I would much rather a competent unoriginal film than a shit original one. People keep saying this, "oh, at least the prequels had some ideas."
Well, they were executed fucking catastrophically so that renders every single creative decision null and void.
The Force Awakens had a really tough job. It had to cater to people who wanted old Star Wars back, a safe and predictable and fun ride. It had to cater to prequel fans. It had to cater to three or four generations of audiences. It had to cater to critics.
And 700m in a week, 95% on RT and an overwhelmingly positive audience response tells me he did exactly the right thing.
I'm not saying it wasn't safe, predictable and unoriginal. I just don't deem that a problem. It's a fun blockbuster. I watch for two hours and enjoy immensely and then I go and shit a plethora of kernels out and forget about it. It doesn't need to be earth-shattering. It doesn't need to be wholly unique and original. It needed to be fun and remind people of what the old Star Wars were capable of. Seems like it did that.
Well, they were executed fucking catastrophically so that renders every single creative decision null and void.
The Force Awakens had a really tough job. It had to cater to people who wanted old Star Wars back, a safe and predictable and fun ride. It had to cater to prequel fans. It had to cater to three or four generations of audiences. It had to cater to critics.
And 700m in a week, 95% on RT and an overwhelmingly positive audience response tells me he did exactly the right thing.
I'm not saying it wasn't safe, predictable and unoriginal. I just don't deem that a problem. It's a fun blockbuster. I watch for two hours and enjoy immensely and then I go and shit a plethora of kernels out and forget about it. It doesn't need to be earth-shattering. It doesn't need to be wholly unique and original. It needed to be fun and remind people of what the old Star Wars were capable of. Seems like it did that.
By n8 Go To PostI would much rather a competent unoriginal film than a shit original one. People keep saying this, "oh, at least the prequels had some ideas."
Well, they were executed fucking catastrophically so that renders every single creative decision null and void.
The Force Awakens had a really tough job. It had to cater to people who wanted old Star Wars back, a safe and predictable and fun ride. It had to cater to prequel fans. It had to cater to three or four generations of audiences. It had to cater to critics.
And 700m in a week, 95% on RT and an overwhelmingly positive audience response tells me he did exactly the right thing.
I'm not saying it wasn't safe, predictable and unoriginal. I just don't deem that a problem. It's a fun blockbuster. I watch for two hours and enjoy immensely and then I go and shit a plethora of kernels out and forget about it. It doesn't need to be earth-shattering. It doesn't need to be wholly unique and original. It needed to be fun and remind people of what the old Star Wars were capable of. Seems like it did that.
Great post and I will give it the response it deserves in the morning, but I have had a few too many drinks and need to hit the sack.
Gosh I love talking about Star Wars. The good, the bad, and the ugly
I can see why they made it safe, almost sterile. Fortunately it had a likable cast and good looking set pieces.
I'm still gonna knock it for being safe to a fault. It's possible to point this out as criticism, while also acknowledging why it is so.
I'm still gonna knock it for being safe to a fault. It's possible to point this out as criticism, while also acknowledging why it is so.
By n8 Go To PostBlack x wing. Cooler stormtrooper costume. Better red lightsaber. Stormtrooper protagonist.You're either surprisingly ignorant concerning Star Wars's cultural inspirations (I doubt it) or being willfully reductive as a cheap rhetorical tactic.
Star Wars was a pastiche of Flash Gordon in the first place. But its almost 40 years later. I'm not surprised you're not surprised.
Star Wars had numerous sources, but the Force Awakens draws almost exclusively from Star Wars itself or things influenced by Star Wars. It's Star Wars in an arena of exploding mirrors. I think you still have some shards in your eyes.
