I dont think it matters
For most people, it was simply prices were lower under Trump, if we vote Trump.prices will be lower again
The general understanding of economics worldwide is below the basic level, not only in America
For most people, it was simply prices were lower under Trump, if we vote Trump.prices will be lower again
The general understanding of economics worldwide is below the basic level, not only in America
By Xpike Go To Posttired of blaming the democrats entirely, the truth is most people are also huge moronsdems being unable to appeal to the morons is a failure on their part, still
By Xpike Go To Posthonestly dont think even something like that would destroy the maga cultEh maga cult is basically Trump and nothing else. Like Trump can say/do whatever and they dont care but they don't vote for people he endorses as they constantly lose and they tend to hold people that say dumb shit more accountable for their actions. So who knows what going to happen when god emperor is barely coherent in 4 years. My guess is they won't fall behind Vance.
would need to be something like Berlin circa 1945
By Dazenheimer Go To PostJoe Rogan, Elon Musk and who ever the fuck Adon Ross is are raising the young men now.So in reality you blame the Internet.
When thewe anti woke tubers started blowing up… The alarm bells should have been ringing.
Everyone wants to point fingers but there are multiple factors at work here and the powers that be have made sure people are as divided as possible.
By jjasper Go To PostEh maga cult is basically Trump and nothing else. Like Trump can say/do whatever and they dont care but they don't vote for people he endorses as they constantly lose and they tend to hold people that say dumb shit more accountable for their actions. So who knows what going to happen when god emperor is barely coherent in 4 years. My guess is they won't fall behind Vance.dont worry, andrew tate 2028
By Kibner Go To Postdems being unable to appeal to the morons is a failure on their part, stillBlaming the electorate is easy. If they're telling you something and your response is "well, that's not how things work and you should know better" then you're gonna lose. Stop talking down to them.
By Dazenheimer Go To PostJoe Rogan, Elon Musk and who ever the fuck Adon Ross is are raising the young men now.Who divided the Dems internally tho
When thewe anti woke tubers started blowing up… The alarm bells should have been ringing.
Everyone wants to point fingers but there are multiple factors at work here and the powers that be have made sure people are as divided as possible.
Old enough to remember thinking "Dems will be fine once the current electorate ages out" only for GenX to become Boomers
By Kibner Go To Postdems being unable to appeal to the morons is a failure on their part, stillIt's supposed to be so easy
how is it so hard
I'm tired of their excuse train fr
By Xpike Go To PostBold move cotton
Let’s see if it works out for em
By reilo Go To PostOld enough to remember thinking "Dems will be fine once the current electorate ages out" only for GenX to become Boomersyeah Gen X became boomers and Gen Z already right. basically leaves the millennials
By reilo Go To PostYea it was one of the three things she failed to address: inflation, immigration, Gaza. She buried her head deep.
I know @Fenderputty will claim she talked about it, but that's not the same as having good messaging or a winning argument on it.
I mean
- Inflation was global
- we got inflation under control faster than other nations
- our economy is stronger than other nations as a result
- Trump Tariffs will cause inflation. His only plan is deporting immigrants
Voters: "What's that you say? Deporting immigrants? Sign me up!"
What else do you do? I ask this in sincerity because a lot of people think Biden made their eggs more expensive.
By Xpike Go To PostI know a couple of portuguese immigrants that went to the USA as illegals and voted for Trump. It's just unreal.
By Fenderputty Go To PostI meanThis is terrible framing btw
- Inflation was global
- we got inflation under control faster than other nations
- our economy is stronger than other nations as a result
- Trump Tariffs will cause inflation. His only plan is deporting immigrants
Voters: "What's that you say? Deporting immigrants? Sign me up!"
What else do you do? I ask this in sincerity because a lot of people think Biden made their eggs more expensive.
"Inflation was global" is... damn
By Laboured Go To PostNaturally I blame inky.The absolute nerve of the Brits, who created america in the first place.
By Xpike Go To PostThis is absolutely outstanding
By reilo Go To PostThis is terrible framing btwYou think it was just a coincidence?
"Inflation was global" is… damn
By FortuneFaded Go To PostYou think it was just a coincidence?No but people don't want to hear that ffs
I said it was terrible framing not that it was not factual
By reilo Go To PostThis is terrible framing btw
"Inflation was global" is… damn
It was? If you think our stimulus caused it, Trump is also part of the cause.
