Harsher liability laws too. Like that parkland kid that got his gun from his family, they should be on the hang up. Make people think twice before just giving someone else a gun.
By Random Ass Username Go To PostThat "mall" could easily have some fencing and designated entry/exit points with security while still maintaining that open air stuff.people take it for granted then assume that all security has to be shit from some over dramatized cbs show. mall security extends to the parking lot. they've got watch lists, substations, etc.
prison security is beyond the scope of the argument
By diehard Go To PostDY has actually already talked about this. This isn't purely about body count or killing, it's about targeted kill.. people that did them wrong. Anybody can drive a van through a crowd or find how to make a bomb online, these kids are targeting schools because they have targets.dude walked straight to where he wanted to be and opened fire then continued shooting unchecked. that's the problem - and its explicitly what the core of the gun control issues are. there would likely be no national attention if a guy kills his ex gf in her driveway. that's fucking normal and absolutely not even worth a picture in the paper (fucked as it is, but again - we're not talking about handguns. ever.). what's got motors running is the fact that you can kill a dozen people AND the person you hate.
its not even mass killing type of deal purely because those types of things aren't even centered around schools lol. its an entirely different approach to that. if you want to treat school shootings like clubs, concerts, theaters, etc then like.... okay. but the issues they see are more in line with hospitals and any other workplace environment except with almost none of the precautions put in place there.
oh and ban guns instead of looking for who fucked up too. that's always good. blame the NRA but not the countless people directly involved who dropped the ball without consequence.
By Laboured Go To Post
The gammons must be steaming at this
By Fenderputty Go To PostFences can be jumped or gotten around. Are we barb wiring schools now?.Yeah totally easily jumped with a bag full of guns and ammo. I don't even have a comment for that barbwire bullshit. This convo I can't.
oh wow im glad i use ignore lmao
fences aren't anything more than a boundary and deterrent holy shit guy. fences are around the cia headquarters but is that being jumped by guns with guns? christ. they're one very, very, VERY small part of a series of deterrent checks. not even active. but lets not even pretend that's an attempt genuine point because it clearly isn't meant to be.
"these things would never work, what we need is a miracle (ban guns)" is thoughts and prayers* as fuck
*unless you were of the mind to actually go forth with banning guns, which no one is.
fences aren't anything more than a boundary and deterrent holy shit guy. fences are around the cia headquarters but is that being jumped by guns with guns? christ. they're one very, very, VERY small part of a series of deterrent checks. not even active. but lets not even pretend that's an attempt genuine point because it clearly isn't meant to be.
"these things would never work, what we need is a miracle (ban guns)" is thoughts and prayers* as fuck
*unless you were of the mind to actually go forth with banning guns, which no one is.
By Random Ass Username Go To PostYeah totally easily jumped with a bag full of guns and ammo. I don't even have a comment for that barbwire bullshit. This convo I can't.
How much linear feet of fence do you think it would take to surround my old school? How many people to visually cover each foot?
Obviously it would be a deterrent, but it wouldn’t be as effective as limiting entry points to a building and would require a lot more security.
By Facism Go To PostThe gammons must be steaming at thisI'll have you know that's a racist term.
Obviously my fence comment was within the context of comparing it to closing entry points on a building. My school was incredibly open.
By Random Ass Username Go To PostHow would a fence necessitate more security?
You could limit security to entry and exit points in a building. It seems like you would at least want eyes on a fence. I’m betting a linear mile of fence or more to surround my old school.
By Fenderputty Go To PostYou could limit security to entry and exit points in a building. It seems like you would at least want eyes on a fence. I’m betting a linear mile of fence or more to surround my old school.You need eyes on every fucking building and each of their sides without the fence. Also someone can just spray the damn quad, they don't need to go into a building. A fence and some centralized entry points would be less security guards for the open air campuses with like 10 different buildings. If anything that's asking for a lot of security, being sans fence, each and every building would need its own security detail.
By Random Ass Username Go To PostYou need eyes on every fucking building and each of their sides without the fence. Someone can just spray the damn quad, they don't need to go into a building.
Sure, I already agreed with you it would be a deterrent. I compared it to the effectiveness of closing points on a building.
By Randolph Freelander Go To PostElsewhere in Texas…i respect the honesty
By Fenderputty Go To PostFences can be jumped or gotten around. Are we barb wiring schools now?My school in the country had barbwired fences around the premises, iirc. The fences were only like 8 feet high, though.
I do agree with added security though.
