By Not Go To PostWell, it's not like it's happening any time soon anywaythis is the most strapped country in the world by far. i brought it up in the past, but i'd be all about removing all public guns from the equation finally - it'd be necessary to even get to the point where what you're talking about is possible. thing is that's a bloody bandaid that america just doesn't have the stomach to rip off. that is years of nasty, horrific, dirty work that will never be popular anywhere in this country especially once people see the kind of work it'd have to be. the payoff wouldn't even be apparent for a solid generation either at best.
also, cops take too damn long to respond to violent situations in most places in the US as is. after the second or third escalating response, you may as well just send ambulances...
*also brown people would get the worst of it still lol
By Not Go To PostFuck it, I'll say it. Deadly force should not be used, period
Deaths would go down overall if they didn't have lethal ammunition every time they left the precinct. Cops included.
By DY_nasty Go To Postlol fuck that
this ain't Switzerland
Yeah, with the proliferation of guns in the US, unarmed officers is a terrible idea. We SHOULD have a small portion of officers within police depts that are unarmed for responses to petty crimes and the like. But no, if you have someone with a gun in his hands and he's running, he can definitely turn or even shoot backward at you at any time and take a life.
I'll say this, if you get caught with a gun - specifically a handgun - that you have no business possessing and no license to own, you should be sent to prison and have to serve a mandatory sentence.
In Baltimore that means more young black men in jail. But that's just math.
160 homicides in the city this year, 40 in June alone. The vast majority of them black men.
In Baltimore that means more young black men in jail. But that's just math.
160 homicides in the city this year, 40 in June alone. The vast majority of them black men.
problem is once again the us's completely ridiculous gun culture making any change harder than in any other country
America is never getting rid of guns. Ever. Like, not even if alien overlords came down and forced them to give them up. (Ironically that would be the most valid excuse for owning so many). Never gonna happen, it's not even worth entertaining it.
It has to start somewhere else. Licenses, tests, training, buy back programs, curbing inequality, hunting restrictions, police reform, healthcare, mental health legislation, education, limiting lobbying, etc. Million things worth thinking about beforehand when it comes to how to police heavily armed populace.
It has to start somewhere else. Licenses, tests, training, buy back programs, curbing inequality, hunting restrictions, police reform, healthcare, mental health legislation, education, limiting lobbying, etc. Million things worth thinking about beforehand when it comes to how to police heavily armed populace.
By diehard Go To PostJesus would be using something with rails and PMags, come on.
Jesus turned water into wine, fed 5000 with a few loaves of bread and one fish, I'm thinking automatic fire with endless ammo ain't no thang.
I'm not anti-gun. You want to own a gun and keep it in your home? Cool. You hunt? Cool.
I'm anti-motherfuckers with multiple gun charges being let out on bail or serving a fraction of their sentences.
He's young. He made a mistake. His home situation....
I don't give a fuck. If you touch a gun that doesn't belong to you, go to jail for a long time.
Release all the drug dealers and drug addicts to make space.
I'm anti-motherfuckers with multiple gun charges being let out on bail or serving a fraction of their sentences.
He's young. He made a mistake. His home situation....
I don't give a fuck. If you touch a gun that doesn't belong to you, go to jail for a long time.
Release all the drug dealers and drug addicts to make space.
By Xpike Go To Postif everyone was a Satanist the world would be more interesting
A crew chief for the NASCAR Xfinity Series team running cars supporting the “Back the Blue” movement has been suspended indefinitely by NASCAR after his arrest.
NASCAR announced Friday that Mike Harmon Racing crew chief Theodore Brown had been suspended indefinitely for a violation of its behavioral rules. Per Motorsport.com, Brown was arrested for habitual misdemeanor assault — a felony — and assault on a female on June 8.
According to arrest records in the Statesville Record & Landmark, a Theodore Brown, of the same age and street location was also arrested in November of 2018 on two counts of assault by strangulation inflicting serious injury.
MHR started running a Blue Lives Matter car at Homestead on June 13, five days after Brown’s arrest and three days after Bubba Wallace drove a Black Lives Matter car at Martinsville in the Cup Series on the same day that NASCAR banned the Confederate flag.Thee things:
Brown was the crew chief for Kyle Weatherman’s No. 47 Blue Lives Matter car in each of the two Xfinity Series races at Homestead.
1. Totally shocked this guy is an asshole
2. Throughout all this NASCAR is allowing a Blue Lives Matter car???
3. Did anyone interview that team about the noose? I have a gut feeling.
I'm still side eyeing people on that "it's a legit garage pull" track. I've seen a lot of shit, including some impressive and just plain stupid DIY/improvising and yet never that.
I thought it was a mistake, but it's definitely a noose and not a pull. And when that's the only noose in hundreds of car garages, then it doesn't deserve the benefit of the doubt.
By GQman2121 Go To PostI'm not anti-gun. You want to own a gun and keep it in your home? Cool. You hunt? Cool.Naw, until jail gets reform as well I am not for feeding it.
I'm anti-motherfuckers with multiple gun charges being let out on bail or serving a fraction of their sentences.
