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And yeah, I'll stick by what I said, what Phaze wrote was sexist and I feel no shame for calling that out, the same way I would call out racism (and I hope everyone would without being called an ideologue or whatever other insult you threw in there); and to say "the desire to have kids is an evolutionary advantage" is reactionary, it's terrible anthropology and biology, blind to the ways in which life reproduces itself, even without sex sometimes. confusing sexual desire with wanting progeny, etc. It is a suggestion that in the end, humanity (or life) has been threatened by a deviation from that "gene", when it never has (evolution is historical, so please piece together the history of the evolutionary advantage that is the innate desire to have kids). There is no evidence that the "innate" desire to want kids has at one point preserved life against a given environment.

Literally saw dudes come to work, stand in front of the front door, say fuck it and call out.

I want to do that every day.

Edit: wait am I in the wrong thread

yall have literally had a convo mix of psychology and sociology for the better part of half a day on some real deep shit wtf

I don't think any of us are wrist deep in baby poop unlike someone.

;p

By db Go To PostI don't think any of us are wrist deep in baby poop unlike someone.

;p

To be frank, metaphorically...

I'm in prime "you gonna have kids yet" age and everyone else around me has them or is planning to. I'm just stuck in "why would I do that."

By db Go To PostI'm in prime "you gonna have kids yet" age and everyone else around me has them or is planning to. I'm just stuck in "why would I do that."

That shit ain't natural, man. God didn't mean to make you like that. Repent, make the right choice, come to terms with your true natural self.

Dude, no one's questioning your intelligence. I'm questioning you being a dick and a condescending ass hat.

As for ad hominem, you called someone sexist and another person a homophobe. Yea I'm calling you out, but you acting as if you don't insult people through meaningless exaggerations and ad hominem attacks is rich as fuck! Especially because the dude was defending another guy you condescendingly attacked for wanting to leave a legacy and instead of you realizing "I should stop personally insulting everyone on this tread" you called him a homophobe and a conservative.

Your go to response is "you're not understanding or reading me right" when in fact I'm usually quoting your self-righteous ass and you just don't comprehend or forget the things you say.


And no, you don't need to know my bio to stop beings a condescending asshat. Shit man, even the way you phrased that request wasn't genuine interest, you just wanted to compare dick sizes and see whether I have the right to question you or your theories. Suffice it to say I'm 30, with the woman i'm going to marry, and have had multiple "3 months flings". I'm a liberal but not as disdainful towards everything that you view as outdated as you are.

So, for the last time, I'm not attacking your theories or your grasp of Darwinism. They're actually not at debate here. I'm just calling you out on your condescending ass attitude.

Tone it down. Tinder users aren't all egomaniacs, Phaze isn't a sexist, the other dude isn't a homophobe.

If we let you rant for 15 minutes you'd probably condescendingly attack 90% of the world and Then scream "ad hominem" when someone called u out on it.

I don't even want to get in between you two (I guess I am) but Vahagn, "I'm questioning you being a dick and a condescending ass hat." really?

Half the posts I read from you are you attacking other people...

Vahagn, stop. Nobody here thought Gaby was being a "condescending asshat" besides you. Even the poster he was having a debate with didn't call him out like that. You have a habit of reading what you want to read and jumping at other people for whatever reason and then proceeding to shit post. Stop already. Debate the subject at hand and stop going at the people making the posts.

By ph33nix Go To PostI don't even want to get in between you two (I guess I am) but Vahagn, "I'm questioning you being a dick and a condescending ass hat." really?

Half the posts I read from you are you attacking other people…

99% of my stuff is in the basketball thread, and at best I crack jokes about the analytics community.

That's not on the level of calling someone a sexist, another person a homophobe, and insulting anther person's motivations for having children.

Let's leave real life as separate from bball thread throlling. Since that's 90% of the posts made towards me in the bball thread. Including many from you.