How else do you frame a complex economic issue when voters are happy to eat up, "we'll deport immigrants"
There will be a lot of discussion but I think at the end of the day, voters saw what he said and liked it.
By LFMartins86 Go To PostI know a couple of portuguese immigrants that went to the USA as illegals and voted for Trump. It's just unreal.
They'll be going back to Portugal soon 🫠
Oh hey now we are getting somewhere!
"Inflation was rising under Trump because of his stimulus and tariffs"
vs.
"but it was global nothing we can do 🤷🏼♂️"
Kamala and DNC said none of the former.
"Inflation was rising under Trump because of his stimulus and tariffs"
vs.
"but it was global nothing we can do 🤷🏼♂️"
Kamala and DNC said none of the former.
on the bright side, i learned some discords i'm in are overwhelmingly leftish (sports team fans, mecha fans, texas-based video gaming community).
By reilo Go To PostOh hey now we are getting somewhere!So you do believe it was a coincidence.
"Inflation was rising under Trump because of his stimulus and tariffs"
vs.
"but it was global nothing we can do 🤷🏼♂️"
Kamala and DNC said none of the former.
Edit: I don't think blaming stimulus bills as the cause of inflation would be the winning strategy either, given that they were passed by the Democrats in the house and more were given after Biden was elected. Also Democrats kept in place some of the tariffs.
By inky Go To PostThe absolute nerve of the Brits, who created america in the first place.
By FortuneFaded Go To PostSo you do believe it was a coincidence.This has nothing to do with what I believe wth. Stop arguing with me on the merits.
Edit: I don't think blaming stimulus bills as the cause of inflation would be the winning strategy either, given that they were passed by the Democrats in the house and more were given after Biden was elected. Also Democrats kept in place some of the tariffs.
I'm trying to hammer the point home that Harris and Dems had awful messaging on it. BLAME TRUMP FOR IT. Who gives a fuck if they have to lie?
Arguing back on like "Well actually that's not how it works" is how it's a losing message to begin with.
By reilo Go To PostThis has nothing to do with what I believe wth. Stop arguing with me on the merits.If lying is the way to go, then what exactly was wrong with their messaging in the campaign?
I'm trying to hammer the point home that Harris and Dems had awful messaging on it. BLAME TRUMP FOR IT. Who gives a fuck if they have to lie?
Arguing back on like "Well actually that's not how it works" is how it's a losing message to begin with.
Surely "the economy has been great for four years" is a better message than "the economy under us has been shit but but but it's all his fault"
Can't wait for Trump to fuck up the economy and blame it on
A. Immigrants
B. China
C. Democrats and/or the deep state
D. All of the above
One of the most clever things Trump ever did is his whole "and they're going to pay for it" spiel. This has confused millions of people on how tariffs work. Or more likely Trump doesn't know either.
A. Immigrants
B. China
C. Democrats and/or the deep state
D. All of the above
One of the most clever things Trump ever did is his whole "and they're going to pay for it" spiel. This has confused millions of people on how tariffs work. Or more likely Trump doesn't know either.
just so we are clear none of that would have mattered. This shit was fucked. The whole shift map is a giant fucking red arrow. clearly no one was happy where shit was so we got illegals voting for deportation, labor unions voting to be busted up, health care workers voting for man with a brain worm to run shit, lawyers and law enforcement voting for a convicted felon, palestinians voting for gaza to be carpet bombed. Could have run Jesus Christ out there and would have gotten blitzed
By FortuneFaded Go To PostIf lying is the way to go, then what exactly was wrong with their messaging in the campaign?Because "the economy has been great for four years" doesn't counter Trump's claim that it was awful. It just seems reactive. You not only have pin-point a reason but find a way to blame the other person.
Surely "the economy has been great for four years" is a better message than "the economy under us has been shit but but but it's all his fault"
People think the no income tax on their 50k a year is meant for them and not people who make 50k per second
By inky Go To PostThe absolute nerve of the Brits, who created america in the first place.What did the Brits do in Mexico besides the wave and being bystanders in 1986 to Maradona is what I want to know.
By reilo Go To PostThis has nothing to do with what I believe wth. Stop arguing with me on the merits.
