I honestly think it'll be sooner than that. As the Chinese/Indian automotive markets mature the demand for EV is going to grow at exponential rates.
I don't know how it can. The infrastructure just isn't there and the charging times for EVs are ridiculously long. Most people can't even own an EV unless they live in a building that has EV charging stations -- which are limited in availability if they do -- or if they own a home that supports 240v. Not to mention that if you have a long commute to work, how will you justify owning an EV if your work doesn't have charging stations?
EVs are also expensive as flying fuck. People really underestimate how constricting battery technology is for everyday use.
I'd wager that fuel cells are more likely to progress rapidly in the next decade to make that more palatable, but battery technology just doesn't seemingly have the leap in it to make it mass market friendly in under a decade.
EVs are also expensive as flying fuck. People really underestimate how constricting battery technology is for everyday use.
I'd wager that fuel cells are more likely to progress rapidly in the next decade to make that more palatable, but battery technology just doesn't seemingly have the leap in it to make it mass market friendly in under a decade.
Running a single 240 volt circuit to your garage isn't difficult
Infrastructure is the bottleneck though
Infrastructure is the bottleneck though
I don't have a garage. How many people do you know what a) own a home with a garage or b) live in a complex that has charging stations? And that's just the US where the barrier of entry is much lower than the rest of the world.
Now think about China and the crazy expensive barrier of entry to owning even your bog standard gasoline vehicle before we even get to the idea whether they can even own an EV because they can't charge it.
Now think about China and the crazy expensive barrier of entry to owning even your bog standard gasoline vehicle before we even get to the idea whether they can even own an EV because they can't charge it.
For those interested in OWNING rather than leasing an exotic vehicle, consider that something as simple as an oil change will be a pain in the butt.
NOBODY will carry your parts but the dealer.
NOBODY will carry your parts but the dealer.
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Any reputable shop will be able to get ahold of the oil you need for your "exotic". No, you can't go to whatever $30 per oil change shop, but you shouldn't be taking a $75k+ car there anyway.
Perfect example: my M3 runs on a high viscosity 10,000 mile oil, no regular oil change shop carries 10w60. But my local BMW mechanic that treats me and my car well does.
Any reputable shop will be able to get ahold of the oil you need for your "exotic". No, you can't go to whatever $30 per oil change shop, but you shouldn't be taking a $75k+ car there anyway.
Perfect example: my M3 runs on a high viscosity 10,000 mile oil, no regular oil change shop carries 10w60. But my local BMW mechanic that treats me and my car well does.
Nobody carries the oil filter.
I been at Valvaline for AN HOUR because they thought they had the part but they don't. So manager had to go to O'reillys to get the part. I have been waiting here for AN HOUR because they drained the oil thinking they had the correct part.
Also, car comes with FOUR skid plates. That took like 15 min by themselves.
Poor Optimus Prime been sweating in the backseat.
I been at Valvaline for AN HOUR because they thought they had the part but they don't. So manager had to go to O'reillys to get the part. I have been waiting here for AN HOUR because they drained the oil thinking they had the correct part.
Also, car comes with FOUR skid plates. That took like 15 min by themselves.
Poor Optimus Prime been sweating in the backseat.
By Phoenix RISING Go To PostNobody carries the oil filter.What car is it?
I been at Valvaline for AN HOUR because they thought they had the part but they don't. So manager had to go to O'reillys to get the part. I have been waiting here for AN HOUR because they drained the oil thinking they had the correct part.
Also, car comes with FOUR skid plates. That took like 15 min by themselves.
Poor Optimus Prime been sweating in the backseat.
Better get that electrical grid up and running ...
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/07/06/france-ban-petrol-diesel-vehicles-2040/
Complete with a Trump dig.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/07/06/france-ban-petrol-diesel-vehicles-2040/
France will outlaw the sale of all petrol and diesel vehicles by 2040, its new environment minister, Nicolas Hulot, has announced.
It will also ban any “new project to use petrol, gas or coal”, as well as shale oil, by that date.
