"Wearing a mask is a personal choice and there is no practical way to enforce them"
lol ok
Here, I got it:
"Timmy, if you don't wear a mask I will flunk you out of this class and you'll be held back a grade"
wow, that was easy
And the superintended didn't deny any of what was happening in the picture just provided "context" that they haven't done shit
lol ok
Here, I got it:
"Timmy, if you don't wear a mask I will flunk you out of this class and you'll be held back a grade"
wow, that was easy
And the superintended didn't deny any of what was happening in the picture just provided "context" that they haven't done shit
That and they would have to provide masks for every person on campus as a public school and we know they are incapable of doing that for various reasons.
By blackace Go To PostIf the teachers strike they could enforce it…I forget, is Georgia one of the states that's made it illegal for teachers to strike? Or is that just a West Virginia thing?
By reilo Go To PostThey can't even get the staff to wear them though?They've probably let go a ton of staff already... Can't speak for every state, but schools need kids in seats to justify staff. A lot of people are going private or simply not sending their kids in at all. Also, plenty of teachers can't do it because they'll be in danger themselves.
Schools can barely handle food allergies though man. They're in no way capable of being able to adapt to this shit beyond the most basic level of state guidelines and requirements.
By Kibner Go To PostI forget, is Georgia one of the states that's made it illegal for teachers to strike? Or is that just a West Virginia thing?
Looks like they can't strike.. not that many teachers can afford to strike...
It would also be a thing, if the parents were on the same wave. They aren't though. They'll have to contend with parental idiocy times 10, and they don't deal with the regular situations...like not doing homework.
and recently it isn't like teacher's strikes amount to much. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2018%E2%80%9319_education_workers%27_strikes_in_the_United_States
there's never been anything on this scale though. its interesting to consider, but the amount of damage it would do.... idk if people really want to play that game
there's never been anything on this scale though. its interesting to consider, but the amount of damage it would do.... idk if people really want to play that game
By EldritchTrapStar Go To PostIt would also be a thing, if the parents were on the same wave. They aren't though. They'll have to contend with parental idiocy times 10, and they don't deal with the regular situations…like not doing homework.oh yeah they'll go to war to keep their kids in school but be damned if they have to find time to read to their children
How dire would the circumstances need to get for teachers to strike at a large scale like this? I honestly cannot think of a worse scenario that affects the entire teacher population. If it isn't appropriate to strike now, then never?
By reilo Go To PostHow dire would the circumstances need to get for teachers to strike at a large scale like this? I honestly cannot think of a worse scenario that affects the entire teacher population. If it isn't appropriate to strike now, then never?they usually just go teach at private schools or move to a better state. fuck a strike
Private schools have limited availability and not everyone can uproot their entire family to a "better" state. I imagine less than 10% of teachers have that option, so what do the other 90% have to go through to make a strike happen?
By Daz Go To PostI love that all imaginary American kids are called Timmy.Ken and Karen with their two children, Timmy and Tammy.
By reilo Go To PostPrivate schools have limited availability and not everyone can uproot their entire family to a "better" state. I imagine less than 10% of teachers have that option, so what do the other 90% have to go through to make a strike happen?teaching as a field is on the ropes for the exact reasons you're mentioning lol. damn near every state has to make up all sorts of incentives for people to become teachers. and then people get a glimpse and see how fucked the pay/benefits/demands are and immediately course correct. and there are absolutely better states to teach in than others, i'm not trying to be a dick there. the reason why i went to 7 high schools is because my mom was jumping between being a substitute teacher and a traveling nurse.
her quickest path to career advancement was teaching in fayetteville, nc. so obviously, fuck that
its rough as fuck for teachers man
Learning about how teachers get screwed in the states is pretty wild. Over here the average teacher gets paid almost 80k and the teacher unions are stronger than the government themselves.
By DY_nasty Go To Postteaching as a field is on the ropes for the exact reasons you're mentioning lol. damn near every state has to make up all sorts of incentives for people to become teachers. and then people get a glimpse and see how fucked the pay/benefits/demands are and immediately course correct. and there are absolutely better states to teach in than others, i'm not trying to be a dick there. the reason why i went to 7 high schools is because my mom was jumping between being a substitute teacher and a traveling nurse.Right, and I'm not arguing against any of that. So that's why I ask: why wouldn't they strike right now? Is it because of the belief that if they did they would come back to something worse?
her quickest path to career advancement was teaching in fayetteville, nc. so obviously, fuck that
its rough as fuck teachers man
By Perfect Blue Go To PostLearning about how teachers get screwed in the states is pretty wild. Over here the average teacher gets paid almost 80k and the teacher unions are stronger than the government themselves.It's one of the most disrespected careers in America.
