By Zabojnik Go To PostI don't have to. :mouface:
Nothing too spectacular, until you consider this is in an SFF case with both CPU/radiator and GPU fans in inaudible mode.
82% GPU utilisation
This is why you do not Ryzen.
By HonestVapes Go To Post82% GPU utilisationFps capped at 237 m8.
This is why you do not Ryzen.
5900x holding it steady while yawning.
By HonestVapes Go To PostLet me be facetious, bro
By HonestVapes Go To Post5800X3D really not on anyone’s radar, eh?It's an absolutely amazing gaming CPU, trading blows with the 12900KS at almost half the price. Value.
Imagine upgrading from a 2700x to this and all you have to swap out is the CPU.
By Zabojnik Go To PostIt's an absolutely amazing gaming CPU, trading blows with the 12900KS at almost half the price. Value.Imagine struggling for frames for the last 4 years just to finally upgrade to something decent though
Imagine upgrading from a 2700x to this and all you have to swap out is the CPU.
By HonestVapes Go To PostImagine struggling for frames for the last 4 years just to finally upgrade to something decent thoughIt wasn't that bad.
By Kibner Go To PostIt wasn't that bad.Don’t sugarcoat it, breh. I was there in the trenches with a Ryzen 1600. The uplift with the 2000 series wasn’t all that substantial.
By HonestVapes Go To PostDon’t sugarcoat it, breh. I was there in the trenches with a Ryzen 1600. The uplift with the 2000 series wasn’t all that substantial.
Damn, Vapes just wants to be on the losing team at all costs.
By Zabojnik Go To PostThank you for beta testing Ryzen for us. It is appreciated.It wasn’t glamorous but I’m glad my contribution and suffering has made so many happy since
diehard, or anyone really, can I get some help trying to find 3200mhz Unregistered ECC RAM with relatively low latency? Preferably 2x16GB (motherboard has 4 dimm slots and claims to support up to 4x32 or 128 GB). With the difficulty I have had finding it, it may just not really be a thing.
I want to change out my "gaming" RAM on my Pro WS X570-ACE motherboard to something with ECC but I want to give up as little gaming performance while I'm doing it. Eventually, this motherboard will be used for a home lab + media server.
e: if it helps, this is the QVC list from the motherboard's support page: https://dlcdnets.asus.com/pub/ASUS/mb/SocketAM4/Pro_WS_X570-ACE/Pro_WS_X570-ACE_Memory_QVL_report_ECC_20210420.pdf
I want to change out my "gaming" RAM on my Pro WS X570-ACE motherboard to something with ECC but I want to give up as little gaming performance while I'm doing it. Eventually, this motherboard will be used for a home lab + media server.
e: if it helps, this is the QVC list from the motherboard's support page: https://dlcdnets.asus.com/pub/ASUS/mb/SocketAM4/Pro_WS_X570-ACE/Pro_WS_X570-ACE_Memory_QVL_report_ECC_20210420.pdf
I'm not sure you can find ECC memory that lists anything other than JEDEC standards.
Curious why they only list DDR4-2933 on that QVL. It's possible thats the highest speed you will get with 4 modules and they aren't doing the extra work to make a separate list for 1DPC vs 2DPC.
You can absolutely get RAM that isn't on the QVL to work and you can also overclock ECC memory, it just might not have an XMP profile to easily select. Sticking with the QVL is the safe way to go but if you aren't afraid an RMA then it will open up some faster options.
Some Samsung B-die (even if rated for something as low as DDR-2400!) with ECC be able to do nice timings/frequency. Go with 2 modules for better results.
On the other hand to all that, hand tuning modules and wanting ECC aren't usually in the same venn diagram.
Let me see if I can find a specific kit. Are you running Ryzen 5000?
Curious why they only list DDR4-2933 on that QVL. It's possible thats the highest speed you will get with 4 modules and they aren't doing the extra work to make a separate list for 1DPC vs 2DPC.
You can absolutely get RAM that isn't on the QVL to work and you can also overclock ECC memory, it just might not have an XMP profile to easily select. Sticking with the QVL is the safe way to go but if you aren't afraid an RMA then it will open up some faster options.
Some Samsung B-die (even if rated for something as low as DDR-2400!) with ECC be able to do nice timings/frequency. Go with 2 modules for better results.
On the other hand to all that, hand tuning modules and wanting ECC aren't usually in the same venn diagram.
