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Also ... it seems state Attorney's are already telling Sessions to go fuck himself lol

Just 5k is like.... REALLY small here.

So small that I don't even want to call it anything relevant yet because it would depress the fuck out of me lol.

And I'm not talking about preppy college kids selling - I'm talking about the preppy hipster on CNN and on TV in general pushing the new imagine of marijuana sales. College kids is just demograph to me. Just another cheap labor force that'll be too happy to do this job for pennies while the previous 'workers' in this 'market' stood to make way more.

That's what I mean when say they're not coming back.

By reilo Go To PostNever going back to Texas. Ever.

Texas roads are light-years ahead of Louisiana roads. It's so bad here.

I don't think 5K people applying to remove convictions because they see an avenue into the market is "small". Think of another market right now where 5K of similar start ups can occur across a state / country at the same fucking time? Maybe Poke shops.

By DY_nasty Go To PostAnd I'm not talking about preppy college kids selling - I'm talking about the preppy hipster on CNN and on TV in general pushing the new imagine of marijuana sales. College kids is just demograph to me. Just another cheap labor force that'll be too happy to do this job for pennies while the previous 'workers' in this 'market' stood to make way more.

So if preppy college kids are another cheap labor force that will be too happy to do the job, how are you not talking preppy college kids selling? I'm not squaring what you're saying here. All of that job data I posted from CBS was based off of the Colorado markets too. So again ... there's money and there's jobs that will become available. Like where are you getting this "way more" from? Do you have information on how much these people were making and how much they stand to lose when making this claim? Do preppy college kids exist in every city where sales will occur?

In any case you were complaining mostly about the dude who sells at below poverty line levels anyway and how he's getting assed out. If his job is replaced by another, even if it's also below poverty line, he's at least not dealing with the illegality of it all and possible trouble.

I just ... I don't see what you want. Do you want to deal with the war on Drugs, or are you happy with the status quo?

Has Roy Moore faded into the Oblivion gates yet

By Fenderputty Go To PostSo if preppy college kids are another cheap labor force that will be too happy to do the job, how are you not talking preppy college kids selling? I'm not squaring what you're saying here. All of that job data I posted from CBS was based off of the Colorado markets too. So again … there's money and there's jobs that will become available. Like where are you getting this "way more" from? Do you have information on how much these people were making and how much they stand to lose when making this claim?

In any case you were complaining mostly about the dude who sells at below poverty line levels anyway and how he's getting assed out. If his job is replaced by another, even if it's also below poverty line, he's at least not dealing with the illegality of it all and possible trouble.

I just … I don't see what you want. Do you want to deal with the war on Drugs, or are you happy with the status quo?

How much do you think these guys were making being dealers before? Going from that to minimum or slightly above minimum wage to work the counter is joke money. People dealt drugs because those jobs weren't good enough to provide in the first place. By offering those same wages to them again and saying "its still weed! you know all about this :D" is a whole bunch of nothing. As for college kids... I don't particularly care about that group of highly transitional workers. No one really does. In a vacuum.... what's a college kid to anyone? They're free money to everyone lol until they're not.

Its just not a practical transition. And obviously people aren't going to be pulling their tax returns to show their net worth back when they were illegally moving marijuana in order to justify their value. Colorado also doesn't line up with California in a loooooot of ways. Pointing the nation's control group is just wishful thinking all around.

I think that in order to call it an opportunity, you have to inherently frame the marijuana situation in such a sense where you only consider the growth potential of a new market. Not talk about the people still in jail, who many thought were at the heart of all this. So if you like the sales and stuff, great, but if you were always against the stances that ruined lives over victimless crimes then you're still left wondering what the hell is going to happen on that front. If anything, the status quo is that its all good and the good times are about to roll. That's the problem I had and I think I've been pretty consistent on it since I first commented on it a few pages back.

If the only thing to happen is talk about a few business opportunities and some transition points for a fraction effected otherwise then I'm gonna be very pessimistic regarding Americans' tendency to half fight battles and over inflate small victories then be led away from the larger discussion by the nose.

By Kibner Go To PostTexas roads are light-years ahead of Louisiana roads. It's so bad here.

Wait, I thought he was talking about traffic congestion?

