It's a Tuesday night and i gotta school yo arses with some Buildzoid vids on the subject?
It's for Ryzen, but it was last time I saw this topic pop up.
Stock, idle: 1.5Ghz @ 0.4v = 71w total system power draw at the wall.
Overclocked, idle: 3.9Ghz @ 1.41v = 80w total system power draw at the wall.
There's a difference, it's just not significant enough to care about.
It's for Ryzen, but it was last time I saw this topic pop up.
Stock, idle: 1.5Ghz @ 0.4v = 71w total system power draw at the wall.
Overclocked, idle: 3.9Ghz @ 1.41v = 80w total system power draw at the wall.
There's a difference, it's just not significant enough to care about.
Voltage kinda doesnt really matter either, you can a constant voltage and with EIST have the frequency drop. It starts to matter when you have a 15w TDP CPU and want extra minutes of batttery but not really on desktops.
Argus Monitor is god damn godsend. How the fuck is Speedfan even the default recommendation for fan control when this exists and isn't total shit to actually use.
Clean UI, easy to use, fan curves that actually fucking work properly. I'm in awe.
Clean UI, easy to use, fan curves that actually fucking work properly. I'm in awe.
Vapes / diehard
I'm back on the OC train. But something weird is happening. During Cinebench, it's not running at 5ghz constant. In fact look at the pic below
But on my desktop it's at 5ghz or around there
What's going on here?
My settings are -
CPU Ratio - 50
CPU Current - 140%
Voltage - 1.375 (ends up running around 1.35 due to vdroop, see pic)
LLC - 7
MCE - Disabled
XMP 1
edit - Just did it again with HWinfo on my secondary screen. Soon as load hits, it drops to 4.7. Then it'll go down as low as 3.2. While Cinebench is running.
edit 2 - enabled the setting in bios that stops it from throttling. set it at 255 which is max. And it still ended up dropping down to 3.2 during load.
I'm back on the OC train. But something weird is happening. During Cinebench, it's not running at 5ghz constant. In fact look at the pic below
But on my desktop it's at 5ghz or around there
What's going on here?
My settings are -
CPU Ratio - 50
CPU Current - 140%
Voltage - 1.375 (ends up running around 1.35 due to vdroop, see pic)
LLC - 7
MCE - Disabled
XMP 1
edit - Just did it again with HWinfo on my secondary screen. Soon as load hits, it drops to 4.7. Then it'll go down as low as 3.2. While Cinebench is running.
edit 2 - enabled the setting in bios that stops it from throttling. set it at 255 which is max. And it still ended up dropping down to 3.2 during load.
Assuming temps are in check? BIOS up to date?
I don't have these issues on my superior ASRock board that's half the size of yours, lel.
I don't have these issues on my superior ASRock board that's half the size of yours, lel.
Yup. BIOS is at 1105. Turning MCE on seems to keep it at 5ghz during load, but temps reach 95c or so.
Well, this thread got me to looking at my mobo's options. I see that I have Precision Boost Overdrive on "Auto". So, I changed it to "Enabled". This allows the board to break AMD spec and just give the CPU all the power the board can handle. My single thread clock seems to have gone up 100 mHz. Gonna have to play with it to see if it is stable or not.
Wondering if I have a defective board or something. I raised voltage all the way up to 1.4v just to see if that was the cause, and it's still not maintaining 5ghz with MCE off. If it was around 5ghz or so I'd be ok, but all the way down to 3.1ghz, under load?
By Smokey Go To PostYup. BIOS is at 1105. Turning MCE on seems to keep it at 5ghz during load, but temps reach 95c or so.some strange things, at LLC 7 you should be getting more vcore under load than what you are setting it at.
Did you max both the "long duration package power limit" and "short duration package power limit" ? Maybe try running throttlestop or Intel xtreme tuning utility while it runs and see if they will tell you a throttle reason. Also, max your "CPU Core/Cache Current Limit Max"
Do you by chance have an AVX offset of 3?
update: at 1.4v and LLC 7 are you sure youre not thermal throttling?
By diehard Go To Postsome strange things, at LLC 7 you should be getting more vcore under load than what you are setting it at.
Did you max both the "long duration package power limit" and "short duration package power limit" ? Maybe try running throttlestop or Intel xtreme tuning utility while it runs and see if they will tell you a throttle reason. Also, max your "CPU Core/Cache Current Limit Max"
Do you by chance have an AVX offset of 3?
update: at 1.4v and LLC 7 are you sure youre not thermal throttling?
