By Fenderputty Go To PostI'm now firmly in the "they're going to pass this shit" camp. Too many people just don't give a fuck.
I KEEP REMINDING Y'ALL EVERY 3RD PAGE THAT Y'ALL AIN'T SEEN NOT GIVING AF YET BUT YOU MIGHT SOON!
"We should move on to the Tax Reform part of our agenda" -- Says Republican legislator for the seventeenth time.
There will be an eighteenth too. In case you were wondering.
There will be an eighteenth too. In case you were wondering.
By reilo Go To Post
So far it's mirroring the house Bill. I think what's spooking some of these senators is that Ryan has said the house will do a straight up and down vote for what passes the senate. So unlike the house they can't just pass something symbolically and punt the hot potato away.
I'm still thinking they get a version of this passed. There was more savings than expected so they can give some concessions here and there and bring on more "yes" votes. The big loss for Senate GOP today, is that there is no quick vote and ramming this bill through. They're going to have an entire recess of this thing getting destroyed in the media.
There's word Murkowski and Collins are possibly trying to add a PP funding amendment that would instakill the bill.
We're not out of the woods yet but there's hope still ...
By Dark PhaZe Go To Postsurprised because I thought they really nuanced the language enough on this one to get it through
Collins and Murkowski were most likely going to vote no, but Pence would be the tiebreaker there. What's surprising to me is that the right wingers didn't give in. Like, Rand Paul didn't flip to a yes. I thought for sure he would.
The plan, now, is to re-write the damn thing over recess and have the CBO re-score it again so they can vote after recess.
Republicans plan to re-write their health bill over the July 4th recess and get a new analysis from the Congressional Budget Office before bringing legislation to the floor. GOP senators said their goal is to have an agreement by Friday and vote as soon as they come back from the break.
http://www.politico.com/story/2017/06/27/republicans-key-repeal-vote-delay-240010
They've been working on this for years guys ... what's a couple more days right?
"Sen. McConnell was wise to give it a few more days," said GOP Sen. Lamar Alexander, who chairs a key health committee. "Several members felt the bill wasn't ready to be voted on. We've been working on it for seven years and a few more days to get it right is a very sensible approach to me."
Like I said ... I think they're able to buy off some of the "no" votes and this passes in some form, but it's a momentary win.
They've been working on it for 7 years to get our healthcare system to a worse state before the ACA was passed?
I genuinely wonder how much of the base the GOP would lose if they out of nowhere said they are going for a universal healthcare solution
this is a game to so many people that I think a huge chunk of the base would be like, "fuck yea!"
this is a game to so many people that I think a huge chunk of the base would be like, "fuck yea!"
By Fenderputty Go To PostLike I said … I think they're able to buy off some of the "no" votes and this passes in some form, but it's a momentary win.This is exactly what I expect to happen. They do horrible shit like health savings accounts to get the Cruz and Lee votes, throw some money at opiate problems to get the Portman vote, etc. Murkowski and Collins vote no to save face, Pence breaks the tie.
By HasphatsAnts Go To PostThink it's Heller and Collins with the no votes.
Alaska is easy to buy off with an exemption or two
The BCRA will fuck over so many Alaska people it's insane.
Alright. Not "easy",but certainly feasible given Alaska's lack of access to affordable healthcare in general.
They've got a $200B surplus to work with, a lot of options
They've got a $200B surplus to work with, a lot of options
By reilo Go To PostThey've been working on it for 7 years to get our healthcare system to a worse state before the ACA was passed?But rich peop... ahem, I mean, job creators' finances will be in a much better state.
By Dark PhaZe Go To PostEh, fuck these people. Trump was always a baby yet you backed him anyway because fuck the country, your team winning was more important
Good on this GOP Senator for being an adult and calling this out.
Edit: quite a few are actually
Any GOP wants props from me they should just remove themselves from this planet
Too much of a pussy to even tag him in it directly
This is the Benjamin Wittes bomb he hinted at last Friday ....
https://www.wsj.com/articles/gop-operative-sought-clinton-emails-from-hackers-implied-a-connection-to-flynn-1498770851
It's behind paywall, but someone posted a portion of the story and I'm C&P'ing that here:
WASHINGTON—Before the 2016 presidential election, a longtime Republican opposition researcher mounted an independent campaign to obtain emails he believed were stolen from Hillary Clinton’s private server, likely by Russian hackers.
