Sony wouldn't even put a UHD drive in their own system. And you can't change your name on PSN in 2017.
I don't think I'd be worried about them making the move to digital only.
I don't think I'd be worried about them making the move to digital only.
By Smokey Go To PostSony wouldn't even put a UHD drive in their own system. And you can't change your name on PSN in 2017.that doesn't make sense as not putting a uhd drive in the pro is a clear statement that they don't care about physical media anymore. they'll drop it if they can get away with it.
I don't think I'd be worried about them making the move to digital only.
They won't drop a disc drive for the simple reason that PS sells like crazy in certain parts of the world that severely lag in internet infrastructure.
Download 30-60GB games is just unfeasible in certain markets.
Hell, it's big enough of a PITA over PSN in the US.
Download 30-60GB games is just unfeasible in certain markets.
Hell, it's big enough of a PITA over PSN in the US.
Guys, let's not treat this like a subforum for Resetera or Reddit or wherever, if there's news let's post links here so people don't have to dig on other sites to find them.
I wish. If Maverick Hunter X isn't my favourite Mega Man ever made, it's in my top 3. But the stiff animation and charmless environments here are giving me the Mighty No. 9 shakes :/
By rodeoclown Go To PostIt's going for the same thing as Powered Up and Maverick Hunter, though, and those games are great.
I wish. If Maverick Hunter X isn't my favourite Mega Man ever made, it's in my top 3. But the stiff animation and charmless environments here are giving me the Mighty No. 9 shakes :/
By reilo Go To PostThey won't drop a disc drive for the simple reason that PS sells like crazy in certain parts of the world that severely lag in internet infrastructure.
Download 30-60GB games is just unfeasible in certain markets.
Hell, it's big enough of a PITA over PSN in the US.
This is the correct answer. It's not even about small markets, there are plenty of US consumers who either don't have access to or can't afford that kind of bandwidth cap. Especially if/when net neutrality ends and fucks everybody up.
As for VR... I was talking about this yesterday, it will likely factor in, but the headset tech is expensive enough that it has to remain separate, so the system can't focus on that.
The bad animation is one of the things that really stood out to me, too. I'm hoping it's something that gets smoothed over between now and when it releases since they have 10, 11 months until then.
By Mariosalic Go To Postthat doesn't make sense as not putting a uhd drive in the pro is a clear statement that they don't care about physical media anymore. they'll drop it if they can get away with it.
They do that and they will hand next gen back to MS, just like MS gave it to them this gen.
By Smokey Go To PostThey do that and they will hand next gen back to MS, just like MS gave it to them this gen.
To do that MS would have to invest in exclusives. I'm not sure upper management is really interested in footing that bill. They seem content to keep the brand and maintain a foothold in that space, but as an adjunct to what they're trying to do in the Windows space.
By Mariosalic Go To Postthat doesn't make sense as not putting a uhd drive in the pro is a clear statement that they don't care about physical media anymore. they'll drop it if they can get away with it.Not at all, putting a UHD drive on PS5 makes sense as it allows for games to be but on larger capacity disks. They didn't put it on the Pro because it would be only used for movies and Sony has quality stand alone players to sell.
Microsoft has put one on their revisions but there are reports of multiple issues with it.
By livefromkyoto Go To PostTo do that MS would have to invest in exclusives. I'm not sure upper management is really interested in footing that bill. They seem content to keep the brand and maintain a foothold in that space, but as an adjunct to what they're trying to do in the Windows space.
Phil is now a VP and will probably carry a bigger voice because of it. You're ever going to find all these weird jrpgs on Xbox. And then if they did get exclusives by 💰, there would be bitching, and by first party, there'd be bitching about the length of time before something was shown.
By LFMartins86 Go To PostNot at all, putting a UHD drive on PS5 makes sense as it allows for games to be but on larger capacity disks. They didn't put it on the Pro because it would be only used for movies and Sony has quality stand alone players to sell.
Microsoft has put one on their revisions but there are reports of multiple issues with it.
The problem is everything needs to be a shitty app for some reason. They had a big HDR bug in UHD movies, but I think it's been fixed in a update.