By DY_nasty Go To Postlike i said, gotta make it profitable and most likely private. its the only way we get shit done anyways…. schools ain't an exception sad as that isPrivitzation is great so good point. Our prison system is the perfect example
By Kibner Go To PostMy school in the country had barbwired fences around the premises, iirc. The fences were only like 8 feet high, though.
Ok so I wasn’t a lunatic at least .
I see Donnie is out to make most things great again. Like the UN and California. It's not like there are other issues out there.
By RobNBanks Go To PostPrivitzation is great so good point. Our prison system is the perfect examplewhat's with these prison comparisons
are they really the only version of security that is recognizable? im trying to understand if this is just john stewarting or actual belief
and or is it the idea that private anything is just bad? because that's also a horrible blanket statement to believe in
By Fenderputty Go To PostHarsher liability laws too. Like that parkland kid that got his gun from his family, they should be on the hang up. Make people think twice before just giving someone else a gun.
I agree with this 100%. If a kid takes their parents’ guns and kills someone then the parents should be up on the same charges.
I was reading about a man who got life because his friends borrowed his car for a robbery and ended up killing someone. Seemed crazy to me, but If America gonna do people like that then should extend it to the kids/parents gun situation.
By Francis Go To PostI'll have you know that's a racist term.
Laboured pls
By DY_nasty Go To Postsingle entrances do kinda help security… wishing guns away definitely isn't gonna help
This is a fucking stupid as shit argument
By DY_nasty Go To Postwhat's with these prison comparisonsYou’re ignoring his point. The prison comparison is because you mentioned privatization and privatized prisons are awful. I don’t think anyone wants more privatized school systems. Charter schools already are a massive scam.
are they really the only version of security that is recognizable? im trying to understand if this is just john stewarting or actual belief
and or is it the idea that private anything is just bad? because that's also a horrible blanket statement to believe in
I’m struggling to think of anything private that’s worth being a thing. My parents paid 10k a year to send my little bro to private school and they still charged extra for shit like an iPad rental, you couldn’t buy your own you had to rent from the school. You’re telling me that $10k somehow couldn’t include that mandatory iPad?
Private businesses and companies are in it to make money, rarely, if ever, do they give a shit about anything that isn’t money
But hell let’s just do all the bullshit DY suggests, and when that doesn’t work maybe just maybe we’ll get to a point where he’s like gosh darn it maybe it is those guns. Remember when parkland first happened it was all about campus security and then we found out there actually was security and they were too shook to do anything and now it’s too many doors and other miscellaneous shit?
he is omniscient after all so just ignore this post
Private businesses and companies are in it to make money, rarely, if ever, do they give a shit about anything that isn’t money
But hell let’s just do all the bullshit DY suggests, and when that doesn’t work maybe just maybe we’ll get to a point where he’s like gosh darn it maybe it is those guns. Remember when parkland first happened it was all about campus security and then we found out there actually was security and they were too shook to do anything and now it’s too many doors and other miscellaneous shit?
he is omniscient after all so just ignore this post
By RobNBanks Go To PostI’m struggling to think of anything private that’s worth being a thing. My parents paid 10k a year to send my little bro to private school and they still charged extra for shit like an iPad rental, you couldn’t buy your own you had to rent from the school. You’re telling me that $10k somehow couldn’t include that mandatory iPad?Do we really need to go the ineffectiveness and inefficiency of government anything? That conversation is a long one with limitless caveats.
Private businesses and companies are in it to make money, rarely, if ever, do they give a shit about anything that isn’t money
But hell let’s just do all the bullshit DY suggests, and when that doesn’t work maybe just maybe we’ll get to a point where he’s like gosh darn it maybe it is those guns. Remember when parkland first happened it was all about campus security and then we found out there actually was security and they were too shook to do anything and now it’s too many doors and other miscellaneous shit?
he is omniscient after all so just ignore this post
DY brought up something that could be done that is based in reality. What's your plan?
The ineffectiveness and inefficiency of government is by design by people who profit from private enterprises.
By diehard Go To PostDo we really need to go the ineffectiveness and inefficiency of government anything? That conversation is a long one with limitless caveats.
DY brought up something that could be done that is based in reality. What's your plan?
I still maintain fencing, security, fire doors or whatever is going to be close to, if not as large a congressional impasse as gun control when we’re talking national scale. It’s all going to be government funded and it’s all going to be awarded to the lowest bidder.
To be, honest, that kinda money would be better spent on actual education too. Public preschool. Better supplies. More teachers per student.
Our society if so Fucked that we’re entertaining a conversation, which you’re now cheerleading, about school security choke points when we should be dealing with root causes (too many guns in the population, ease of access).