By n8 Go To PostThe Force Awakens had a really tough job. It had to cater to people who wanted old Star Wars back, a safe and predictable and fun ride. It had to cater to prequel fans. It had to cater to three or four generations of audiences. It had to cater to critics.You can keep repeating this until your fingers drop off, and it still won't make any difference to me. Knowing the circumstances of the film's production doesn't suddenly make me accomodating to its failures (this knowledge can, in some cases, enrich the experience, but it can't save it), even if I find it hilarious to see you repeatedly track back to this same point in your justifications, and I most certainly don't care how well it's failing or succeeding monetarily or even critically (that you do is a little sad; can't you enjoy something without a collective pat on the back?).
And 700m in a week, 95% on RT and an overwhelmingly positive audience response tells me he did exactly the right thing.
I just expect a little more of my entertainment than witless, pandering rehashes.
Well, I do enjoy it. And so did far more people than didn't.
So if they had deviated from the rehash and risked doing something completely different or prequel-esque, you may well have liked it more, flabber.
I'm glad they didn't, because I liked what they gave me.
It's a blockbuster film, lol. It doesn't sound like the type of thing you enjoy at all. I don't know why you even bothered.
So if they had deviated from the rehash and risked doing something completely different or prequel-esque, you may well have liked it more, flabber.
I'm glad they didn't, because I liked what they gave me.
It's a blockbuster film, lol. It doesn't sound like the type of thing you enjoy at all. I don't know why you even bothered.
By n8 Go To PostSo if they had deviated from the rehash and risked doing something completely different or prequel-esque, you may well have liked it more, flabber.I never demanded a radical deviation from the original trilogy; I've actually stated quite explicitly the opposite.
It's a blockbuster film, lol. It doesn't sound like the type of thing you enjoy at all. I don't know why you even bothered.
Why did I watch it? Why do I care? I was obsessed with the films as a child, and can still, to this day, appreciate them - some more than others (I watched them again in the week preceding the release of The Force Awakens).
What I wanted from the new one was something comparable to them. 'Comparable' for me, however, does not mean simply 'copied', because the act of copying itself has an accompanying effect on the work.
Star Wars at its best aspired to something higher than senseless regurgitation. The Force Awakens is more than content, in contrast, with being low-minded trash. When it isn't such, it almost seems to achieve something more in spite of itself.
Eh. Copies it quite a lot on a plot level. Enough variation in character, dialogue, acting, and little twists on familiar material that it really didn't bother me at all.
I was never one to moan about the fact that Return of the Jedi rehashed the Death Star plot; it was the lifeless, poorly executed film around that storyline that sank that. This film here is well acted, looks great, has energy and vibrancy and wit. It just also happens to be similar to another film. Plot ain't important enough to me - especially in a Star Wars movie - to place its familiarity above all other qualities.
I was never one to moan about the fact that Return of the Jedi rehashed the Death Star plot; it was the lifeless, poorly executed film around that storyline that sank that. This film here is well acted, looks great, has energy and vibrancy and wit. It just also happens to be similar to another film. Plot ain't important enough to me - especially in a Star Wars movie - to place its familiarity above all other qualities.
By n8 Go To PostI was never one to moan about the fact that Return of the Jedi rehashed the Death Star plot
Episode 1 did too. Anakin destroys the big ship, very much like the Death Star.
Lucas justifies it by saying he's not copying an idea, he's using them like he would write rhymes. I think it's dumb.
2 days after and I´m still buzzing about it. It was one of the greatest cinema experiences I had, not just because of the movie but also because of everything around it. I watched it on a local cinema of an island that has a population of just about 50.000, where the there´s normally only 4 or 5 showings for every movie and it´s very rarely sold out. All 8 showings were sold out less than 3 days after they started selling the tickets. Many people went 2 or 3 times, the cinema hired people dressed as Vader, Leia, a Stormtrooper, some generic Jedis and a female Bobba Fett and people could take photos with them before entering the theater, all this with Star Wars songs blasting in the atrium. About 30% of the audience had some kind of Star Wars merch like tshirts or even lightsabers. Fathers taking their kids to their first theatrical experience, whole families joining up for this. It felt like an event, not just the showing of a movie. I don´t know if any other franchise in the world is capable of something like this.
