Biden should’ve stayed in the race let Trump go to town on him, get that pity vote. Aside from that there was nothing that could be done, might as well save a decent candidate for later. Shit was fated.
By Crusher Go To PostBiden should’ve stayed in the race let Trump go to town on him, get that pity vote. Aside from that there was nothing that could be done, might as well save a decent candidate for later. Shit was fated.Uhuh nothing that could be done sure
By Crusher Go To PostBiden should’ve stayed in the race let Trump go to town on him, get that pity vote. Aside from that there was nothing that could be done, might as well save a decent candidate for later. Shit was fated.
Nah, Harris was just the worst possible choice, nobody likes her and the easiest way to get at her was
Maga mind
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Biden friend with Harris?
Harris not white👿? Harris has vagina??😡 Harris make high inflation Harris very bad 😤
The main thing I'm genuinely upset about is the sequence of events. Biden and his campaign publicly stated that he intended to be a one term president in the first place.
Then Kamala is selected through an absurd method of VP must be a minority woman. No not her. No not her. No, the other one. Yes, the candidate who got steamrolled by everyone and wasn't even safe in her home state.
Then after fending off months of questions about Biden's health, and having to deliberately hide Kamala because of her habit of fumbling layup visits, then everyone* gets blindsided right in time for the DNC.
If we're doing all this - why her lmao. What was the real plan? Because holy fuck that's a lot of loops to jump through for money laundering.
Then Kamala is selected through an absurd method of VP must be a minority woman. No not her. No not her. No, the other one. Yes, the candidate who got steamrolled by everyone and wasn't even safe in her home state.
Then after fending off months of questions about Biden's health, and having to deliberately hide Kamala because of her habit of fumbling layup visits, then everyone* gets blindsided right in time for the DNC.
If we're doing all this - why her lmao. What was the real plan? Because holy fuck that's a lot of loops to jump through for money laundering.
By DY_nasty Go To Postpost election racism win or lose is our culture pls understandPre election too
Joe Rogan, Dana White, Hulkamania, military grade racism, Americaaaa, transphobia, and the big boy bully Trump himself. What did the dems get Kamala? The Avengers? They let the blip happen and there’s no time travel in this goddamn timeline. Beyoncé? All the single ladies together can’t hang with married women carrying the wrath brought by toddlers. And her husband was caught on tape toasting in a P Diddy party.
On a serious note, they have been terrible reaching out to people through social media, which is wild because Obama was the first was he not? The way dems handled Gaza has been a shit show, basically losing support on both sides. The economy happened. Their stance on immigration offers no good answers to those who might be most affected by it. The list goes on.
Yes Kamala was not a good candidate, and the way they went about it spoke volumes of the current state of the party. From the outside looking in it seems to me though that republicans and their backers have been doing some nasty but effective groundwork for a minute now, and dems have been too happy trying to maintain the status quo while talking down on people. Maybe I’m wrong and I certainly don’t know enough, but looking at the state of affairs pinning your hopes on a Hail Mary campaign led by an uber charismatic persona sounds to me like it was always going to be a long shot.
On a serious note, they have been terrible reaching out to people through social media, which is wild because Obama was the first was he not? The way dems handled Gaza has been a shit show, basically losing support on both sides. The economy happened. Their stance on immigration offers no good answers to those who might be most affected by it. The list goes on.
Yes Kamala was not a good candidate, and the way they went about it spoke volumes of the current state of the party. From the outside looking in it seems to me though that republicans and their backers have been doing some nasty but effective groundwork for a minute now, and dems have been too happy trying to maintain the status quo while talking down on people. Maybe I’m wrong and I certainly don’t know enough, but looking at the state of affairs pinning your hopes on a Hail Mary campaign led by an uber charismatic persona sounds to me like it was always going to be a long shot.
I have heard this about how Kamala is a bad candidate for about 48 hours now.
I am sorry. No one is should be considered a "bad candidate" if they are running against a rapist.
Anyway, white men from now on, dems.
Find other ways to break barriers.
I am sorry. No one is should be considered a "bad candidate" if they are running against a rapist.
Anyway, white men from now on, dems.
Find other ways to break barriers.
By Dazenheimer Go To PostAnyway, white men from now on, dems.First openly gay president here we go
Find other ways to break barriers.
By inky Go To Postlol unless he voted 72 million times pretty sure we made him kingImagineTrump made himself King
The sequence of events is largely why I think the criticism should be at Dem leadership / Biden rather than Kamala. You want a real convention and selection? Needed more time and leaving Biden in so long is large part of the reason we got what we got. DY is right. Biden was always supposed to be a one term deal, so why didn't it play out like that?
