Lou and Trez were food and they have similarly fake shooters like the Bucks. Its not the end of the world like people are making it out to be.
damn
https://www.eurohoops.net/en/euroleague/1101642/marc-gasol-will-reportedly-be-considering-returning-to-europe/
they running marc out the country lmao
https://www.eurohoops.net/en/euroleague/1101642/marc-gasol-will-reportedly-be-considering-returning-to-europe/
they running marc out the country lmao
That's a good article by tjarks from the ringer but... kawhi didn't need to be the person to recruit his own championship team like lebron does. he could have stayed with toronto and IMO walked into the eastern conference finals at minimum or joined a number of other teams as the main option where the team doesnt need a 2nd star like the clippers did. he should have seen himself as a hired gun instead of a lebron v2
By knux-future Go To PostLou and Trez were food and they have similarly fake shooters like the Bucks. Its not the end of the world like people are making it out to be.
lou has been a playoff fraud for the longest
Until Kawhi pulls the trigger the Clips are going to resign Doc Rivers and extend Paul George and only shuffle their roster in marginal ways
Full steam ahead definition of insanity
Full steam ahead definition of insanity
Lawd jeezus, who even gives a shit. If my boy Zion stays healthy, he'll rack up plenty of accolades. If not, then Morant getting that initial rub will make even more sense down the line.
ROY only has any importance whatsoever in the moment, so basing it some "side of history" crap is garbage. Who cares who won ROY 10 years ago.. does anyone give a shit that Kawhi didnt win it or Wiggins did?
By blackace Go To Postnever forget MCW was a ROYThat one stands out because of how odd it is to have your best year be your rookie year. Who else is there?
By blackace Go To PostEmeka OkaforMaybe. Could argue his 4th or 5th season were better.
By Pac-12 Go To Post*insert every player who never made it to year 2*I mean i could say something like Trey Burke but i meant players who were actually pretty good as a rookie and had star potential.
By i can get you a toe Go To Posthow many ROY just turn out to be dudsSince the 83-84 season (excluding this season), only 8 of the 38 ROY winners didn't become an All-Star. 14 of those players are either in the HOF or would be in it if they retired today with more likely to get there. It's a pretty good indicator of success.
dont let a good player be cursed
By i can get you a toe Go To Posthow many ROY just turn out to be dudsmuch less than top 3 picks becoming a dud
dont let a good player be cursed
Health is a concern... but other than that Zion is pretty much a lock to be an all-star
What unanswered questions are you seeing?
What unanswered questions are you seeing?
Stamina as well, waiting to see how well he manages throughout a whole season, if he starts getting the minutes and less injuries
By Red Blaster Go To Postmemphis almost made the playoffs with ja at the steering wheel, he'll definitely get thereI have zero doubts that Ja is a future all-star
More words and multiple videos at the link: https://theathletic.com/2079271/2020/09/21/what-does-lonzo-balls-move-to-klutch-sports-mean-for-his-pelicans-future/?source=emp_shared_article
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With uncertainty surrounding how much money will be available under the salary cap next season, it’s too early for Ball or the Pelicans to take a stance on extension talks. But from what we’ve seen, most players making the move to Klutch are doing it for one of two reasons: They want to get paid or they want to get moved.
It’s unlikely Ball would be trying to pull out the nuclear option this early in the process. He still has too much to prove.
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Ball distributes the ball differently than most of the pick-and-roll-heavy point guards. Even as one of the best stand-still passers in the league, Ball needs to become more of a threat to get to the basket when plays break down. Offensive sets tend to break down even more against the pressure of postseason defense, so having a point guard who can make something out of nothing becomes even more important later in the season.
However, Ball was one of the worst guards in the league this past season when it came to making plays off the dribble. Per NBA.com, Ball registered just 359 drives this year in over 2,000 minutes of playing time. The only other “guard” to play at least 2,000 minutes and come up with fewer drives to the basket was Tim Hardaway Jr. (271).
Ball was also sixth on his team in points in the paint (281) — slightly above E’Twaun Moore — and he shot 59 percent at the rim, according to Cleaning The Glass, which ranks him in the 47th percentile among guards.
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Ball somehow only attempted 76 free throws in 63 games this season. That’s just a little over one free throw per game. That’s the kind of numbers you would expect from Kyle Korver, not a starting point guard. Plus, he’s shooting a woeful 48.7 percent from the charity stripe for his career, and that’s after making a career-best 56.6 percent in 2019-20.
For perspective, Ball has attempted 195 free throws in the first three seasons of his career. Zion Williamson has shot 178 free throws in his first 24 games.
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According to NBA.com, the Pelicans had a net rating of plus-9.8, a promising figure, when Ball and Williamson shared the floor. But in lineups that featured the rookie phenom without Ball, the Pelicans got outscored by a whopping 13.1 points per 100 possessions. It’s a relatively small sample size, but that’sa tremendous drop-off.
