Dems should be going *hard* after the huge swaths of people who don't vote. Give them a reason to take time off from work to go to the polls. Change the voting pool instead of going after people who are against what your party supposedly stands for.
We're sitting here in 2017, with health care on the mind of everybody, and the best the Dems can muster is "Obamacare isn't so bad!"
They're so disorganized that they might as well not exist in many states and they aren't even putting forth a gubernatorial candidate in the 2nd largest state in the country.
We're sitting here in 2017, with health care on the mind of everybody, and the best the Dems can muster is "Obamacare isn't so bad!"
They're so disorganized that they might as well not exist in many states and they aren't even putting forth a gubernatorial candidate in the 2nd largest state in the country.
John McCain got 60mil votes in 2008 after a disastrous 8 years of GWB, the worst VP pick of all time, and an overall terrible campaign and I'm suppose to believe that UHC proposals is gonna shift the tide to the Democrats? lol okay
And to clarify, I don't think Democrats should lower themselves to field anti-abortion or more Manchin style candidates, I just don't think this idea that they should propose more socialist-or-socialist-lite policies is what will get more people on board. They just need a candidate people want to have a beer with.
And to clarify, I don't think Democrats should lower themselves to field anti-abortion or more Manchin style candidates, I just don't think this idea that they should propose more socialist-or-socialist-lite policies is what will get more people on board. They just need a candidate people want to have a beer with.
I might go out of my way to say gun rights aren't on my agenda tbh, even if that's a lie. There's just very few points to gain on that issue and many to lose. Abortion rights--can't really bargain there.
By reilo Go To PostI don't think it is, no, given how much of the vote share GWB, McCain, Romney and Trump have gotten the last twenty years. Romney is as close to a centrist the Republicans have fielded but the other three have WOAT political stances and track records.No wait like
To say that the reason Democrats aren't winning at the presidential level because of lack of universal healthcare or free college education proposals is hilarious to me because the other side sure af isn't offering that.
that's not what i said at all lol
you don't have to pitch a tent on a free education, but at least have the person doing it not be someone we have to hate ourselves to vote for knowing damn well that they'll compromise in the opposite direction in less than a year
In case anyone was wondering if Donald Trump waited for all the fact ....
http://www.nbc29.com/story/36099395/city-of-charlottesville-grants-two-permits-for-counterprotests-of-unite-the-right
When the left shows up to a Nazi protest and the opposition is armed better than the cops who aren't doing shit ...
As terrible as it sounds, gun control ain't happening unless a bunch of minorities and liberals start arming up as well, anyway.
http://www.nbc29.com/story/36099395/city-of-charlottesville-grants-two-permits-for-counterprotests-of-unite-the-right
By Dark PhaZe Go To PostI might go out of my way to say gun rights aren't on my agenda tbh, even if that's a lie. There's just very few points to gain on that issue and many to lose. Abortion rights–can't really bargain there.
When the left shows up to a Nazi protest and the opposition is armed better than the cops who aren't doing shit ...
As terrible as it sounds, gun control ain't happening unless a bunch of minorities and liberals start arming up as well, anyway.
By DY_nasty Go To PostPinning so much on abortion and gun control is disingenuous though. I mean, you still can't even say that dems have a consistent platform.
Abortion rights, gun control, police reform, climate change, immigration reform, income inequality, healthcare reform.
These should be pillars of the Democratic Party and they are. The message got muddied during the campaign but as the AHCA fight showed, the unity is there
By DY_nasty Go To PostNo wait likeGondo is saying that. My response was to him.
that's not what i said at all lol
you don't have to pitch a tent on a free education, but at least have the person doing it not be someone we have to hate ourselves to vote for knowing damn well that they'll compromise in the opposite direction in less than a year
And truly, this is my stance on the entire thing: it's the messenger, not the message. Everyone should know what the Democratic platform is by now, it has barely evolved in the past 30 years.
"Four more years of Obama" sounded great to everyone as Obama was selling the message and not Hillary. "Four more years of Bush" didn't resonate with the voters as McCain was selling it while Obama was swagging his way into a landslide presidential run.
By HasphatsAnts Go To PostAbortion rights, gun control, police reform, climate change, immigration reform, income inequality, healthcare reform.Unity isn't there lol. Unity is mandatory right now. They're still throwing each other under the bus for quick retweets.