He's talking about the road's pavement? If so... DC is pretty fucked on that front too. Virginia is okay but Leesburg Pike has some trouble spots also.

Let's be real here... legalizing weed isn't a win for the "little guy". It's a win for the tobacco industry because now they have a new source of revenue.

It's a win for people with the capital ready or who have already established a foothold. Opportunity is only as good as job history, credit score, etc. Shallow platitudes are just that.

By reilo Go To PostLet's be real here… legalizing weed isn't a win for the "little guy". It's a win for the tobacco industry because now they have a new source of revenue.

Yep, my sisters husband is out in oregon right now as a CEO of a major weed and he said as much.

He actually wants it to stay "illegal" as long as possible to keep the big 3 (alcohol, tobacco and pharma) out.

https://www.gofundme.com/we-need-heat-in-our-public-schools

Baltimore school teacher setting up a gofundme for space heaters. I mean you wanna talk "opportunity" imagine not even being able to just stay warm at school.

i mean.... again lol

my biggest thing will be watching how this weed stuff just signalizes the 'end' of the war on drugs

it took people a week to go back to shitting on black people in alabama. selling weed is about to be the new cornrows on white girls

By TheHunter Go To PostYep, my sisters husband is out in oregon right now as a CEO of a major weed and he said as much.

He actually wants it to stay "illegal" as long as possible to keep the big 3 (alcohol, tobacco and pharma) out.

This is where the consumer finally benefits though. When the medical industry is trying to keep it's monopoly on sales and production we have a problem. Its actually the same mentality the crime lords have regarding legality too. It's the reason I think that being upset people don't have opportunity to grow because of lack of land is sorta short sighted. Once legal federally nobody small is producing for dollars.

By DY_nasty Go To PostHow much do you think these guys were making being dealers before? Going from that to minimum or slightly above minimum wage to work the counter is joke money. People dealt drugs because those jobs weren't good enough to provide in the first place. By offering those same wages to them again and saying "its still weed! you know all about this :D" is a whole bunch of nothing. As for college kids… I don't particularly care about that group of highly transitional workers. No one really does. In a vacuum…. what's a college kid to anyone? They're free money to everyone lol until they're not.

Breh ... you used a dude selling drugs below the poverty line as an example of a person who will be left out of this opportunity. I'm assuming that person isn't selling Drugs because they make more than another low wage job in that scenario, but rather because it's all they got.

You're also assuming all the job created in this industry will be minimum wage or garbage. I posted some form evidence to counter this. I even gave that wonderful anecdotal evidence of what my friend makes just watching a crop.

By Fenderputty Go To PostThis is where the consumer finally benefits though. When the medical industry is trying to keep it's monopoly on sales and production we have a problem. Its actually the same mentality the crime lords have regarding legality too. It's the reason I think that being upset people don't have opportunity to grow because of lack of land is sorta short sighted. Once legal federally nobody small is producing for dollars.


Breh … you used a dude selling drugs below the poverty line as an example of a person who will be left out of this opportunity. I'm assuming that person isn't selling Drugs because they make more than another low wage job in that scenario, but rather because it's all they got.

You're also assuming all the job created in this industry will be minimum wage or garbage. I posted some form evidence to counter this. I even gave that wonderful anecdotal evidence of what my friend makes just watching a crop.

Why would they not be minimum wage or garbage wtf lol

You really think Marijuana sales are gonna stay like your neighborhood Farmers Market once things actually get going?

Thank you, California. Expunging records and allowing people with previous convictions to get to the head of the line. Thank you.

By DY_nasty Go To PostWhy would they not be minimum wage or garbage wtf lol

You really think Marijuana sales are gonna stay like your neighborhood Farmers Market once things actually get going?

Some of them will be minimum wage jobs! You're example was a dealer making below the poverty line. What's the difference?

Some won't be minimum wage jobs. Chefs, managers and even sellers won't be as they gain tips on top of a wage. People who help grow the crops. Anyone in the testing field. etc etc. Fuck ... trimmmer make decent cash too. In 2015 trimmer were averaging 12-15 an hour!

