Its not for lack of trying.
And if you want to look present day, China's running up in Africa's guts all over again.
And if you want to look present day, China's running up in Africa's guts all over again.
By Phoenix RISING Go To PostLong post but little to do with why Asia did not cross the Pacific to do what Europeans did wirh the Atlantic…if Asian civilizations were as ambitious as you reminisce, where are their global vassal states in the Americas, Africa, or Europe? Why do we thrive in an occidental occidental rather than oriental orientation?Guns, Germs and Steel answers a lot of this. Luck, location, etc. Plus the Chinese had a huge Navy one of their emperors basic took the torch too since he was isolationist. They were going places well before a lot of other empires.
By Apollo Go To PostThe pacific ocean is bigger, colder, and a lot more deadlier than the AtlanticAlso this, plenty of invasions of even asian islands were consistently thwarted by cyclones and tsunamis.
By Phoenix RISING Go To PostLong post but little to do with why Asia did not cross the Pacific to do what Europeans did wirh the Atlantic…if Asian civilizations were as ambitious as you reminisce, where are their global vassal states in the Americas, Africa, or Europe? Why do we thrive in an occidental occidental rather than oriental orientation?
You're asking questions that literally have entire historical disciplines dedicated to them.
But you'll probably find a reading of history's largest empires eye opening: of the 50 biggest, 38 of them were Asian. There were vast conquests across the Near East and Central Asia like the Timurid Empire that most people have never heard of. The Chinese empires were typically the size of Europe unto themselves, and as I mentioned in my past post, by the time of the Ming they had tribute states throughout Asia, the subcontinent, the Middle East and into Africa. For a sense of comparison, Rome at its apex ranks 24th on that list.
Here is the height of the Mongol Empire:
This is the height of Japan's colonial empire, which ruled the Pacific:
This is the Abassid Caliphate:
The Mughal Empire did not fuck around, did what the Americans and Russians could not in subjugating Afghanistan, and ruled across the subcontinent up to the Himalayas and west as far as Persia:
As for why Asian powers didn't cross the Pacific: they tried, but there was nothing out there they could reach. Various rulers sent exploratory missions seeking mythical Peng Lai and other destinations which never returned, or did not get far enough to find anything. And lacking the round Earth theory that drove Magellan's initial crossing, there was no political will to continually mount the considerable risk and expense. But the Chinese during the Ming Dynasty were avid explorers - Zheng He commanded ships nearly 5 times as large as Columbus' and sailed throughout Asia to Mecca and on to Mogadishu in Africa. Muslim rulers in the Middle East and South Asia were avidly expansionist throughout their history, and frequently had zero compunction about conversion by the sword, which allowed Islam to spread across the known world from Africa to the Philippines by the 1300s. But crossing the Pacific was largely impossible until the advent of 16th century naval technology, a period which coincided with eras of cultural isolation and closed nations in East Asia.
The occidental question has an answer that is longer than I have time to detail right now, but any image of Europe as an expansionist force at the top of world hegemony is based on very late developments. The bulk of Europe was a backwater throughout much of its history; the Ming held tens of thousands of volumes across their treasuries and libraries, while at the same time the largest library in England had 600 books. But Europe was geographically situated to take advantage of learning in the Muslim world after their theretofore expansionist polities stalled under the weight of cultural fundamentalism. The spread of efficient steel and discoveries in chemistry from the Middle East combined with rediscovery of classical learning gave rise to the number of rapid technological advancements which made colonialism possible.
The colonial projects emerged out of necessity from brutal competition and warfare within Europe itself brought about by gunpowder, improved arms and lines drawn by Martin Luther's schism. They were a conceptual outgrowth of the advent of the printing press allowing communication over large distances to become both common and detailed. This had the effect of both shrinking the world, bringing impossibly distant places into the mental realm of the near, while simultaneously fostering an explosive growth in learning which spread into multiple fields, perhaps most significantly economics, astronomy - and therefore naval navigation - as well as nascent manufacturing. And Western Europe's face to the Atlantic, far more navigable than the Pacific at only 60% the size, gave it a major geographical advantage that competing powers in the centre of Eurasia lacked; it's no accident that the largest European empires belonged to the oceanic coastal nations of Britain, Spain, Portugal and France.
This is getting way too long, but...