By n8 dogg Go To PostThis is a fucking stupid as shit argumentsure okay. funnelling the majority of traffic towards security instead of just hoping things are good in open air is totally legit
lets just front like security isn't an industry with known effective practices and instead opt to say anything and everything that's been tried for years is terrible. i mean, its one thing to not know what you're talking but to be like.... oh i dont know - assume that its completely impossible to do anything. at all.
im actually liking this flipped coin of thoughts and prayers. there's nothing anyone can do besides ask for all guns to disappear and pretend that 'gun control' will put an end to it all. even when many of what happens is already blatantly illegal as fuck
By Perfect Blue Go To PostYou’re ignoring his point. The prison comparison is because you mentioned privatization and privatized prisons are awful. I don’t think anyone wants more privatized school systems. Charter schools already are a massive scam.no im not
kids aren't getting stripped naked on inprocessing or getting regular culo checks. they never will. stop it. there won't ever in any circumstance be a scenario where kids will be given that sort of treatment. nor will they be put to work clearing roads and doing general labor. and its absurd how you guys default to guard towers as well. its a bad comparison straight up. there's no school riots. there's no separation or segregation practices. its just a crap comparison based on nothing but the words 'private institution'. we can do better than that, right?
there's so many privatized entities assisting with every extension of government and service industries that its ridiculous in all breaths to assume that private security would turn your middle school into alcatraz lol. security exists at a local fed ex, to malls, to banks, to concerts, to railways, to blah blah blah you get the point
saying 'more security' doesn't mean call of duty killsteaks and tower defense systems. it doesn't mean a loss of rights (ironic huehue). nor does it mean added risk in other avenues (fire code? if yal want to talk firecode LOL lets do it lol. like you really want to act like hotels only have a front door and that's it. that's all. everyone can die should smoke happen just like the 40s)
private industry being a boogieman should immediately alarm you to the fact that buzzwords are doing work on your perceptions.
By RobNBanks Go To PostI’m struggling to think of anything private that’s worth being a thing. My parents paid 10k a year to send my little bro to private school and they still charged extra for shit like an iPad rental, you couldn’t buy your own you had to rent from the school. You’re telling me that $10k somehow couldn’t include that mandatory iPad?im sorry WHAT lmao
Private businesses and companies are in it to make money, rarely, if ever, do they give a shit about anything that isn’t money
But hell let’s just do all the bullshit DY suggests, and when that doesn’t work maybe just maybe we’ll get to a point where he’s like gosh darn it maybe it is those guns. Remember when parkland first happened it was all about campus security and then we found out there actually was security and they were too shook to do anything and now it’s too many doors and other miscellaneous shit?
he is omniscient after all so just ignore this post
man, okay.... if you want to act like everything private sucks and the government is awesome then you have admit there's quite the bit of laughable irony and shortsighted hypocrisy at work. there's private security functioning in every sector of public security. this is going back to not realizing its there and taking it for granted. there's more security in a post office than people even bother to understand. and they don't have to. and that's fine. but at the same time saying that because you don't see these things, you can safely assume that a massive, competitive industry is worthless is wildly disingenuous or plain ignorant.
security exists for your food, your mail, your utilities, etc - so what if your charter school sucks. the reason why medicare/medicaid even is what is today is because the government, like it always does, matched a public need with a private industry. that's literally our government at its best and that's always been the case. if you don't think making money drives this country in all assets then like.... yo that's capitalism lol. it costs money to die.
but if we're again throwing memes and facebook stream talking points back and forth, then i'd like to at least suggest impartiality. remember when parkland went down and we found that people dropped the ball and no one held them accountable and instead we got marches to ban guns and go after the NRA? is that not ridiculous? is it still not ridiculous to prefer an essentially nonsensical move of banning weapons (for multiple reasons, again - i don't like our cops, so i kinda like the whole having my own weapon thing... but the hypocrisy of fuck cops/take away my rights is another topic) over the same security principles we've applied to protect things at any other point in history?
im just saying. it feels like its just fun to do this more than anything else. what better way to validate complacency than to ask for mountains to move and say that someone kept you from moving mountains.
one more thing, "when it fails" uhhhhh...... that's pretty pathetic man lol
no such thing as any perfect system. at all. anywhere. but if it prevents, stops, or reduces the impact of like anything at all its a worthwhile solution. so the strength behind the whole its ridiculous, dont try, <other horrible="" comparison="" like="" prisons="" as="" if="" anyone="" here="" has="" ever="" been="" to="" one="">, etc against it is just not enthusiasm to me
its a cop out. if you really wanted to see guns disappear, you'd violently ask for it. but you will never will because its kinda nice in this country and no one wants to fuck all that up by prying stuff out of cold dead hands
Gun control, while it won't stop illegal guns from being sold will make it harder for most of the general public to obtain them.
