China was always going to buy some pork and soybeans from the US, this is nothing new.
US says China agreed to $50B of ag buys over two years which was what their historical levels were pre-tariffs (~$24B a year) so what did the last two years accomplish?
Also should point out that the Chinese announcement of "phase 1" didn't even mention the ag buy agreement, so lol, schrodinger's trade deal
US says China agreed to $50B of ag buys over two years which was what their historical levels were pre-tariffs (~$24B a year) so what did the last two years accomplish?
Also should point out that the Chinese announcement of "phase 1" didn't even mention the ag buy agreement, so lol, schrodinger's trade deal
By Fenderputty Go To PostNo I’m not seeing the relationHow can you not? It's just smoke n mirrors.
You were sure they had him, his son dead to rights with the FBI report but that was a anticlimactic and shit when Bill got a BJ that impeachment process went pretty fast... but for treason let's take our time despite reports of having all the evidence needed?
By Fenderputty Go To PostPer US officials. We’ve heard this before tho
By blackace Go To PostKinda like them impeachment reports, isn't it?
By Fenderputty Go To PostNo I’m not seeing the relation
By HasphatsAnts Go To PostChina was always going to buy some pork and soybeans from the US, this is nothing new.
US says China agreed to $50B of ag buys over two years which was what their historical levels were pre-tariffs (~$24B a year) so what did the last two years accomplish?
Also should point out that the Chinese announcement of "phase 1" didn't even mention the ag buy agreement, so lol, schrodinger's trade deal
the plebs don't know. They'll see it as getting things done and vote against themselves over and over.
By Facism Go To Postthe plebs don't know. They'll see it as getting things done and vote against themselves over and over.country not ruined, he said fukk china before it was cool, diss track on all the haters dropping soon....
senate hasn't even shown its ass on this impeachment show yet either. its not looking good for our heroes
By DY_nasty Go To Postlol pretty much
By HasphatsAnts Go To PostChina was always going to buy some pork and soybeans from the US, this is nothing new.2020 is after the election... so never know until he gets vote in again...
US says China agreed to $50B of ag buys over two years which was what their historical levels were pre-tariffs (~$24B a year) so what did the last two years accomplish?
Also should point out that the Chinese announcement of "phase 1" didn't even mention the ag buy agreement, so lol, schrodinger's trade deal
It's funny... Nadler out there saying they have enough evidence to get a guilty verdict in 3 mins and Trump promising trade deals in 2020 but neither has shown anything... but it's mad different for the Dems
Dems been fucked since they have no real consensus on shit and decided that poverty, unions and tradesman weren't as appealing as wall street. Then we all sit around with our thumbs up our ass and wonder why various regions don't vote democrat.
By i can get you a toe Go To PostDems been fucked since they have no real consensus on shit and decided that poverty, unions and tradesman weren't as appealing as wall street. Then we all sit around with our thumbs up our ass and wonder why various regions don't vote democrat.I've watched all but one debate and I can't recall any of the nationwide teacher's strikes coming up at all
betsy devos is still a demon but meh apparently
By blackace Go To PostHow can you not? It's just smoke n mirrors.
You were sure they had him, his son dead to rights with the FBI report but that was a anticlimactic and shit when Bill got a BJ that impeachment process went pretty fast… but for treason let's take our time despite reports of having all the evidence needed?
I’ve not once said the senate will remove him. In fact, I was one of the few here that thought rushing to impeach was bad at first when others argued not impeaching woukd suppress democratic votes
By Fenderputty Go To PostI’ve not once said the senate will remove him. In fact, I was one of the few here that thought rushing to impeach was bad at first when others argued not impeaching woukd suppress democratic voteswe weren't talking about that tho lol
By Fenderputty Go To PostI’ve not once said the senate will remove him. In fact, I was one of the few here that thought rushing to impeach was bad at first when others argued not impeaching woukd suppress democratic votes
Maybe we can look at old Mueller report posts?
But regardless.. you really can't see it as election tactic just like Trump's magical trade deals in 2020?
By Not Go To PostThat blue wave is coming any day now...
Hell yes we will
American left babyyyyy
By blackace Go To PostMaybe we can look at old Mueller report posts?