By reilo Go To PostVahagn, stop. Nobody here thought Gaby was being a "condescending asshat" besides you. Even the poster he was having a debate with didn't call him out like that. You have a habit of reading what you want to read and jumping at other people for whatever reason and then proceeding to shit post. Stop already. Debate the subject at hand and stop going at the people making the posts.

This would be fine, if in literally every exchange with me and another individual, you didn't tell me to stop.

Dude insulted like 4 people on one page about serious shit, and you're telling me to stop. What??

If I said to Phaze or him what Gaby said, you would be giving me warnings by now.

He didn't call the person any of those things, he (might have) called the argument that. You really need to learn to differentiate the two and stop going after posters. I've seen you do it time and again.

You're doing too much Crossfire, and not enough NPR right now.

But it is all the time you hear "it is counter-natural not to want kids". All the fucking time. Here in this discussion included, with the desire to have children said to be genetic coding… an idea which is quite homophobic, if you take the time to think about it.

By Gabyskra Go To Post"female"
"modern day don draper"
"just putting paper on the table"

Is the way you write the way it is just because you don't expect women to read you here and you can be brutally honest with your 1950s brand of sexism?

Don Draper is attractive because of his jaw line and hours spent with a wardrobe department, not because he's an alcoholic and an asshole. You're misplacing your ideals, what you're saying here is a mere variation of a fedora nerd.

Way to not attack Phaze there

I mean, Don Draper is an alcoholic cheating scumbag that treats every woman in his life like shit. Phaze earned that one.

Have you never seen the show? Don Draper is not a male ideal to strive to. Or is there some redeeming quality about Don Draper besides his good looks and status among his peers that actually makes him a good person, father and husband? Because the show sure as shit didn't show it.

By Vahagn Go To PostLet's leave real life as separate from bball thread throlling. Since that's 90% of the posts made towards me in the bball thread. Including many from you.

Yeah well, when you go out of your way to say "IWMTB is wrong, I'm so right" as many times as you have, it rubs people the wrong way. But if that's what you call joking around then whatever.

And I would really like to know the last time I trolled you...
Or hell, I don't even mind playful trolling. But your posts are filled with a lot of vitriol towards others. Perhaps I haven't been around recently long enough, but just act towards others how you would want to be acted to, even if it may irritate your nerves from time to time. Just my two cents.

-EDIT-
I constructed my post like shit. All I'm basically saying is if you perceive others to be condescending and asshole-ish, the solution isn't to throw the fire right back at them, but that's just my opinion, I don't want to tell you how to act. But don't be surprised if people continue to go at you in a way that you don't like.

By reilo Go To PostI mean, Don Draper is an alcoholic cheating scumbag that treats every woman in his life like shit. Phaze earned that one.

Have you never seen the show? Don Draper is not a male ideal to strive to.

Of course i have - all 7 seasons. And yes, he's not, that's (one of the) points of the show's later seasons for sure.

But while I disagree with Phaze and Eloquent, I wouldn't call them sexists and homophobes.

And no, that wasn't Eloquent's idea. That was Gaby's disdain for what he views as conservatism using that idea to preach homophobic values and then creating a straw man to attack Eloquent with.


All Eloquent said, initially, was that you shouldn't talk shit about a guy for wanting to leave a legacy if reproduction is a societal/genetic/evolutionary impulse.

But this is neither here nor there. I thought Gaby was being a jackass and condescending about people's decisions and ideas about family and I called him out on it. No one was being a sexist and no one was being a homophobe.

You can say, as Gaby did and I certainly would, that Phaze is misplacing his ideals here and that Don Draper isn't someone worth aspiring to, without all that other shit.

Again, he called those ideas and ideals being rooted in homophobic and sexist agenda, which, historically is accurate. I know you know this. Eloquent's and Phaze's desires might not come from a bad place, nor did Gaby explicitly state that they were any of those, but discussing and educating how those ideas and ideals have been long rooted in a series of homophobic and sexists privileged class is surely worth discussing. Preferably for another topic all together.