He's young. He made a mistake. His home situation….
I don't give a fuck. If you touch a gun that doesn't belong to you, go to jail for a long time.
Release all the drug dealers and drug addicts to make space.
By blackace Go To PostNaw, until jail gets reform as well I am not for feeding it.Yeah I get that but repeat gun charges? Nobody trying to accept a repeat felon killing a family member.
Weed dispensaries were kept open as essential businesses here and dudes still in jail with decades to go. I'm all for fixing that - blatant reckless gun shenanigans? That's not a compromise point.
By DY_nasty Go To PostYeah I get that but repeat gun charges? Nobody trying to accept a repeat felon killing a family member.Until prisons are used to actually rehabilitate rather than for cheap labor than I am not with giving it more fodder. Doesn't mean I think guns should be on the streets, but when you start talking about just having an illegal gun and you are gone for decades on your first offense I can't get behind it..
Weed dispensaries were kept open as essential businesses here and dudes still in jail with decades to go. I'm all for fixing that - blatant reckless gun shenanigans? That's not a compromise point.
By blackace Go To PostUntil prisons are used to actually rehabilitate rather than for cheap labor than I am not with giving it more fodder. Doesn't mean I think guns should be on the streets, but when you start talking about just having an illegal gun and you are gone for decades on your first offense I can't get behind it..Prisons reform is a different argument. I think we all acknowledge repeat gun offenses is extremely hard to minimize though.
By DY_nasty Go To PostPrisons reform is a different argument. I think we all acknowledge repeat gun offenses is extremely hard to minimize though.Adding years or harsher punishments to anything ties into prison reform, compartmentalizing it leads to things like 3 strike laws and whatnot.
By blackace Go To PostAdding years or harsher punishments to anything ties into prison reform, compartmentalizing it leads to things like 3 strike laws and whatnot.depends on the offense
guns? kick rocks lol
By DY_nasty Go To Postdepends on the offenseNope, doesn't depend on the offense, it depends on what chance you actually have to rehabilitate.
guns? kick rocks lol
Like just having an illegal guns you a decade, and when you get out your life is ruined which just leads to repeat offenses, naw that can kick rocks
By blackace Go To PostNope, doesn't depend on the offense, it depends on what chance you actually have to rehabilitate.we're talking repeat offenses for guns
Like just having an illegal guns you a decade, and when you get out your life is ruined which just leads to repeat offenses, naw that can kick rocks
not selling weed, drug possession, not dodging payments - holding weapons illegally multiple times. certain repeat crimes should and rightfully drastically change the rehabilitation argument.
an individual's ability/chance to rehabilitate does not outweigh dangers to others. simple solution is just not to do that shit...
By DY_nasty Go To Postwe're talking repeat offenses for gunsIt's literally putting the cart before the horse and it is part of how our legal system has become so horrible for the lower because it creates career criminals.
not selling weed, drug possession, not dodging payments - holding weapons illegally multiple times. certain repeat crimes should and rightfully drastically change the rehabilitation argument.
an individual's ability/chance to rehabilitate does not outweigh dangers to others. simple solution is just not to do that shit…
My stance was more I refuse to support a blanket law ie you get x amount years no matter what for anything until reform because age and circumstances are the best defense especially for a young first time offender.
Don't touch guns in the first place should eventually be the lesson.
The prison system is definitely stuffed with people that absolutely got shafted, likely by their own reps every step of the way.
That man in Alabama that's done 35+ years for a $9 robbery with no gun involved - that's flat out the system failing. And outright racism in the clearest terms.
But what the fuck are you doing bringing a stolen out of state handgun to a cookout (during a pandemic) 30 days removed from doing a bid for....carrying a stolen handgun?!
You're going to rehabilitate someone like that? Fuck him and his life. I'm glad the cop shot his stupid ass.
The prison system is definitely stuffed with people that absolutely got shafted, likely by their own reps every step of the way.
That man in Alabama that's done 35+ years for a $9 robbery with no gun involved - that's flat out the system failing. And outright racism in the clearest terms.
But what the fuck are you doing bringing a stolen out of state handgun to a cookout (during a pandemic) 30 days removed from doing a bid for....carrying a stolen handgun?!
You're going to rehabilitate someone like that? Fuck him and his life. I'm glad the cop shot his stupid ass.
By blackace Go To PostIt's literally putting the cart before the horse and it is part of how our legal system has become so horrible for the lower because it creates career criminals.how hard is it to not carry weapons illegally bro
My stance was more I refuse to support a blanket law ie you get x amount years no matter what for anything until reform because age and circumstances are the best defense especially for a young first time offender.
By DY_nasty Go To Posthow hard is it to not carry weapons illegally brojust as hard as not committing any crime it appears.
By GQman2121 Go To PostDon't touch guns in the first place should eventually be the lesson.im saying
The prison system is definitely stuffed with people that absolutely got shafted, likely by their own reps every step of the way.
That man in Alabama that's done 35+ years for a $9 robbery with no gun involved - that's flat out the system failing. And outright racism in the clearest terms.