But regardless.. you really can't see it as election tactic just like Trump's magical trade deals in 2020?
Mueller hopes died with Barr.
Impeachment is an election tactic, I’m not sure his China trade war is. It was, but I feel like it’s lost it’s appeal to sections of his base. I think he mostly just uses it to make money now.
Part of the reason I don’t think he wants to debate. He’s failed on many promises, and does better in a campaign rally setting where he can just lie hyperbolically without pushback.
By Fenderputty Go To PostMueller hopes died with Barr.It was all good just a week ago!
Dems so late with the impeachment they just wanna drag it out till the election precisely because in the end all they care about is precedent for their own executive rather than what's best. It's why they never curbed the fuck outta Executive Privilege when they had the chance.
By i can get you a toe Go To PostAmericans just kind of in denial about how conservative they are, especially dems.
It’s just Dems. Especially the left wing of the party.
By blackace Go To PostIt was all good just a week ago!
Huh?
By Fenderputty Go To PostIt’s just Dems. Especially the left wing of the party.?_?
By DY_nasty Go To PostDon't give Barr credit for all that amounting to shit lol
Ohh it’s all him. Sure the right would have tried to spin anything, but Barr gave them ammo. Including forcing the end of the investigation so he could release the report with redacted info. Like gates testifying Trump knew stone was wiki leaks contact.
He lied about the obstruction shit too.
By i can get you a toe Go To PostDems so late with the impeachment they just wanna drag it out till the election precisely because in the end all they care about is precedent for their own executive rather than what's best. It's why they never curbed the fuck outta Executive Privilege when they had the chance.It's basically like when Bush was telling people that McCain had a bastard nigglet baby.. it is just a scare tactic for votes.
I love how Fender is blaming the left wing of the party again wow lol
They were the only ones willing to go in on the Mueller stuff and now we've got this weak "we tried :/" impeachment instead.
They were the only ones willing to go in on the Mueller stuff and now we've got this weak "we tried :/" impeachment instead.
By DY_nasty Go To PostI love how Fender is blaming the left wing of the party again wow lol
They were the only ones willing to go in on the Mueller stuff and now we've got this weak "we tried :/" impeachment instead.
By DY_nasty Go To PostI love how Fender is blaming the left wing of the party again wow lol
They were the only ones willing to go in on the Mueller stuff and now we've got this weak "we tried :/" impeachment instead.
The only thing I’m blaming the left on, is overestimating how much they think people are just waiting for a good left wing candidate.
By DY_nasty Go To PostI love how Fender is blaming the left wing of the party again wow lol
They were the only ones willing to go in on the Mueller stuff and now we've got this weak "we tried :/" impeachment instead.
Litterally remember you arguing for impeachment
By Fenderputty Go To PostOhh it’s all him. Sure the right would have tried to spin anything, but Barr gave them ammo. Including forcing the end of the investigation so he could release the report with redacted info. Like gates testifying Trump knew stone was wiki leaks contact.Barr wasn't the one who stood on his hands and decided 1) not to even protect mueller during the process 2) didn't know what to do when mueller stated that it was on congress to take decisive action regarding the findings or 3) begged mueller to come in there to give them the bad news that they had to hold people accountable themselves in person
He lied about the obstruction shit too.
all Barr is is just a point in a chain, he's not the sole resource and distributor of integrity and action in washington
By Fenderputty Go To PostLitterally remember you arguing for impeachmentand I wanted it for something impeachable, like the longest shutdown in government history over pettiness.
not a remarkably subjective and historically encouraged abusive of power granted to the position of the president. if anything, i've argued against the powers of the executive office longer than anyone else too lol
By Fenderputty Go To PostLitterally remember you arguing for impeachmentIf they have him under the gun pull the trigger... but they obviously don't so..
By DY_nasty Go To PostBarr wasn't the one who stood on his hands and decided 1) not to even protect mueller during the process 2) didn't know what to do when mueller stated that it was on congress to take decisive action regarding the findings or 3) begged mueller to come in there to give them the bad news that they had to hold people accountable themselves in person
all Barr is just a point in a chain, he's not the sole resource and distributor of integrity and action in washington
Protect him? How?