When dumbass Timmy fucks up in class and doesn't do his homework or bullies another kid, the teachers get blamed. DY is right when he says most parents don't want to find time to read to their children but at the same time want to blame the teacher for all the things that's not part of their job.
By reilo Go To PostRight, and I'm not arguing against any of that. So that's why I ask: why wouldn't they strike right now? Is it because of the belief that if they did they would come back to something worse?because striking now of all times is rough as hell man
when the strike goes bad - and it will because it'll compound and rev up all of their parents' issues as well, you'll have a shit ton of teachers all looking for jobs at the same time which just makes it worse for everyone.
i wouldn't put it past a lot of these schools to start handing out magic school bus dvds and adopting the video learning bullshit from colleges then saying "we solved everything" either
i wouldn't put it past a lot of these schools to start handing out magic school bus dvds and adopting the video learning bullshit from colleges then saying "we solved everything" either
There's also just not a lot of options for daycare hence the push. Folks joke about people being sick of their kids but if both parents are lower working class and the kids are small they've basically been doing all kinds of shit just to get to work.
By reilo Go To PostIt's one of the most disrespected careers in America.Why is it one of the most disrespected careers? How does the situation get that bad?
When dumbass Timmy fucks up in class and doesn't do his homework or bullies another kid, the teachers get blamed. DY is right when he says most parents don't want to find time to read to their children but at the same time want to blame the teacher for all the things that's not part of their job.
Like, that may be a very complicated question just point me in the direction if it is too long to answer here.
By Perfect Blue Go To PostWhy is it one of the most disrespected careers? How does the situation get that bad?short version - a generation ago it was one of the best in the world and naturally we wanted to see how little we could give a fuck until it became a real problem
Like, that may be a very complicated question just point me in the direction if it is too long to answer here.
By Perfect Blue Go To PostWhy is it one of the most disrespected careers? How does the situation get that bad?My take?
Like, that may be a very complicated question just point me in the direction if it is too long to answer here.
America loves to blame "others" for their own failing.
Timmy isn't a sociopath bullying classmates because his parents neglected to hug him every so often and read a book at night but because his teachers made his algebra homework too tough.
On the flipside, you also got...
Timmy isn't a sociopath bullying classmates because his helicopter parents are overbearing and tell him how special he is every day and dressing him up in the fanciest yuppy clothes but because his teachers are not teaching him the right way and don't understand how special he is.
Two completely different approaches that lead to the same conclusion: parents blaming teachers because they can't see what's going on in class so it's easier to fingerpoint the underpaid teacher having to handle a 50 kid classroom than wonder if you taught your own kid the right principles.
By DY_nasty Go To Postshort version - a generation ago it was one of the best in the world and naturally we wanted to see how little we could give a fuck until it became a real problemThis is sort of what I was thinking - just the general decline of public education in the US.
By reilo Go To PostMy take?
America loves to blame "others" for their own failing.
Timmy isn't a sociopath bullying classmates because his parents neglected to hug him every so often and read a book at night but because his teachers made his algebra homework too tough.
On the flipside, you also got…
Timmy isn't a sociopath bullying classmates because his helicopter parents are overbearing and tell him how special he is every day and dressing him up in the fanciest yuppy clothes but because his teachers are not teaching him the right way and don't understand how special he is.
Two completely different approaches that lead to the same conclusion: parents blaming teachers because they can't see what's going on in class so it's easier to fingerpoint the underpaid teacher having to handle a 50 kid classroom than wonder if you taught your own kid the right principles.
It is funny, because you could basically replace America with Japan and this would almost all be the same truths.. just Japan treats their teachers a tad bit better..
For better or worse our whole focus is mainly on our isolated nuclear families and offloading responsibilities on to everyone else when and if we can. Overworked, underwater or barely above water, stressed out Americans and covid, while brutal, is exacerbating problems we already have.
Can pop off about the GOP all day but our complacency has led to bare minimum funding (if any at all) of a whole host of shit because due diligence is just too hard. It's not just social services in red states that are abysmal let's face it. This country is a whole pile of hypocritical excrement that has somehow slugged along but is due for some major pushback. Maybe it will finally happen when people can't get work and have been on the street 6 months. Still haven't hit rock bottom it seems.