These should be pillars of the Democratic Party and they are. The message got muddied during the campaign but as the AHCA fight showed, the unity is there
any hypothetical gun control measure that would make it through congress and into law would just be used to infringe on the rights of minorities and marginal groups
so yeah, gun control is bunk for now
so yeah, gun control is bunk for now
By reilo Go To PostGondo is saying that. My response was to him.McCain was doing good considering he was against a GOAT campaign and some other really, really good candidates imo
And truly, this is my stance on the entire thing: it's the messenger, not the message. Everyone should know what the Democratic platform is by now, it has barely evolved in the past 30 years.
"Four more years of Obama" sounded great to everyone as Obama was selling the message and not Hillary. "Four more years of Bush" didn't resonate with the voters as McCain was selling it while Obama was swagging his way into a landslide presidential run.
By DY_nasty Go To PostMcCain was doing good considering he was against a GOAT campaign and some other really, really good candidates imoAnd that's exactly my point. McCain shouldn't have received that many damn votes. He offered nothing of substance, ran a terrible campaign, had the worst VP pick in modern presidential history, and yet, somehow, 60 million votes later...
By Fenderputty Go To PostIn case anyone was wondering if Donald Trump waited for all the fact ….
http://www.nbc29.com/story/36099395/city-of-charlottesville-grants-two-permits-for-counterprotests-of-unite-the-right
When the left shows up to a Nazi protest and the opposition is armed better than the cops who aren't doing shit …
As terrible as it sounds, gun control ain't happening unless a bunch of minorities and liberals start arming up as well, anyway.
its crazy how many republicans are pretty much gun right voters and very little else
By reilo Go To PostAnd that's exactly my point. McCain shouldn't have received that many damn votes. He offered nothing of substance, ran a terrible campaign, had the worst VP pick in modern presidential history, and yet, somehow, 60 million votes later…"Nothing of substance"?
Eh, aite lol. Palin was a hail mary that tanked him. I'm not gonna call that a terrible campaign either. There have been much worse
By reilo Go To PostWhat in the world did McCain run on in 2008? His platform was garbage.Compared to the GOAT campaign from Obama, aite.
By reilo Go To Postlmao im dying
By DY_nasty Go To PostCompared to the GOAT campaign from Obama, aite.It would've been a garbage platform in 2016.
By DY_nasty Go To PostUnity isn't there lol. Unity is mandatory right now. They're still throwing each other under the bus for quick retweets.lemme rephrase then. the party's shown a capacity to unify when its core principles are threatened. The issue is that the party can't agree on what's core at the moment.
i don't even think its a policy battle between the moderates and progressives
I think its just the moderates raging about progressives not having an interest in certain candidates that are gaining mindshare right now
I think its just the moderates raging about progressives not having an interest in certain candidates that are gaining mindshare right now
It isn't even mindshare. Candidates like Harris and Booker have been meeting with donors.
We don't want anointed candidates that are pushed by the party apparatus well before the primary.
We don't want anointed candidates that are pushed by the party apparatus well before the primary.
By HasphatsAnts Go To Postlemme rephrase then. the party's shown a capacity to unify when its core principles are threatened. The issue is that the party can't agree on what's core at the moment.Their core principles revolve around treading water and surviving right now lol.
Keep in mind that we're mostly talking about the national level/presidency too.
If you want to feel truly hopeless check out how the Dems are doing on the state and local levels.
If you want to feel truly hopeless check out how the Dems are doing on the state and local levels.
I think people are putting a little too much stock into what people on twitter are saying.
"I think its just the moderates raging about progressives not having an interest in certain candidates that are gaining mindshare right now"
For most Dem voters, this isn't even on their mind right now.
There is no bench because there is no focus at a local level. The DNC is going to pick candidates who are good at fundraising.
"I think its just the moderates raging about progressives not having an interest in certain candidates that are gaining mindshare right now"
For most Dem voters, this isn't even on their mind right now.
There is no bench because there is no focus at a local level. The DNC is going to pick candidates who are good at fundraising.
By KingGondo Go To PostKeep in mind that we're mostly talking about the national level/presidency too.YEP
If you want to feel truly hopeless check out how the Dems are doing on the state and local levels.
NC is a perfect example too.
Even in "the reddest state in the country", Oklahoma, Dems won every single statewide office as recently as 2006.
The Dems hardly even exist in my state at the moment.
The Dems hardly even exist in my state at the moment.
By KingGondo Go To PostKeep in mind that we're mostly talking about the national level/presidency too.
