By TheHunter Go To Post
They are so so so so so so very fucked.
So tweeting about nuclear war is a form of stress relief him.
By Fenderputty Go To PostSo tweeting about nuclear war is a form of stress relief him.
To be fair he and his family are in the bunker...... it just liberal California that's going to be radiated.....
By Perfect Blue Go To Post
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I wanted a SMT game to take place in America but not like this smmfh
What would actually happen if there grew to be a real feeling in Washington that Trump has well and truly lost the plot, and was imminently going to try and launch a nuke?
Does anybody in the public know the mechanics of how many failsafes there are to protect everyone from something like that? I presume there's a panel of Senators, Generals etc who'd have to agree to it if the US were to be the aggressors and fire first if you know what I mean, but I've got no idea how it works.
In the UK I think a vote of no confidence would oust a PM in this situation, and I believe there's a similar system in the US (not sure if it counts as impeachment) but I don't know how quickly things work.
Does anybody in the public know the mechanics of how many failsafes there are to protect everyone from something like that? I presume there's a panel of Senators, Generals etc who'd have to agree to it if the US were to be the aggressors and fire first if you know what I mean, but I've got no idea how it works.
In the UK I think a vote of no confidence would oust a PM in this situation, and I believe there's a similar system in the US (not sure if it counts as impeachment) but I don't know how quickly things work.
By Hitch Go To PostWhat would actually happen if there grew to be a real feeling in Washington that Trump has well and truly lost the plot, and was imminently going to try and launch a nuke?IIRC, if the PotUS wants to send nukes, no one can stop him in the moment. They can advise against it all they like, but I don't believe anyone can actually stop him if it is something he is deadset on doing.
Does anybody in the public know the mechanics of how many failsafes there are to protect everyone from something like that? I presume there's a panel of Senators, Generals etc who'd have to agree to it if the US were to be the aggressors and fire first if you know what I mean, but I've got no idea how it works.
In the UK I think a vote of no confidence would oust a PM in this situation, and I believe there's a similar system in the US (not sure if it counts as impeachment) but I don't know how quickly things work.
Someone please, please, please correct me if I'm wrong.
By grapeapes Go To Post
Makes me wonder if Bannon immediately told the FBI avout that meetinf to shield himself. High level Trump folks flipped on POTUS awhile ago.
Side note: Kylo Ren is bringing peace to the middle east. Let the past die. Kill it if you have too
Kushner as Kylo is fucking PERFECT
Hopefully he (TLJ spoilers) chops ol' creepy bathrobe electric copper eyebrows Supreme Leader Trump in half on the way to prison too
Hopefully he (TLJ spoilers) chops ol' creepy bathrobe electric copper eyebrows Supreme Leader Trump in half on the way to prison too
Aight, so I'm wrong about the nuke thing: https://www.pbs.org/newshour/show/heres-goes-presidents-decision-launch-nuclear-weapons
It appears to me that if there is an immediate danger the PotUS has to respond to within a very short time window (interview says ~30 minutes) and nukes are a valid option, then he can order nukes and no one can really stop him. However, if he is wanting to launch 'em on a whim or in anger or something stupid, then a chain of command is alerted and they have the ability to walk back those orders.
I think.
[…]
But what critics worry about, and when you hear them talking about particularly what I call the bar man scenario, when you’re talking to folks over a drink at a bar, to say, what if the president wakes up in the middle of the night, gets angry, gets in a tweet storm, and then tries to launch a nuclear weapon — the system is not designed to respond quickly in that case. He would issue the order, but as he is issuing the order, he would also be alerting the chain of command that he’s just come up with this crazy decision. And that chain of command, while not legally required and while not technically required to agree with the president, in practice, the chain of command would have ample opportunity to walk that decision back.
If the president is banging on the table in anger with no provocation, I don’t think the system would respond the way the critics worry about. If the president reaches the decision after conferring with his advisers and then makes the decision, then the system will carry out the order.
So, is General Clapper right to be worried is my question? And how much concern is there in the nuclear expert community about this?
Well, there is a division of opinion, and some of the experts point out that the system would be safer if we added a two-man rule at the top. Not sure that would be constitutional. Or if we added more technical limitations that would require more sub-elements of the chain of command to be consulted, technically require them to be consulted. I think that would be — reforms that would be worth considering.
But the idea that the president could wake up without any preparation of the national security team and then order a launch, just bang on the table, accidentally hit the button and send the missiles flying, that I don’t think is a reasonable worry.
I believe what General Clapper was talking about was that middle scenario, the president has only 30 minutes to decide, the system will carry out his decision in that moment, and I think General Clapper was asking questions about how good a decision would the president make under those conditions.
[…]
It appears to me that if there is an immediate danger the PotUS has to respond to within a very short time window (interview says ~30 minutes) and nukes are a valid option, then he can order nukes and no one can really stop him. However, if he is wanting to launch 'em on a whim or in anger or something stupid, then a chain of command is alerted and they have the ability to walk back those orders.
I think.
I’m just giddy this morning waking up to Bannon calling Trumps meaning treasonous. Combined with the news a day or so ago about the Russia’s investigation not starting with the dossier but rather the dossier corroborated leaks from others including witching his campaign. What if Bannon was flipped the entire time
By Fenderputty Go To PostI’m just giddy this morning waking up to Bannon calling Trumps meaning treasonous. Combined with the news a day or so ago about the Russia’s investigation not starting with the dossier but rather the dossier corroborated leaks from others including witching his campaign. What if Bannon was flipped the entire time
was waiting for it to pop up on conservative sites--it's on the dailywire now
edit:
https://www.dailywire.com/news/25327/war-bannon-goes-war-trump-calls-trump-russia-ben-shapiro
2nd edit: Now on brietbart
http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2018/01/03/book-steve-bannon-calls-kushner-manafort-don-jr-trump-tower-meeting-russians-treasonous/
Shapiro's take is hilarious in that I guess nobody sans Trump is of any value whatsoever to anything. Looking forward to his article where he claims Don Jr. has zero relevance to anything.