My problem with you is that you get fixated on a single user for whatever reason and continually go after them. Like with IWMTB before (which I called you out on), and now with Gaby, you really need to stop attacking the user and start addressing the posts.

Let the mods and admins take care of the rest.

By reilo Go To PostAgain, he called those ideas and ideals being rooted in homophobic and sexist agenda, which, historically is accurate. I know you know this. Eloquent's and Phaze's desires might not come from a bad place, nor did Gaby explicitly state that they were any of those, but discussing and educating how those ideas and ideals have been long rooted in a series of homophobic and sexists privileged class is surely worth discussing. Preferably for another topic all together.

My problem with you is that you get fixated on a single user for whatever reason and continually go after them. Like with IWMTB before (which I called you out on), and now with Gaby, you really need to stop attacking the user and start addressing the posts.

Let the mods and admins take care of the rest.

IWMTB was going back at me too, so is Gaby, it wasn't solely one directional.

And no, Gaby's problem isn't that he's improperly educating people on ideas and their history, Gaby's problem is that he takes any idea, no matter how remotely tied to conservatism it can be, and attacks both it, and the user, when its brought up.

everyone here, and in the relationship thread, is trying to figure out things about life and about relationships. Gaby just lectures people and tells them why their ideas aren't liberal enough and straight tells people that their reasons for wanting a kid are bad. I mean, the fuck? Be supportive with people when they're opening up about personal shit and try to put yourself in their shoes. That's ALL eloquent was doing, he was coming to Phaze's defense.

I mean Phaze is one of the best trollers we have on this site, but Gaby isn't trolling, he's essentially named himself chief wise man and lecturing people on why their understandings of relationships and life are all wrong.

I mean, I suggested that healthy long term happy marriages are awesome (because my parents and my cousins parents had one) and Gaby started to lecture to me that all relationships are oppressive and all relationships in the past were oppressive to women. Not some, not most, ALL.

Maybe it's just me, but basketball or a politics thread where 95% of the people share the same broad ideology aren't the same as relationship or life threads where people are opening up about themselves.

And maybe I'm not the guy to tell him to tone it down, but no one else is.

Drop the high brow intellectualism, at least in the threads where people are opening up about themselves and understand you're in the far left. Most people you meet will occupy a space more to the right of you, that's not a reason to tear them down and attack their character or their ideas incessantly

As far as the mod staff is concerned, you're the only one that needs to tone it down.

And IWMBT had you on ignore for months and you still went at him. That speaks volumes.

By reilo Go To PostAs far as the mod staff is concerned, you're the only one that needs to tone it down.

And IWMBT had you on ignore for months and you still went at him. That speaks volumes.

Dude whatever. He went at me plenty and I've had thekad on block and he still goes at me.

And I've never gone at IWMTB outside of a basketball discussion. Never trolled him on this thread or in the politics one or in the relationship one.

But the guy who invented the vaggy moniker and was gleeful as fuck about it is going to be objective and impartial on the issue, right.

Yep, I am.

By Vahagn Go To PostDude whatever. He went at me plenty and I've had thekad on block and he still goes at me.

And I've never gone at IWMTB outside of a basketball discussion. Never trolled him on this thread or in the politics one or in the relationship one.

But the guy who invented the vaggy moniker and was gleeful as fuck about it is going to be objective and impartial on the issue, right.

Nobody's called you Vag since you made it clear that you weren't okay with it. reilo doesn't even call you that in private chat. Why keep bringing it up?

By Sharp Go To PostNobody's called you Vag since you made it clear that you weren't okay with it. reilo doesn't even call you that in private chat. Why keep bringing it up?

As a sign that dudes feigning impartiality?

When every back and forth involving me and literally anyone else results in Reilo going, essentially, "dammit vaggy stop" - it's clear cut the dudes not objective. Just annoyed or whatever at me, and shutting shit down.

All Gaby does is condescendingly attack people's sincerely held beliefs about real life shit (and them) and I call him out on it and get called out cuz years ago I went back and forth with IWMTB.