Again ... when thing REALLY get going it's legal nationally and Marlboro takes everyone's profits away. IMO any opportunity right now is mostly available until the Feds do something. Then the only opportunity will be in end of line distribution or surround niche markets like weed friendly coffee shops or some shit.

By Fenderputty Go To PostSome of them will be minimum wage jobs! You're example was a dealer making below the poverty line. What's the difference?

Some won't be minimum wage jobs. Chefs, managers and even sellers won't be as they gain tips on top of a wage. People who help grow the crops. Anyone in the testing field. etc etc. Fuck … trimmmer make decent cash too. In 2015 trimmer were averaging 12-15 an hour!

Again … when thing REALLY get going it's legal nationally and Marlboro takes everyone's profits away. IMO any opportunity right now is mostly available until the Feds do something. Then the only opportunity will be in end of line distribution or surround niche markets like weed friendly coffee shops or some shit.

How much do you think people could make selling weed? Serious question

I think that's where we're off here by a pretty substantial amount lol

Fact check: False

By DY_nasty Go To PostHow much do you think people could make selling weed? Serious question

I think that's where we're off here by a pretty substantial amount lol

In a shop? Hard to tell. Tips are standard and nothing to scoff at. I know some dispensaries where the sellers are actually volunteers because the tips are that substantial.

The “hipsterificatiin” of this will probably help here if anything. Each year I see more and more of your average person shopping and less and less of just seeing your standard pot head. I know lots of middle class old dudes exited to go try again. These people will need help. Strain types, potency, effects, edible dosage, waxes, crumbles etc etc.

How much did the black market small time pusher make? Again ... depends on lots of factors. My homie who slanged when I was in my early 20’s made enough to live on his own and party at bars but he wasn’t really what I would call small time as He pushed pounds of the stuff

Naw, not in a shop. Like just free dealing.

How much money do you think you can actually make just selling small time?

By Mrs. Manky Go To PostThank you, California. Expunging records and allowing people with previous convictions to get to the head of the line. Thank you.

That might be what triggered sessions

By DY_nasty Go To PostNaw, not in a shop. Like just free dealing.

How much money do you think you can actually make just selling small time?

Hard to say. Need more info. How much you pushing on the reg? What's small time? How much do they buy up front to sell? What state? lol.

Not sure why this would matter in your scenario where a dealer is making less than the poverty line. Small time dealers making decent money will have more opportunity to save and will have more opportunity moving forward with this new law to start their own thing. Like the dealer making 45K a year might be the most assed out in your scenario, not the poorest or the richest. Those people won't have their jobs replaced by legal ones and they may have a hard time with opportunity because

Let's make a table. I think what you and I really are after here are how many people fall into the below breakout.

0-10K - this group will have jobs replaced by the market easily. May make more legally and won't have to do anything illegal.
10-20K - this group will probably be very similar the the above group. No illegality probably make the same as they did before it was legal by getting a job.
30-40K - Things may get stickier in this price point for an old seller. Jobs created by the industry may be harder to find to make this much. Didn't make enough to save for opportunity now. Might be able to start delivery. You should have some connects as you're pushing more now.
40-50K - Things are sticky here. Though here you're probably making connections into the supply chain that could be useful moving forward. You could probably start your own delivery thing. Finding a replacement job won't be easy.
50-60K - Things are less sticky as savings should be easier. You're pushing poundage and have connects.
60-70K - Things should probably be fine for this entrepreneurial individual.
70K+ - Breh really?

What do you think of those breakouts, functionally and how many people do you think fall into each category?

Google is funny for stuff like this

https://www.thebillfold.com/2012/04/the-economics-of-a-part-time-drug-dealer/

He didn't make much. Made more on tips than through illicit sales.

Bro, Fender, pls. This isn't a path to raising the middle class wages. The ones that will benefit the most is the tobacco industry and the state on with a new tax stream.

By reilo Go To PostBro, Fender, pls. This isn't a path to raising the middle class wages. The ones that will benefit the most is the tobacco industry and the state on with a new tax stream.

I've said this. It's part of the reason I think all of this "opportunity" stuff is kinda short sighted. The benefits are at a consumer level and on a crime level when we're talking this scope. I don't think this will be for 10 years or more though so ... people gonna make some cash until then.