I loved, loved, loved the movie. I really like the fact that Kylo Ren is still a not fully trained Sith. He is clearly very powerful (stopping that blaster shot was so badass) but he is an emotional mess. I want to know more about him, about how he turned.
Once again we had a father and a son on a bridge but this time with deadly results. I hope they don´t find a way to bring Solo back to life. We already have a new Han Solo and his name is Poe.
BB-8 was the best movie robot since WALL-E, they really nailed him perfectly. I could hear the laughs and the "aww"´s when he was on screen.
Rey and Finn had perfect chemistry on screen. I loved they didn´t force a romantic plot there, it´s clear that they have great respect and care for each other but they didn´t just turn it into a love affair already.
I could stay all the day talking about how good the movie is but I feel like everything I could say was already posted here.
The one true negative thing that I can point is Snoke, the CGI was crappy and we still don´t know anything about him.
I wish I could watch it again soon. I want to watch it multiple times.
Star Wars is back and it´s back with a bang.
I loved, loved, loved the movie. I really like the fact that Kylo Ren is still a not fully trained Sith. He is clearly very powerful (stopping that blaster shot was so badass) but he is an emotional mess. I want to know more about him, about how he turned.
Once again we had a father and a son on a bridge but this time with deadly results. I hope they don´t find a way to bring Solo back to life. We already have a new Han Solo and his name is Poe.
BB-8 was the best movie robot since WALL-E, they really nailed him perfectly. I could hear the laughs and the "aww"´s when he was on screen.
Rey and Finn had perfect chemistry on screen. I loved they didn´t force a romantic plot there, it´s clear that they have great respect and care for each other but they didn´t just turn it into a love affair already.
I could stay all the day talking about how good the movie is but I feel like everything I could say was already posted here.
The one true negative thing that I can point is Snoke, the CGI was crappy and we still don´t know anything about him.
I wish I could watch it again soon. I want to watch it multiple times.
Star Wars is back and it´s back with a bang.
Next film should be about Finn and Poe broing it out and Finn learning how to pilot a damn starfighter properly while Rey does her jedi stuff.
I need more Finn and Poe plz
I need more Finn and Poe plz
By JBird20022 Go To PostNext film should be about Finn and Poe broing it out and Finn learning how to pilot a damn starfighter properly while Rey does her jedi stuff.Poe should be the new captain of the Millennium Falcon.
I need more Finn and Poe plz
By n8 Go To PostEh. Copies it quite a lot on a plot level. Enough variation in character, dialogue, acting, and little twists on familiar material that it really didn't bother me at all.I'd be willing to grant you the point that a plot isn't necessarily important, but none of it felt like actual plotting. Instead, references and recreations provide the suggestion of an evolving plot for a film that's far more interested in getting to the next chase scene, starship dogfight, blaster shootout, or lightsaber duel. They're lab-tested samples of A New Hope, Empire Strikes Back, and Return of the Jedi pulped into a stream of nitroglycerin.
I was never one to moan about the fact that Return of the Jedi rehashed the Death Star plot; it was the lifeless, poorly executed film around that storyline that sank that. This film here is well acted, looks great, has energy and vibrancy and wit. It just also happens to be similar to another film. Plot ain't important enough to me - especially in a Star Wars movie - to place its familiarity above all other qualities.
And that's pretty much why we enjoyed it.
It captured the soul of Star Wars. The sense of adventure, fun, and passion that the prequels lacked.
It captured the soul of Star Wars. The sense of adventure, fun, and passion that the prequels lacked.
By flabber Go To PostIn episode IX, they should just transform planets into missiles and fire them into other planets..