Conservatives really are going to wait all the way until this dude goes down to finally jump ship and by then we'll have mountains of receipts for their fukkery
That is absolutely fiction. Donald Trump's been railing against Boehner years before he announced his run.
By HasphatsAnts Go To PostThat is absolutely fiction. Donald Trump's been railing against Boehner years before he announced his run.
He watches and regurgitates FOX talking points. He may not commit them to memory lol
By HasphatsAnts Go To PostThat is absolutely fiction. Donald Trump's been railing against Boehner years before he announced his run.
Just like he disnt know who Davis Duke was....anyway, I think it was more of a, fuck that guy he is dead to me, response.
Trump team going after Bannon now
He's doing the "Steve is just my second cousins neighbor I thought I would help out and wasn't very involved" lmao.
It's too bad we can't literally watch Trump and Bannon box right now.
It's too bad we can't literally watch Trump and Bannon box right now.
By DY_nasty Go To Postim loving this tbh
You sort of just have to at this point. We're only 1 year in. Imagine the book that comes out in 2019 from someone else he fired lol
By DY_nasty Go To Postwell as in i love the fact that bannon is popping better shit than a lot of the leftyou just had to ruin it for fendy
By DY_nasty Go To Postwell as in i love the fact that bannon is popping better shit than a lot of the left
By DY_nasty Go To Postwell as in i love the fact that bannon is popping better shit than a lot of the left
Besides the fact that an ex campaign manager has more to work with ... Meh ... it hurts when it's a ton more when it's one of your own. Dems have been saying the same things for ages regarding being treasonous. We're not part of the conservabubble though. Bannon saying this is causing all kinds of drama on the right and it's fucking Hilarious.
DY's pessimism now feeds me rather than brings me dow!
By Fenderputty Go To PostBesides the fact that an ex campaign manager has more to work with … Meh … it hurts when it's a ton more when it's one of your own. Dems have been saying the same things for ages regarding being treasonous. We're not part of the conservabubble though. Bannon saying this is causing all kinds of drama on the right and it's fucking Hilarious.Why do you always take the bait lmao
DY's pessimism now feeds me rather than brings me dow!
By reilo Go To PostWhy do you always take the bait lmao
What the fuck else do I have? Lol
I can only post so much stories and Twitter links in a day!
Ryan retires next year and Bannon somehow becomes speaker of the House. (There's no rule saying they have to be members of congress even though they all are)
By obijkenobi Go To PostJust like he disnt know who Davis Duke was….anyway, I think it was more of a, fuck that guy he is dead to me, response.
Trump team going after Bannon now
my god
What a start to 2018.
By the way ... in case anyone missed yesterday's Fusion GPS news that The Hunter posted:
https://www.nytimes.com/2018/01/02/opinion/republicans-investigation-fusion-gps.html?smid=tw-nytopinion&smtyp=cur
The last sentence here was why I was kinda laughing at Bannon squawking lol
I mean the whole article is crazy
https://www.nytimes.com/2018/01/02/opinion/republicans-investigation-fusion-gps.html?smid=tw-nytopinion&smtyp=cur
We are happy to correct the record. In fact, we already have.
Three congressional committees have heard over 21 hours of testimony from our firm, Fusion GPS. In those sessions, we toppled the far right’s conspiracy theories and explained how The Washington Free Beacon and the Clinton campaign — the Republican and Democratic funders of our Trump research — separately came to hire us in the first place.
We walked investigators through our yearlong effort to decipher Mr. Trump’s complex business past, of which the Steele dossier is but one chapter. And we handed over our relevant bank records — while drawing the line at a fishing expedition for the records of companies we work for that have nothing to do with the Trump case.
Republicans have refused to release full transcripts of our firm’s testimony, even as they selectively leak details to media outlets on the far right. It’s time to share what our company told investigators.
We don’t believe the Steele dossier was the trigger for the F.B.I.’s investigation into Russian meddling. As we told the Senate Judiciary Committee in August, our sources said the dossier was taken so seriously because it corroborated reports the bureau had received from other sources, including one inside the Trump camp.
The last sentence here was why I was kinda laughing at Bannon squawking lol
I mean the whole article is crazy
We suggested investigators look into the bank records of Deutsche Bank and others that were funding Mr. Trump’s businesses. Congress appears uninterested in that tip: Reportedly, ours are the only bank records the House Intelligence Committee has subpoenaed.
We told Congress that from Manhattan to Sunny Isles Beach, Fla., and from Toronto to Panama, we found widespread evidence that Mr. Trump and his organization had worked with a wide array of dubious Russians in arrangements that often raised questions about money laundering. Likewise, those deals don’t seem to interest Congress.
We explained how, from our past journalistic work in Europe, we were deeply familiar with the political operative Paul Manafort’s coziness with Moscow and his financial ties to Russian oligarchs close to Vladimir Putin.
Finally, we debunked the biggest canard being pushed by the president’s men — the notion that we somehow knew of the June 9, 2016, meeting in Trump Tower between some Russians and the Trump brain trust. We first learned of that meeting from news reports last year — and the committees know it. They also know that these Russians were unaware of the former British intelligence officer Christopher Steele’s work for us and were not sources for his reports.
By TheHunter Go To Postpretty much