I've enjoyed all the MCU Disney plus stuff so far. It gives the sidelined characters room to breathe.
Loki is different, it never goes in the direction I think and I praise it for it. That finale reveal for example. Well done.
Richard E Grant was excellent, so excellent, he made that audacious costume work.
Great stuff.
Shout out to the Thanoscopter
Loki is different, it never goes in the direction I think and I praise it for it. That finale reveal for example. Well done.
Richard E Grant was excellent, so excellent, he made that audacious costume work.
Great stuff.
Shout out to the Thanoscopter
By faridmon Go To PostSo what is the next MCU show? Hawkeye?WHAT IF?
Loki was decent. Best of the MCU shows by a long way. Majors was great fun to watch.
I gotta say, as someone who doesn’t read comics, I hate the very idea of this multiverse shit. It’s too Doctor Who. It makes everything seem pointless (well, I guess it’s all pointless as it’s superhero fiction lol) because ‘oh shit if the iron man we’re watching dies, there’s just another one out there’.
I gotta say, as someone who doesn’t read comics, I hate the very idea of this multiverse shit. It’s too Doctor Who. It makes everything seem pointless (well, I guess it’s all pointless as it’s superhero fiction lol) because ‘oh shit if the iron man we’re watching dies, there’s just another one out there’.
Yeah I think that's my primary issue with where it is now. Marvel stuff was never high stakes but literally there isn't smallest scintillate of tension any longer, and that's actually something of a problem for movies and shows centred around action.
That's how comics have worked out for millions of years, but also just fiction. You mention Dr. Who, but Star Trek did the same (MCU also steals a lot of shit from st).
I get it, it’s nothing new. But if I watch… I dunno, No Country for Old Men. Sure it’s all fiction, but there are internal stakes apparent in the film.
There were eternal stakes apparent in Endgame, even. Now it feels there’s no stakes because there’s infinite versions of these characters we know. What it feels like is a logical approach to bringing back Iron Man, rather than anything exciting. It just has zero tension, and it was low on that already lol
There were eternal stakes apparent in Endgame, even. Now it feels there’s no stakes because there’s infinite versions of these characters we know. What it feels like is a logical approach to bringing back Iron Man, rather than anything exciting. It just has zero tension, and it was low on that already lol
Here's my solution. Watch Coen bros. Don't watch Marvel #54 and expect it to be different than #53.
There were never stakes in Marvel. We knew dead is not dead even before this happened. We knew even before one filmed happened. We knew when they killed Loki in Endgame and found a way to make the TV show you just watched. This reveal doesn't change anything in that regard. If it worked at the time and you were engaged, surprised, moved, etc. Then it did. If it didn't, it didn't.
And it's gonna keep happening. Time travel, multiverse, alternate realities, magic, etc.Life market realities finds a way.
There were never stakes in Marvel. We knew dead is not dead even before this happened. We knew even before one filmed happened. We knew when they killed Loki in Endgame and found a way to make the TV show you just watched. This reveal doesn't change anything in that regard. If it worked at the time and you were engaged, surprised, moved, etc. Then it did. If it didn't, it didn't.
And it's gonna keep happening. Time travel, multiverse, alternate realities, magic, etc.
By inky Go To PostHere's my solution. Watch Coen bros. Don't watch Marvel #54 and expect it to be different than #53.
There were never stakes in Marvel. We knew dead is not dead even before this happened. We knew even before one filmed happened. We knew when they killed Loki in Endgame and made a TV show you just watched.
Well yes, but I was curious to see how they’d go about it. There was one rogue Loki then.
Now there’s a million. That’s substantially more boring.
By n8 dogg Go To PostWell yes, but I was curious to see how they’d go about it. There was one rogue Loki then.Not necessarily, good writing can make it work.
Now there’s a million. That’s substantially more boring.
Like how our Loki got a pretty awesome arc and was humanised despite already seeing him get killed in Endgame and none of it felt forced.