Let me see if I can find a specific kit. Are you running Ryzen 5000?
Yeah, I'm running a 5950x. And I'm ok with hand-tuning and I know that is weird for this segment. lol
By Kibner Go To PostYeah, I'm running a 5950x. And I'm ok with hand-tuning and I know that is weird for this segment. lolThis reddit post may be of help: https://www.reddit.com/r/Amd/comments/lf3i6b/overclocked_ecc_memory_with_a_5900x_my_results/
Sadly those modules are $220
By diehard Go To PostThis reddit post may be of help: https://www.reddit.com/r/Amd/comments/lf3i6b/overclocked_ecc_memory_with_a_5900x_my_results/Thanks!
Sadly those modules are $220
After looking at Micron and Kingston's sites, I think this (Micron MTA18ASF2G72AZ-3G2) is probably the best currently in-production chip I can get for 16GB modules: https://www.micron.com/-/media/client/global/documents/products/data-sheet/modules/unbuffered_dimm/ddr4/asf18c2gx72az.pdf
It is dual rank and uses Micron E-die which, if I understand correctly, is supposed to outperform Micron B-die when each rank represents 8GB. Now, just to find somewhere that will sell it to me.
e: it appears that the exact specs I am looking for are:
- 16GB module
- unbuffered ecc
- 3200mhz
- dual-rank
- die type of Hynix DJR, Micron Rev. E, or Samsung B-die
I need to find some better ways to find where these things are sold
I have found a few chips but I can't really tell what die some of them use:
1) Samsung M391A2K43DB1-CWE: https://semiconductor.samsung.com/dram/module/ecc-udimm-ecc-sodimm/m391a2k43db1-cwe/
Sold for about $100 on this site: https://memory.net/product/m391a2k43db1-cwe-samsung-1x-16gb-ddr4-3200-ecc-udimm-pc4-25600e-dual-rank-x8-module/
2) Micron MTA18ASF2G72AZ-3G2: https://www.micron.com/products/dram-modules/udimm/part-catalog/mta18asf2g72az-3g2 | https://www.micron.com/-/media/client/global/documents/products/data-sheet/modules/unbuffered_dimm/ddr4/asf18c2gx72az.pdf
I also can't find confirmation on what die it uses and can't find it for sale anywhere, despite Micron telling me it is something that is still in production.
3) Kingston KSM32ED8/16HD: https://www.kingston.com/datasheets/KSM32ED8_16HD.pdf
Uses Hynix DJR die, which is on my short list. Sells for $94 on CDW: https://www.cdw.com/product/kingston-server-premier-ddr4-module-16-gb-dimm-288-pin-3200-mhz/6200231?enkwrd=KSM32ED8%2b16HD
1) Samsung M391A2K43DB1-CWE: https://semiconductor.samsung.com/dram/module/ecc-udimm-ecc-sodimm/m391a2k43db1-cwe/
Sold for about $100 on this site: https://memory.net/product/m391a2k43db1-cwe-samsung-1x-16gb-ddr4-3200-ecc-udimm-pc4-25600e-dual-rank-x8-module/
2) Micron MTA18ASF2G72AZ-3G2: https://www.micron.com/products/dram-modules/udimm/part-catalog/mta18asf2g72az-3g2 | https://www.micron.com/-/media/client/global/documents/products/data-sheet/modules/unbuffered_dimm/ddr4/asf18c2gx72az.pdf
I also can't find confirmation on what die it uses and can't find it for sale anywhere, despite Micron telling me it is something that is still in production.
3) Kingston KSM32ED8/16HD: https://www.kingston.com/datasheets/KSM32ED8_16HD.pdf
Uses Hynix DJR die, which is on my short list. Sells for $94 on CDW: https://www.cdw.com/product/kingston-server-premier-ddr4-module-16-gb-dimm-288-pin-3200-mhz/6200231?enkwrd=KSM32ED8%2b16HD
Ahh, looks like that Samsung is a D-die, judging by the naming scheme Samsung appears to use. They do have a B-die but it is rated for "only" 2666 @ CL19 which would leave it slightly slower than these other sticks that are 3200 @ CL 22 (14.25ns vs 13.75ns)
e: I think I will just go with the Kingston since it still uses a good die and has a good (for ecc) speed rating. Will just hand-tune it to see how far I can push.
e: I think I will just go with the Kingston since it still uses a good die and has a good (for ecc) speed rating. Will just hand-tune it to see how far I can push.
