By Apollo Go To PostHe signed it and said he wonāt sign a bill like that again.
Heāll sign another when the next deadline is due. Political posturing wonāt work for this guy.
This seems big. Litterely told popodopolous to explore foreign contacts
By HasphatsAnts Go To PostAm I missing something?
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By DY_nasty Go To PostAm I missing something?
A crappy version of the liberal tea party wants to block a decent housing bill because developers and capitalism. You know the thing you keep saying we need on the left.
By Fenderputty Go To PostA crappy version of the liberal tea party wants to block a decent housing bill because developers and capitalism. You know the thing you keep saying we need on the left.
Blatantly disingenuous to say in the statement:
"Instead of promoting the production of affordable housing in rich areas, it uniformly loosens zoning restrictions in all neighborhoods adjacent to mass transit without requiring affordable housing or providing rent control. "
When Wiener already added the amendments below:
"Local inclusionary housing requirements apply to all projects proposed under SB 827."
"Local inclusionary programs that meet the goals of SB 827 will remain in effect"
Truly incredible that socialists would have problems with a market based solution to housing shortages
By curlyfries Go To PostTruly incredible that socialists would have problems with a market based solution to housing shortages
I admit. Rich single family home owners in Sunset make for strange bedfellows for socialists, but no price is too high to pay to own neoliberal shills
By curlyfries Go To PostTruly incredible that socialists would have problems with a market based solution to housing shortages
More like predictably laughable. Thankfully the DSA are rather ineffectual.
By HasphatsAnts Go To PostI admit. Rich single family home owners in Sunset make for strange bedfellows for socialists, but no price is too high to pay to own neoliberal shillswhat about anti-gentrification and tenants' rights activists? the dsa is basically following their lead on this. They have plenty of reason to be wary about the effects of opening up poor neighborhoods to new development.
By Fenderputty Go To PostA crappy version of the liberal tea party wants to block a decent housing bill because developers and capitalism. You know the thing you keep saying we need on the left.oh we're doing this again
By DY_nasty Go To Postoh we're doing this again
Just take the L and we can avoid it lol
By curlyfries Go To Postwhat about anti-gentrification and tenants' rights activists? the dsa is basically following their lead on this. They have plenty of reason to be wary about the effects of opening up poor neighborhoods to new development.They don't give a shit they'd rather be patronizing moderates.
By Fenderputty Go To PostJust take the L and we can avoid it lolif you want a shitpost, twitter, and punchline thread go ahead and make one
it's no ones job to repeat a history lesson every other week. but by all means, keep that bar low and steady
By curlyfries Go To PostTruly incredible that socialists would have problems with a market based solution to housing shortagesImagine still thinking a āmarket based solutionā is a real solution in 2018.
Honestly like fuck 'em for trying, keep building housing for airbnb rentals, foreign investors and anyone but displaced persons.
"Furthermore, the rich areas that are up-zoned are unlikely to experience significant development as profit-driven investors seek out the poorer areas with cheaper land to redevelop."
It's fine to voice your concerns, but stuff like this is just blatantly untrue.
It's fine to voice your concerns, but stuff like this is just blatantly untrue.
By DY_nasty Go To Postif you want a shitpost, twitter, and punchline thread go ahead and make one
it's no ones job to repeat a history lesson every other week. but by all means, keep that bar low and steady
Rehashing an argument you and I have on the regular, and in a casual way, is shit posting now? I canāt roll my eyes hard enough
The bill is decent. Itās not perfect. That it isnāt perfect, isnāt a reason to stop the bill. No history lesson you think youve provided is going to change that.
Breh you come at me for shit posting one liners because Iām having fun with you and then you shit post a one liner. I canāt ....
By Fenderputty Go To PostRehashing an argument you and I have on the regular, and in a casual way, is shit posting now? I canāt roll my eyes hard enoughIt's not an even argument, last time we brought it up it became increasingly obvious that you lacked ALL context to the significance of that theme within American history. That's not a 'disagreement' lol. That's you chirping rhetoric popularized and streamlined since the 60s and now continuing to do so after -hopefully- grasping the entirety of those deliberate efforts. If you want to keep doing so after I have to legit teach after a significant amount of previous regulars have CLEARLY burnt the hell out doing so in the past, then go on. But let's not pretend other people are dicks because they're tired of repeating what should be common knowledge.
The bill is decent. Itās not perfect. That it isnāt perfect, isnāt a reason to stop the bill. No history lesson you think youve provided is going to change that.
Unless you were trying to be funny. In that case tell better jokes....