Zion’s individual numbers don’t necessarily dip without Ball, but there is a big shift in the way he gets his shots and how often they come in transition without his lead point guard out there.
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Ball assisted on 70 of Zion’s 210 field goals this season. That’s right, one out of every three baskets Williamson made this year came off a Ball pass. There are times when we’re able to recognize how different the synergy is between certain 1-2 combinations, and it was hard not to notice with Ball and Williamson from the moment they started playing together.
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Based on comparable numbers, it seems logical for a Ball extension to fall somewhere between $15 million-$18 million annually. If we go off the Terry Rozier contract from last year, that figure probably isn’t enough.
With the possibility that the cap falls next year, maybe Ball decides he doesn’t want a new deal until the league is able to smooth things out financially going into the 2021-22 season. The Pelicans would still have the ball in their court because he’d be a restricted free agent. They passed on giving Ingram an extension and it worked out for everyone involved because Ingram had a career season; he stayed healthy all year; and he maintained a strong relationship with the front office/ownership despite not getting a deal.
That last part is where we’ve seen teams ruin their relationships with star players in the past. Some have viewed their organization’s hesitancy to offer an extension as a slight. And Josh Hart also is extension-eligible this offseason. Regardless of how talks go, it’s always important to ensure players feel valued.
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By DY_nasty Go To PostIf a PG can't drive they're worthlessEh, if they could back-someone down that would be fine, too. I think it could be worth zooming out a bit and looking at what a PG is in today's game.
IMO, PGs are the players who are expected to be the primary play-maker of a team. They aren't expected to just "initialize" an offensive set anymore. They need the ability to break down a defense and threaten to score and then pass out at a proficient enough level that they are generating 4v3's for the rest of their team with minimal turnovers.
I don't particularly care how they breakdown a defense to generate that 4v3. Just as long as they do it consistently.
Lonzo Ball should seek his next contract in China.
Based on comparable numbers, it seems logical for a Ball extension to fall somewhere between $15 million-$18 million annually.Fucking blasphemous. That's a severe overpay.
Basically, a bunch more words to say that "Lonzo ain't a PG". He doesn't put pressure on defenses. Opposing defenses can dictate exactly how they want him to play and he has no reliable way to get them to change things up. He's a 3+D wing with a spotty 3 but bonus passing.
By reilo Go To PostLonzo Ball should seek his next contract in China.It would be for what he currently is, I agree. I'm sure Lonzo's team is asking for even more than that, too. I would not be surprised to see him traded before the next deadline.
Fucking blasphemous. That's a severe overpay.
I want to say taller Rajon Rondo, but I think Rondo would get to the line more on a per-minute basis. It's probably close though.
By Kibner Go To PostEh, if they could back-someone down that would be fine, too. I think it could be worth zooming out a bit and looking at what a PG is in today's game.A post game would help him, but its harder to teach that late than push someone who has been successful driving to the rim in the past to continue doing so.
IMO, PGs are the players who are expected to be the primary play-maker of a team. They aren't expected to just "initialize" an offensive set anymore. They need the ability to break down a defense and threaten to score and then pass out at a proficient enough level that they are generating 4v3's for the rest of their team with minimal turnovers.
I don't particularly care how they breakdown a defense to generate that 4v3. Just as long as they do it consistently.
Even if he just flashed to the middle or elbow a bit, he'd be an asset - but that means that he's also gotta cut with intent and that's something that he's even more reluctant to do than drive through an open lane. I've always felt he could be a good "off-ball PG" and the stationary stats still reflect that ability is there. I just think that you have to bring the rest of the package before any emphasis or value can be placed on unique or niche talents he brings to the table.
anything more than 6 mil for the guy right now is absurd.
By Kibner Go To PostBasically, a bunch more words to say that "Lonzo ain't a PG". He doesn't put pressure on defenses. Opposing defenses can dictate exactly how they want him to play and he has no reliable way to get them to change things up. He's a 3+D wing with a spotty 3 but bonus passing.Allen Crabbe with a mixtape
During the 2019-20 NBA season, a 33-year-old Rajon Rondo has attempted 30 fewer field goals at rim, despite having played half the minutes that Lonzo Ball did.
You don't want to know what 3rd-year Rajon Rondo was doing in comparison.
You don't want to know what 3rd-year Rajon Rondo was doing in comparison.
In the postgame locker room Tuesday night, George was preaching to teammates to remain committed, for all the players to return to the team this offseason and stay ready to make another run. It was met by some eye rolls and bewilderment, sources said, because George did not back up his words with action in the series and the team has multiple free agents with decisions to make. George scored 10 points on 4 of 16 shooting and 2 of 11 from 3-point range in the Game 7 defeat.
https://theathletic.com/2078184/2020/09/21/inside-pass-clippers-concerns-plus-more-notes-from-around-the-nba/?source=user-shared-article
By reilo Go To PostDuring the 2019-20 NBA season, a 33-year-old Rajon Rondo has attempted 30 fewer field goals at rim, despite having played half the minutes that Lonzo Ball did.I don't have the exact numbers here so I am making things up, but in games where Lonzo would get top 5 minutes on the team, he would be like 7th or 8th on the team in attempted drives. I don't feel like looking up the drive charts to be sure, but I know he was frequently behind Frank Jackson and NAW in drives despite them playing 1/3 to 1/2 his minutes. He was even behind Zion many games. I think there were a couple mixed in there where Jah drove more often than him.