At what temp point would I be thermal throttling? And I do have CPU Core/Cache set to 255.5 which is max. I didn't touch the AVX offset. There has to be something causing it to go down to damn near 3ghz?
Here's a pic of current settings
We might have success bois
I set Long Duration Package Power Limit, Package Power Time Window, and Short Duration Package Power Limit to their max (4095,127,4095 respectively). I had this set before, but I upgraded my BIOS a few days ago and must've forgot I had these on at one time. And diehard-san reminded me as well. Setting these up and reducing the voltage to 1.35 got me through 3 runs of CB with the core clock staying at 4.997 - 5.0ghz.
Under load voltage drops down to 1.314.
I set Long Duration Package Power Limit, Package Power Time Window, and Short Duration Package Power Limit to their max (4095,127,4095 respectively). I had this set before, but I upgraded my BIOS a few days ago and must've forgot I had these on at one time. And diehard-san reminded me as well. Setting these up and reducing the voltage to 1.35 got me through 3 runs of CB with the core clock staying at 4.997 - 5.0ghz.
Under load voltage drops down to 1.314.
Running prime now, 12k, without avx. About 81c for the entire CPU. Going to let it run for about an hour. With AVX on that shit shot up to like 98c.
prime95 with avx is like the worst possible case scenario that will never be seen in a real workload.. so if you start throttling with that its kinda OK.
By Smokey Go To Postwhats good min fft and max fft to test in prime?Use this tool, instead: https://www.ocbase.com/
By Kibner Go To PostUse this tool, instead: https://www.ocbase.com/
Using this and realbench, thanks.
By Smokey Go To PostUsing this and realbench, thanks.You may need to set the max temperature your CPU is rated for in the app's settings. Mine was defaulted to 90C but I lowered it to 85C since that is the spec on AMD's website for the 2700x. The program will automatically stop running once it reaches that temperature as a safeguard.
Running that test made me realize that my system fan that points directly at the CPU was tuned to react to the system temperature instead of the CPU. So, I fixed that and also tuned one of my other system fans to the PCH chipset that it was close to. Should have even better cooling now. I was also able to run the test with no issues, even on max load, once I fixed that.
Think I'm gonna reseat the cooler and reapply thermal paste. Not tonight though. I could barely get OCCT started without failing and for kicks I put everything back to default in BIOS, ran OCCT, and the test stopped because of a core reaching the set limit (95c). That shouldn't be happening at stock clocks and with lower voltage.
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By Smokey Go To PostThink I'm gonna reseat the cooler and reapply thermal paste. Not tonight though. I could barely get OCCT started without failing and for kicks I put everything back to default in BIOS, ran OCCT, and the test stopped because of a core reaching the set limit (95c). That shouldn't be happening at stock clocks and with lower voltage.That seems suss as fuck. My 9900K is pretty special since it has been delidded and has a full copper IHS on it, but even so, my temps have never been that bad on a 240 AIO.
When I first put it in my system I had the NH-D9L cooling it, a pretty dinky air cooler. MCE enabled, power limits unlocked, etc. and it took a solid 2 minutes to reach 90c. With the same settings and on an Eisbaer LT240. 15 minutes of Prime95 26.6 small FFTs resulted in the absolute max temp of 79c.
All this in a shoebox of a case btw.
Think it might be a good idea to check how the tiny VRM / memory heatsinks on my 1080ti are doing. Haven't heard any *plonks* and nothing's overheating, but the thermal tape I used gave me a very distinct "no way this holds for more than a couple of months" feeling.
By Zabojnik Go To PostThink it might be a good idea to check how the tiny VRM / memory heatsinks on my 1080ti are doing. Haven't heard any *plonks* and nothing's overheating, but the thermal tape I used gave me a very distinct "no way this holds for more than a couple of months" feeling.
I used cheap thermal tape off Amazon and I was surprised they all stayed on on my 2080Ti. Apart from 1 or 2 that didn't have much surface area to stick to, they all required a firm twist to pull off.
By HottestVapes Go To PostI used cheap thermal tape off Amazon and I was surprised they all stayed on on my 2080Ti. Apart from 1 or 2 that didn't have much surface area to stick to, they all required a firm twist to pull off.They might be fine for all I know, however I had one of them fall off after I barely brushed it a minute after I installed it, hence my feeling.