"Weird jRPGs on the Xbox" ... the console was at its best when Tales of Vesperia was exclusive to the 360. I didn't like Lost Odyssey, but it and ToV certainly made me purchase a 360.
By Smokey Go To PostThey do that and they will hand next gen back to MS, just like MS gave it to them this gen.
MS never had a generation. 360 finished tied for second place and that only happened because Sony were the biggest dumbasses with an ultra expensive console.
By reilo Go To Post"Weird jRPGs on the Xbox" … the console was at its best when Tales of Vesperia was exclusive to the 360. I didn't like Lost Odyssey, but it and ToV certainly made me purchase a 360.
Tales to me, correct me if I'm wrong, seems to be a bigger rpg franchise and LO was made by someone who had FF credentials to back it up. They also put more of a effort into Japan back then, but I don't think that same will exists today. Idk.
From what I gather the 'no games' narrative is based on jrpgs and studios on the caliber of Naughty Dog, which isn't that easy to just make up out of thin air. 343 literally had a blank check, and look what they did pre Halo 5.
By Mariosalic Go To PostMS never had a generation. 360 finished tied for second place and that only happened because Sony were the biggest dumbasses with an ultra expensive console.360 was a generation of two halves, before and after Kinect.
Before Kinect featured a great first and the best third party lineup in the industry, while having a large looming shadow over it called RROD.
After Kinect featured everything wrong about Microsoft: shuttering of studios, bad sequels, and focus on penetrating a market that didn't give a fuck about their vision.
By Smokey Go To PostTales to me, correct me if I'm wrong, seems to be a bigger rpg franchise and LO was made by someone who had FF credentials to back it up. They also put more of a effort into Japan back then, but I don't think that same will exists today. Idk.No, it's based off of the fact that they lost or shuttered the studios that made those great first party games because they didn't bring in enough revenue.
From what I gather the 'no games' narrative is based on jrpgs and studios on the caliber of Naughty Dog, which isn't that easy to just make up out of thin air. 343 literally had a blank check, and look what they did pre Halo 5.
Microsoft is never going to show its hand again early like they did at E3 2014. Everyone knows Halo 6 is coming out next year and they won't even say that it's a thing because they got grief even for the first Halo 5 reveal (Master Chief in that weird, tattered cape. To be fair, he's not the main character of that game. It's a bad sales pitch), to say nothing of the cancellations of Phantom Dust and Scalebound, the rocky development of Crackdown, etc.
So Halo 6 will get announced next year, release next fall and that will be the cycle. Forza Horizon will get announced at E3 and release in the fall.
So Halo 6 will get announced next year, release next fall and that will be the cycle. Forza Horizon will get announced at E3 and release in the fall.
Did the last mainline Zelda before BotW (Skyward Sword?) end with a downer? Or is the sorry state of the world in BotW (Link & co. losing to Calamity Jane) something that happened in between? From what the characters are saying I assume it's the former, but idk, seems odd.
By Random Ass Username Go To PostMy ps4 right now is basically a streaming machine.Ah, the days before the Nvidia Shield Android TV. I remember them well. My PS3 was a streaming champ. Haven't touched the PS4 since UC4.
By Random Ass Username Go To PostMy ps4 right now is basically a streaming machine.Minus the support for HDR on various apps e.g. YouTube (which, tbh, doesn't affect me yet or most people for that matter), it's a pretty great streaming machine.
By reilo Go To Post360 was a generation of two halves, before and after Kinect.
Before Kinect featured a great first and the best third party lineup in the industry, while having a large looming shadow over it called RROD.
After Kinect featured everything wrong about Microsoft: shuttering of studios, bad sequels, and focus on penetrating a market that didn't give a fuck about their vision.
No, it's based off of the fact that they lost or shuttered the studios that made those great first party games because they didn't bring in enough revenue.
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Go look at the first party games for 360. It's still mostly the same today. The difference is the Bioshocks,Mass Effects, Oblivions, Blue Dragons etc which hit 360 because they were a year earlier than PS3, cheaper, easier to develop for, and larger install base. You won't get a repeat of that because neither one of them will let another get a year + headstart again. PS4 is getting what it's getting primarily because of the massive difference in install base, which stemmed from MS fucking up, and they're getting great output from first party. If Sony fucks up, and it's possible see beginning of PS3, it can flip right back.
