campaign are two different arguments. That would be being selective. I didn't drag out a post from months ago. I literally just went back to the day of the election. Your calling it a gotcha is like JD Vance did when a reporter asked what makes him happy.It is literally the same thing because I predicted she would run a bad campaign.
And hey motherfucker, she lost. How can you run a good campaign and lose? But if you wanna post like you're on Era and troll, be my guest. Read between the lines on that one.
I mean ... I do believe you can run a good campaign and lose, especially if you're not a particularly good candidate and the opposing party doesn't even need to run a campaign because hate sells and networks sanitize him to the normies.
By DY_nasty Go To Postyeah she was thereI think it was Slotkin that raised red flags that she was underwater in Michigan a month ago. She responded by campaigning with Liz Cheney.
And now we can see she was generating significantly less traction lol. I'm actually curious as to the exact contents of the Koolaid in the Dem internal polls too because this was such a close race.
btw I haven't seen reilo condemn Hamas lately either
https://www.axios.com/2024/09/29/michigan-senate-race-slotkin-harris
I do think Dems massively underestimated again how Trump appeals to people. He’s working on their fears and being outsiders against the ”evil” system.
By Xpike Go To Postkamala was a woman and not white, she was always gonna be the wrong candidate for most americansThis is the laziest take
how do we know you're not the campaign manager that keeps asking Beyonce to show up
By Xpike Go To PostI blame both
Won't say it's the Dems fault that most mass media seems to actively seek to make people into Nazis
After the election...holy shit. It's actually so wild how quickly they turned on the antisemitism and the most overt bigotry ever. The panelists are fucking trash.
By reilo Go To PostI think it was Slotkin that raised red flags that she was underwater in Michigan a month ago. She responded by campaigning with Liz Cheney.Reilo please condemn hamas too
https://www.axios.com/2024/09/29/michigan-senate-race-slotkin-harris
By i can get you a toe Go To PostA bunch of things can be true. Kamala as a candidate being lackluster and Americans by and large still being incredibly misogynistic. These two are not mutually exclusive issues.
By Xpike Go To Postkamala was a woman and not white, she was always gonna be the wrong candidate for most americans
By i can get you a toe Go To PostSubjugation of women's sexuality and reducing their choices around their own bodies is just one of many control mechanisms inherent to fascist/authoritarian governments. Religion is a convenient excuse if it's what a bunch of people are socialized with already.It's rotten years for women out there, no doubt about it.
Only the easiest answers that absolve persistent avoidable pitfalls pls
Definitely don't want people thinking that repeating mistakes is bad or something
Definitely don't want people thinking that repeating mistakes is bad or something
By inky Go To PostIt's rotten years for women out there, no doubt about it.For America I see it as the chickens coming home to roost when its spent much of its energy and time destabilizing other regions/countries with the same result. Can we really get away with constantly installing or helping to install authoritarian governments and topple democracies while keeping ours at home? I doubt it.
sometimes the lazy/easy answer is the right one
look at how many people just despise others getting the same chances they have had
look at how many people just despise others getting the same chances they have had
By Xpike Go To Postsometimes the lazy/easy answer is the right onethat's literally why people cannot stand kamala omg
look at how many people just despise others getting the same chances they have had
None of that solves the issue of democrats running the same failed campaign of "he'll be worse." This time with an added "we'll try to scrape back some basic rights for y'all." Also Joe is so asleep right now what the fuck is going on.
By i can get you a toe Go To PostNone of that solves the issue of democrats running the same failed campaign of "he'll be worse." This time with an added "we'll try to scrape back some basic rights for y'all." Also Joe is so asleep right now what the fuck is going on.Joe's King Petty maybe only second to Trump lol
He's not gonna do shit to help the Dems now. That ego is too big.
If identity was a big deal for voters in this election, then I feel like Harris would have outperformed Biden with women and minorities, but she underperformed in each case
Democrats aren't the best of allies and the constant fear mongering about the other side will do you worse has run its course far as voter fatigue.
she was widely derided as being a cop before being selected as VP. she did nothing to dissuade people from keeping that general feeling about her the last four years, even if people didn't use that same word to describe her.
By s y Go To Post- barely win because of a global pandemic
-do nothing for 4 years
-usher in new candidate that couldn't beat walking corpse prior months before election
By sohois Go To PostIf identity was a big deal for voters in this election, then I feel like Harris would have outperformed Biden with women and minorities, but she underperformed in each casethe secret is you can be a minority, and still be in your own world, just look at all the Latino Trump voters
The one thing always true is that Democrats run to the center and the right always paints them as the most ultra left-wing candidates ever.
Just be left and tell the right to go fuck themselves.
Just be left and tell the right to go fuck themselves.
When they go low, we go high...
Is looking more and more like the most out of touch statement ever made towards a political party.
Not knowing when to stoop down to that level is exactly why the Dems get no respect from these trash-dog-Dana White types that are more than willing to turnout and vote.
Is looking more and more like the most out of touch statement ever made towards a political party.
Not knowing when to stoop down to that level is exactly why the Dems get no respect from these trash-dog-Dana White types that are more than willing to turnout and vote.
By DY_nasty Go To PostGenuinely cannot comprehend why Dems just assumed the youth vote was in the bagGavin would have gotten ran too.
That level of hubris is mind numbing Gavin in his manor laughing hysterically