I like Pete. He's a great communicator.
I like Pete. He's a great communicator.
By Dazenheimer Go To PostI have heard this about how Kamala is a bad candidate for about 48 hours now.And this exactly the issue
I am sorry. No one is should be considered a "bad candidate" if they are running against a rapist.
Anyway, white men from now on, dems.
Find other ways to break barriers.
Because she's bad all women are? Because she can't beat a rapist, her campaign was solid and nothing could've been done better? Her administration literally could've made trying Trump and his enablers the highest priority in the first place lmao. Hell they could've used their own blueprint of boosting Trump to undercut Cruz on DeSantis to undercut Trump too.
please give them full credit for one of the greatest political shit shows in our lifetime
They literally couldn't beat a felon
I"ll say this, once the SCOTUS ruling came down, Biden should have done some things the dem party and he himself are too proud to do.
By FortuneFaded Go To PostWhy didn't she rig the election like Biden did?Because she was a bad candidate.
the dems are a bunch of out of touch corporate croonies that no one in the country actually likes and once again they boiled down their campaign to "we're not trump" when that already didnt work on 2016, when they don't even have the balls to promise a stop to a genocide
What bothers me most about blaming the electorate, which tells me none of you that are or (and the democratic party) has understood a very fundamental thing:
It hasn't changed since 2008.
If anything, it's only gotten younger and more diverse which is supposed to have been a boon to democrats. It's even expanded with even higher voter turnouts which is supposed to have been a boon to democrats.
Which tells me that they've abandoned the policies that made them appeal to the demographics of '08 because they truly don't understand that it's about labor (but not horses).
It hasn't changed since 2008.
If anything, it's only gotten younger and more diverse which is supposed to have been a boon to democrats. It's even expanded with even higher voter turnouts which is supposed to have been a boon to democrats.
Which tells me that they've abandoned the policies that made them appeal to the demographics of '08 because they truly don't understand that it's about labor (but not horses).
By DY_nasty Go To PostAnd this exactly the issueThat literally makes her a worse candidate because she couldn't beat Trump ffs bold pls
Because she's bad all women are? Because she can't beat a rapist, her campaign was solid and nothing could've been done better? Her administration literally could've made trying Trump and his enablers the highest priority in the first place lmao. Hell they could've used their own blueprint of boosting Trump to undercut Cruz on DeSantis to undercut Trump too.
please give them full credit for one of the greatest political shit shows in our lifetime
They literally couldn't beat a felon
By reilo Go To PostIf anything, it's only gotten younger and more diverse which is supposed to have been a boon to democrats.In theory yeah, but look who these kids grew up with. All these twitch streamers, kick streamers, just all around shitbags who have been telling these kids what to think since they were like 2 because parents don’t wanna parent anymore and just shove an iPad in their baby’s face.
These kids who were coming of age when Donald Trump won in 2016. Growing up our generation was at least given the impression if you wanted to be a piece of shit, you had to do it in secret. These kids were told “be the worst human you can possibly be and you too might be able to become president of the United States”
We all thought things would change when boomers died out, but they had this shit manipulated masterfully and now gen z is gonna take over that mantle.
That's still the democrats fault though, bro. They keep a) taking a large swath of the electorate for granted and b) when shit doesn't go their way they talk down on them. It's on Dem leadership to figure out how to get through to them and convince them to vote.
The younger generation, especially white (and white wannabe) men, are leaning too far right. So while the dems and the process that saw Kamala as the emergency candidate are 100% the reason the campaign didn't resonate with anyone new, I can absolutely blame the electorate to some degree.
Reactionaries, bigots, hate, the far right media in a nutshell have always existed but they keep adding to their ranks at breakneck speed. Dems by action and inaction add tinder to the fire, but empathy is also out the window and a losing platform these days. I can't discount that out of hand, especially from personal experience with immigrant family and friends.
Reactionaries, bigots, hate, the far right media in a nutshell have always existed but they keep adding to their ranks at breakneck speed. Dems by action and inaction add tinder to the fire, but empathy is also out the window and a losing platform these days. I can't discount that out of hand, especially from personal experience with immigrant family and friends.
Multiple things can be true at once.
But we instead have Pod Save America as the de facto "YASS GIRLING" all over Kamala's campaign and letting everyone know she was doing great this entire time.
But we instead have Pod Save America as the de facto "YASS GIRLING" all over Kamala's campaign and letting everyone know she was doing great this entire time.
The same Democrats that leaned into that lane got slapped up internally since Clinton lost. Easiest scapegoat.