But what the fuck are you doing bringing a stolen out of state handgun to a cookout (during a pandemic) 30 days removed from doing a bid for….carrying a stolen handgun?!
You're going to rehabilitate someone like that? Fuck him and his life. I'm glad the cop shot his stupid ass.
people going to jail for lying about residences to put their kids in better schools... some asshole who illegally carries multiple times is enabled by allowing to do so repeatedly if anything
By GQman2121 Go To PostDon't touch guns in the first place should eventually be the lesson.ok. some people might not be able to be rehabilitated so fuck everybody, makes sense.
The prison system is definitely stuffed with people that absolutely got shafted, likely by their own reps every step of the way.
That man in Alabama that's done 35+ years for a $9 robbery with no gun involved - that's flat out the system failing. And outright racism in the clearest terms.
But what the fuck are you doing bringing a stolen out of state handgun to a cookout (during a pandemic) 30 days removed from doing a bid for….carrying a stolen handgun?!
You're going to rehabilitate someone like that? Fuck him and his life. I'm glad the cop shot his stupid ass.
Also if you have prison reform in place then you have a good leg to stand on for harsher penalties for crimes that deserve it.
By blackace Go To Postok. some people might not be able to be rehabilitated so fuck everybody, makes sense.yeah - fuck em
Also if you have prison reform in place then you have a good leg to stand on for harsher penalties for crimes that deserve it.
you sounding like guns ain't for killing people lmao
By DY_nasty Go To Postyeah - fuck emCome on man it isn't that simple.
you sounding like guns ain't for killing people lmao
By DY_nasty Go To Postim saying
people going to jail for lying about residences to put their kids in better schools… some asshole who illegally carries multiple times is enabled by allowing to do so repeatedly if anything
That's why you would want prison reform to begin with instead of keeping the current horrible, racist, classist system in place. Just stacking years on charges doesn't stop those parents from going to jail for lying about their address...
By blackace Go To PostThat's why you would want prison reform to begin with instead of keeping the current horrible, racist, classist system in place. Just stacking years on charges doesn't stop those parents from going to jail for lying about their address…context is important - and anything involving potential violence and repeat instances is going to weigh differently
By diehard Go To PostCome on man it isn't that simple.for guns?
it is
By DY_nasty Go To Postfor guns?Nah. I don't blame some dude that drives through Chicago for keeping an illegal handgun in his car.
it is
Like you said, context is important.
By diehard Go To PostNah. I don't blame some dude that drives through Chicago for keeping an illegal handgun in his car.you had me til you defaulted to chicago lol
Like you said, context is important.
yes, lets take a general gun control convo and just sprinkle some chicago on it
By DY_nasty Go To Postcontext is important - and anything involving potential violence and repeat instances is going to weigh differentlyContext doesn't sound different... you can't argue context and claim it's binary at the same time
for guns?
it is
By DY_nasty Go To Postyou had me til you defaulted to chicago lolSpecific areas are still part of the context.
yes, lets take a general gun control convo and just sprinkle some chicago on it
By blackace Go To PostContext doesn't sound different… you can't argue context and claim it's binary at the same timeyou can't argue context then use one of the worst cities in the country either
you're talking about prison reform and not drawing the difference between violent and non violent, first time and repeat. that's as disingenuous as it gets. nobody trying to hear their family got shot by someone with multiple charges to their name...
By diehard Go To Postthere are some areas in this country i probably would carry a gun, illegal or not.Luckily when we go up to PA for fireworks we only have to just cross the state line into Shrewsbury and hop right back on 83 south into the city.
But if we had to go all the way up to York or anywhere else in Pennsylvania, forget it. I'm staying my ass in Baltimore. I'm not traveling deep into any state where I have to assume everyone has a gun. Fuck that.
By DY_nasty Go To Postyou can't argue context then use one of the worst cities in the country eitherI am not using the difference between the two as a way to just pile on more ways to cripple the lower income areas of the states is all. I don't disagree that violent crimes have different weight just that I don't think the current system can fairly judge the weights correctly.
you're talking about prison reform and not drawing the difference between violent and non violent, first time and repeat. that's as disingenuous as it gets. nobody trying to hear their family got shot by someone with multiple charges to their name…
By DY_nasty Go To Postgun control is kind of a big deal or is it notWell...
help me remember
By DY_nasty Go To Postyou sounding like guns ain't for killing people lmaoprobably should be
By blackace Go To PostI am not using the difference between the two as a way to just pile on more ways to cripple the lower income areas of the states is all. I don't disagree that violent crimes have different weight just that I don't think the current system can fairly differentiate the weights correctly.i got zero sympathy for someone who gets hit for holding illegally multiple times...
what are you even rehabilitating
By DY_nasty Go To Posti got zero sympathy for someone who gets hit for holding illegally multiple times…Again get shit reformed instead of just piling years on a shit system and I am all for stiff penalties. But just adding years just feeds a horrible system that still is arresting and jailing people for lying about their address.
what are you even rehabilitating