Roll your eyes or whatever. If I wanted to "rehash" anything it'd be you propping up hunter with stuff like 'he has difficulty communicating his thoughts' when it's apparent he's just a lazy racist who thinks liking trees and hating Trump makes him a well informed democrat. Or I could rehash "with dems like these, who needs republicans" etc. Do I NEED to explain how ridiculous and hilarious it is to use "liberal tea party" unironically? Because you do it a lot - even before I made it a subject of discussion.
It's low key pretty fucking insulting especially considering what ideas and movements spawned from those dickbags after all
By Fenderputty Go To PostBreh you come at me for shit posting one liners because Iām having fun with you and then you shit post a one liner. I canāt ā¦.Man please. This is what you're not getting
Dude posted that like he's never even heard of the concept of gentrification. I'm supposed to spell that out? Yes. By all means, believe in the market. Always helps everyone. "L M A O"
If you're going to post one liners, have an understanding of what you're talking about. That's the difference.
By DY_nasty Go To PostMan please. This is what you're not getting
Dude posted that like he's never even heard of the concept of gentrification. I'm supposed to spell that out? Yes. By all means, believe in the market. Always helps everyone. "L M A O"
If you're going to post one liners, have an understanding of what you're talking about. That's the difference.
Because the status quo is preventing gentrification. Sure.
California needs millions more housing units, but by all means let's keep the zoning laws that retrenches inequality. Great idea
By DY_nasty Go To PostMan please. This is what you're not gettingHonestly the thread continually veering into "fuck the poor and whomever else" but through all kinds of rationalizations and shit rhetoric is growing really fucking tiresome.
Dude posted that like he's never even heard of the concept of gentrification. I'm supposed to spell that out? Yes. By all means, believe in the market. Always helps everyone. "L M A O"
If you're going to post one liners, have an understanding of what you're talking about. That's the difference.
By HasphatsAnts Go To PostBecause the status quo is preventing gentrification. Sure.How many of the already existing units are unoccupied?
California needs millions more housing units, but by all means let's keep the zoning laws that retrenches inequality. Great idea
By Random Ass Username Go To PostHow many of the already existing units are unoccupied?http://www.nreionline.com/multifamily/apartment-vacancy-rates-remain-low-single-digits-gateway-markets
Very very few.
By DY_nasty Go To PostIt's not an even argument, last time we brought it up it became increasingly obvious that you lacked ALL context to the significance of that theme within American history. That's not a 'disagreement' lol. That's you chirping rhetoric popularized and streamlined since the 60s and now continuing to do so after -hopefully- grasping the entirety of those deliberate efforts. If you want to keep doing so after I have to legit teach after a significant amount of previous regulars have CLEARLY burnt the hell out doing so in the past, then go on. But let's not pretend other people are dicks because they're tired of repeating what should be common knowledge.
Unless you were trying to be funny. In that case tell better jokesā¦.
Roll your eyes or whatever. If I wanted to "rehash" anything it'd be you propping up hunter with stuff like 'he has difficulty communicating his thoughts' when it's apparent he's just a lazy racist who thinks liking trees and hating Trump makes him a well informed democrat. Or I could rehash "with dems like these, who needs republicans" etc. Do I NEED to explain how ridiculous and hilarious it is to use "liberal tea party" unironically? Because you do it a lot - even before I made it a subject of discussion.
It's low key pretty fucking insulting especially considering what ideas and movements spawned from those dickbags after all
Breh, when do I ever come at you in any way that isnāt light hearted? You want to get pissy and take it to 100, go for it.
Like I havenāt admitted that from perspectives incrementalism isnāt ideal. Itās still the only way forward due to our system.
BTW, Hunter was having having a hard time explaining himself. He ended out doing so in a better way by posting Somone elseās opinion and then I disagreed. Never did I prop him up as Iāve continually disagreed with his position.. FOH with that. It aināt even low key insulting. Youāre just flat out being an asshole.
By DY_nasty Go To PostMan please. This is what you're not getting
Dude posted that like he's never even heard of the concept of gentrification. I'm supposed to spell that out? Yes. By all means, believe in the market. Always helps everyone. "L M A O"
If you're going to post one liners, have an understanding of what you're talking about. That's the difference.
None of this relevant. You donāt get to critique one liners and the shit out one liners two posts later. Nowhere did you qualify that some one liners have more context than others. Nowhere did I see someone suggest gentrification is solved by the free market.
By Perfect Blue Go To PostImagine still thinking a āmarket based solutionā is a real solution in 2018.Thank you.
By HasphatsAnts Go To PostBecause the status quo is preventing gentrification. Sure.maybe addressing it before announcing a bill then trying to play nice after all other interests are appeased would inspire more faith that something like this wouldn't follow down the same path decades of similar actions have
California needs millions more housing units, but by all means let's keep the zoning laws that retrenches inequality. Great idea
also, its not just plainly about more housing units either. clearly the priorities for the type of housing is playing a part
but hey its not like everyone low income leaving in droves has never had a bad impact either
I mean the elephant in the room is how we treat housing in general and a home as an investment in the first place but excuse me with my liberal tea party nonsense. I'll see myself out.