And like... Idk
The same people that talked themselves into Kamala were oblivious to or plainly supportive of the DNC punching down within their own camps. It's institutional at this point.
And like... Idk
The same people that talked themselves into Kamala were oblivious to or plainly supportive of the DNC punching down within their own camps. It's institutional at this point.
By reilo Go To PostThat's still the democrats fault though, bro. They keep a) taking a large swath of the electorate for granted and b) when shit doesn't go their way they talk down on them. It's on Dem leadership to figure out how to get through to them and convince them to vote.Wasn’t trying to absolve them of anything
If anything, dem leadership and dem voters both continually take demographics for granted. There’s no one that hates immigrants more than immigrants. Republicans figured that out and they don’t even talk to them.
Everyone just assumed Latin American voters would form voltron with Puerto Rico after the garbage comment, not realizing that a lot of them don’t really give a fuck about Puerto Rico. If anything, between calling us garbage and throwing Haitians under the bus, they easily locked down the Dominican vote.
By Rob Go To PostWasn’t trying to absolve them of anythingThe meme of saying Trump is the first Dominican president is all too real
If anything, dem leadership and dem voters both continually take demographics for granted. There’s no one that hates immigrants more than immigrants. Republicans figured that out and they don’t even talk to them.
Everyone just assumed Latin American voters would form voltron with Puerto Rico after the garbage comment, not realizing that a lot of them don’t really give a fuck about Puerto Rico. If anything, between calling us garbage and throwing Haitians under the bus, they easily locked down the Dominican vote.
By reilo Go To PostBe nice if Harris mentioned any of this while campaigningm8, you were arguing the complete opposite before. You were saying they should blame the poor economy on Trump.
By DY_nasty Go To PostAnd this exactly the issueWhere did I say all women are bad?
Because she's bad all women are? Because she can't beat a rapist, her campaign was solid and nothing could've been done better? Her administration literally could've made trying Trump and his enablers the highest priority in the first place lmao. Hell they could've used their own blueprint of boosting Trump to undercut Cruz on DeSantis to undercut Trump too.
please give them full credit for one of the greatest political shit shows in our lifetime
They literally couldn't beat a felon
two women have gone up against a rapist and the American public has decided, they'd rather have the rapist.
The dems suck we get it - they are a by-product of a two-party system, and i get it, sometimes being the lesser of the two evils is not enough.
what has happened and will happen is a sad indictment not just on the democrats but on American society as whole. see Inky's post. Your society has fostered this environment.
When I say white men from now, I wasn't trying to be glib, just stating facts from the two examples shown. - your country ain't ready for it.
By Rob Go To PostWasn’t trying to absolve them of anything
If anything, dem leadership and dem voters both continually take demographics for granted. There’s no one that hates immigrants more than immigrants. Republicans figured that out and they don’t even talk to them.
Everyone just assumed Latin American voters would form voltron with Puerto Rico after the garbage comment, not realizing that a lot of them don’t really give a fuck about Puerto Rico. If anything, between calling us garbage and throwing Haitians under the bus, they easily locked down the Dominican vote.
This kinda of encapsulates what I was getting at yesterday. If a simplified demonizing of a group works for larger marco issues, how do you combat that with messaging? What message do you use that isn't just another form of blaming low hanging marginalized fruit? Like in Reilo's post above ... the campaign did touch on those things. Even highlighting the GOP d-bags that voted no and then took credit at local levels. I watched an interview with a trump voter working on a federal project biden / harris created. He didn't give two fucks.
Part of what Bernie said is right. The dems have been too centrist for too long. Even though Biden / Harris did do positive things, with inflation at high levels it's easy to gloss over those thing due to decades of capitulating to the donor class.
By FortuneFaded Go To Postm8, you were arguing the complete opposite before. You were saying they should blame the poor economy on Trump.I said blame inflation on Trump. That doesn't mean you don't talk about your policy wins ffs. But keep blaming everyone else.
By Fenderputty Go To PostThis kinda of encapsulates what I was getting at yesterday. If a simplified demonizing of a group works for larger marco issues, how do you combat that with messaging? What message do you use that isn't just another form of blaming low hanging marginalized fruit? Like in Reilo's post above … the campaign did touch on those things. Even highlighting the GOP d-bags that voted no and then took credit at local levels. I watched an interview with a trump voter working on a federal project biden / harris created. He didn't give two fucks."Touched upon those things" in a stump speech is not the same as central core messaging and hammering your platform home. They spent 90% of their energy posting video clips of Trump at his rallies. The other time was spent campaigning with republicans against Trump like Cheney instead of the Wittmers of the world in Michigan.