TL;DR lucky timing with the global technology curve combined with geographical advantage were the major determining factors in Europe coming out on top, not that everybody else in the world wasn't also out trying to conquer people because their divine powers said they could.
Make sure to turn in your Final by Monday so you can take the "What the fuck are you talking about, dude? Let me explain 201" class next semester.
lfk was playing destiny with me one time and went off on asian subways for like 10 minutes because they don't put enough condiments on his sandwiches
a true story that no one will ever believe now.
a true story that no one will ever believe now.
By DY_nasty Go To Postlfk was playing destiny with me one time and went off on asian subways for like 10 minutes because they don't put enough condiments on his sandwiches5 olives per sandwich... that's real
a true story that no one will ever believe now.
Japan is a weird point.. they tried to be like their UK counterparts but really only held most of the empire for like 5 years. When they took part of China and Taiwan they should have stopped there, the world would be really different today if they slowed their roll..
You're asking questions that literally have entire historical disciplines dedicated to them.
Once upon a time ago in another career, a professor on my dissertation committee said that the easy questions were not worth asking.
Thanks for your responses. I could read these forever. Literally have never heard of The Mughal Empire or the Abassid Caliphate in my life before. Even now, "Caliphate" is a word we're trying to wrap our heads around in the post 9/11 world. My understanding of Asian anything is very poor--a HS classmate who is a fucking NASA rocket scientist in Florida once visited up here (he was born in Detroit) and I invited him to dinner, and he swore Mongolia was not an actual country until I showed him on a globe. American understanding of the Far East is so bad that even the smartest of us still don't know jack.
The occidental question has an answer that is longer than I have time to detail right now, but any image of Europe as an expansionist force at the top of world hegemony is based on very late developments.
Indeed, which is why I said post-dark ages. I was well aware that Europe was a shitshow before Age of Discovery and all that, and unlike Asia, where yall have demonstrated that each kingdom had its own "divine destiny," Europe was more or less unified under the Catholic Church (or some derivative of Western Christianity), which is why those European countries you mention roll off the tongue as collectives even though we know they were individual nations.
Even if Asia was geographically prohibited from its ambition, that still does not explain why West Africa was not trying to conquer the transatlantic, or the natives of North and South America. (Even the way in which we describe them as tribes rather than civilizations strikes me as anachronistically condescending.)
That is, if we're trying to satisfy the position that any other race would be just as prejudiced as white people if they were the dominant power instead.
Points for (Eur)Asia though.
Do we ignore Egypt in the history of the world of an African nation that used slaves and believed themselves to have divine importance?
I'm just going to say it again, since we started farming we've needed expansion of resources/land and armies. And with civilization and staying put comes amassing wealth and the elitist shit that goes with it. Between shit population control and egos of the ruling class you're going to get imperialism and war. Imperialism and capitalism need permanent underclasses and exploitation. One of the easiest would be visual clues, that's why in Rome people were branded with various things since people were all kinds of skin tones. Prostitutes, slaves, etc. From the Celts up north to peoples from the east and Africa.
You're generally kidding yourself if you think this is limited to white people. Pre BC, pre dark ages, or whatever ruler you have has plenty of imperialism. This arbitrary goal post you set up about it not being the same if it's held within a certain regional border is fucking asinine.
You're generally kidding yourself if you think this is limited to white people. Pre BC, pre dark ages, or whatever ruler you have has plenty of imperialism. This arbitrary goal post you set up about it not being the same if it's held within a certain regional border is fucking asinine.
By Phoenix RISING Go To PostEven if Asia was geographically prohibited from its ambition, that still does not explain why West Africa was not trying to conquer the transatlantic, or the natives of North and South America. (Even the way in which we describe them as tribes rather than civilizations strikes me as anachronistically condescending.)What you're failing to understand is that the negro brain isn't capable comprehending or even acknowledging an economic opportunity when it presents itself. That explains why so many of you are poor with money even today.
That is, if we're trying to satisfy the position that any other race would be just as prejudiced as white people if they were the dominant power instead.
Points for (Eur)Asia though.
This racist shit seems to be what you want to believe for some reason. That's how absurd your previous posts come off.
I did enjoy at the end there how you gave points way though, as if to say thank you, yet, simultaneously declared yourself as the victor of a game show you're hosting and also the only one playing. That was cute.