In conversations with members of his circle and with others he tried to recruit to help him, the GOP operative, Peter W. Smith, implied he was working with retired Lt. Gen. Mike Flynn, at the time a senior adviser to then-candidate Donald Trump.
“He said, ‘I’m talking to Michael Flynn about this—if you find anything, can you let me know?’” said Eric York, a computer-security expert from Atlanta who searched hacker forums on Mr. Smith’s behalf for people who might have access to the emails.
Emails written by Mr. Smith and one of his associates show that his small group considered Mr. Flynn and his consulting company, Flynn Intel Group, to be allies in their quest.
What role, if any, Mr. Flynn may have played in Mr. Smith’s project is unclear. In an interview with The Wall Street Journal, Mr. Smith said he knew Mr. Flynn, but he never stated that Mr. Flynn was involved.
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The operation Mr. Smith described is consistent with information that has been examined by U.S. investigators probing Russian interference in the elections.
Those investigators have examined reports from intelligence agencies that describe Russian hackers discussing how to obtain emails from Mrs. Clinton’s server and then transmit them to Mr. Flynn via an intermediary, according to U.S. officials with knowledge of the intelligence.
It isn’t clear who that intermediary might have been or whether Mr. Smith’s operation was the one allegedly under discussion by the Russian hackers. The reports were compiled during the same period when Mr. Smith’s group was operating, according to the officials.
Mr. Smith said he worked independently and wasn’t part of the Trump campaign.
His project began over Labor Day weekend 2016 when Mr. Smith, a private-equity executive from Chicago active in Republican politics, said he assembled a group of technology experts, lawyers and a Russian-speaking investigator based in Europe to acquire emails the group theorized might have been stolen from the private server Mrs. Clinton used as secretary of state.
Mr. Smith’s focus was some 33,000 emails Mrs. Clinton said were deleted because they were deemed personal. Mr. Smith said he believed that the emails might have been obtained by hackers and that they actually concerned official matters Mrs. Clinton wanted to conceal—two notions for which he offered no evidence. Mrs. Clinton gave the State Department tens of thousands of emails related to official business.
Former Federal Bureau of Investigation Director James Comey said in July 2016 there was no evidence the private server had been hacked but held out the possibility it could have been.
In the interview with the Journal, Mr. Smith said he and his colleagues found five groups of hackers who claimed to possess Mrs. Clinton’s deleted emails, including two groups he determined were Russians.
“We knew the people who had these were probably around the Russian government,” Mr. Smith said.
U.S. intelligence agencies have accused the Russians of stealing emails from the Democratic National Committee and Mrs. Clinton’s campaign chairman, John Podesta, and providing them to WikiLeaks last summer as part of a multifaceted operation to interfere with the election and help Mr. Trump’s campaign. Mr. Trump on July 27 publicly encouraged Russia to go further and find the Clinton “emails that are missing.” Asked about that on Monday, White House Press Secretary Sean Spicer said Mr. Trump was joking.
Mr. Smith said after vetting batches of emails offered to him by hacker groups last fall, he couldn’t be sure enough of their authenticity to leak them himself. “We told all the groups to give them to WikiLeaks,” he said. WikiLeaks has never published those emails or claimed to have them.
Mr. Smith and one of his associates said they had a line of communication with Mr. Flynn and his consulting company.
Flynn was colluding with Russia ... boom
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonk/wp/2017/06/29/trumps-voter-fraud-commission-wants-to-know-the-voting-history-party-id-and-address-of-every-voter-in-america/?utm_term=.276dd76086d2
Who feels like having the feds dox them?
CA, VA and CT already telling them to go fuck themselves.
Who feels like having the feds dox them?
The chair of President Trump's Election Integrity Commission has penned a letter to all 50 states requesting their full voter-role data, including the name, address, date of birth, party affiliation, last four Social Security number digits and voting history back to 2006 of potentially every voter in the state.
