By Gabyskra Go To PostThen there's a missing link between Obiwan and her because the chronology only works for her to be Luke's kid otherwise. Kylo is 29, she's like 18, her family left when she was 5, means Kylo blew the pseudo-academy out when he was 16...
Why is everyone assuming that Rey was at the academy during its destruction???
By Shanks D Kowak Go To PostWhy is everyone assuming that Rey was at the academy during its destruction???I'm not, but she was abandoned when she was 5... If that event is the same as the school's end, then the math is right...
BTW, I really question Luke's story though. He was the strongest Jedi, how could he not stop the "Knights of Ren"?
By Gabyskra Go To PostI'm not, but she was abandoned when she was 5... If that event is the same as the school's end, then the math is right...I don't think it is a question of not being able to stop them, but how could he kill his own nephew, someone he trained.
BTW, I really question Luke's story though. He was the strongest Jedi, how could he not stop the "Knights of Ren"?
One of my big gripes of the film is how the two biggest heros in the galaxy turn out to be little selfish bitches. Luke runs away once Ben turns into Kylo and Han becomes a selfish prick again. They are almost completely different characters from the OT. Luke went straight to Vader to comfront him once he knew he was his dad to a someone who went into hiding, Han completely changed and went from being an anti-hero to a full on hero who was in love to someone who ran the first chance he got.
By Shanks D Kowak Go To PostI don't think it is a question of not being able to stop them, but how could he kill his own nephew, someone he trained.
One of my big gripes of the film is how the two biggest heros in the galaxy turn out to be little selfish bitches. Luke runs away once Ben turns into Kylo and Han becomes a selfish prick again. They are almost completely different characters from the OT. Luke went straight to Vader to comfront him once he knew he was his dad to a someone who went into hiding, Han completely changed and went from being an anti-hero to a full on hero who was in love to someone who ran the first chance he got.
I have zero issue with Han leaving Leia. People are not just forever good or forever bad. Fathers are plenty shitty, and Han Solo giving up on something is fine by me as a plot point.
By Gabyskra Go To PostI have zero issue with Han leaving Leia. People are not just forever good or forever bad. Fathers are plenty shitty, and Han Solo giving up on something is fine by me as a plot point.
It just destroys his character development from the original films
I liked it, with some pretty major reservations. I think it has issues with story and pacing, but all the new characters are awesome, it has the humanity, the personality and the detailing that was all missing from the prequels. It sets up beautifully a second film that wll hopefully forego all the fan service that had to be done here. It's certainly the best star wars since Empire, but it plays it VERY safe.
By Gabyskra Go To PostI'm not, but she was abandoned when she was 5... If that event is the same as the school's end, then the math is right...
BTW, I really question Luke's story though. He was the strongest Jedi, how could he not stop the "Knights of Ren"?
I'm willing to bet he wasn't there. Probably on a mission. His wife (Rey's mother) wasn't strong enough to protect them. I bet he also had his connection to the force damped or cut off. There was a scene film of him waking up in a temple filmed.
Thinking about going to see it a third time today. Despite finding it highly flawed, I absolutely love it.
Just got back from the movie. Fucking hated it. Hated nearly everything, except action sequences. The performances were garbage, the plot was garbage and completely unoriginal, and JJ Abrams did his usual shitty job of directing. I regret seeing the movie. I say this as someone who doesn't really care about the franchise one way or the other.
I did however hate the scene when Han dies. it was really weak to me. Like As soon as he was on the bridge I knew what was up. No surprise. Fuck bridges man. Also the ending felt really rushed. The best part of the film was the first 45 min or so.
Avatar is a better film. Star Wars does not do it for me anymore I don't think .
Avatar is a better film. Star Wars does not do it for me anymore I don't think .
By CRUD Go To PostAvatar is a better film. Star Wars does not do it for me anymore I don't think .
I respected your opinion up to this part. I'd take a rehash of ANH over a weird chimera of Furngully and Pocahontas any day.
By CRUD Go To PostAvatar is a better film. Star Wars does not do it for me anymore I don't think .
please leave.