Your last two points are fair, but with redacted info, it’s It was a harder sell. Especially with Barr’s memo poisoning the narrative.
By blackace Go To PostIf they have him under the gun pull the trigger… but they obviously don't so..
Ohh no, the initial arguments regarding impeachment here mostly had to do with constitutional duty. They could have video it wouldn’t matter: that’s why the constitutionalist and election tactic argument were made
He’s way more under the gun with Ukraine than with Mueller.
By FootFungus Go To PostIs this green screened? This can't be real.
All real. The sitting prime minister’s seat is usually contested by some odd ducks.
Lord Buckethead is a legend: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lord_Buckethead
Stood against Theresa May and Margaret Thatcher:
After a copyright dispute, the Lord Buckethead from 2017, Jonathan Harvey, ran for Johnson's seat in 2019 as the similarly-appearing independent candidate Count Binface, while a third incarnation of Lord Buckethead ("an American from Beverly Hills", according to Harvey) stood for the Official Monster Raving Loony Party.
Corbyn has been confronted by Elmo:
I saw the elmo clip earlier, but I couldn't believe they were on stage with Boris in what looks like a second rate conference hall. Man, British politics is so much more fun. Everything in America is so fucking dry, that's why it's kinda funny to see Poppa Trump pop off from the hip.
By FootFungus Go To Post
Lol now they're going to start this shit with Bernie.
Fucking hell
By DY_nasty Go To PostMoon had just got in the door at the time. But more than that, SK didn't really have a say in the matter either way lol. What are they gonna do against more than effective artillery that's been locked on their cities for decades and shelters that have been abandoned entirely out of complacency and the belief that the US will do the heavy lifting? The missiles are a separate point than SK's concerns too because they've been living at gunpoint and gotten used to it. Japan, Australia, the rest of the Pacific is not going to tolerate things like Seoul and has never counted on Seoul to protect them from NK either.Not really arguing about SK’s military capabilities or any of that or how a war would turn out. I don’t care to play armchair general. My only point is that Kim’s current change in behaviour is entirely due to Moon’s various olive branches and his administration making NK relations its top priority. To say “SK didn’t really have a say in the matter either way” is just silly and somewhat offensive to the current SK administration, when they’re the other country on the peninsula and for them to have better relations works out for everyone involved, the US and China included. Hilariously enough that attitude of demeaning allies is why the US seems to have less and less allies every day. Also it is worth nothing SK has tried similar policies in the past that led to similar results and temporarily calming down NK. Compared to past US attempts which were only ever low-level talks.
I mean, there's nothing SK can provide NK that's more important than a way out of this standoff that they have with the West and one way relationships with China/Russia.
Help me understand what you want out of the situation because there's very few realistic options regarding NK stepping off the ledge with any semblance of their control (and zero chance of a Korean Unification thanks to China) intact. People get really wishy washy on the topic. We were close to an open conventional war that would've led to the biggest clusterfucks in ages and we got Kim to the table. Is that bad?
Why were we on “the ledge” in the first place? We were close to war because of missteps from the WH and the fact that you guys have a complete imbecile as President, surrounded by imperialists and war mongers. The US administration is the sole reason war was even being talked about. You’re giving Trump credit for putting out the fire that he himself has set lol. Surely you see the problem here? It’s also not even the first time that the US got the North Koreans to the discussion table so I’m baffled as to why that’s some masterclass in diplomacy.
By Perfect Blue Go To PostNot really arguing about SK’s military capabilities or any of that or how a war would turn out. I don’t care to play armchair general. My only point is that Kim’s current change in behaviour is entirely due to Moon’s various olive branches and his administration making NK relations its top priority. To say “SK didn’t really have a say in the matter either way” is just silly and somewhat offensive to the current SK administration, when they’re the other country on the peninsula and for them to have better relations works out for everyone involved, the US and China included. Hilariously enough that attitude of demeaning allies is why the US seems to have less and less allies every day. Also it is worth nothing SK has tried similar policies in the past that led to similar results and temporarily calming down NK. Compared to past US attempts which were only ever low-level talks.For the bolded, naw. SK and NK do this dance at least twice every decade. Moon is not some pioneer.