Red Dwarf innit
In episode 9 it will be revealed that the entire resistance started because of them finding some Hitler documents and they are following it
Rey could be a Kenobi, right? Although its highly unlikely considering the numerous Skywalker hints
I mean they brought back Ewan McGregor just to say that one line after all
I mean they brought back Ewan McGregor just to say that one line after all
Well, looks like I got banned for being hostile in the "Is Rey a Mary Sue" thread on GAF. Can't say I wasn't hostile, but it does suck I got permed for it. :/
Obiwan must have been up to more than just hermiting it out on Tatooine if the Rebels knew about him.
My guess is ol'd Ben got jiggy and had a daughter who later got with Luke, thus leading to Rey.
By Yurt Go To PostRey could be a Kenobi, right? Although its highly unlikely considering the numerous Skywalker hints
I mean they brought back Ewan McGregor just to say that one line after all
Obiwan must have been up to more than just hermiting it out on Tatooine if the Rebels knew about him.
My guess is ol'd Ben got jiggy and had a daughter who later got with Luke, thus leading to Rey.
By HasphatsAnts Go To PostStar Wars is serious bidness mangit is.
i haven't been to bigger sites that often in the past week or two but GEEZ people are really lining up dissertations about this stuff
i'm just like yo - my little brother, my dad, and i just had a three generation nerd out over this. be happy, you fucks lol
By HasphatsAnts Go To PostStar Wars is serious bidness mang
True say.
Absolutely brilliant comedy about soldier bred for war initially being scared of blood, losing the bottle to do his job and getting bitchmade for a girl that ultimately friendzones him whilst he's unconscious.
Amazing ten outta ten
Amazing ten outta ten
By Prolapse Go To PostAbsolutely brilliant comedy about soldier bred for war initially being scared of blood, losing the bottle to do his job and getting bitchmade for a girl that ultimately friendzones him whilst he's unconscious.
Amazing ten outta ten
Do you use the word simp outside of the internet?
It was alright. I'm pretty far from a StarWars fan, but I enjoyed myself. Won't be watching it again, but I'll for sure watch the sequels and hope they take some risks and hopefully make Ray a more compelling character.
By darth n8er Go To PostI would much rather a competent unoriginal film than a shit original one. People keep saying this, "oh, at least the prequels had some ideas."
Well, they were executed fucking catastrophically so that renders every single creative decision null and void.
The Force Awakens had a really tough job. It had to cater to people who wanted old Star Wars back, a safe and predictable and fun ride. It had to cater to prequel fans. It had to cater to three or four generations of audiences. It had to cater to critics.
And 700m in a week, 95% on RT and an overwhelmingly positive audience response tells me he did exactly the right thing.
I'm not saying it wasn't safe, predictable and unoriginal. I just don't deem that a problem. It's a fun blockbuster. I watch for two hours and enjoy immensely and then I go and shit a plethora of kernels out and forget about it. It doesn't need to be earth-shattering. It doesn't need to be wholly unique and original. It needed to be fun and remind people of what the old Star Wars were capable of. Seems like it did that.
I have tried to write a reply to this, but everytime I do it just results in me writing a defence of the PT.
At the end of the day, it doesn't remind me of original Star Wars, but it does for you.
I think something like Star Wars is wholly personal to the watcher, so will just leave it at that,
I think I've read dozens of articles on TFA in the last two weeks, but this one sums up better than any other why I'm so fond of TFA.
http://www.salon.com/2015/12/24/from_a_new_hope_to_no_hope_at_all_star_wars_tolkien_and_the_sinister_and_depressing_reality_of_expanded_universes/
http://www.salon.com/2015/12/24/from_a_new_hope_to_no_hope_at_all_star_wars_tolkien_and_the_sinister_and_depressing_reality_of_expanded_universes/
By BertramCooper Go To PostI think I've read dozens of articles on TFA in the last two weeks, but this one sums up better than any other why I'm so fond of TFA.That was a good read.
http://www.salon.com/2015/12/24/from_a_new_hope_to_no_hope_at_all_star_wars_tolkien_and_the_sinister_and_depressing_reality_of_expanded_universes/