By darth n8er Go To PostIt was weak because you knew what was coming?It was weak, n8m8.
Not because he / we knew it was coming, but because the emotional buildup needed to make it work simply wasn't there.
Solo has a son now? And he's kind of an estraged asshole and a Darth Vader wannabe? Uh, okay.
Solo and Leia discuss it briefly, they meet, Solo dies.
And I'm supposed to care, because ... ? Because he's Han Solo, galactic rascal, loved by all?
Please.
The scene packed no emotional punch whatsoever. Unless you're a SW fanatic, who talks to imaginary SW characters on a daily basis.
Just acknowledge it, you know I'm right.
EDIT: Though I guess I did feel a little sorry for Chewbacca.
I don't really think any of the things you said precludes it from having an effect. Just means you didn't care.
I think it was handled poorly overall. From execution and down to the back and forth. The set up made it a bit too obvious, yeah, these kinda moments serve better as gut punches I feel, I dunno.
I actually enjoyed it quite a bit. Really obvious, phoned it and a bit too pacy, but overall I felt it was a quality experience. I took my brother along to watch it, who hasn't really seen much of star wars in his life. He kept losing his shit everytime chewie opened his mouth.
One thing i like is how Crayola Wrench is initially shown as this big bad, unfeeling cunt of a sith, only for the layers to peel away. The end game of him stomping around, pounding his chest, doing a show of intimidation that weak people do to try and scare off real threats. Loved that
One thing i like is how Crayola Wrench is initially shown as this big bad, unfeeling cunt of a sith, only for the layers to peel away. The end game of him stomping around, pounding his chest, doing a show of intimidation that weak people do to try and scare off real threats. Loved that
Now that I think of it.
If Lucas made this movie there would not be so much rehashing I believe. He would of made a completely different film.
If Lucas made this movie there would not be so much rehashing I believe. He would of made a completely different film.
By CRUD Go To PostNow that I think of it.Lucas wanted to use kids like Harry Potter in space.
If Lucas made this movie there would not be so much rehashing I believe. He would of made a completely different film.
By CRUD Go To PostNow that I think of it.
If Lucas made this movie there would not be so much rehashing I believe. He would of made a completely different film.
And it probably would have been shit.
By darth n8er Go To PostAnd it probably would have been shit.
By darth n8er Go To PostAnd it probably would have been shit.
I dunno.. I think he would of figured it out. I don't think he would repeat the same mistakes he did in the prequels. People change.
This movie didn't have to come out this year to be honest. It needed more time.
We know for a fact that Michael Arndt wrote a script for this movie based on an outline Lucas wrote, and they threw it out and Abrams got Kasdan involved to write a new script. Which tells me that the Lucas outline was probably shit.
By CRUD Go To PostI dunno.. I think he would of figured it out. I don't think he would repeat the same mistakes he did in the prequels. People change.
I mean, he not only made basically the same directorial mistakes three times, he has also worked on other movies since (notably, Indiana Jones 4 and Red Tails) that also sucked. At this point, expecting different from him is pretty naive.
Also, I'd buy the argument more if he actually acknowledged that the prequels weren't up to standard and that he made mistakes, so expecting him to fix/change something if he doesn't even believe he did anything wrong is a hard sell.
By CRUD Go To PostHe knows the prequels were bad deep down inside.Based on his reaction in that great behind-the-scenes documentary on Episode I, he pretty clearly knows that Episode I was bad.
I wish they had made similar docs for Eps II and III. That doc on Ep I was surprisingly candid.
By CRUD Go To PostHe knows the prequels were bad deep down inside.
LUCAS: I never thought I’d do the Star Wars prequels, because there was no real way I could get Yoda to fight. There was no way I could go over Coruscant, this giant city-planet. But once you had digital, there was no end to what you could do.
BAY: After Pearl Harbor, George Lucas wrote me a note saying we’d raised the bar at ILM.Dude loves his CG.