The radical measures were unveiled at a press conference as part of French president Emmanuel Macron’s pledge to “make the planet great again”.
Complete with a Trump dig.
On another note, BMW is joining Formula E, which means they're gonna put together serious resources for an EV push. i5 being killed off was mostly because they want to make an EV 5-Series, ditto for the i3 probably not being long for this world as an EV 3-Series is most likely in the works.
And now Volvo has announced that they will stop producing standalone IC engine models starting in 2019.
Tesla better hope that Model 3 is any good because the competition is now coming in 2-3 years time.
And now Volvo has announced that they will stop producing standalone IC engine models starting in 2019.
Tesla better hope that Model 3 is any good because the competition is now coming in 2-3 years time.
My company is currently bidding work for Tesla because they just signed a contract with Enterprise and we're going to install charges nationwide at enterprise locations nationwide. They're expanding their super charging stations and have their battery plant up and running. The model 3 is already sold out too no?
By reilo Go To PostOn another note, BMW is joining Formula E, which means they're gonna put together serious resources for an EV push. i5 being killed off was mostly because they want to make an EV 5-Series, ditto for the i3 probably not being long for this world as an EV 3-Series is most likely in the works.To be clear, they mean that they won't be releasing any new models that arent EV after 2019. They will continue to produce IC engines well after 2019, just not on new models.
And now Volvo has announced that they will stop producing standalone IC engine models starting in 2019.
Tesla better hope that Model 3 is any good because the competition is now coming in 2-3 years time.
So the 2020 XC90/S90/V90 will still have IC engines, for example.
Now I know why Audi and Bentley execs were so pissed at the Lincoln Continental's design...because they had the same taillights planned for the Audi A8!
LOL.
Edit: Also, the more I look at the front. The more I hate it. That grille is so wide and pointy. Bleh.
LOL.
Edit: Also, the more I look at the front. The more I hate it. That grille is so wide and pointy. Bleh.
I never understood why so many people in my state(AL) drove big ass trucks other than stereotypes and little man syndrome
but then I test drove a Raptor and I kind of understand it
but then I test drove a Raptor and I kind of understand it
My only concern with a Raptor is that I'll be tempted to thrash the thing off road and break it. lol
Cancel all Demon orders
Never Forget:
By Fenderputty Go To PostMy only concern with a Raptor is that I'll be tempted to thrash the thing off road and break it. lol
Never Forget:
The Jaguar E-Pace is smaller than the F-Pace, and seats five. It's available with a pair of 2.0-liter turbocharged inline-four gasoline engines mated to a nine-speed automatic transmission. The base motor makes 246 horsepower and 269 pound-feet of torque, and puts that power to the ground via a standard all-wheel-drive system. The R-Dynamic version ups the output figures to 296 horsepower and 295 pound-feet, comes with a pair of paddle shifters, and gets the Active Driveline AWD system. Both drivelines can transfer almost all the torque to either the front or rear axles, depending on the driving situation, but the Advanced Driveline can disengage AWD, sending power to just the front axle to save fuel, and does more to keep the car stable in dynamic driving.
The E-Pace starts at $39,595. The R-Dynamic version begins at $48,245. Jaguar will also offer a limited E-Pace First Edition at a price of $54,545.
Range Rover Velar, just a few inches shorter in length (same wheelbase). But they use the same platform. It's closer to size to an X3.
The F-Pace is the Macan competitor. And the F-Pace is arguably better than the Macan. The Macan, remember, is basically a re-skinned Audi Q5 with an exhaustively tuned up platform.
By reilo Go To PostThe F-Pace is the Macan competitor. And the F-Pace is arguably better than the Macan. The Macan, remember, is basically a re-skinned Audi Q5 with an exhaustively tuned up platform.
Yeah but it says Porsche on the car my guy
That's like the same size as my old EX35. If I didnt have to have a truck, that would be in my driveway. (or maybe a Macan, but the price on this looks so good).