Why were we on “the ledge” in the first place? We were close to war because of missteps from the WH and the fact that you guys have a complete imbecile as President, surrounded by imperialists and war mongers. The US administration is the sole reason war was even being talked about. You’re giving Trump credit for putting out the fire that he himself has set lol. Surely you see the problem here? It’s also not even the first time that the US got the North Koreans to the discussion table so I’m baffled as to why that’s some masterclass in diplomacy.
My overall point though is that SK does not protect the Pacific from North Korea. SK doesn't protect our allies and it doesn't even protect itself. There's an entire tangent I could go off on about Japan being militarily neutered gave the entire Pacific room to breathe and that SK got the US stimilus package to hit them twice… but its probably a better discussion for a history thread that I'll eventually force myself to make. So good for them? Prisoner exchanges, better communication, bridge building is good and all but the moment any talk of a Korean Peninsula unification starts to take form China would air out the NK regime before anyone else lol...
Its not an armchair general statement either. The 'ledge' was something that plenty of others have noted in the past as an ongoing problem. Each US president has footed the bill of the NK problem to the next president but that was never going to last because eventually technology would allow NK's saber rattling to have more bass than simple artillery and small scale naval disturbances. Eventually, they'd gain access to missile technology that would propel their their theme from tolerable annoyance to something far more dangerous, and force more considerations as a result.
You have to go out of your way and blame NK's aggression on Trump. NK should've been brought to the table at least 3 decades ago. Every president has dealt with an outrageous NK. Trump is the only one that's had to deal with them using long range missiles to threaten the mainland and the entire region. That's why "Trump created this" is complete nonsense. No president wanted to deal with it. No other president really had to. Technology forced an inevitable confrontation.
Also, you're not really stating an alternative here. To think that anyone would start a fight with NK just to foot the bill on a leveled Seoul and the largest humanitarian crisis since WW2 is ridiculous. The only group who wants to push that is the NK regime, and they do that because "we can all go to hell lmao" is their primary bargaining point. Saying it louder with nukes is trusting the process finally paying off.
And this wasn't some proxy war bullshit in a strange land no one cares about either. This was direct threats on the US mainland too. That's more than a good enough reason to tell someone they can get all the smoke...
By DY_nasty Go To PostFor the bolded, naw. SK and NK do this dance at least twice every decade. Moon is not some pioneer.I get what you’re saying about the military stuff and I’ll admit I’m not well educated on military aspects like that, so I’ll take your word for it.
My overall point though is that SK does not protect the Pacific from North Korea. SK doesn't protect our allies and it doesn't even protect itself. There's an entire tangent I could go off on about Japan being militarily neutered gave the entire Pacific room to breathe and that SK got the US stimilus package to hit them twice… but its probably a better discussion for a history thread that I'll eventually force myself to make. So good for them? Prisoner exchanges, better communication, bridge building is good and all but the moment any talk of a Korean Peninsula unification starts to take form China would air out the NK regime before anyone else lol…
Its not an armchair general statement either. The 'ledge' was something that plenty of others have noted in the past as an ongoing problem. Each US president has footed the bill of the NK problem to the next president but that was never going to last because eventually technology would allow NK's saber rattling to have more bass than simple artillery and small scale naval disturbances. Eventually, they'd gain access to missile technology that would propel their their theme from tolerable annoyance to something far more dangerous, and force more considerations as a result.
You have to go out of your way and blame NK's aggression on Trump. NK should've been brought to the table at least 3 decades ago. Every president has dealt with an outrageous NK. Trump is the only one that's had to deal with them using long range missiles to threaten the mainland and the entire region. That's why "Trump created this" is complete nonsense. No president wanted to deal with it. No other president really had to. Technology forced an inevitable confrontation.
Also, you're not really stating an alternative here. To think that anyone would start a fight with NK just to foot the bill on a leveled Seoul and the largest humanitarian crisis since WW2 is ridiculous. The only group who wants to push that is the NK regime, and they do that because "we can all go to hell lmao" is their primary bargaining point. Saying it louder with nukes is trusting the process finally paying off.