By inky Go To PostHere's my solution. Watch Coen bros. Don't watch Marvel #54 and expect it to be different than #53.
thats a bar
Well I didn't see that coming
Eternal and Shang Chi gonna be boring as fuck knowing there's an entire multiversal war on the horizon
Strange never gonna stop working
Eternal and Shang Chi gonna be boring as fuck knowing there's an entire multiversal war on the horizon
Strange never gonna stop working
I have to agree with Inky. The only stakes in comic book shit is how much they're going to fuck up your fave with dumb writing
Super heroes work best when they are challenged to grow through hardship, when they have to sacrifice personal needs in order to preserve a community or a society. It’s about relationships, it’s not about fights to the death.
People love to see super heroes fall, because that makes them like us, but we have to see them rise again and beat the odds even if at a great personal cost Cus that’s what makes them super heroes, duh.
Loki shows how a character that we know will never truly die, can still go through personal growth and rise above past mistakes while still getting his heart broken. Death isn’t the only defeat, it’s just the laziest.
People love to see super heroes fall, because that makes them like us, but we have to see them rise again and beat the odds even if at a great personal cost Cus that’s what makes them super heroes, duh.
Loki shows how a character that we know will never truly die, can still go through personal growth and rise above past mistakes while still getting his heart broken. Death isn’t the only defeat, it’s just the laziest.
By Laboured Go To PostThat's it, I'm putting "The Laziest Defeat" on ur tombstone m8
😂
Years of watching stuff like Game of thrones and other so-called prestige TV has conditioned a lot of people to think stakes = death.
It never left, but to me it ain't even about that. There are only so many times I can blame McDs for making me fat. After my 30th burger it's a bit redundant.
Dunno why I couldn’t get into Loki, I did with Wandavision by the end even though it was a slow burn and falcon/buckie even though it was just alright, but with loki i just found myself kinda going this is dumb. I always hate the time travel shit in general but even the emotional scenes fell flat for me like im not buying it.
By Daz Go To PostYears of watching stuff like Game of thrones and other so-called prestige TV has conditioned a lot of people to think stakes = death.
Maybe if all these films weren’t about people trying to kill each other it’d wash more
Regarding stakes, you have to understand what's most important to the character you're writing for. That Spider-Man scene where he's trapped under debris from the mid 60s hasn't been topped in fifty years. The stakes aren't that he's going to die (he is) or even that his aunt is going to die (she is), it's whether he can live up to his own ideals or not. It's whether or not he's going to fall short of the standards he's put on himself. The triumph comes from the achievement itself, not the ramifications.
People have been trying to squeeze emotion out of Peter's meaningless relationships and hacky deaths and clones and body swaps for years. Spider-Man is a dude trying to live up to a version of himself in his head, sometimes succeeding, mostly failing. I have to wonder if Stan Lee was channeling his realest self when writing Peter, working in mediocrity for thirty-nine years before Fantastic Four took off.
Very few writers nail that aspect of the character even if they understand it. It's just what weird new things can make Peter sad and also get him laid, and then run it back over and over even if literal Satan has to erase continuity to do it. Oh he's poor. Oh he's rich. Oh he's married. Oh he's single. Who cares? What are the stakes of that beyond dumb breakups, deaths, or other forced traumatic experiences we just expect to be universal? The question is, is he living up to his projected capability or not? If not, why?
Side note: I hate most Spider-Man books, but I heard good things about Life Story, the Zdarsky minseries. I just ordered the TPB, don't let me down Chip
People have been trying to squeeze emotion out of Peter's meaningless relationships and hacky deaths and clones and body swaps for years. Spider-Man is a dude trying to live up to a version of himself in his head, sometimes succeeding, mostly failing. I have to wonder if Stan Lee was channeling his realest self when writing Peter, working in mediocrity for thirty-nine years before Fantastic Four took off.
Very few writers nail that aspect of the character even if they understand it. It's just what weird new things can make Peter sad and also get him laid, and then run it back over and over even if literal Satan has to erase continuity to do it. Oh he's poor. Oh he's rich. Oh he's married. Oh he's single. Who cares? What are the stakes of that beyond dumb breakups, deaths, or other forced traumatic experiences we just expect to be universal? The question is, is he living up to his projected capability or not? If not, why?