MS fucked up focusing on Nintendo inspired Kinect trash for too long.
They've already said they'll be looking into acquisitions to bolster first party . I imagine that's for the nextbox. But then they'll be bitched at for that too, so they can't win lol
That's... a lot? lol
IDK how you're so easily dismissing those being gone as "eh, whatever, nobody cares today".
Besides, the studios behind the biggest properties left today (Halo, Gears) aren't even around anymore to make those games for them. I don't think we've really come to grips about why Bungie left MS to just work on another sci-fi space shooter under Activision of all companies. That's a huuuuge red flag imo.
IDK how you're so easily dismissing those being gone as "eh, whatever, nobody cares today".
Besides, the studios behind the biggest properties left today (Halo, Gears) aren't even around anymore to make those games for them. I don't think we've really come to grips about why Bungie left MS to just work on another sci-fi space shooter under Activision of all companies. That's a huuuuge red flag imo.
By Zabojnik Go To PostDid the last mainline Zelda before BotW (Skyward Sword?) end with a downer? Or is the sorry state of the world in BotW (Link & co. losing to Calamity Jane) something that happened in between? From what the characters are saying I assume it's the former, but idk, seems odd.I just assume no Zeda game is directly related to another.
By reilo Go To PostThat's… a lot? lol
IDK how you're so easily dismissing those being gone as "eh, whatever, nobody cares today".
Besides, the studios behind the biggest properties left today (Halo, Gears) aren't even around anymore to make those games for them. I don't think we've really come to grips about why Bungie left MS to just work on another sci-fi space shooter under Activision of all companies. That's a huuuuge red flag imo.
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Those IP I mentioned except for Blue Dragon are now huge IPs. It was a perfect storm that allowed those to start out only on Xbox. The same perfect fuckup storm that allowed Sony to do what it's doing. Sony literally said and did the opposite of MS before launch , and that shit was ate up. It's arguable that the first year of Xbox saw better games than PS4, but because PS4 was cheaper, stronger, and didn't fuck up, people went that way.
I imagine Bungie didn't want to work on Halo forever like a 343, and same with Epic and Gears. You're talking about two franchises that changed how their genres are played on consoles. It's kind of hard to recreate that.
First year of which Xbox? The One? What are we talking about here, Ryse? lol no
What are the big hitters left for MS these days? Forza, Halo, Gears? What's coming out? Sea of Thieves? Ok.
What are the big hitters left for MS these days? Forza, Halo, Gears? What's coming out? Sea of Thieves? Ok.
By Kibner Go To PostI just assume no Zeda game is directly related to another.That's my modus operandi as well, however I know there are links (:blaface:) between them and different timelines & shit.
The game does a good job explaining what happened in the past, so it might just be a matter of the narrative style they went with, but at the same time it kinda feels like I should know all this stuff from somewhere.
Or maybe that's exactly the point, since I / the protagonist is supposed to be remembering his past. *shyamalamanalalan.png*
By reilo Go To PostFirst year of which Xbox? The One? What are we talking about here, Ryse? lol no
What are the big hitters left for MS these days? Forza, Halo, Gears? What's coming out? Sea of Thieves? Ok.
Meant to say launch. Xbox One had better launch titles than PS4, and that carried for a while.
See your reaction to Sea of Thieves? That's what I'm saying. They're gonna get bitched at regardless. They don't have anything in their portfolio like it, and you're like eh. What I'm getting at is what's going to satisfy gamers as a whole then, and to me it's ND quality first party games, except you know, ND is elite af, and can't just be created out of nowhere. The 3rd party stuff will come and go based on install bases. Horizon came out of no where and nobody had a clue it'd be as good as it is, primarily because Guerilla did nothing but deliver trash Killzone games post KZ2.
By rodeoclown Go To PostState of Decay sold over 4 million copies. People are sleeping on 2.We talking about the same State of Decay as in this trailer?
Like, that State of Decay 2?