You don't want to know what 3rd-year Rajon Rondo was doing in comparison.
By Kibner Go To PostI don't have the exact numbers here so I am making things up, but in games where Lonzo would get top 5 minutes on the team, he would be like 7th or 8th on the team in attempted drives. I don't feel like looking up the drive charts to be sure, but I know he was frequently behind Frank Jackson and NAW in drives despite them playing 1/3 to 1/2 his minutes. He was even behind Zion many games. I think there were a couple mixed in there where Jah drove more often than him.Stephen Curry is the greatest three-point shooter of all time and even he has had several seasons of 300-400 at-rim attempts
Fuck it. I went to stats.nba.com and looked up the stats myself and threw the numbers into Excel:
Removing Gray and Thornwell since they didn't really play much, Lonzo is 8th on the team in drives/minute while being 4th on the team in minutes played.
The only non-big perimeter players that he is ahead of in drive frequency are Redick and Hart. He was more scared to drive than NAW (who was getting his shit wrecked left, right, and center) and ceded his PG duties to fucking Moore, who the team mostly wants being a spot-up threat with the occasional floater thrown in. Even Frank Jackson, who the team doesn't want to handle the ball at all in the half-court, was driving more than him.
PLAYER TEAM GP MIN DRIVES DRIVES/MINUTE
Josh Gray NOP 2 11 5.00 0.439
Jrue Holiday NOP 60 35 14.90 0.429
Brandon Ingram NOP 61 34 12.70 0.376
Nickeil Alexander-WalNOP 47 13 4.70 0.373
E'Twaun Moore NOP 55 18 4.20 0.230
Sindarius Thornwell NOP 2 18 4.00 0.226
Frank Jackson NOP 58 13 2.80 0.209
Zion Williamson NOP 23 28 5.00 0.182
Lonzo Ball NOP 62 32 5.80 0.181
JJ Redick NOP 60 26 2.70 0.102
Josh Hart NOP 64 27 2.70 0.099
Jahlil Okafor NOP 30 16 1.30 0.083
Kenrich Williams NOP 39 21 1.40 0.066
Nicolo Melli NOP 59 17 1.00 0.058
Zylan Cheatham NOP 4 13 0.30 0.023
Jaxson Hayes NOP 63 17 0.20 0.012
Derrick Favors NOP 50 24 0.20 0.008
Removing Gray and Thornwell since they didn't really play much, Lonzo is 8th on the team in drives/minute while being 4th on the team in minutes played.
The only non-big perimeter players that he is ahead of in drive frequency are Redick and Hart. He was more scared to drive than NAW (who was getting his shit wrecked left, right, and center) and ceded his PG duties to fucking Moore, who the team mostly wants being a spot-up threat with the occasional floater thrown in. Even Frank Jackson, who the team doesn't want to handle the ball at all in the half-court, was driving more than him.
Lonzo was also 3rd in total drives per game but look at the gap and realize that it was only because they didn't trust anyone who would drive more often with those minutes. Jrue at nearly 15 a game, Ingram at nearly 13, and Lonzo at... almost 6.
And that doesn't even tell you the full story, either. Because Lonzo would often "drive" to the free throw line or a step below it and then give the ball up to someone else. And that someone else was rarely ever the roller because teams know he won't go to the cup so they lightly pressure Lonzo while doubly making sure the passing angle to the roller is gone. So his drives aren't even effective.
And that doesn't even tell you the full story, either. Because Lonzo would often "drive" to the free throw line or a step below it and then give the ball up to someone else. And that someone else was rarely ever the roller because teams know he won't go to the cup so they lightly pressure Lonzo while doubly making sure the passing angle to the roller is gone. So his drives aren't even effective.
By Kibner Go To PostLonzo was also 3rd in total drives per game but look at the gap and realize that it was only because they didn't trust anyone who would drive more often with those minutes. Jrue at nearly 15 a game, Ingram at nearly 13, and Lonzo at… almost 6.
And that doesn't even tell you the full story, either. Because Lonzo would often "drive" to the free throw line or a step below it and then give the ball up to someone else. And that someone else was rarely ever the roller because teams know he won't go to the cup so they lightly pressure Lonzo while doubly making sure the passing angle to the roller is gone. So his drives aren't even effective.
Why continue the drive if he’s Shaq at the FT line? Dudes been shook driving and finishing at the rim since he started.