I still have that 20x20cm low profile aluminum heatsink plate somewhere, waiting to be cut and installed, but I'm not feeling up for it atm. Think it's gonna stay shelved until the next custom cooled GPU comes into play.
By HottestVapes Go To PostThat seems suss as fuck. My 9900K is pretty special since it has been delidded and has a full copper IHS on it, but even so, my temps have never been that bad on a 240 AIO.
When I first put it in my system I had the NH-D9L cooling it, a pretty dinky air cooler. MCE enabled, power limits unlocked, etc. and it took a solid 2 minutes to reach 90c. With the same settings and on an Eisbaer LT240. 15 minutes of Prime95 26.6 small FFTs resulted in the absolute max temp of 79c.
All this in a shoebox of a case btw.
Yeah it has to either not be seated all the way on the cpu, of something with the thermal paste. It shouldn't be doing that at stock at all . This is really the first time I've tried getting to 5ghz or stress testing the chip, really. I did the AI OC thing with a click, and off I went. Maybe that thing actually worked , because me trying to push further has been hit/miss.
3.95 GHz all-core at 79C on my 2700x when running the power supply test for OCCT for 15 minutes. Base GTX 1070 ran at 1.82 GHz and was 73C. I might run the MSI Afterburner OC scanner again to see if recent software updates and my own configuration changes can get more out of it.
e: i should mention that i have virtualization and some other CPU options enabled, limiting my raw clock speed
e: i should mention that i have virtualization and some other CPU options enabled, limiting my raw clock speed
I wonder how long it will be before manufacturers start to figure out how to auto-OC RAM like they do CPUs and GPUs now. Or maybe it just isn't possible due to the inherent nature of how RAM works?
Triple post, but fuck it. I need to do like you boys and set a voltage offset to allow even higher boosting and lower temperatures. Maybe today? I dunno.
By Smokey Go To PostYeah it has to either not be seated all the way on the cpu, of something with the thermal paste. It shouldn't be doing that at stock at all . This is really the first time I've tried getting to 5ghz or stress testing the chip, really. I did the AI OC thing with a click, and off I went. Maybe that thing actually worked , because me trying to push further has been hit/miss.Your ability to build a computer is coming into question, Smokey. Maybe next time you should get a prebuilt like Laboured.
By HottestVapes Go To PostYour ability to build a computer is coming into question, Smokey. Maybe next time you should get a prebuilt like Laboured.
Go drink poison, how about that
Alright, fucked around with undervolting. I am stable at -0.5 and my all-core clocks are about 50 MHz faster (an even 4 GHz, now). Increased my Cinebench score by ~130 for an average bench score of around 3980. I tried going one step lower to -0.625, and it was a tiny bit faster in Cinebench, but wasn't always stable.
My results would be better if I turned off virtualization on the CPU, but not really willing to do that. They would also be better if I could get my memory stable at a speed higher than 2933 MHz and I am not willing to put forth the time and effort to do that.
My results would be better if I turned off virtualization on the CPU, but not really willing to do that. They would also be better if I could get my memory stable at a speed higher than 2933 MHz and I am not willing to put forth the time and effort to do that.
By Smokey Go To PostGo drink poison, how about that😶
The recent Asus one gets you pretty close. It's still a little bit higher, but not like it used to be.
vapes-kun i may go up to £1,500. May be able to save some cash on the case by going with the last one i bought which about 45 and doing the job in the current build. Can't find any decent reviews for that curved monitor outside of amazon "hurrit show piktor" reviews lol.
By Facism Go To Postvapes-kun i may go up to £1,500. May be able to save some cash on the case by going with the last one i bought which about 45 and doing the job in the current build. Can't find any decent reviews for that curved monitor outside of amazon "hurrit show piktor" reviews lol.
Going up to £1500, just put it into a better monitor. I’ll have a look soon, see what’ll fit the budget and what’s good in your price range and get back to you.
Righto, Facismo. If you were to go to £1500, you could get this Asus monitor. https://uk.pcpartpicker.com/product/c298TW/asus-monitor-mg279q
It seems to be the cheapest IPS 1440p/144hz monitor on the market currently, and it's 27 inch. Seems well reviewed, but I'll let you dig into that.
That including the price of a Meshify C, but dropping down to 16Gb of RAM from 32Gb to bring the total down to £1520~.
Dropping the price of the case, keeping 32Gb of RAM and with that Asus monitor, you get this.