Dammit, I'm back at it and trying to figure out what the hell Micron Revision R memory is. Looks like it adds temperature monitoring over Hynix DJR? But I have no idea how it overclocks...
E: I have resorted to making a reddit post to find out about this Micron Rev. R. I think it's my second reddit post ever. Lol
E: I have resorted to making a reddit post to find out about this Micron Rev. R. I think it's my second reddit post ever. Lol
I had a bunch of that junk figured out a few years ago and now I can barely remember it. You get any response on that post?
By diehard Go To PostI had a bunch of that junk figured out a few years ago and now I can barely remember it. You get any response on that post?Nothing useful, unfortunately. https://www.reddit.com/r/overclocking/comments/u5tby1/is_there_any_difference_in_oc_potential_between/
The Hynix D is actually pretty good. Only Samsung B-Die is better. I'm trying to figure out why the Micron Rev. R is (slightly) more expensive. Is it actually better binned and more likely to have tighter timings? Or is it more expensive just because it is Micron?
Got a kinda informative answer on that reddit post. Looks like I should get the Hynix stick:
yup, i would just do Hynix DJR for better oc ing or tightening timings with some good voltages. I could do 4133 CL18 with tight subtimings stable at 1.4v, better than my DJR kit. but both could run 3600 `16-19-19-36 at 1.36~1.37 voltage, so yeah micron anything than recent rev e or 16gbit rev b is not a good overclocker
I pulled the trigger on the Kingston with the Hynix DJR die. Should be here in a couple weeks. Then I can start tuning it to make it not absurdly slow (hopefully).
By Patriotism Go To PostGodspeed brother kibThank you, brother. 🙏
By diehard Go To Postlet us know how it goesWill do.
I've managed to get my 3080Ti's power draw down to under 160w while playing Siege at 4K/120FPS.
Undervolt set at 1530mhz @ 750mv. FPS capped to 118, gsync enabled. Completely solid frame rate, not a single dip below. 150w-155w power draw.
Undervolt set at 1530mhz @ 750mv. FPS capped to 118, gsync enabled. Completely solid frame rate, not a single dip below. 150w-155w power draw.
By HonestVapes Go To PostI've managed to get my 3080Ti's power draw down to under 160w while playing Siege at 4K/120FPS.lawdd. Might give that a go.
Undervolt set at 1530mhz @ 750mv. FPS capped to 118, gsync enabled. Completely solid frame rate, not a single dip below. 150w-155w power draw.
Mind posting an image of your frequency chart?
By JesalR Go To Postlawdd. Might give that a go.Will do later.
Mind posting an image of your frequency chart?
It’s not an ideal all purpose undervolt though, you will lose performance since it’s about a 20% clockspeed reduction for about a 55% power draw reduction in my specific scenario. It’ll draw more power with an unlocked frame rate.
I just wanted to see how low I could go with it for Siege while keeping the frame rate the same.
1530mhz @ 750mv
My normal undervolt, 1740mhz @ 825mv
My card is not great for overclocking/undervolting fwiw. Generally 1800mhz @ 800mv-825mv should be achievable.
My normal undervolt, 1740mhz @ 825mv
My card is not great for overclocking/undervolting fwiw. Generally 1800mhz @ 800mv-825mv should be achievable.
Might be a dumb question but if your PSU is slightly too low for the original power consumption of the card, could you bypass that and set it up to undervolt and use the card properly then?
By Batong Go To PostMight be a dumb question but if your PSU is slightly too low for the original power consumption of the card, could you bypass that and set it up to undervolt and use the card properly then?Yes, but what are your specs?
The usual recommendations for PSUs and GPUs are higher than actually required (or lower than required in some instances)
By HonestVapes Go To PostMeanwhile, I'm still waiting on my glass feet to get to Ireland, then get posted to me.We've decided to keep them
ECC RAM now installed and working. I don't know if I have to enable any particular option on my motherboard to actually do the thing and I still need to tune it faster than these awful 3200 mt/s @ 22-22-22-45(?) timings.
e: it was set to `Auto`, which the manual/help says means `Enabled`; I'll take its word
e: it was set to `Auto`, which the manual/help says means `Enabled`; I'll take its word
I’ve currently got a 10700k with an evga rtx 3090 ftw3, both air cooled. How long do you think it would take me to go from “I want to water cool my pc at last, time to start doing research” to “ it’s finally done, wow these temps are low!”? I’ve been building computers since like 2003 but never used anything but air cooling…
Also, what AIO cpu cooler do you guys like to use?
