By DY_nasty Go To Postand if you guys want to really go on about the 'finer things' in global fukkery and how it hits home domestically then you've gotta care about chinese real estate investors rampaging through housing markets more than a guy like rick gates. or the inverse - the snowball effect of the patriot act. that's not even the wild stuff either.
China just implemented a ton of stringent currency control measures. It's been a problem for years now but I think a reprieve is on the way.
chinese currency control isn't the issue, its the state sponsored contribution to the next us housing bubble that's been looming for several years now
By DY_nasty Go To Postchinese currency control isn't the issue, its the state sponsored contribution to the next us housing bubble that's been looming for several years nowPretty sure vast majority of the money pouring into CA/AU/US/UK real estate from China is from private investors. No need to tin foil hat this.
EDIT: https://www.forbes.com/sites/ellensheng/2017/07/31/chinese-overseas-real-estate-buying-spree-slows-delayed-by-tightened-capital-controls/#5fb66f6514f7
By DY_nasty Go To Postevery president is a terrible person.Wat.
hoping and wishing is different than actively doing - he's literally incapable of it. its an insult to both of those real life bond villains.
and if you guys want to really go on about the 'finer things' in global fukkery and how it hits home domestically then you've gotta care about chinese real estate investors rampaging through housing markets more than a guy like rick gates. or the inverse - the snowball effect of the patriot act. that's not even the wild stuff either.
By HasphatsAnts Go To PostPretty sure vast majority of the money pouring into CA/AU/US/UK real estate from China is from private investors. No need to tin foil hat this.its not a tinfoil hat when most top businesses in china are state owned or influenced/directed lol
EDIT: https://www.forbes.com/sites/ellensheng/2017/07/31/chinese-overseas-real-estate-buying-spree-slows-delayed-by-tightened-capital-controls/#5fb66f6514f7
http://fortune.com/2015/07/22/china-global-500-government-owned/ + http://fortune.com/global500/list/filtered?hqcountry=China
its been a priority for the past decade to expand globally and this is just one of the many directions that initiative has taken. private investors/corporations walking in stride with state interests isn't something new or exclusive to china either - every country with an international footprint does it. cmon breh
By TheHunter Go To PostWat....we really doing this?
because this is essentially the "santa isn't real" of world view. if anything, here's where you apply that Machiavellian/greater good angle from before.
By DY_nasty Go To Postchinese currency control isn't the issue, its the state sponsored contribution to the next us housing bubble that's been looming for several years now
This is real.
Also trump is pretty bad.
By DY_nasty Go To Post…we really doing this?pretty much... all you can hope is that the president doesn't hurt his own people and allies too much..
because this is essentially the "santa isn't real" of world view. if anything, here's where you apply that Machiavellian/greater good angle from before.
By Fenderputty Go To PostThis is real.Rodrigo Duterte-like
Also trump is pretty bad.
While I agree that to be the leader of a nation means that you have to make some terrible decisions, even for the greater good, I wouldn't go as far as saying that all presidents were terrible people.
Also yeah, Trump hasnt been as terrible as a lot of other leaders in history, but this presidency, and the aftermath could be a turning point in history. I'm afraid of what could happen, and the main reason why I keep myself updated of it.
2nd reason is because it could get so hilarious at times.
Also yeah, Trump hasnt been as terrible as a lot of other leaders in history, but this presidency, and the aftermath could be a turning point in history. I'm afraid of what could happen, and the main reason why I keep myself updated of it.
2nd reason is because it could get so hilarious at times.
By DY_nasty Go To Post…we really doing this?Agrees with me that there are moral grays.
because this is essentially the "santa isn't real" of world view. if anything, here's where you apply that Machiavellian/greater good angle from before.
Says every president is terrible.
Like I get what you might be going for but a President who has to make horrible ethical decisions vs a guy who is on record as wanting to be president for life and a dictator aren't even on the same moral plane of existence.
For staters, one has respect for the people he commands.
For staters, one has respect for the people he commands.