Can pop off about the GOP all day but our complacency has led to bare minimum funding (if any at all) of a whole host of shit because due diligence is just too hard. It's not just social services in red states that are abysmal let's face it. This country is a whole pile of hypocritical excrement that has somehow slugged along but is due for some major pushback. Maybe it will finally happen when people can't get work and have been on the street 6 months. Still haven't hit rock bottom it seems.
I can rent all day about how Oregon (a VERY blue state) distributes taxpayer money to public schools. It is completely fucking backwards.
The largest districts in the state get the least amount of funding per student and it was designed like that with intent back in the 90s.
The largest districts in the state get the least amount of funding per student and it was designed like that with intent back in the 90s.
By i can get you a toe Go To PostStill haven't hit rock bottom it seems.cant stop won't stop
Public school funding in Oregon largely shifted from local to state funding after the passage of Measure 5 in 1990. Measure 5 set property tax limits for local governments, shifting funding responsibility from the local to the state level.[8] As of December 2016, about 70 percent of public school funding comes from the state, mostly from the General Fund, which is primarily made up of personal and income tax revenues.[9]
Criminal.
If there's one lesson Oregonians, and the nation, can learn from the passage of Measure 5, it's this: you can't improve school funding with a tax cut.
Measure 5 was an initiative passed in November 1990 to rein in rising property taxes. Proponents argued the measure wouldn't harm public schools and could even help struggling rural schools by forcing the state to spread out income tax money collected from wealthier parts of Oregon.
But many rural schools, like those in Pendleton High School, did not see a benefit.
School supporters will argue that few districts were lifted up and far more, especially urban and suburban districts, saw their funding pushed down.Basically, redistributed funding for public schools from the urban and suburban areas (the most populous areas) to the rural areas because ynot.
More here: https://www.opb.org/news/article/oregon-education-measure-5/
But anyway, probably a discussion best left for Politics thread.
By Perfect Blue Go To PostLearning about how teachers get screwed in the states is pretty wild. Over here the average teacher gets paid almost 80k and the teacher unions are stronger than the government themselves.
Ehh?
By diehard Go To PostEhh?Should have specified I meant my province of Ontario. Education here is handled at a provincial level (so there's no Ministry of Education for the entire country) and I don't know how much the other provinces pay, though it still looks really good according to that.
By diehard Go To PostEhh?Payment is quite different between a normal hired teacher and a civil servants in Germany.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beamter
Mostly shifts to non-beamte now and therefore the job as teacher isn't really that attractive anymore.
It's also disingenuous to compare raw dollar value (translated to the US Dollar) country to country and not take into account cost of living and benefits between each country.
Nationwide, the cost-of-living in some of those other countries probably doesn't have anywhere near the variance as in America.
So a teacher getting paid $65k in New York City is complete jokes compared to say even, Kansas City.
Nationwide, the cost-of-living in some of those other countries probably doesn't have anywhere near the variance as in America.
So a teacher getting paid $65k in New York City is complete jokes compared to say even, Kansas City.
By Perfect Blue Go To PostLearning about how teachers get screwed in the states is pretty wild. Over here the average teacher gets paid almost 80k and the teacher unions are stronger than the government themselves.
Yeah being a teacher is a good living here aswell and i'm pretty happy about that. My family is 90% teachers.
It also requires at least 5 additional years of training after you finished regular school. Don't know how it is in the US.
To say nothing of US teachers paying for all kinds of shit in their classroom out of their own pocket.
By reilo Go To PostRight, and I'm not arguing against any of that. So that's why I ask: why wouldn't they strike right now? Is it because of the belief that if they did they would come back to something worse?In addition to what Dy has said, there is precedent for using armed forces employed by the state to end teacher strikes.
https://www.cnbc.com/2020/08/05/dr-fauci-says-his-daughters-need-security-as-family-continues-to-get-death-threats.html
To add to the "fuck everything" pile.
To add to the "fuck everything" pile.
White House health advisor Dr. Anthony Fauci said Wednesday that he and his family have required continued security in the face of harassment and death threats from people angry over his guidance on the coronavirus pandemic.
“The unseemingly things that crises bring out in the world, it brings out the best of people and the worst of people, and getting death threats to my family and harassing my daughters to the point where I have to get security — it’s amazing,” Fauci said in an interview with CNN’s Dr. Sanjay Gupta on Harvard’s School of Public Health website that was streamed on Facebook live.