DY and I are arguing about the immediate impacts of California's law and how it may or may not give back to the people most affected. He's less optimistic about opportunity. We both are frustrated by lack of people being set free for marijuana crimes. He's not impressed by the state allowing expunges for licences to sell as he feels there won't be opportunity, and he's not impressed with Cities fast tracking minorities to the front to sell for the same reasons.

I, and some others in here, aren't as pessimistic as he is about this. Or at the very least, we are happy the state is trying unlike the others.

I'm being too polite if I'm coming across as just pessimistic on this one. I firmly believe the majority are already fucked and this goodwill gesture is about as helpful as McDonald's budget for living on the minimum wage while attending college - except this is with guys who've lost years of their lives and are still forced to play catch up.

The amount of money you can make moving two pounds every few days easily trumps two minimum wage gigs with a fraction of the effort. You can't just swipe out that kind of difference in money, ignore what caused people to take such absurd risk in the first place, offer them a job in the same sector, and pretend its all good lol

10 years is a joke too. People were buying up land to grow and areas to sell years ago and simply held onto the properties waiting for this day to come. They've done it in every state that's flirted with legalization and investors have treated it like the hot market its bound to be. This is not in any way a level playing field and these meager offers of outreach aren't anything other than symbolic gestures that somehow ride a line being meaningless while at the same time hinting that this entire ordeal with marijuana is close to being over.

Small time

two pounds every couple of days

Doesn't compute.

That's 3K in material purchased every couple of days. If a person is pushing that much. They're not being locked out of opportunity right now

Like I even posted a source who pushed small time lol. Fuckin A breh.

By Fenderputty Go To PostSmall time

two pounds every couple of days

Doesn't compute.

That's 3K in material purchased every couple of days. If a person is pushing that much. They're not being locked out of opportunity right now

uhhhh yeah lol

you think people are risking going to jail over gas money?

Small time pushers are pushing grams and eights. Maybe quads or the occasional zip. Let's say they do a little of both and average it out to 8th ounce sales. That's 256 sales of 8ths in 2 days to push that much herb. If you're doing that you're making a fucking killing and have plenty of cash for your new pot delivery game or pot brownie outfit. Fuck at that much you should be able to start a grow op. You keep bringing up land. NOBODY BUYS OUTDOOR HERB. Nobody. It's all indoor hrydo being pushed in these places. If you're pushing anywhere near the level you're talking about and can't rent a warehouse and buy some grow gear you need to get out of the game anyway cause you're awful with money.

By DY_nasty Go To Postuhhhh yeah lol

you think people are risking going to jail over gas money?

YES! Dude its so apparent you've never been a part of this market it's killing me. Almost nobody wanted to push pounds because that's when cops start to care. The small guy they get to know so they can find out who the big guy is lol. FUCK MAN

Fender schooling Dy

Dy exposed

By Fenderputty Go To PostSmall time pushers are pushing grams and eights. Maybe quads or the occasional zip. Let's say they do a little of both and average it out to 8th ounce sales. That's 256 sales of 8ths in 2 days to push that much herb. If you're doing that you're making a fucking killing and have plenty of cash for your new pot delivery game or pot brownie outfit. Fuck at that much you should be able to start a grow op. You keep bringing up land. NOBODY BUYS OUTDOOR HERB. Nobody. It's all indoor hrydo being pushed in these places. If you're pushing anywhere near the level you're talking about and can't rent a warehouse and buy some grow gear you need to get out of the game anyway cause you're awful with money.

First off, yeah you do buy land. Its to build your units on your own private and secure property to do what you want without having to lease and deal with that hassle. Edit: Also, back in like 2015 you couldn't even get past most zoning laws unless you made the deliberate effort. That was the first step made by legislation to make it clear who and what was going to get the headstart.

You can't just rent out a place with no paper trail of your own so that you can house "stuff and things" anywhere in the country. Its your property. No one is going to openly financially support you while preempt this shit - that's how banks and loans get around most of the red tape while still getting the feet in the door. I don't know why you even assume that I'm referring to outdoor grown stuff like I don't live in a perpetual haze of weed smoke out here in Hawaii lol.