By TheHunter Go To PostAgrees with me that there are moral grays.i've never said moral gray lol. if that's your interpretation of 'good guy/bad guy' then you're way more off the mark than i thought. i don't think it exists. on an international scale, you do bad shit to hold down the people who put you in charge - often times whether they like it or not
Says every president is terrible.
this isn't screwing over people who aren't gonna move the scales on an election, this is bombing people into the dirt and letting the ensuing chaos handle the rest because you might need a favor in 20 years
By FlutterPuffs Go To PostWhile I agree that to be the leader of a nation means that you have to make some terrible decisions, even for the greater good, I wouldn't go as far as saying that all presidents were terrible people.like our presidents have been scumbags.. almost all of them. Maybe Carter gets a pass... I would say Obama but anyone who doesn't put 5 on a sack can't be trusted... <3
Also yeah, Trump hasnt been as terrible as a lot of other leaders in history, but this presidency, and the aftermath could be a turning point in history. I'm afraid of what could happen, and the main reason why I keep myself updated of it.
2nd reason is because it could get so hilarious at times.
By DY_nasty Go To Postits not a tinfoil hat when most top businesses in china are state owned or influenced/directed lol
http://fortune.com/2015/07/22/china-global-500-government-owned/ + http://fortune.com/global500/list/filtered?hqcountry=China
its been a priority for the past decade to expand globally and this is just one of the many directions that initiative has taken. private investors/corporations walking in stride with state interests isn't something new or exclusive to china either - every country with an international footprint does it. cmon breh
China is super complicated and I don't want to spend too much time going over my thoughts around it. I'm more worried now than before the people's congress in October, sure. But as far as a state sponsored conspiracy to crash the US real estate market, that's not at all what's happening here. Everyone in China is still shook from the Great Recession. They're not looking to destabilize the global financial markets in that way when they arguably have even more stakeholdership tied up in it than we do.
And for the record, the State view these capital outflows as a huge slap in the face btw. The rich and powerful moving their assets and wealth abroad is the most clearcut sign that the "elite" is really concerned about the coming shitstorm in China and the government is mad as hell about it.
Now, as far as how much direct influence the politburo has over these nominally "state owned" enterprises, that's not clear cut at all. IMO, Saudi Aramco is far more embedded into the its state government than say, Sinopec or PetroChina. Honestly, I'd say the connections between Samsung and the ROK is stronger than any nominally state owned enterprise in China
My dad used to work for a "state owned" company. The line between what's a state owned enterprise and what's an independently operated company blurs and sharpens depending on the administration. The Jiang and Hu years were very much hands off. Xi, less so, and that's why there's a huge amount of tension inside China right now.
By blackace Go To Postlike our presidents have been scumbags.. almost all of them. Maybe Carter gets a pass… I would say Obama but anyone who doesn't put 5 on a sack can't be trusted… <3shit, carter fucked people over by being too soft if anything...
By TheHunter Go To PostLike I get what you might be going for but a President who has to make horrible ethical decisions vs a guy who is on record as wanting to be president for life and a dictator aren't even on the same moral plane of existence.wait wait wait
For staters, one has respect for the people he commands.
respect for people they command? wow. i'm flattered lol. if there was any respect for people they commanded then you wouldn't see 4 generations of vets being institutionally shit on.
and we're leveraging actions against fluff talk like "sure would be nice to be president for life" when americans constantly ride for 3 term presidents anyways? its not even a real thing to get upset over. we don't even have a (government) avenue for someone to walk over the same mountain of bodies that a putin or xi has for it to even be a faint dream. that's barely a bad fart.
By DY_nasty Go To Postshit, carter fucked people over by being too soft if anything…That doesn't make him a bad person.. just a bad president.
By blackace Go To PostThat doesn't make him a bad person.. just a bad president.naw, bad person too. pop shit at the soviets for human rights, invite nicolae ceausescu over lol. stuff like that...
even the best intentions don't mean shit in that chair. just how it is. i don't even hold it against them either.
By HasphatsAnts Go To PostChina is super complicated and I don't want to spend too much time going over my thoughts around it. I'm more worried now than before the people's congress in October, sure. But as far as a state sponsored conspiracy to crash the US real estate market, that's not at all what's happening here. Everyone in China is still shook from the Great Recession. They're not looking to destabilize the global financial markets in that way when they arguably have even more stakeholdership tied up in it than we do.I'm not gonna call a directed contribution to a looming financial crisis 'tinfoil' though. It is happening. It IS having an effect.
And for the record, the State view these capital outflows as a huge slap in the face btw. The rich and powerful moving their assets and wealth abroad is the most clearcut sign that the "elite" is really concerned about the coming shitstorm in China and the government is mad as hell about it.