I'm trying to hammer the point home that Harris and Dems had awful messaging on it. BLAME TRUMP FOR IT. Who gives a fuck if they have to lie?
Arguing back on like "Well actually that's not how it works" is how it's a losing message to begin with.
You know damn well the media this cycle would have called her out on every lie while sanewashing trump.
By Fenderputty Go To PostYou know damn well the media this cycle would have called her out on every lie while sanewashing trump.Blame everyone but the messenger sure
But hey not like running for POTUS is all about being the fucking messenger
By Batong Go To PostWhat did the Brits do in Mexico besides the wave and being bystanders in 1986 to Maradona is what I want to know.We gave them the pasty m8: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_Pasty_Festival
By reilo Go To PostBecause "the economy has been great for four years" doesn't counter Trump's claim that it was awful. It just seems reactive. You not only have pin-point a reason but find a way to blame the other person.
And people want to hear shit like, big grocery is charging you extra to make their friends rich. You know that guy Kelloggs? Fuck him, we're putting the other half of cereal back in the box. It's vibes only here. Funnily enough, Biden actually picked up on it, before Covid helped escort him off of the stage.
Should have taken Walz off safety, and had him calling Trump a broke boy that ruined the entire global economy.
I'm not arguing she had an effective / ineffective message. The results speak for themselves. I'm speculating that outright lying wouldn't have been better.
I asked how this is done sincerely because the topic is heavy in policy (which people blank out on), and apparently "it's the immigrants" is a more than sufficient scapegoat. I mean snit man, deporting people is how he's going to lower housing prices. This shit was a winning message.
I asked how this is done sincerely because the topic is heavy in policy (which people blank out on), and apparently "it's the immigrants" is a more than sufficient scapegoat. I mean snit man, deporting people is how he's going to lower housing prices. This shit was a winning message.
By EldritchTrapStar Go To PostAnd people want to hear shit like, big grocery is charging you extra to make their friends rich. You know that guy Kelloggs? Fuck him, we're putting the other half of cereal back in the box. It's vibes only here. Funnily enough, Biden actually picked up on it, before Covid helped escort him off of the stage.this this this
Should have taken Walz off safety, and had him calling Trump a broke boy that ruined the entire global economy.
AND NOT THIS: "The historical inflation rate is in line with the trend-line and a temporary pain-point coming out of the global pandemic. Also btw it impacted the entire world not just us!" is zzzz loser talk.
Am i misremembering or did a lot of people have time off work on the 2020 election day? I’m positive I read about it here in the older politics thread.
By Fenderputty Go To PostI'm not arguing she had an effective / ineffective message. The results speak for themselves. I'm speculating that outright lying wouldn't have been better.Why not like... fucking try? Switch it up. She re-ran Hillary's playbook ffs.
I asked how this is done sincerely because the topic is heavy in policy (which people blank out on), and apparently "it's the immigrants" is a more than sufficient scapegoat. I mean snit man, deporting people is how he's going to lower housing prices. This shit was a winning message.
Again ... if people are happy to accept an obvious scapegoat, then what message wins? I fear the dems are essentially going to pivot hard to the right on immigration now as a counter.
By Fenderputty Go To PostI fear the dems are essentially going to pivot hard to the right on immigration now as a counter.
By Freewheelin Go To PostReally embarrassing night for the Dems. This should have been so easy.This whole thing feels like a giant social media experiment that's gone right.
"Oh, hey guys. Imagine how funny it'll be if we all banded together and got Trump back into the White House."
"Yeah! Let's do it!"
"...."
By Laboured Go To Post
By Batong Go To PostWhat did the Brits do in Mexico besides the wave and being bystanders in 1986 to Maradona is what I want to know.I didn't stutter the first time, m9
By inky Go To PostThe absolute nerve of the Brits, who created america in the first place.(half of the US used to be Mexico btw)
By inky Go To PostThe absolute nerve of the Brits, who created america in the first place.They threw the tea away into the harbour, inky. They brought this onto themselves.
By Fenderputty Go To PostAgain … if people are happy to accept an obvious scapegoat, then what message wins? I fear the dems are essentially going to pivot hard to the right on immigration now as a counter.tripling down on being republican-lite surely won't hurt them in the next election!