But again, i don't think we got the same idea of small time at all. you're kinda working around the idea that people only do this as a side project for gas money vs buy a car and get somewhere else in life. People don't get into this to make a 3/5/10 year plan wtf - they try and get as much money as they can as fast possible and get out unless its passion of there's. And those people with the 'passion' for it are an entirely different crowd than most.

By DY_nasty Go To PostFirst off, yeah you do buy land. Its to build your units on your own private and secure property to do what you want without having to lease and deal with that hassle. Edit: Also, back in like 2015 you couldn't even get past most zoning laws unless you made the deliberate effort. That was the first step made by legislation to make it clear who and what was going to get the headstart.

You can't just rent out a place with no paper trail of your own so that you can house "stuff and things" anywhere in the country. Its your property. No one is going to openly financially support you while preempt this shit - that's how banks and loans get around most of the red tape while still getting the feet in the door. I don't know why you even assume that I'm referring to outdoor grown stuff like I don't live in a perpetual haze of weed smoke out here in Hawaii lol.

But again, i don't think we got the same idea of small time at all. you're kinda working around the idea that people only do this as a side project for gas money vs buy a car and get somewhere else in life. People don't get into this to make a 3/5/10 year plan wtf - they try and get as much money as they can as fast possible and get out unless its passion of there's. And those people with the 'passion' for it are an entirely different crowd than most.

You're killing me smalls. First off you absolutely can rent warehouse space to grow pot. I have no idea where you thought this isn't possible. I KNOW I LOOKED INTO GROWING BUT GOT SCARED OF THE FEDS. Rich people bought land and will build house to grow mass quantities. WHO FUCKING CARES! You only need about 1500-1700 square feet of warehouse space to grow 150 fucking plants. Each plant can yield anywhere from 2-5 ounces. Even on the small side at 2 ounces per plant, that's 300 fucking ounces or roughly 19 pounds. You're turning this over every three months. 19 * 1500 = 28000 every three month. That's small yields too. The dude you're describing, the guy who buys cars and shit, that dude isn't having a hard time finding opportunity in this new market. At all. The loan to start something like this up is TEENY in comparison to a dispensary or buying land. This is what those 5K people see when they see opportunity.

Back to you're example. ($1500 pounds *2) = 3K. Sell that shit in two days and we'll use ounces and go to a larger scale small timer. If he sells ounces at $240 a pop he sold $7680 dollar in material in that time. That's $4600 in profit!!!!!! In two days!!!!! YOu think this dude is having a hard time starting something right now?

What's amazing is you seem to think the people who push ounces outnumber the people who push 8ths. It's a pyramid man. The dudes who buys ounces pushes to people who push 8ths. There are more people pushing 8ths to end users than there are people pushing ounces to people pushing 8ths. It's like this all the way up the chain. Most sellers are absolutely doing this for side cash and free weed. The ones doing it for a living are making money. They're not "below the poverty level"

The push as much as you can and get our fast guy better be tough as fuck too. lol

You're so out of touch regarding this it's hilarious.

By Fenderputty Go To PostYou're killing me smalls. First off you absolutely can rent warehouse space to grow pot. I have no idea where you thought this isn't possible. I KNOW I LOOKED INTO GROWING BUT GOT SCARED OF THE FEDS. Rich people bought land and will build house to grow mass quantities. WHO FUCKING CARES! You only need about 1500-1700 square feet of warehouse space to grow 150 fucking plants. Each plant can yield anywhere from 2-5 ounces. Even on the small side at 2 ounces per plant, that's 300 fucking ounces or roughly 19 pounds. You're turning this over every three months. 19 * 1500 = 28000 every three month. That's small yields too. The dude you're describing, the guy who buys cars and shit, that dude isn't having a hard time finding opportunity in this new market. At all. The loan to start something like this up is TEENY in comparison to a dispensary or buying land.

Back to you're example. ($1500 pounds *2) = 3K. Sell that shit in two days and we'll use ounces and go to a larger scale small timer. If he sells ounces at $240 a pop he sold $7680 dollar in material in that time. That's $4600 in profit!!!!!! In two days!!!!! YOu think this dude is having a hard time starting something right now?