By DY_nasty Go To Postmaybe addressing it before announcing a bill then trying to play nice after all other interests are appeased would inspire more faith that something like this wouldn't follow down the same path decades of similar actions haveExcuse me for looking at the merits of the arguments instead of optics. There are things I'd like to see changed in SB827 but what that DSA statement had is hilariously uneducated and contains blatant falsehoods for anyone who's even had a passing interest in housing policy.
also, its not just plainly about more housing units either. clearly the priorities for the type of housing is playing a part
but hey its not like everyone low income leaving in droves has never had a bad impact either
O and by the way, those low income folks you talked about? They're already leaving in droves without this bill.
By Random Ass Username Go To PostI mean the elephant in the room is how we treat housing in general and a home as an investment in the first place but excuse me with my liberal tea party nonsense. I'll see myself out.
I mean, you gonn carry the torch for the revolution? You either get rid of the elephant or you recognize itās presence and work around it. How else do you propose the property / investment dynamic be solved?
I wouldnāt mind redistrutinb wealth based off of a LVT, but thatās more of a workaround.
By HasphatsAnts Go To PostExcuse me for looking at the merits of the arguments instead of optics. There are things I'd like to see changed in SB827 but what that DSA statement had is hilariously uneducated and contains blatant falsehoods for anyone who's even had a passing interest in housing policy.
O and by the way, those low income folks you talked about? They're already leaving in droves without this bill.
Shhh Let then think Inglewood isnāt becoming the next hipster land already
By HasphatsAnts Go To PostExcuse me for looking at the merits of the arguments instead of optics. There are things I'd like to see changed in SB827 but what that DSA statement had is hilariously uneducated and contains blatant falsehoods for anyone who's even had a passing interest in housing policy.half the argument is throwing poors on top of each other down at the bus stop lol. the 'optics' are the essence of the bill
O and by the way, those low income folks you talked about? They're already leaving in droves without this bill.
there's no blatant falsehood about many of these concerns.
By Fenderputty Go To PostBreh, when do I ever come at you in any way that isnāt light hearted? You want to get pissy and take it to 100, go for it.lighthearted is subjective as hell. when you say shit like "i like chinese efficiency" when people know what that looks like americanized or "i like the economic benefits of open borders" when people know that how underprivileged are chewed up and spit out as is, they're already expressing a good deal of patience and courtesy by meeting you halfway. you might not always sound like you think you sound. just saying.
Like I havenāt admitted that from perspectives incrementalism isnāt ideal. Itās still the only way forward due to our system.
BTW, Hunter was having having a hard time explaining himself. He ended out doing so in a better way by posting Somone elseās opinion and then I disagreed. Never did I prop him up as Iāve continually disagreed with his position.. FOH with that. It aināt even low key insulting. Youāre just flat out being an asshole.
None of this relevant. You donāt get to critique one liners and the shit out one liners two posts later. Nowhere did you qualify that some one liners have more context than others. Nowhere did I see someone suggest gentrification is solved by the free market.
hunter has always been an idiot and has not once posted anything of relevance lol. it was obvious that he was always an idiot and i had to actually start posting again in here to spell it out for everyone else. he's not having trouble expressing himself, he's a clown. and just because he says shit you agree with every once in a while, doesn't make him better than someone who posts more informed shit that you happen to disagree with more.
but most importantly, did we NOT just go over the 'leftist tea party' shit?
did you NOT just hit that same nail on the head again?
okay. waste my time 2018.
i'd have been cool if it was joke but clearly its got you bothered so apparently it wasn't. its fucking dumb as hell dude. it really is. you don't get nuanced, in-depth discussion for dumb shit. you get a laugh in the face - and you don't get to dismiss the opposite with one liners when you don't even have a vague understanding of the one liner you're slinging in return.
that's ridiculous and its not the same. and its petty as fuck tbh
again. 'liberal tea party'
yeah shout out to fucking civil rights and the people who believe in it saying that there's obvious fucking concerns built from a history of gentrification and housing as a weapon. good stuff. those fucking clowns amirite
Let me tell y'all about housing policy.
It's pretty simple.
Put the DSA in power and let them spam the fuck out of this neat little trick called eminent domain.
You're welcome.
It's pretty simple.
Put the DSA in power and let them spam the fuck out of this neat little trick called eminent domain.
You're welcome.