You could still save £60~ by dropping down to 16Gb of RAM, but at this point in the PC building game, i'd go with 32Gb. Even if it's not a huge benefit right now, it shouldn't be a huge bottleneck in the next 3-4 years. Assuming games will start to use over 16Gb when developers start stretching their legs with the next gen consoles.
It seems to be the cheapest IPS 1440p/144hz monitor on the market currently, and it's 27 inch. Seems well reviewed, but I'll let you dig into that.
That including the price of a Meshify C, but dropping down to 16Gb of RAM from 32Gb to bring the total down to £1520~.
Dropping the price of the case, keeping 32Gb of RAM and with that Asus monitor, you get this.
PCPartPicker Part List: https://uk.pcpartpicker.com/list/CLzTdX
CPU: AMD Ryzen 5 3600 3.6 GHz 6-Core Processor (£188.50 @ Aria PC)
Motherboard: MSI B450 Gaming Plus ATX AM4 Motherboard (£83.25 @ CCL Computers)
Memory: Corsair Vengeance LPX 32 GB (2 x 16 GB) DDR4-3000 Memory (£130.94 @ Aria PC)
Storage: Crucial P1 1 TB M.2-2280 NVME Solid State Drive (£84.39 @ Amazon UK)
Video Card: MSI GeForce RTX 2070 SUPER 8 GB VENTUS OC Video Card (£494.98 @ Amazon UK)
Power Supply: SeaSonic EVO Edition 620 W 80+ Bronze Certified Fully Modular ATX Power Supply (£69.98 @ CCL Computers)
Monitor: Asus MG279Q 27.0" 2560x1440 144 Hz Monitor (£449.99 @ Amazon UK)
Total: £1502.03
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2019-08-07 22:55 BST+0100
You could still save £60~ by dropping down to 16Gb of RAM, but at this point in the PC building game, i'd go with 32Gb. Even if it's not a huge benefit right now, it shouldn't be a huge bottleneck in the next 3-4 years. Assuming games will start to use over 16Gb when developers start stretching their legs with the next gen consoles.
I'd definitely drop the ram to 16gb, if it impacts stuff like monitor, gpu, cpu or even the case. Can always be added later on with 0 hassle.
The joys of having more than 2 DIMM slots on a motherboard. Forgot all about that.
Drop to 16Gb and upgrade to a non-shit CPU cooler. I'm quick to recommend Noctua, and you've got the space for a D15 but it'll set you £20 over budget. The U14S is worth a shout too, but for the same price you can get a BeQuiet DRP4. Not sure how the mounting bracket is for it, but it'll out perform the U14S.
By Zabojnik Go To PostI'd definitely drop the ram to 16gb, if it impacts stuff like monitor, gpu, cpu or even the case. Can always be added later on with 0 hassle.
Drop to 16Gb and upgrade to a non-shit CPU cooler. I'm quick to recommend Noctua, and you've got the space for a D15 but it'll set you £20 over budget. The U14S is worth a shout too, but for the same price you can get a BeQuiet DRP4. Not sure how the mounting bracket is for it, but it'll out perform the U14S.
PCPartPicker Part List: https://uk.pcpartpicker.com/list/QvKtV6
CPU: AMD Ryzen 5 3600 3.6 GHz 6-Core Processor (£188.50 @ Aria PC)
CPU Cooler: be quiet! Dark Rock 4 CPU Cooler (£55.98 @ Aria PC)
Motherboard: MSI B450 Gaming Plus ATX AM4 Motherboard (£83.25 @ CCL Computers)
Memory: Corsair Vengeance LPX 16 GB (2 x 8 GB) DDR4-3000 Memory (£73.98 @ Aria PC)
Storage: Crucial P1 1 TB M.2-2280 NVME Solid State Drive (£84.39 @ Amazon UK)
Video Card: MSI GeForce RTX 2070 SUPER 8 GB VENTUS OC Video Card (£494.98 @ Amazon UK)
Power Supply: SeaSonic EVO Edition 620 W 80+ Bronze Certified Fully Modular ATX Power Supply (£69.98 @ CCL Computers)
Monitor: Asus MG279Q 27.0" 2560x1440 144 Hz Monitor (£449.99 @ Amazon UK)
Total: £1501.05
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2019-08-07 23:54 BST+0100
The new AMD server chips are pretty good: https://www.anandtech.com/show/14694/amd-rome-epyc-2nd-gen/9
Fuck me, most of the "premium" 2070 super cards that are humanly priced are sold out. In Germany, but I imagine it's the same everywhere.