By reilo Go To PostThe F-Pace is the Macan competitor. And the F-Pace is arguably better than the Macan. The Macan, remember, is basically a re-skinned Audi Q5 with an exhaustively tuned up platform.That's kind of a disservice. Many people have noted that they would have no idea because they feel like completely different cars.
By zfzmikey Go To PostThat's kind of a disservice. Many people have noted that they would have no idea because they feel like completely different cars.You're right, tbh, but that's also why I said "exhaustively tuned up". I was just countering to Adam's "yea but Porsche" post.
By reilo Go To PostYou're right, tbh, but that's also why I said "exhaustively tuned up". I was just countering to Adam's "yea but Porsche" post.
Wow we all look alike to you huh? Smdh
By Adam Blade Go To PostMacan competitor? I'd still rather have the Porsche.
By HasphatsAnts Go To PostWow we all look alike to you huh? Smdh?
By Fenderputty Go To PostThe F-Pace isn't exactly large and this is smaller? What's the comparable? The X1?
By reilo Go To PostRange Rover Velar, just a few inches shorter in length (same wheelbase). But they use the same platform. It's closer to size to an X3.
It's an X1 competitor, it's only 174 inches in length (almost the same as the X1). The F-Pace is an X3 competitor, at 186 inches (2 inches longer). The X3 has swelled considerably in size, and it's no longer the little runt of the pack (it's also BMW's best selling car and fastest in sales growth, as well). The X5 is 192.5 inches in length, and there is still the Jaguar J-Pace on its way, which will be revealed in another 6-8 months - which should be in that mid 190s ballpark, as well.
The base E-Pace is more expensive than a base X1, but it will come with tons more standard features than the lowly base X1s do - which are an absolute travesty in true base form. AWD is standard on the Jag. The BMW X1 is FWD. That alone adds $2K. Something like nav on a Jag is usually a $500 extra. And in the Jag, Jaguar in-control app is free. In the X1, Navigation forces you into a $2500 package, which also gets you the BMW remote app, like the Jag.
Even paddle shifters are an up-charge on the X1 and part of the $2500 M-Sport package. I'm curious if the headlights on the E-Pace will be standard bi-xenon, since base XE's can be had with those horrific looking halogens.
That's the F-Pace's length. The E-Pace is a compact SUV. F-Pace is a mid-size. Anything larger would be a full size, which Jaguar will fill with the J-Pace (mule's of the J-Pace have been spotted).
The bread and butter vehicles are anything that are compact (E-Pace) and mid-size (F-Pace). Cars like the X5, GLE, GLS, Q7, etc. sell considerably worse, because the market needs cars like the Q3, Q5, GLA, GLC, X1, and X3. Jaguar has honed in on those as their top priorities. They're playing this very smart.
And of course the i-Pace will arrive very soon too (I think first deliveries begin early 2018). But that's all electric, with a 300 mile range. It measures almost the same as the F-Pace. But it's aim is to take away market share from the Tesla Model X, which is bigger, but also considerably more expensive. Moreso than any other company I've Stanned for in the past, Jaguar's product planning and trajectory is largely something I mostly approve of every time it's announced.
I remember when I loved Audis...and 2 years later hated them. That marriage ended quick for me. They rode their high horse for all of 2-3 years.
The bread and butter vehicles are anything that are compact (E-Pace) and mid-size (F-Pace). Cars like the X5, GLE, GLS, Q7, etc. sell considerably worse, because the market needs cars like the Q3, Q5, GLA, GLC, X1, and X3. Jaguar has honed in on those as their top priorities. They're playing this very smart.
And of course the i-Pace will arrive very soon too (I think first deliveries begin early 2018). But that's all electric, with a 300 mile range. It measures almost the same as the F-Pace. But it's aim is to take away market share from the Tesla Model X, which is bigger, but also considerably more expensive. Moreso than any other company I've Stanned for in the past, Jaguar's product planning and trajectory is largely something I mostly approve of every time it's announced.
I remember when I loved Audis...and 2 years later hated them. That marriage ended quick for me. They rode their high horse for all of 2-3 years.