If you want to feel truly hopeless check out how the Dems are doing on the state and local levels.
it's all good in VA so far :D
By KingGondo Go To PostEven in "the reddest state in the country", Oklahoma, Dems won every single statewide office as recently as 2006.
The Dems hardly even exist in my state at the moment.
2006 was the Dem wave election year followed by another wave in 2008 to take all the houses. Both directly related to Bush tanking the economy and dragging us into an unneeded war. The pendulum swung heavily in our favor and then we voted for a black man and passed healthcare and the pendulum swung back hard in the opposing direction. Why do you not add any context to this? Like ... ever
This is pretty much what I expected
This Nazi shit will continue his decline with independents, but his base is eating it up.
This Nazi shit will continue his decline with independents, but his base is eating it up.
By reilo Go To PostJohn McCain got 60mil votes in 2008 after a disastrous 8 years of GWB, the worst VP pick of all time, and an overall terrible campaign and I'm suppose to believe that UHC proposals is gonna shift the tide to the Democrats? lol okay
And to clarify, I don't think Democrats should lower themselves to field anti-abortion or more Manchin style candidates, I just don't think this idea that they should propose more socialist-or-socialist-lite policies is what will get more people on board. They just need a candidate people want to have a beer with.
Manchin is the type of guy a lot of Americans would like to have beers with, sadly.
By Rhaegar Jergaryen Go To PostManchin is the type of guy a lot of Americans would like to have beers with, sadly.
Manchin is the type of guy people in WV want to have a beer with, thankfully. He should be included in the list of senators that didn't' cave to right wing pressure while in states that are solid red during the AHCA / BCRA shit.
By Smokey Go To PostPolls again, huh
By reilo Go To PostBruh, you're smarter than this.
I said something similar a week or so ago and like 5 users got an erection at the thought of giving me the business. "Math is hard" and all that.
I see you.
Y'all still trying to figure this out using logic. What happened this weekend is a product not of logic, but of feeling. Cognitive dissonance retreating into confirmation bias, empowered by The Legend of the Lost Cause.
The left will have to invision an antithesis to this, like a Joe Biden who also does not give any F's; yet the DNC was bought with a price, as we all know with Hilldawg.
By Fenderputty Go To Post2006 was the Dem wave election year followed by another wave in 2008 to take all the houses. Both directly related to Bush tanking the economy and dragging us into an unneeded war. The pendulum swung heavily in our favor and then we voted for a black man and passed healthcare and the pendulum swung back hard in the opposing direction. Why do you not add any context to this? Like … everYou have no idea what you're talking about when it comes to Oklahoma.
The state had one Republican governor in its entire history before our current one. The Democratic Party of Oklahoma might as well not exist now.
Part of the blame for that has to fall on the DNC. Under Dean, Kaine, Brazile, and Wasserman-Schultz they have repeatedly gotten destroyed on the state and local levels.
Progressive-minded people exist in "red states" too, and we have been completely abandoned by the only national party that is supposed to represent our interests.
There's some context for you.
By KingGondo Go To PostYou have no idea what you're talking about when it comes to Oklahoma.
The state had one Republican governor in its entire history before our current one. The Democratic Party of Oklahoma might as well not exist now.
Part of the blame for that has to fall on the DNC. Under Dean, Kaine, Brazile, and Wasserman-Schultz they have repeatedly gotten destroyed on the state and local levels.
Progressive-minded people exist in "red states" too, and we have been completely abandoned by the only national party that is supposed to represent our interests.
There's some context for you.
Ok man. I'm sure your state was special in the 2006 Democratic wave and was uber special during the pendulum swing back. You're not even including how Obama basically abandoned party politics once elected and the DNC suffered because of it.
Yeah I was reading that I think yesterday. Seems pretty huge.
Profexer’s posts, already accessible only to a small band of fellow hackers and cybercriminals looking for software tips, blinked out in January — just days after American intelligence agencies publicly identified a program he had written as one tool used in Russian hacking in the United States. American intelligence agencies have determined Russian hackers were behind the electronic break-in of the Democratic National Committee.
But while Profexer’s online persona vanished, a flesh-and-blood person has emerged: a fearful man who the Ukrainian police said turned himself in early this year, and has now become a witness for the F.B.I.
“I don’t know what will happen,” he wrote in one of his last messages posted on a restricted-access website before going to the police. “It won’t be pleasant. But I’m still alive.”
By reilo Go To Post
By KingGondo Go To PostLol
MOSCOW (AFP) -
Russia's internet watchdog said Thursday it had called on a domain provider to stop hosting the website of a US white supremacist group under fire following the Charlottesville violence.