I get it if the school shootings are done by terrorists or street gangs that have the contacts to illegally obtain guns but it's not what's happening innit.
As a non-American it's kind of bewildering that we have to point this out. I don't think there's any school shootings that have happened in the last three decades that I was alive, and it's due to proper gun control. Do some guns are still sold through illegal means? Yes, but most of the general public is safe from it.
I get it if the school shootings are done by terrorists or street gangs that have the contacts to illegally obtain guns but it's not what's happening innit.
As a non-American it's kind of bewildering that we have to point this out. I don't think there's any school shootings that have happened in the last three decades that I was alive, and it's due to proper gun control. Do some guns are still sold through illegal means? Yes, but most of the general public is safe from it.
By FlutterPuffs Go To PostGun control, while it won't stop illegal guns from being sold will make it harder for most of the general public to obtain them.i'd be on the same page as you but the context doesn't match up. your gun control is a lot easier to implement when there aren't guns for every single household. its not like there's a bottleneck on firearm sales. you can buy or find a gun in every direction you look. its also not really fair to say that gun control, as is, is even properly executed or enforced - and at the same time, the argument always seems to either omit or carelessly ignore that fact altogether
I get it if the school shootings are done by terrorists or street gangs that have the contacts to illegally obtain guns but it's not what's happening innit.
As a non-American it's kind of bewildering that we have to point this out. I don't think there's any school shootings that have happened in the last three decades that I was alive, and it's due to proper gun control. Do some guns are still sold through illegal means? Yes, but most of the general public is safe from it.
furthermore 'safe' is dependent on what exactly you're trying to argue as well. gun violence as a whole is trending downwards, hard. mass shootings and mass casualty prevention as a whole? that's a different kind of discussion than the one where the NRA is a comicbook evil shadow organization. it needs to be treated that way otherwise you're just on a cruise for validation. if the nra shutdown tomorrow, what would change? lol. that is the emptiest 'goal' i've seen in years. if there was an disarmamentation proclamation held on the hill monday morning, who'd actually enforce it? these are huge nothings imo.
directing energy at the NRA for CPS not following through or FBI not tracking people people they're supposed to tracking, and then getting mad at people for pointing that out, is a bad spot for a discussion to be in
for the most part, i completely agree with you. its just that i don't think the majority of americans really have a full argument on what they want. its mind rattling to me that you can hate police powers being what they are then want to ban guns and remove your own personal rights at the same time. i'd be willing to make the compromise if it ever came down to it, but not when there's traction for no motion in either direction on this issue.
https://www.nytimes.com/2018/05/19/us/politics/trump-jr-saudi-uae-nader-prince-zamel.html
Found a smoking gun...for two other nations. LOL
Found a smoking gun...for two other nations. LOL
By TheHunter Go To Posthttps://www.nytimes.com/2018/05/19/us/politics/trump-jr-saudi-uae-nader-prince-zamel.html
Found a smoking gun…for two other nations. LOL
This news doesn’t usually drop on a Saturday
By YungMagus Go To PostNiggas need to know how to take girls not bowing to their whims.
By YungMagus Go To PostThanks for makin it clearer fam.I just wanted us to all see how truly pathetic this is getting.
Like damn, gonna go shoot up the candy store for the gumball machine not working next?
By TheHunter Go To PostI just wanted us to all see how truly pathetic this is getting.
Like damn, gonna go shoot up the candy store for the gumball machine not working next?
Its crazy.
Dudes really thinkin that just because their 80s romcom fantasies don't work out that they gonna go murk everybody.
Fuckin sickin yo.....
2nd shooting by a white boy who didn't get his way with women.
And the NRA is focusing its PR on Texan pride. What a time to be an American.
And the NRA is focusing its PR on Texan pride. What a time to be an American.
By DY_nasty Go To Postits not new at all really… wish it was
True,
I still remember the 'n happenin over on that other site for that one kid who wrote a manifesto and uploaded a vid diary before he shot up a college cuz of shit like this.
So I know this isn't new. Still pathetic however
Domestic violence and killing women long been a thing. Even taking that violence to people other than the woman/wife/girlfriend long been a thing too. Guns just make it way easier to harm a lot more people.
Having a global community at the palm of your hands to enforce the behaviour is something new though.
Im not saying everything is far worse compared to the past, it's quite the opposite of that but some things must change when it comes to the usage of social media / internet.
Im not saying everything is far worse compared to the past, it's quite the opposite of that but some things must change when it comes to the usage of social media / internet.