WASHINGTON - A U.S. House subcommittee will vote Wednesday on a sweeping proposal to allow automakers to deploy up to 100,000 self-driving vehicles without meeting existing auto safety standards and bar states from imposing driverless car rules.WTF THIS IS INSANE
The measure, which would be the first significant federal legislation aimed at speeding self-driving cars to market, would require automakers to submit safety assessment reports to U.S. regulators, but would not require pre-market approval of advanced vehicle technologies.
By reilo Go To PostWTF THIS IS INSANEUhhhh... these things need to meet every safety standard available. Because seriously. I hope that doesn't pass.
I want a self-driving car so badly. It would free up a lot of my personal time. But I want to be safe in even the rarest driving scenarios and there are a lot of them in my area.
Not only that but cars are engineered with modern crash capabilities to not only protect the person inside just one car but also potentially another car. Imagine these things being tested in pedestrian heavy areas like SF or LA and not meeting pedestrian safety standards?
I don't think that means what you think it means. Further in the article:
Also: http://bringatrailer.com/listing/1988-bmw-325ix-4/
Gonna take it up to a few grand, see if I can get it for a winter beater.
Automakers must meet nearly 75 auto safety standards, many of which were written with the assumption that a licensed driver will be in control of the vehicle.
The 30-page draft bill would also require the Transportation Department within two years to adopt rules requiring automakers to add a driver alert to check rear seating in an effort to prevent children from being left behind and consider setting performance standards for headlights.
Also: http://bringatrailer.com/listing/1988-bmw-325ix-4/
Gonna take it up to a few grand, see if I can get it for a winter beater.
Audi's (slightly) nastier looking new coupe has gained 0.6 inches of width and wheelbase and 2.9 inches of length but lost 132 pounds of mass along the way. Even better, the smaller 2.9-liter twin-turbo V6—the same one found in the Porsche Panamera—produces the same 450 horsepower as before, but gains a thumping 125 lb-ft of torque over the old V8, bringing the grand total of twist to 442 lb-ft. As with the previous RS5 you can't get a manual, but this time Audi swaps their signature dual-clutch transmission with an 8-speed torque converter unit from ZF. The reasoning is sound: the DSG 'box couldn't handle the engine's output, which produces more torque than the R8's mighty V10 – #bigtwistproblems.
The RS5's weight loss stems from strategic use of aluminum and the loss of the stonking V8 (ditching it for the twin-turbo V6 saved 68 pounds alone). Weight distribution is, of course, also aided by the lighter front end, and the rear trapezoidal suspension setup has been supplanted with a five-link arrangement for smoother ride and sharper handling. Interior space also benefits from the larger footprint, with rear seat legroom benefiting most from the roomier dimensions.
With a zero to 60 mph time of 3.7 seconds, that gearchange mambo occurs impressively fast, and the RS5 launches forward forcefully.
Thanks to a new hydraulically linked shock setup with cockpit adjustable damping, the RS5 felt markedly different depending on which mode was selected. In comfort, the ride is still somewhat firm but moderately sized potholes are filtered out. Select sport and it stiffens up to a point that you wouldn't want it on a bumpy road; marble smooth tarmac is manageable, but you'll get diminishing returns in the stiffest setting on most real world surfaces.
The default power split is 40/60 through the Torsen differential, with up to 85 percent driven to the rear or 65 percent to the front. Opt for the sport differential feature, and power is managed at the rear using a mechanical vectoring system via two clutches. Additionally, brake vectoring is used at all four wheels to help rotate the car in corners.http://www.autoblog.com/2017/07/20/2018-audi-rs5-first-drive/
On the impossibly tight switchbacks through the steep ascents of the Pyrenees mountains, the RS5 felt taut and responsive. Sure, there's a bit of the requisite understeer at corner entry, but the grip levels are high enough to encourage seriously high speeds. The RS5's linked hydraulic shock system, first seen on the RS7, offers the effect of a virtual anti-roll bar by enhancing body control as the car negotiates a corner, and the feeling is reassuringly glued-down.