Not to interrupt anyone, but Trump just issued an order banning transgender troops.
https://apnews.com/b4118e7b46444e8dad199839389dfe2b
https://apnews.com/b4118e7b46444e8dad199839389dfe2b
PALM BEACH, Fla. (AP) ā President Donald Trump is issuing an order to ban transgender people from serving in the military except under ālimited circumstances,ā following up on his calls to ban transgender individuals from serving.
The White House says retaining troops with a history or diagnosis of āgender dysphoriaā ā those who may require substantial medical treatment ā āpresents considerable risk to military effectiveness and lethality.ā
Trump received recommendations from Defense Secretary Jim Mattis in February for dealing with transgender individuals serving in the military.
Trump surprised the Pentagonās leadership in a 2017 tweet when he declared he would reverse an Obama-era plan to allow transgender individuals to serve openly.
His push for the ban has been blocked by several legal challenges, and the Pentagon began allowing transgender recruits to seek enlistment in January.
You, a neoliberal shill: "given the choice, real estate developers will always develop high income/high rent neighborhoods because that guarantees the best returns"
Me, a wise marxist: "build some fancy coffee shops and wait for the rent to go up"
Me, a wise marxist: "build some fancy coffee shops and wait for the rent to go up"
By DY_nasty Go To Posthalf the argument is throwing poors on top of each other down at the bus stop lol. the 'optics' are the essence of the billDid you see this?
there's no blatant falsehood about many of these concerns.
This is so fucking misguided and absolutely 100% how you entrench racial inequality between rich and poor neighborhoods.
By Randolph Freelander Go To PostNot to interrupt anyone, but Trump just issued an order banning transgender troops.need to see what 'limited circumstances' means but there was also a massive "gtfo" for anyone not deployable for over a year anyways.
https://apnews.com/b4118e7b46444e8dad199839389dfe2b
people joining for transition therapy was always bullshit and the military isn't meant to be a social experiment either. finish that before you join up. glad people get to stay in though (they were never getting kicked out anyways)
By HasphatsAnts Go To PostDid you see this?100%? That's pretty hyperbolic and you know it lol. And yeah, that's also why I made the comment of "we'll address those gentrification concerns later" because its clearly not a priority now.
This is so fucking misguided and absolutely 100% how you entrench racial inequality between rich and poor neighborhoods.
Its one thing to support the bill, but its another to ignore how this chops the legs out of something like JJJ and all of the other plans that've been running for years. This market trust is just.... why? lol
By DY_nasty Go To Postlighthearted is subjective as hell. when you say shit like "i like chinese efficiency" when people know what that looks like americanized or "i like the economic benefits of open borders" when people know that how underprivileged are chewed up and spit out as is, they're already expressing a good deal of patience and courtesy by meeting you halfway. you might not always sound like you think you sound. just saying.
hunter has always been an idiot and has not once posted anything of relevance lol. it was obvious that he was always an idiot and i had to actually start posting again in here to spell it out for everyone else. he's not having trouble expressing himself, he's a clown. and just because he says shit you agree with every once in a while, doesn't make him better than someone who posts more informed shit that you happen to disagree with more.
but most importantly, did we NOT just go over the 'leftist tea party' shit?
did you NOT just hit that same nail on the head again?
okay. waste my time 2018.
i'd have been cool if it was joke but clearly its got you bothered so apparently it wasn't. its fucking dumb as hell dude. it really is. you don't get nuanced, in-depth discussion for dumb shit. you get a laugh in the face - and you don't get to dismiss the opposite with one liners when you don't even have a vague understanding of the one liner you're slinging in return.
that's ridiculous and its not the same. and its petty as fuck tbh
again. 'liberal tea party'
yeah shout out to fucking civil rights and the people who believe in it saying that there's obvious fucking concerns built from a history of gentrification and housing as a weapon. good stuff. those fucking clowns amirite
Are you fucking serious with this shit? My being bothered had everything to do with you coming ar me and nothing to do with the topic.
Here you go again with the Chinese efficient shit. Like I havenāt clairified my meaning a bajillion times. Same with open borders. More Hunter shit ... youāre tiring ... Iām tired.
If youāre going to misconstrue my words Iāll just stop discussing shit with you.
Take your own advice btw, start a āfuck Dems and incrementalist pigsā thread and you and RAU can go pat each other on the back about how much more informed you are than the rest of us.
By DY_nasty Go To PostIts one thing to support the bill, but its another to ignore how this chops the legs out of something like JJJ and all of the other plans that've been running for years. This market trust is justā¦. why? lol
Iāll wait for the post that says this bill is perfect and without issues.
By Random Ass Username Go To PostWork around the elephant?
In yalls words, L M A O.
Whenās the revolution? I brought up an LVT in hopes to actually discuss realistic solutions