By reilo Go To PostWe know for a fact that Michael Arndt wrote a script for this movie based on an outline Lucas wrote, and they threw it out and Abrams got Kasdan involved to write a new script. Which tells me that the Lucas outline was probably shit.or Lucas knew he was on the way out and made the movie script a interracial porno
By Prototype Viktor Go To Postor Lucas knew he was on the way out and made the movie script a interracial pornoWell, nobody forced him out of Star Wars, right? It's not like anyone else held the keys to them until he sold the franchise for $4bil to Disney.
When fanboys wailed, Lucas did not just hear the scream of young Jedis; he heard something like the voice of the studio. The dumb, uncomprehending voice in his Socratic dialogues — a voice telling him how to make a blockbuster. “On the Internet, all those same guys that are complaining I made a change are completely changing the movie,” Lucas says, referring to fans who, like the dreaded studios, have done their own forcible re-edits. “I’m saying: ‘Fine. But my movie, with my name on it, that says I did it, needs to be the way I want it.’ ”For better or worse, Lucas made the movies he wanted to make.
Lucas seized control of his movies from the studios only to discover that the fanboys could still give him script notes. “Why would I make any more,” Lucas says of the “Star Wars” movies, “when everybody yells at you all the time and says what a terrible person you are?”
By reilo Go To PostWell, nobody forced him out of Star Wars, right? It's not like anyone else held the keys to them until he sold the franchise for $4bil to Disney.i know, just that he knew he was going to sell or at least just disappear so he wrote whatever the hell he wanted
The treatment of the Jedi story is a bit off to me. My impression from the movies is that in the original trilogy they're a shadowy secret society, but in the prequels they're a major player in galactic politics with a massive fuck off temple on Coruscant. Now in the new trilogy they're treated as a mythical entity.
"All those stories you were told. They're true, all of it." The span of the movies is only like 50 years. It isn't that long a time for things to be forgotten.
"All those stories you were told. They're true, all of it." The span of the movies is only like 50 years. It isn't that long a time for things to be forgotten.
By Cleff Go To PostThe treatment of the Jedi story is a bit off to me. My impression from the movies is that in the original trilogy they're a shadowy secret society, but in the prequels they're a major player in galactic politics with a massive fuck off temple on Coruscant. Now in the new trilogy they're treated as a mythical entity.That line was spoken to Rey, right?
"All those stories you were told. They're true, all of it." The span of the movies is only like 50 years. It isn't that long a time for things to be forgotten.
She was abandoned on a sparsely-populated desert planet when she was like five years old - presumably with no formal education since then.
Also, I don't think it's a stretch to assume that the Empire was in many ways successful at stamping out the memory of the Jedi during its time in power. I'm guessing they probably used large-scale brainwashing of the populace through education and the media, not entirely dissimilar to what North Korea has done since the Kims came into power.
And I don't get the impression that the Jedi were ever particularly relevant to the day-to-day lives of the average citizen of the Old Republic. They were powerful, yes, but small in number and very secretive.
Making the Jedi a bunch of bureaucrats that sit about discussing politics and then fighting in wars and shit is one of the shittest decisions of the prequels. Lost all their mystique.
By darth n8er Go To PostMaking the Jedi a bunch of bureaucrats that sit about discussing politics and then fighting in wars and shit is one of the shittest decisions of the prequels. Lost all their mystique.Better than making them a cult.
I've just rewatched the whole lot. Tbh, I can't stand Yoda and Obiwan in 456. A gremlin and a drunk uncle. Zero charisma. Worked better on me a long time ago, but let's not kid ourselves as to how childish it all is.
By Gabyskra Go To PostBetter than making them a cult.
Was it?
By darth n8er Go To PostMaking the Jedi a bunch of bureaucrats that sit about discussing politics and then fighting in wars and shit is one of the shittest decisions of the prequels. Lost all their mystique.Ehh, I actually like that they made the Jedi kind of dumb, distant and unlikeable in the prequels. I think it makes them a more realistically flawed entity and not just some mystic band of all-wise, all-powerful warrior monks.
By darth n8er Go To PostWas it?In 456? Sure. It's all Reaganite-Christian Right drivel. Meritocratic, agency over determinism, white-washed, hierarchical...