In the letter, a copy of which was made public by the Connecticut secretary of state, the commission head Kris Kobach said that “any documents that are submitted to the full Commission will also be made available to the public.”
CA, VA and CT already telling them to go fuck themselves.
Fuuuuuuucking hell, Democrats are so goddamn impotent and useless
Meanwhile, a local "nonpartisan" group in my area is holding an outdoor screening of episodes of The West Wing to promote "civility in politics." Yes, because the problem isn't Trump's policies, it's the fact that he's an asshole.
Meanwhile, a local "nonpartisan" group in my area is holding an outdoor screening of episodes of The West Wing to promote "civility in politics." Yes, because the problem isn't Trump's policies, it's the fact that he's an asshole.
lol @ calling Pelosi impotent and useless
Also: what in the fuck
Why is Eric Holder tweeting this odd shit at 3AM.
Also: what in the fuck
Why is Eric Holder tweeting this odd shit at 3AM.
By Fenderputty Go To Postlol @ calling Pelosi impotent and useless?
How is this real/ I'm so depressed at the state of your country that a huge percentage will refuse to believe anything they don't want to hear about this guy/ how does he keep getting away with it / etc.
^ Pick one, it's all been said, it's just simmering frustration at this point.
An even dumber version of Cersei. A dollar store GoT character got elected. lol
Is this technically blackmail, or did they play enough word games to step up to the line and not cross it?
Is this technically blackmail, or did they play enough word games to step up to the line and not cross it?
Trump going on the offense against morning TV hosts. Incredible.
Well good news is he's cracking and going off the deeper end.
Well good news is he's cracking and going off the deeper end.
Awesome tweets. America punk'd itself.
Even better trolling by the POTUS with that wrestling video, lol. Gotta give the dude props. That was well played.
Even better trolling by the POTUS with that wrestling video, lol. Gotta give the dude props. That was well played.
By KingGondo Go To Post
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Wow this is real life lmao
But Emails tho.......
But Killary tho........
Catalonia to split from Spain within 48 hours of secession vote - referendum draft bill
Fun times ahead.
Puts a lot of people in a tough spot in having to re-evaluate their stances on self-determination, EU, Crimea/Kosovo, and other issues should it pass.
Catalonia will declare independence from Spain within 48 hours if voters back secession in an October referendum, according to a draft bill proposed by secessionist parties on Tuesday, though it remains unclear whether the vote will go ahead.http://www.reuters.com/article/us-spain-catalonia-idUSKBN19P1ZZ?il=0
Spain's Constitutional Court and the conservative government in Madrid have blocked previous secessionist challenges and the government has said it will block any further attempt to hold a referendum.
According to the bill, written jointly by the parties which favor secession, the referendum will pose a binary question asking voters whether they want Catalonia, a wealthy region in northeastern Spain, to become an independent nation.
If "Yes" wins, the regional government plans to declare independence within 48 hours. If "No" wins, an early election would be called to form a new regional government.
Fun times ahead.
Puts a lot of people in a tough spot in having to re-evaluate their stances on self-determination, EU, Crimea/Kosovo, and other issues should it pass.
Holiday weekend leaves more than 100 gunfire victims in Chicagohttp://www.chicagotribune.com/news/local/breaking/ct-chicago-july-4-weekend-shootings-violence-20170705-story.html
...bruh
By Vlatko Go To PostCatalonia to split from Spain within 48 hours of secession vote - referendum draft bill
http://www.reuters.com/article/us-spain-catalonia-idUSKBN19P1ZZ?il=0
Fun times ahead.
Puts a lot of people in a tough spot in having to re-evaluate their stances on self-determination, EU, Crimea/Kosovo, and other issues should it pass.
From what I understand, this isn't even possible under Spain's constitution?
So driving home from work and I saw a pick up truck with a long bumper sticker that said "I support gun rights one shot one kill".
Pffft
When I was back in Texas guys at our shop would hold their kids birthday parties at the shooting range
When I was back in Texas guys at our shop would hold their kids birthday parties at the shooting range
By DY_nasty Go To PostPffftI'm in bay area so it's surprising seeing any Republican fuckery. This is 3rd time I've seen it at least on a car. Yesterday I saw a MAGA flag on a truck and last year at the gym parking lot I saw the entire backside of a car filled with pro Trump stickers.