Side note: I hate most Spider-Man books, but I heard good things about Life Story, the Zdarsky minseries. I just ordered the TPB, don't let me down Chip
I liked Loki, It was definitely helped by being only 6 episodes.
That said, there’s one thing I don’t fully understand:
If there’s a time keeper who maintains a single timeline, where the fuck do all the variants come from? Why are there a hundred Lokis, why were they only culled when they “stepped out of line”?
That said, there’s one thing I don’t fully understand:
If there’s a time keeper who maintains a single timeline, where the fuck do all the variants come from? Why are there a hundred Lokis, why were they only culled when they “stepped out of line”?
I really enjoyed it, except for the third episode I think. That was filler rubbish.
But the rest of the show was great. All the characters were gut, the cinematography was great, and the season finale was very good.
If anything I'd complain about how they managed to make Falcon and the Winter Soldier so shit if they have capable people like the one that produced this and Wandavision.
But the rest of the show was great. All the characters were gut, the cinematography was great, and the season finale was very good.
If anything I'd complain about how they managed to make Falcon and the Winter Soldier so shit if they have capable people like the one that produced this and Wandavision.
By Elchele Go To PostI really enjoyed it, except for the third episode I think. That was filler rubbish.There were key elements cut from. Falcon due to the pandemic that involved vaccine distribution. So there were some parts that felt uneven. Even then, I still think it was good.
But the rest of the show was great. All the characters were gut, the cinematography was great, and the season finale was very good.
If anything I'd complain about how they managed to make Falcon and the Winter Soldier so shit if they have capable people like the one that produced this and Wandavision.
Falcon is the most grounded from all the D+ shows so that will feel less superhero'y.
The "villains" did lack bite though, but that could be a result of the situation during filming. Besides. ZEMO.
COVID definitely fucked Falcon/Winter the most.
It was fine, but it would have been nice to see the series without large parts of it having to be thrown on the cutting room floor.
It was fine, but it would have been nice to see the series without large parts of it having to be thrown on the cutting room floor.
By inky Go To PostHere's my solution. Watch Coen bros. Don't watch Marvel #54 and expect it to be different than #53.This is the way.
Though you can still occasionally enjoy following the discourse enough to laugh at the Marvel boys whinging.
By Daz Go To PostFalcon is the most grounded from all the D+ shows so that will feel less superhero'y.
nah, it's not about that. The two main actors just lacked any level of charisma, the script was pure shite and the setting and topics of the show were so cheesy and forced. It was an awful show, like something done by amateurs
By JesalR Go To PostI liked Loki, It was definitely helped by being only 6 episodes.I would take it as alternate universes, which are pretty big in DC / Marvel. So it's one timeline but this Loki is from Universe A, while this Loki is from Galaxy Z-4215
That said, there’s one thing I don’t fully understand:
If there’s a time keeper who maintains a single timeline, where the fuck do all the variants come from? Why are there a hundred Lokis, why were they only culled when they “stepped out of line”?
By Elchele Go To Postnah, it's not about that. The two main actors just lacked any level of charisma, the script was pure shite and the setting and topics of the show were so cheesy and forced. It was an awful show, like something done by amateursWhich topics?
By sy Go To PostWhich topics?racism, migration, refugees, forgiveness.
Like Reilo said in the other thread, if she's not seeing a penny of those premier access earnings that's a shit situation and one probably not addressed in a pre-covid contract
By LFMartins86 Go To Post
Why is Oscar Isaac hired for two Marvel properties but plastered with tons of make-up to make him unrecognisable? Might as well get a cheaper option then.
By DerZuhälter Go To PostWhy is Oscar Isaac hired for two Marvel properties but plastered with tons of make-up to make him unrecognisable? Might as well get a cheaper option then.Because he's doing VA for these shows and has a stunt double doing most of the work