Now, as far as how much direct influence the politburo has over these nominally "state owned" enterprises, that's not clear cut at all. IMO, Saudi Aramco is far more embedded into the its state government than say, Sinopec or PetroChina. Honestly, I'd say the connections between Samsung and the ROK is stronger than any nominally state owned enterprise in China
My dad used to work for a "state owned" company. The line between what's a state owned enterprise and what's an independently operated company blurs and sharpens depending on the administration. The Jiang and Hu years were very much hands off. Xi, less so, and that's why there's a huge amount of tension inside China right now.
If anything, times like these are when destabilizing actions occur because they have real opportunity to be in a better standing or at the very least recover faster once the dust settles considering the issues the EU and the US are facing. Also, "running from a coming shitstorm" isn't an entirely fair stance because if that were the case then you'd see straight up cut ties and consolidation - not have huge long term international projects like their African energy push or other significant infrastructure goals.
Either way, none of it is any more of a slap in the face than what goes on here lol. I mean hell, you don't even have to go golfing with a guy to take advantage of the global climate created, fill the gaps created, and rake in money. Again, don't we do the same things?
The moneyed elites are not the same as the government. What I'm telling you is that despite the government's proclamation that it wants to be the global hegemonic power by 2050 and have tailored their policies to achieve said goal, the rich and powerful in China are doing everything they can to send their assets, their wealth, and their children abroad. Take that as what you will.
Eh a single family home in Vancouver, SF, NY, Portland, Seattle, etc? Private investor sure.
Power grids? Utilities? Federal land? Landmarks? National Parks or their Trademarks?
Power grids? Utilities? Federal land? Landmarks? National Parks or their Trademarks?
anyone remember how obama got compared to jimmy carter? good times
The only group of elites sit back, deny opportunities, clutch their jewels, and keep their families locked in are those that are afraid. Flexing at Xi is only respect to keep the relationships honest.
By HasphatsAnts Go To PostThe moneyed elites are not the same as the government. What I'm telling you is that despite the government's proclamation that it wants to be the global hegemonic power by 2050 and have tailored their policies to achieve said goal, the rich and powerful in China are doing everything they can to send their assets, their wealth, and their children abroad. Take that as what you will.I think you're fiercely convinced that global power and the movement of private money have a different relationship than they actually do. They are intersectioned, but they don't require amicable relations or even genuine comfort. If I clear a way for a capitalistic entity to flourish, one will find its way there whether I cut the ribbon for it or not. Ironically, that's not even what's happening though. Not only are they spreading their wings with money, intellectual properties, property, etc - they're doing it culturally as well lol. That's consistently a marker of long term, root planting.
The only group of elites sit back, deny opportunities, clutch their jewels, and keep their families locked in are those that are afraid. Flexing at Xi is only respect to keep the relationships honest.
By DY_nasty Go To Posti've never said moral gray lol. if that's your interpretation of 'good guy/bad guy' then you're way more off the mark than i thought. i don't think it exists. on an international scale, you do bad shit to hold down the people who put you in charge - often times whether they like it or not
this isn't screwing over people who aren't gonna move the scales on an election, this is bombing people into the dirt and letting the ensuing chaos handle the rest because you might need a favor in 20 years
Jesus.
And you gave me crap for my pragmatism. If that's what you think they all do there is no such thing as a good leader then to you.
For the record I love Obama... but you gotta know that people who become president are just wired different
By blackace Go To PostFor the record I love Obama… but you gotta know that people who become president are just wired differentEh, I wouldn't call them terrible people.
Trump and Obama aren't on the same spectrum of morality.
By TheHunter Go To PostEh, I wouldn't call them terrible people.
Trump and Obama aren't on the same spectrum of morality.
Yeah but compared to any of us Obama is the devil incarnate.
To be Pres you have to have overwhelming ambition, ego and a desire for power. Then you need to know that every single decision you make is going to fuck someone up, even before we get into shit like bombing innocents to save millions more. There is a presidential sliding scale of evil, and then there is a normal sliding scale. All presidents would be on the deep end of that normal one.
By TheHunter Go To PostEh, I wouldn't call them terrible people.That really doesn't mean much when a drone blows up your home tho...
Trump and Obama aren't on the same spectrum of morality.
By n8 dogg Go To PostYeah but compared to any of us Obama is the devil incarnate.This!