What's amazing is you seem to think the people who push ounces outnumber the people who push 8ths. It's a pyramid man. The dudes who push ounces pushes to people who push 8ths. There are more people pushing 8ths to end users as their are people pushing ounces to people pushing 8ths. It's like this all the way up the chain. Both of these guys likely sell their shit in a week and do it for side cash and free weed.

The push as much as you can and get our fast guy better be tough as fuck too. lol

You're so out of touch regarding this it's hilarious.

What do you mean who cares that's the point lol

By DY_nasty Go To PostWhat do you mean who cares that's the point lol

You're gonna make 100K + a year renting a small spot and you're complaining you don't have the start up to go bigger at this point. Just stop.

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/01/04/us/politics/trump-sessions-russia-mcgahn.html?_r=1

All the "His lawyers are lying to him to keep him from fucking up worse" and "he shits on sessions because he can" joke rumors were true..........

You're still completely ignoring zoning laws too. You just prop up any warehouse for this kind of thing, you know that. Overhead costs, security, licensed workers, etc - that entire angle of "any one can start up" is out the window when you state how much actually goes into the typical investment for this.

5 grand ain't shit. And its definitely not the same kind of money that you stuff in the trunk hoping to start a small business with one day.

By Fenderputty Go To PostYou're gonna make 100K + a year renting a small spot and you're complaining you don't have the start up to go bigger at this point. Just stop.

You're still acting like this is just free money on the side and people aren't doing this shit to live off of or make ends meet lol.... not everyone is the jolly neighborhood weed man. if you're looking at this as nothing more than investment opportunities then you've got blinders on from the start.

Like you really think people are just sitting on piles of money after making a few rounds. Who the hell sells weed for a living on purpose?

I'm um kind of raising a brow at like this idea a bunch of folks are gonna just go legit. Takes more than just a pile of money.

Bro there’s literally websites titled 420weedrentals and shit lol

5k profit in 2-3 days is shit now? Lmfao

Stop

2 lbs. every two days? That's not realistic. That's absurd. And really, that's asking to get locked up unless you're talking about some remote backwoods ass town where everyone knows everyone.

For reference: I was selling roughly half a pound a month (copping QPs every 10-12 days) grossing nearly $35k a year.

Take that for what it's worth.

By Random Ass Username Go To PostI'm um kind of raising a brow at like this idea a bunch of folks are gonna just go legit. Takes more than just a pile of money.

A small black market will exist for the truly cheap. The majority of the public doesn’t want to deal with the shadiness though.

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By GQman2121 Go To Post2 lbs. every two days? That's not realistic. That's absurd. And really, that's asking to get locked up unless you're talking about some remote backwoods ass town where everyone knows everyone.

For reference: I was selling roughly half a pound a month (copping QPs every 10-12 days) grossing nearly $35k a year.

Take that for what it's worth.

Every few, I don't even think that's heavy lifting either...

By Fenderputty Go To PostBro there’s literally websites titled 420weedrentals and shit lol

5k profit in 2-3 days is shit now? Lmfao

Stop

5k over a few days is nothing lol. Especially if you're trying to actually just sustain yourself. You want to cover rent, a car, whatever else is on your plate - there's really not that much left of 5k but hey maybe I'm weird. Take your bag to homecoming or a concert, work your ass off it, and be done with it. The people who always try and treat this like steady income are the minority.

There's this weird massive grey area you got where there's the people like to skate on the weird 6 plant thing, the people who are treating this like coffee shops, and the guys who have the money to actually buy the land to take shit seriously. And yeah, they were taking shit seriously years ago.

I'm still not getting how you're seeing people just hop into this market like the ones who have bought land and made those moves aren't simply waiting to do laps around everyone else.

Because I almost hopped in? Because I know people that did? 100k a year growing pot in a small warehouse is a good deal

5k in 2-3 days in profit is 500k a year man

By Fenderputty Go To PostBecause I almost hopped in? Because I know people that did? 100k a year growing pot in a small warehouse is a good deal

5k in 2-3 days in profit is 500k a year man

that's not sustained income though, and its not 'capital' either

its not like you can just take a fat wad of cash down to the bank and set up a savings account then move on to bigger and better things

You’re describing a smash and grab scenario and I think most people don’t operate like that /shrug