Also, what AIO cpu cooler do you guys like to use?
The 5800x3d apparently undervolts like a champ: https://wccftech.com/amd-ryzen-7-5800x3d-cpu-undervolting-monster-efficency-sub-1v-same-performance-runs-cooler-lower-power/
Supposedly gets close to M1 power draw with significantly better performance with a low enough undervolt.
Supposedly gets close to M1 power draw with significantly better performance with a low enough undervolt.
By Celcius Go To PostI’ve currently got a 10700k with an evga rtx 3090 ftw3, both air cooled. How long do you think it would take me to go from “I want to water cool my pc at last, time to start doing research” to “ it’s finally done, wow these temps are low!”? I’ve been building computers since like 2003 but never used anything but air cooling…
Also, what AIO cpu cooler do you guys like to use?
I’ve used Corsair AIOs all but one time since I started building, and that was when I went to a Kraken for a bit. I’ve never used an air cooler :x
By Celcius Go To PostI’ve currently got a 10700k with an evga rtx 3090 ftw3, both air cooled. How long do you think it would take me to go from “I want to water cool my pc at last, time to start doing research” to “ it’s finally done, wow these temps are low!”? I’ve been building computers since like 2003 but never used anything but air cooling…Corsair have a solid "all you need" bundle for custom water cooling, if you don't feel like doing a whole lot of research.
Also, what AIO cpu cooler do you guys like to use?
Also, and I'm sure you're aware of it, an AIO won't get you to a "wow these temps are low" state. More like "wow, my big ass Noctua air cooler is just as good ... possibly better?!"
By Celcius Go To PostI’ve currently got a 10700k with an evga rtx 3090 ftw3, both air cooled. How long do you think it would take me to go from “I want to water cool my pc at last, time to start doing research” to “ it’s finally done, wow these temps are low!”? I’ve been building computers since like 2003 but never used anything but air cooling…
Also, what AIO cpu cooler do you guys like to use?
Depending on your case, a couple days honestly.
Edit: If you have a fairly standard ATX case with space for 3x120mm fans at the top or front, then a Corsair 360mm rad will fit without issue 99% of the time.
The part compatibly side of things will generally be very easy to work out.
You just need to read up on the knowledge side of things. How to flush components, leak test and assemble.
Doing some more reading and apparently overclocking ECC memory defeats the purpose because, I assume, it makes the parity check (used to detect errors) error prone.
I dunno. Maybe if I just tune the memory so that no WHEA errors happen, my memory will accurately catch and fix errors 99% of the time instead of 99.999% of the time (and both are still better than the 0% of the time non-ECC memory catches and fixes errors).
I dunno. Maybe if I just tune the memory so that no WHEA errors happen, my memory will accurately catch and fix errors 99% of the time instead of 99.999% of the time (and both are still better than the 0% of the time non-ECC memory catches and fixes errors).
The LGA 1700 ITX scene really a mess, eh?
Gigabyte B660 only has one m.2 slot.
Asus B660 only supports DDR5.
ASRock’s budget Z690 supports 2 M.2 slots and DDR4 but it’s an overall lower quality board, and ugly, and a bit overpriced.
Everything else worthwhile is silly money and DDR5 only
Gigabyte B660 only has one m.2 slot.
Asus B660 only supports DDR5.
ASRock’s budget Z690 supports 2 M.2 slots and DDR4 but it’s an overall lower quality board, and ugly, and a bit overpriced.
Everything else worthwhile is silly money and DDR5 only
By Kibner Go To PostDoing some more reading and apparently overclocking ECC memory defeats the purpose because, I assume, it makes the parity check (used to detect errors) error prone.I can't see how it would defeat the purpose. I think as long as you do stability testing and review WHEA logs (assuming your motherboard is reporting them) then you should be getting the full benefit.
I dunno. Maybe if I just tune the memory so that no WHEA errors happen, my memory will accurately catch and fix errors 99% of the time instead of 99.999% of the time (and both are still better than the 0% of the time non-ECC memory catches and fixes errors).