To be Pres you have to have overwhelming ambition, ego and a desire for power. Then you need to know that every single decision you make is going to fuck someone up, even before we get into shit like bombing innocents to save millions more. There is a presidential sliding scale of evil, and then there is a normal sliding scale. All presidents would be on the deep end of that normal one.
By blackace Go To PostThat really doesn't mean much when a drone blows up your home tho…Or you know when an administration just levies relatively small ass fines to institutions that keep predating people who don't know no better even after collapsing an entire market.
Example A: https://www.npr.org/2017/08/02/541182948/who-snatched-my-car-wells-fargo-did
Still pulling bullshit.
By TheHunter Go To PostJesus.ummmmm what? lol i don't even know where to start
And you gave me crap for my pragmatism. If that's what you think they all do there is no such thing as a good leader then to you.
before anything else, a bad person can be a good leader and vice versa. for the record. - that's not even what's crazy though.
what gets me is this constant lowest common denominator level of perspective that you direct at stuff that challenges you. "if that's you think they all do"... there is nothing in the international arena that is that simple lol. nothing. and to have influence of that nature simply prohibits you from being known as a 'good person' by definition. to be 'nice' at that level, will literally kill dozens over night. to donate is to watch people fight over basic human necessities and to be an asshole is the same as liberating an oppressed people.
your pragmatism was some hodgepodge bullshit about how you need to justify no accountability and a drop of common ethics to win elections that are all but guaranteed unless the democrats find a way to embarrass themselves again by failing to unseat a majority who've already packed their bags for a happy early retirement. there's no more noble action than shitting on a group of voters who number to few to matter or something of that effect.
adjust your lens.
By blackace Go To PostThat really doesn't mean much when a drone blows up your home tho…At that macro scale simple morality like we practice day to day isn't applicable.
Like trying to solve Quantum Physics with a coloring book.
sooooooooooooooooo you really just gonna take my argument -same one you didn't even roll with until now- , spin/change the level, then aim it at someone's else's counter point towards your own shit
did you know you did that or is it just reflex?
did you know you did that or is it just reflex?
By TheHunter Go To PostAt that macro scale simple morality like we practice day to day isn't applicable.basic humanity is not applicable to presidents? roger that
Like trying to solve Quantum Physics with a coloring book.
Given the chance, I'd be happy to have lunch with most US Presidents.
I don't think I'm a good person. I try to do good but I know if given the choices these people have to do for the greater good of their country... I'd probably make some of the decisions they did.
I don't think I'm a good person. I try to do good but I know if given the choices these people have to do for the greater good of their country... I'd probably make some of the decisions they did.
By FlutterPuffs Go To PostGiven the chance, I'd be happy to have lunch with most US Presidents.Let's be real, lots of choices are made for the greater good of the wealthy not exactly for the country...
I don't think I'm a good person. I try to do good but I know if given the choices these people have to do for the greater good of their country… I'd probably make some of the decisions they did.
By blackace Go To PostLet's be real, lots of choices are made for the greater good of the wealthy not exactly for the country…
nothing really changed over the centuries innit.
By blackace Go To PostLet's be real, lots of choices are made for the greater good of the wealthy not exactly for the country…
By Facism Go To Postnothing really changed over the centuries innit.*nods*
Pragmatism blows and is sacrificing ones morality
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Gotta play the big boys game on the grand scale. It’s all about moral gray
I don’t really give a shit if you think 2018 is some hand me election either. That’s just something you feel makes your argument against pragmatism better lol. It’s not a hand me. This isn’t 2006.
Note: I thought the bill was garbage but let’s not act like this banking bill alone pisses you off too. Pragmatism in general gets you. It’s funny I never made the connection that it’s probably why I like your foreign policy approach.
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Gotta play the big boys game on the grand scale. It’s all about moral gray
I don’t really give a shit if you think 2018 is some hand me election either. That’s just something you feel makes your argument against pragmatism better lol. It’s not a hand me. This isn’t 2006.
Note: I thought the bill was garbage but let’s not act like this banking bill alone pisses you off too. Pragmatism in general gets you. It’s funny I never made the connection that it’s probably why I like your foreign policy approach.
It's Trump. If you can't beat Trump, you deserve eternal Ls. Winning against this administration, this congress, in these battleground states will probably never be easier. "This isn't 2006" 2006 wasn't Trump and a gang of open conmen.