Part of what Bernie said is right. The dems have been too centrist for too long. Even though Biden / Harris did do positive things, with inflation at high levels it's easy to gloss over those thing due to decades of capitulating to the donor class.
By reilo Go To Postfirst problem is thinking facts matter.
Be nice if Harris mentioned any of this while campaigning
By Dazenheimer Go To PostWhere did I say all women are bad?Hillary and Kamala are quantifiably terrible - and it wasn't some strange outlier or opinion. It's always this 'society chose evil' when in reality the Dem base is forced to eat a shit sandwich while being simultaneously gaslit by the same people that get exactly one punch in the mouth before folding lol
two women have gone up against a rapist and the American public has decided, they'd rather have the rapist.
The dems suck we get it - they are a by-product of a two-party system, and i get it, sometimes being the lesser of the two evils is not enough.
what has happened and will happen is a sad indictment not just on the democrats but on American society as whole. see Inky's post. Your society has fostered this environment.
When I say white men from now, I wasn't trying to be glib, just stating facts from the two examples shown. - your country ain't ready for it.
It's not some gigantic unfathomable issue. It's the irony of people with little if any skin in the game having the audacity of being surprised then saying no woman could win after excluding or hamstringing those who objectively performed better.
This is why people splinter or stay home.
Allowing Trump and Vance to have six hours across all the major platforms that every young core voter has in their pocket was a mistake. Every future candidate will have to do Rogan's podcast and come in with a plan.
By reilo Go To Post"Touched upon those things" in a stump speech is not the same as central core messaging and hammering your platform home. They spent 90% of their energy posting video clips of Trump at his rallies. The other time was spent campaigning with republicans against Trump like Cheney instead of the Wittmers of the world in Michigan.
I mean yeah these wins could absolutely be messaged better, but do you honestly think better messaging turns this outcome around? The simple demonizing message is just too easy to swallow for a lot of people unfortunately. Which is a large reason why I think the right will continue to stay in power until they fuck up the economy again a la 2007. Sometime people just need to see / feel it to believe it.
Oh wow 3 tweets 9 months apart (two before she was even the candidate rofl) versus 30 tweets about Trump per day.
Good job, good effort. Get the fuck out.
Good job, good effort. Get the fuck out.
By Fenderputty Go To PostI mean yeah these wins could absolutely be messaged better, but do you honestly think better messaging turns this outcome around? The simple demonizing message is just too easy to swallow for a lot of people unfortunately. Which is a large reason why I think the right will continue to stay in power until they fuck up the economy again a la 2007. Sometime people just need to see / feel it to believe it.YES! Obama and Biden managed to do it. Why are we acting this is so hard?
Obama got elected in a completely different world
Biden too ngl, COVID was entirely different conditions
Biden too ngl, COVID was entirely different conditions
By DY_nasty Go To PostHillary and Kamala are quantifiably terrible - and it wasn't some strange outlier or opinion. It's always this 'society chose evil' when in reality the Dem base is forced to eat a shit sandwich while being simultaneously gaslit by the same people that get exactly one punch in the mouth before folding lolThe actual best women in the democratic party don't lean center right enough for the DNC/money that's involved in the bullshit. Hell the best dudes too.
It's not some gigantic unfathomable issue. It's the irony of people with little if any skin in the game having the audacity of being surprised then saying no woman could win after excluding or hamstringing those who objectively performed better.
This is why people splinter or stay home.
By Dazenheimer Go To PostI have heard this about how Kamala is a bad candidate for about 48 hours now.Many posters here have been calling Kamala a bad candidate for many reasons that have nothing to do with her gender or race from the fucking jump. She was a bad candidate and the Dems ran a bad campaign that tried to appeal to the never trumpers more than energizing their own voting base. They supressed their own turnout with their decisions.
I am sorry. No one is should be considered a "bad candidate" if they are running against a rapist.
Anyway, white men from now on, dems.
Find other ways to break barriers.
By inky Go To PostThe younger generation, especially white (and white wannabe) men, are leaning too far right. So while the dems and the process that saw Kamala as the emergency candidate are 100% the reason the campaign didn't resonate with anyone new, I can absolutely blame the electorate to some degree.From my casual viewing of news headlines and social media reactions, the Dems did more to appeal to the right this election than they did to anyone on the left. If the younger generation was really leaning even more to the right, the Dems should have done better.
Reactionaries, bigots, hate, the far right media in a nutshell have always existed but they keep adding to their ranks at breakneck speed. Dems by action and inaction add tinder to the fire, but empathy is also out the window and a losing platform these days. I can't discount that out of hand, especially from personal experience with immigrant family and friends.