The fact is is that every major civilization in the history of humanity have exploited other human beings for their own survival/gain in one way or another and justified it with the logic of their time. Slavery certainly predates the Pyramids and Christianity by at least a few centuries.
Now lets all return to our mobile devices which were absolutely not assembled by modern slaves.
If you're of predisposition to believe that conquer & exploit is the only imperative for a nation-state, then you probably do believe in the Dark Continent mythos, but don't put that on me because you can't think of any civilizations that would have been content to mind their own fucking business.
It is the guiding imperative if you've got a capitalist system and a growing population/elite. Where else would new resources and avenues of money come from? And a bunch of cultures that kept to themselves just got run over by those that didn't. See: Tibet. Even communist systems will have a hierarchy, despots and ideology that people (nations) need to be converted.
https://youtu.be/8XQOaUNXuQU?t=3985
What Andrew Shulz(white guy with hat) says here is kind of how I tend to feel about the Umar Johnson/Tariq Nasheed/"problack" types.
What Andrew Shulz(white guy with hat) says here is kind of how I tend to feel about the Umar Johnson/Tariq Nasheed/"problack" types.
By Ironfist Go To Postrecent page and half
Yo. You ain't got that PSN app on your phone?
By G Shumy Go To PostYo. You ain't got that PSN app on your phone?No apps
Just saw on PSN. Sorry was out at the time
By Ironfist Go To PostNo apps
Just saw on PSN. Sorry was out at the time
We on today. Like right now, if you're not too busy for us. 👀
By Sch1sm Go To PostWe on today. Like right now, if you're not too busy for us. 👀Never too busy for yall
Gonna have to break my recently fixed sleeping schedule if i am to catch you guys in the future
By gotemrunnin Go To PostShout out to all the jobs honoring MLK.
They made my ass come in today...Nobody here too...
By reilo Go To PostWhy the fuck would they put that in there for?Vine comps......Vine comps have changed.
By p s y Go To PostVine comps……Vine comps have changed.they've been steady reusing some stuff too these past couple of months
By DY_nasty Go To Postman psy you gotta let people know which wshh comps to skip. maggots in the mouth? no fam
not ever
Welp..never watching one of those again. 😐
Just found out Obama granted my cousin clemancy on his last day in office. He'd been locked up for 10 years (of a 20 year sentence) on a minor drug charge.
By masud Go To PostJust found out Obama granted my cousin clemancy on his last day in office. He'd been locked up for 10 years (of a 20 year sentence) on a minor drug charge.nic
By masud Go To PostJust found out Obama granted my cousin clemancy on his last day in office. He'd been locked up for 10 years (of a 20 year sentence) on a minor drug charge.
Nice! Obama was really working hard to free people the last few days!
By masud Go To PostJust found out Obama granted my cousin clemancy on his last day in office. He'd been locked up for 10 years (of a 20 year sentence) on a minor drug charge.Noice.
By masud Go To PostJust found out Obama granted my cousin clemancy on his last day in office. He'd been locked up for 10 years (of a 20 year sentence) on a minor drug charge.
Good to hear yo!
#thanksobama ;_;
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Im sorry
By masud Go To PostJust found out Obama granted my cousin clemancy on his last day in office. He'd been locked up for 10 years (of a 20 year sentence) on a minor drug charge.
Nice, congrats.
By masud Go To PostJust found out Obama granted my cousin clemancy on his last day in office. He'd been locked up for 10 years (of a 20 year sentence) on a minor drug charge.
Holy shit! That's awesome. Your family must be ecstatic..congrats to y'all. Talk about a "Thanks, Obama."
From the dragging of Stacey Dash to #AlternateFacts social media had me rolling all weekend. I was sitting at my desk at work today desperately trying to muffle my laughter and failing.
By blackace Go To Postyou weren't taking mock tests?
Naw,
In all honesty the time just flew by from october to december so I just kept putting off studying, then the test came up........;_;
By YungMagus Go To PostNaw,well...
In all honesty the time just flew by from october to december so I just kept putting off studying, then the test came up……..;_;
By Phoenix RISING Go To PostFrom the dragging of Stacey Dash to #AlternateFacts social media had me rolling all weekend. I was sitting at my desk at work today desperately trying to muffle my laughter and failing.
LOL
By CRUD Go To PostNot feeling new Star War title.
What's your disagreement with it? Too ambiguous?
By CRUD Go To PostRIP QJust found out. Jeez.