It should be a walk in the park. It is. The only purpose in talking up a GOP that's already made vacation plans is to give the dems cushion and coddling they do not deserve. Democrats should've been absolutely sure in themselves tackling this easy win months ago. All this credit being passed back to the right is just an ironic lack of confidence on display.
It should be a walk in the park. It is. The only purpose in talking up a GOP that's already made vacation plans is to give the dems cushion and coddling they do not deserve. Democrats should've been absolutely sure in themselves tackling this easy win months ago. All this credit being passed back to the right is just an ironic lack of confidence on display.
By DY_nasty Go To Postand if you guys want to really go on about the 'finer things' in global fukkery and how it hits home domestically then you've gotta care about chinese real estate investors rampaging through housing markets more than a guy like rick gates. or the inverse - the snowball effect of the patriot act. that's not even the wild stuff either.Yeaaaa. I've been talking about this a while now, but it's well known in the Bay Area that billionaire Chinese foreign nationals hire real estate agents to go scoop up a new house on the market and just pay 20% above asking because they can't re-invest their money back into China. It's a significant contributor to the Bay Area housing pricing bubble. I believe I shared an article sometime last year that showcased how much was actually being invested all over the west coast and the numbers are in the billions.
Plus, many of them send their kids to get an American college education, live rent-free in those homes by themselves, and then they go back to China to make a dumb inflated living.
By blackace Go To PostLet's be real, lots of choices are made for the greater good of the wealthy not exactly for the country…yeah, but we have done a whole lot better as human beings than in the last 1900 years.
Well except for the environment. :|
By reilo Go To PostYeaaaa. I've been talking about this a while now, but it's well known in the Bay Area that billionaire Chinese foreign nationals hire real estate agents to go scoop up a new house on the market and just pay 20% above asking because they can't re-invest their money back into China. It's a significant contributor to the Bay Area housing pricing bubble. I believe I shared an article sometime last year that showcased how much was actually being invested all over the west coast and the numbers are in the billions.Vancouver had to pass legislation to tackle it because of how much it has inflated real estate there. There was even crazy stuff like shadow flipping to further inflate the value. =/
Plus, many of them send their kids to get an American college education, live rent-free in those homes by themselves, and then they go back to China to make a dumb inflated living.
By Random Ass Username Go To PostVancouver had to pass legislation to tackle it because of how much it has inflated real estate there. There was even crazy stuff like shadow flipping to further inflate the value. =/Then they moved over to the Ontario market. Truly disgusting.
Yeah all places should really have rules/laws about dual agency though. The fact that they didn't. Yikes.
By FlutterPuffs Go To Postyeah, but we have done a whole lot better as human beings than in the last 1900 years.Is what I said wrong?
Well except for the environment. :|
By DY_nasty Go To Postsooooooooooooooooo you really just gonna take my argument -same one you didn't even roll with until now- , spin/change the level, then aim it at someone's else's counter point towards your own shitOk like why did you even feel the need to throw that out that all presidents are bad if you were just gonna use the argument "because you have to make tough decisions"
did you know you did that or is it just reflex?
Like a hipster finding Nietzsche for the first time. On top of this you keep saying the Russian investigation is nothing and we shouldn't care that Trump is bad. I've been pretty consistent with (once again) arguing that life is full of gray; Moral Absolutism is shit and should get thrown out the door.
Like what are you even doing now? Throwing stuff out there to just say it? Trump is a bad person and leader, Obama was neither of those. If you honestly try to argue that good leaders like FDR, Lincoln, Obama and Eisenhower are the same as Trump or "terrible" than...
By blackace Go To Postbasic humanity is not applicable to presidents? roger thatLife isn't that simple.
Do I nuke Japan or do I fight a costly and deadly land war there that will cost even more life?
By DY_nasty Go To PostIt's Trump. If you can't beat Trump, you deserve eternal Ls. Winning against this administration, this congress, in these battleground states will probably never be easier. "This isn't 2006" 2006 wasn't Trump and a gang of open conmen.
It should be a walk in the park. It is. The only purpose in talking up a GOP that's already made vacation plans is to give the dems cushion and coddling they do not deserve. Democrats should've been absolutely sure in themselves tackling this easy win months ago. All this credit being passed back to the right is just an ironic lack of confidence on display.
You have noticed how unhinged and devoid of reality some 40% of the country is right?