I'm sure Reilo's told thekad to stop every time he called me stupid in the basketball thread, oh wait. That's literally never happened.

Edit: I want Gaby to stop because it's innaproriate in this kind of thread. To attack Phaze and then Eloquent and then twist his point into something like this

By Gabyskra Go To PostThat shit ain't natural, man. God didn't mean to make you like that. Repent, make the right choice, come to terms with your true natural self.

Is bullshit and should be called out. But from now on I'll just quote his shit and put a period instead of going at him hard, it's very possible he has no idea what he's doing.

I've had the rest of the mod staff flat out stop me from banning thekad several times, so you really don't know wtf you're talking about.

By Vahagn Go To PostAs a sign that dudes feigning impartiality?

When every back and forth involving me and literally anyone else results in Reilo going, essentially, "dammit vaggy stop" - it's clear cut the dudes not objective. Just annoyed or whatever at me, and shutting shit down.

All Gaby does is condescendingly attack people's sincerely held beliefs about real life shit (and them) and I call him out on it and get called out cuz years ago I went back and forth with IWMTB.

I'm sure Reilo's told thekad to stop every time he called me stupid in the basketball thread, oh wait. That's literally never happened.

Dude. Nobody knew you weren't okay with that nickname until you said something. I seriously never considered you might have a problem with it. And the rest of your post has literally nothing to do with that. I didn't bring up Gaby, I didn't bring up IWMTB, I didn't bring up thekad, I didn't bring up reilo's objectivity or lack thereof. Why do you expect people to forgive you for past mistakes, if you won't do the same for others?

By Sharp Go To PostDude. Nobody knew you weren't okay with that nickname until you said something. I seriously never considered you might have a problem with it. And the rest of your post has literally nothing to do with that. I didn't bring up Gaby, I didn't bring up IWMTB, I didn't bring up thekad, I didn't bring up reilo's objectivity or lack thereof. Why do you expect people to forgive you for past mistakes, if you won't do the same for others?

You asked me why I brought it up, I said as a sign that he's feigning impartiality not because I hate him or some shit.

As for forgiveness, I still contribute to this community despite being treated like a pariah by most regulars going back to the Gaf days. There's practically no one on here that didn't use that moniker, or question my intelligence, or some other over the top insult Since I've been here.

That being said, I'm cool with everyone on here, the only person I've blocked is thekad because, well, after years and years of nonstop shit talking I got tired of it.

Gaby's just a new breed of condescending poster that takes shit far beyond ribbing and trolling.

Children?

L

By ViewtifulJC Go To PostChildren?

L

Chi(L)dren

well that's that

I'd like to make ppl aware of slaent's awesome ignore function btw huehuehue

anyways, i'm dropping some classes later on this week. i need my time back.

Started working at a new center. Little girl asks if I have a wife. I say no and she goes "well you need one! Don't you want kids???"

Got the "think of the children" from a 9 yo. Gaby and db were right.

By Trey Go To PostStarted working at a new center. Little girl asks if I have a wife. I say no and she goes "well you need one! Don't you want kids???"

Got the "think of the children" from a 9 yo. Gaby and db were right.

center...9 yos

trey working at a day care center ya'll

About the short sarcastic post i wrote that starts with "that shit ain't natural man", I just feel like pointing out I don't have anyone in mind there when i make fun of an idea we've all heard too often.
Look Vahagn i understand i rub you the wrong way, myself i think you're not the kindest person either, how about we leave it at that? Do you ever read Dan Savage? Plenty of trolling in his prose regarding reactionary traditions, i would expect young people to be used to that style of talking about relationships, science and sexism...

By ViewtifulJC Go To Postcenter…9 yos

trey working at a day care center ya'll

lol... at least he got a job

When you realize just how much of life is people/society expecting things and bullshit milestones from you other than being a decent individual, it's pretty depressing. It can also be freeing too though, not holding yourself up to some arbitrary notions of what makes a "normal" person. There's nothing wrong with going with the societal flow but at least be honest about it and don't naturalistic fallacy all over the place.