The Daily Stormer, which helped organise last weekend's rally that led to deadly clashes with counter-demonstrators, was dropped by its US service providers earlier this week.
But it had registered in Russia at the address dailystormer.ru.
On Wednesday the website's page on VK.com, a popular Russian social media network, announced they were "back on the normie web," linking to their new Russian website.
AFP was able to access the page briefly on Wednesday evening, where one headline read "A tale of true friendship: Trump called Putin to get us a new domain!"
But within hours, the page was down again, and Russia's internet watchdog on Thursday explained it had made the request to take it offline.
Alexander Zharov, the head of Russia's telecommunications watchdog Roskomnadzor, said in a statement that they had asked the domain registrar Ru-center to "quickly" stop hosting it.
The website "promotes neo-Nazi ideology and fuels racist, nationalist and other types of hatred," he added in the statement.
http://www.france24.com/en/20170817-russia-drops-us-neo-nazi-site-ru-domain
When the guys who jail people for being gay are like "whoah comrade, back off, you're crazy."
Tennessee has the racism slider set to max, yet even it's got senators bailing on Trump over this stuff:
https://www.cnbc.com/2017/08/17/sen-corker-trump-has-not-shown-stability-or-competence-he-needs.html
The amount of republicans speaking out is kind of surprising, given that the numbers are actually pretty mild given how crazy what happened was:
45% of the country - and the majority of their base - was like "no, that was fine."
By MSNBCI do think there need to be some radical changes," Corker told reporters, according to a video posted by a reporter for Nooga.com. "The president has not yet been able to demonstrate the stability nor some of the competence that he needs to demonstrate in order to be successful ... And we need for him to be successful. Our nation needs for him to be successful."
Republican criticism of Trump has mounted since the car attack by a suspected white nationalist in Charlottesville, Virginia, killed one person and injured many others.
https://www.cnbc.com/2017/08/17/sen-corker-trump-has-not-shown-stability-or-competence-he-needs.html
The amount of republicans speaking out is kind of surprising, given that the numbers are actually pretty mild given how crazy what happened was:
45% of the country - and the majority of their base - was like "no, that was fine."
By livefromkyoto Go To PostTennessee has the racism slider set to max, yet even it's got senators bailing on Trump over this stuff:
https://www.cnbc.com/2017/08/17/sen-corker-trump-has-not-shown-stability-or-competence-he-needs.html
The amount of republicans speaking out is kind of surprising, given that the numbers are actually pretty mild given how crazy what happened was:
45% of the country - and the majority of their base - was like "no, that was fine."
Those independent numbers are atrocious, and the GOP generally needs those IND votes to win anything. I had a feeling his die hard nationalist base, along with the rest of the diet racist republicans, would totally enjoy the false equivalency though. Enthusiasm is part of the vote game too. The stuff Trump said is the kinda thing that gets liberals to the voting booth.
By Fenderputty Go To PostThe stuff Trump said is the kinda thing that gets liberals to the voting booth.Why didn't they during this past election?
By Kibner Go To PostWhy didn't they during this past election?
Because "bad hombre" is a step or two away from tacitly supporting Nazis (Or at least I hope). I think a lot of people see Trump as a showman and assume a lot of his stuff was an act. We're finding out it wasn't.
I can't count how many liberals thought he would be just as good for Gay rights has Hillary, and I definitely can't count how many thought she would be a bigger hawk. Lots of people thought he was an "unknown quantity" and felt like taking a chance over the known "crook"
He did far more than that and his ties to the KKK via his father were also well publicized. He made of people with disabilities, called Mexicans rapists, and may other things. He made it as obvious as he always did that he is a terrible person with few morals.
By Kibner Go To PostHe did far more than that and his ties to the KKK via his father were also well publicized. He made of people with disabilities, called Mexicans rapists, and may other things. He made it as obvious as he always did that he is a terrible person with few morals.
It was obvious to you and I, sure. It wasn't obvious to a lot of people though. If it was, those sentiments wouldn't have existed that I listed above. There was a theory that at the time people were being saturated by so many different Trump controversies that it was hard for them to let each sink in. Conversely, most of the Clinton scandals had years to percolate.
That's why we're seeing so many "Trump shows his true colors" articles right now.
I agree with you. It's like ... "he's only NOW showing his colors?" That narrative exists for a reason though.
Some positive news: This is a picture of people trying to turn themselves in for taking down that NC Durham statue