When I was back in Texas guys at our shop would hold their kids birthday parties at the shooting range
I was raised around guns and was taught to treat them with equal parts fear and respect. Shit was taken serious and got a butt whippin' if I joked around with them. Even bb and pellet guns. Lots of discussions on home security, keeping guns and ammunition in separate, locked, cases or safes, etc.
Never a worry that they would be taken away or that gun regulation was bad (except for waiting time being annoying). Dad was a card carrying nra member and state trooper. I like to believe that he would think this foolishness of paranoia and thinly veiled threats are ridiculous.
Never a worry that they would be taken away or that gun regulation was bad (except for waiting time being annoying). Dad was a card carrying nra member and state trooper. I like to believe that he would think this foolishness of paranoia and thinly veiled threats are ridiculous.
24 year old Deion Smith was murdered in Baltimore on Sunday night.
His older brother is the head of PR for the Baltimore City police department, TJ Smith. TJ is basically the face of the department on the news and at any crime scene. He's very visible and everyone knows him.
Police believe Deion knew the shooter but the investigation is still ongoing. He was the 173rd murder in the city as of Sunday. We're up to 177 now but I'm sure one or two will be announced by the 11 o'clock news.
Carrying an unlicensed firearm is still only a misdemeanor in the state of Maryland. The mayor is trying to have that changed to a felony so people aren't back on the street so quickly but that sounds like it'll be difficult.
His older brother is the head of PR for the Baltimore City police department, TJ Smith. TJ is basically the face of the department on the news and at any crime scene. He's very visible and everyone knows him.
Police believe Deion knew the shooter but the investigation is still ongoing. He was the 173rd murder in the city as of Sunday. We're up to 177 now but I'm sure one or two will be announced by the 11 o'clock news.
Carrying an unlicensed firearm is still only a misdemeanor in the state of Maryland. The mayor is trying to have that changed to a felony so people aren't back on the street so quickly but that sounds like it'll be difficult.
So this seems potentially huge. It's behind a paywall but if you google the title you can read direct from the link it provides.
https://www.ft.com/content/159eb2d8-6162-11e7-8814-0ac7eb84e5f1?mhq5j=e2
This dude is confirmed squawking.
https://www.ft.com/content/159eb2d8-6162-11e7-8814-0ac7eb84e5f1?mhq5j=e2
Russia-born dealmaker linked to Trump assists laundering probe
Donald Trump faces renewed scrutiny of the riches that flowed into his real estate empire from the former Soviet Union after a fixer for a Kazakh family accused of pumping dirty money into US property agreed to assist an international investigation into his former business partners.
Felix Sater, a Russian-born dealmaker with organised-crime connections who worked on property ventures including Trump Soho in Manhattan, has attracted attention in recent months as efforts continue to chart the links between the US president’s circle and moneymen from Russia and its neighbours.
Mr Sater has now agreed to co-operate with an international investigation into the alleged money-laundering network, five people with knowledge of the matter said. The co-operation has included working with a team of lawyers and private investigators pursuing civil cases across three continents, the people said. Mr Sater declined to comment.
This dude is confirmed squawking.
By GQman2121 Go To Post24 year old Deion Smith was murdered in Baltimore on Sunday night.
His older brother is the head of PR for the Baltimore City police department, TJ Smith. TJ is basically the face of the department on the news and at any crime scene. He's very visible and everyone knows him.
Police believe Deion knew the shooter but the investigation is still ongoing. He was the 173rd murder in the city as of Sunday. We're up to 177 now but I'm sure one or two will be announced by the 11 o'clock news.
Carrying an unlicensed firearm is still only a misdemeanor in the state of Maryland. The mayor is trying to have that changed to a felony so people aren't back on the street so quickly but that sounds like it'll be difficult.
I thought we had semi strict gun laws here. Maybe that's just on the aquisitional side. Seems like a huge oversight.
177 is pretty damn bad. I can only imagine that the heroin problem is one of the causes. 😔