By db Go To PostWhen you realize just how much of life is people/society expecting things and bullshit milestones from you other than being a decent individual, it's pretty depressing. It can also be freeing too though, not holding yourself up to some arbitrary notions of what makes a "normal" person. There's nothing wrong with going with the societal flow but at least be honest about it and don't naturalistic fallacy all over the place.

He was defending Phaze for wanting to leave a legacy (as defined by children) and you and Gaby jumped on him and Phaze for it.

I'm fine with you and Gaby suggesting there's nothing "natural" or correct about wanting to have children (which Elequont agreed with by calling it a selfish act) - I'm
Not fine with you poo poo-Ing societal norms as being unfair to those who don't ascribe to them right after being unfair to Phaze for viewing the value of children as a legacy different from you.

Essentially, don't complain that social norms suck and force people into a box and all that matters is being a decent person and then reject another person's opinion on why he wants children. Dude didn't say he wants little slaves running around. Wanting a legacy Isn't outside the norms of what rational people would call "decent"

So the recruiting squad i joined at work...first mixer is on thursday. Chair sent out a short notice email saying he needed 1 or 2 people to help out. Jumped on it. Its for 3 hrs or so. Students are advised to bring resumes and dress professionally.

Time to go get a fresh cut and hand out some dehumanizing you aint shit stares.

I worry about your insistence on taking fleeting philosophical thoughts and acting like they're all directed as a personal attack on another person.

By EloquentM Go To Postwhy don't you and him express your points with a little bit more finesse instead of being deliberately combative and defensive?

I'm not the only one that saw what was happening. You attacked dude 3 or 4 different times - it's just not a pattern for your behavior so I didn't call you out on it.

Challenging people on stances and their statements does not automatically mean I'm attacking the person. Did I ever insult him directly? No, but you seem to do so with plenty of people.

I got hostile because evopsych is just plain garbage.

By Vahagn Go To PostWanting a legacy Isn't outside the norms of what rational people would call "decent"

It's fine to question the norms.

By ViewtifulJC Go To Postcenter…9 yos

trey working at a day care center ya'll

Community center, we get all ages.

It's worse when you get the grown ass men who act like children.

By Trey Go To PostIt's worse when you get the grown ass men who act like children.

What do they even do? Hog the pool table or something?

By Gabyskra Go To PostIt's fine to question the norms.

Sure. But this isn't a thread on social theory. This is about life and stuff. A place where people talk about their life and what's happening, and other people talk with them.

This isn't a place to swing an intellectual dick and name drop authors to give yourself credibility in attempting to dismantle a person's worldview.

Whether Phaze, or mine, or anyone else's views on family perfectly coincide with your theory on the matter are irrelevant.

Go start a thread about social theory, don't condescendingly attack people, let's discuss ideas at length. Don't come in here telling people their desire to have a wife or kids are sexist and homophobic.

By db Go To PostWhat do they even do? Hog the pool table or something?

lol

I usually work in a community center in the projects, so

A fight is a normal day. Out of the semi reasonable stuff you run into, the funniest was when two dudes got into a fight over a basketball game when they were on the same team.

Does he ever stop?
Also, where the fuck did I say wanting kids was homophobic? Why are you wasting your and my time, vahagn? You can't possibly think I wrote that?

By Vahagn Go To PostDon't come in here telling people their desire to have a wife or kids are sexist and homophobic.

Or how's about you let us have a discussion without this reductionist garbage and going out of your way to purposefully misconstrue people's points?

By Vahagn Go To PostI'm not the only one that saw what was happening. You attacked dude 3 or 4 different times - it's just not a pattern for your behavior so I didn't call you out on it.

vahagn

get over yourself before you get rate limited like reirom. you want to disagree with someone, by all means do it. but if you want to take a petty approach and bark at them across separate threads, then you're going to force action by moderation.

Dy has become that which he hates.

Responsible.