And this wasn't some proxy war bullshit in a strange land no one cares about either. This was direct threats on the US mainland too. That's more than a good enough reason to tell someone they can get all the smoke…
I don’t think it’s at all a stretch to blame the Trump administration on NK’s aggression and sabre rattling. Look at who is staffed in the administration at the time all of this was happening. John Bolton, Pompeo, Trump himself, people in Congress like Tom Cotton, Lindsey Graham, etc who all favour using American military power to “solve” problems worldwide. NK being aggressive was an attempt to counter that + they saw what happened with Trump revoking the Iran deal showing the US has no credibility for sticking with international agreements right now. I can’t picture the same scenarios playing out how they did if there was someone else in the WH.
Y’all don’t seem to get that most of the world views the US as the bad guy, especially now. NK is absolutely deserved in thinking that because why wouldn’t they? You’ve toppled regimes and leaders for years. It’s not a stretch for them to think that the US, especially under Trump aided by Pompeo and Bolton, would be planning moves to oust Kim. Dude wasn’t going to take all of that laying down. Everything Kim does is for the sake of self preservation, just like every other authoritarian regime.
Do you think there’s a threat of them actually using ICBMs with nukes and hitting the US? Or Japan? Perhaps Kim is out of his depth but I doubt this dude is an idiot where he’d be willing to commit suicide and have the peninsula blown back to kingdom come.
Its kinda hard to keep this grounded when we go from the NK 50+ year standoff to Lindsey Graham to what "the rest of the world" thinks. That's the broadest stroke possible to paint with man lol.
I'm also generally of the opinion that being able to air out any sort of grievance, displeasure, animosity, etc freely and openly without getting your teeth kicked in for it is a sign of a pretty good foreign partner relationship historically. In an age of global superpowers, this is peace. Not holding hands and dancing together in harmony. Peace is international travel for anyone who can afford a ticket, selling goods to people across the border without being subject to a firing line for treason, trusting other nations so heavily with your defense that you're completely comfortable without a significant standing army of your own... I could obviously go on - but the point I want to make is that I'm going off a very different perspective than you are when it comes to any sort of true dissatisfaction with how the current western world's relationships are.
And there's a huge disconnect about the foreign policy too. There's no "we can just be nice" in many situations either. Because its tone deaf, ignores context/history, and the other party can simply say fuck you and no. Which is what NK has to do considering the whole they dug themselves.
I think there is a threat of them doing it though. They have to make it a real threat otherwise what's the point. NK has reached the end of this line but... it can only go a few ways imo. Self preservation means keeping the gun pointed at Seoul and the only way out is through raising the stakes, like he has, to be taken seriously enough for the field to change into something more advantageous.
My *hope* is that it gets resolved before Abe succeeds in Making Nippon Great Again. But a quiet period with plenty of other countries acting as intermediaries between all involved is the best near future scenario considering where things were. If for nothing else other than to actually make plans for a modern worst case scenario.
I'm also generally of the opinion that being able to air out any sort of grievance, displeasure, animosity, etc freely and openly without getting your teeth kicked in for it is a sign of a pretty good foreign partner relationship historically. In an age of global superpowers, this is peace. Not holding hands and dancing together in harmony. Peace is international travel for anyone who can afford a ticket, selling goods to people across the border without being subject to a firing line for treason, trusting other nations so heavily with your defense that you're completely comfortable without a significant standing army of your own... I could obviously go on - but the point I want to make is that I'm going off a very different perspective than you are when it comes to any sort of true dissatisfaction with how the current western world's relationships are.
And there's a huge disconnect about the foreign policy too. There's no "we can just be nice" in many situations either. Because its tone deaf, ignores context/history, and the other party can simply say fuck you and no. Which is what NK has to do considering the whole they dug themselves.
I think there is a threat of them doing it though. They have to make it a real threat otherwise what's the point. NK has reached the end of this line but... it can only go a few ways imo. Self preservation means keeping the gun pointed at Seoul and the only way out is through raising the stakes, like he has, to be taken seriously enough for the field to change into something more advantageous.
My *hope* is that it gets resolved before Abe succeeds in Making Nippon Great Again. But a quiet period with plenty of other countries acting as intermediaries between all involved is the best near future scenario considering where things were. If for nothing else other than to actually make plans for a modern worst case scenario.
By RrusheR Go To PostFucking hellApparently the chick who wrote that is a proud grandkid of a neonazi.