By Smokey Go To PostMeant to say launch. Xbox One had better launch titles than PS4, and that carried for a while.Nobody gives a fuck about Ryse, dude lol
By Smokey Go To PostSee your reaction to Sea of Thieves? That's what I'm saying. They're gonna get bitched at regardless. They don't have anything in their portfolio like it, and you're like eh. What I'm getting at is what's going to satisfy gamers as a whole then, and to me it's ND quality first party games, except you know, ND is elite af, and can't just be created out of nowhere. The 3rd party stuff will come and go based on install bases. Horizon came out of no where and nobody had a clue it'd be as good as it is, primarily because Guerilla did nothing but deliver trash Killzone games post KZ2.It's not about what type of game Sea of Thieves is, it's about the fact that it looks boring.
By reilo Go To PostWe talking about the same State of Decay as in this trailer?
Like, that State of Decay 2?
Nobody gives a fuck about Ryse, dude lol
It's not about what type of game Sea of Thieves is, it's about the fact that it looks boring.
Now SoD2 gets shit on like games haven't had bad showings lol.
I don't even know how you're debating this. The PS4 launch lineup compared to XB1s was not good. Except for Resogun which carried it for months.
It comes down to you not liking xbox's output (no problem), but that doesn't translate to 'no games'.
By rodeoclown Go To Postto say nothing of the cancellations of Phantom Dust and Scalebound, the rocky development of Crackdown, etc.
This is the thing. There are true believers who think the exclusives are coming and there's just been a temporary inconvenience that couldn't be helped.
But the above + the general silence of game announcements around the new console launch seem like a pretty clear indication that MS philosophically doesn't see tons of 1st party investment or buying exclusives as cost effective. Better to just be the platform holder and make money off Rockstar, EA & Activision's backs, while putting their chips onto digital platforms as the future.
And this is probably fine, tbh. There's a huge chunk of gamers who just play GTA/CoD/Battlefield/FIFA/Madden/2K, and the 1X offers the best place to do that, the S the cheapest. Throw in Forza vs. the way Sony have completely fumbled the racing game niche over the past half decade + Halo loyalists, and you have a profitable platform with relatively minimal outlay. I doubt they're losing a ton of sleep over not having the Nier:Automata crowd. Those people tend not to buy piles of in-game currency to catch up with others online anyway.
By Smokey Go To PostNow SoD2 gets shit on like games haven't had bad showings lol.How is it that you're missing the entire argument about quality in this whole thing? You think people are just screaming volume; we're not. Give us quality first party output, that's what you're supposed to do as a first party studio! SoD2 looks like Kickstarter trash.
And what in the world did the Xbox One lineup have? I'm not arguing the PS4 was good (or even better), I just deny that the Xbox One was stronger or better by such a noticeable degree. Like, really, what games are you talking about?
I'd love to know what happened at Naughty Dog between uncharted:df and 2.
They suddenly went from good studio to being the jewel in Sony's crown
Obviously budget plays a large part, but that jump in reputation and quality was huge, especially given that it occurred within a single franchise and a single generation
They suddenly went from good studio to being the jewel in Sony's crown
Obviously budget plays a large part, but that jump in reputation and quality was huge, especially given that it occurred within a single franchise and a single generation
By reilo Go To PostHow is it that you're missing the entire argument about quality in this whole thing? You think people are just screaming volume; we're not. Give us quality first party output, that's what you're supposed to do as a first party studio! SoD2 looks like Kickstarter trash.
And what in the world did the Xbox One lineup have? I'm not arguing the PS4 was good (or even better), I just deny that the Xbox One was stronger or better by such a noticeable degree. Like, really, what games are you talking about?
MS cancelled first party output because, in their estimation, the games were not good. You would've rather them released the games anyway?
By Hitch Go To PostI'd love to know what happened at Naughty Dog between uncharted:df and 2.I'll tell you exactly what happened: Sony realized they need to let studios define what type of studio they want to be. Everything MS has done so far is trying to re-kindle the magic and ways of the studios that used to run these IPs.
They suddenly went from good studio to being the jewel in Sony's crown
Obviously budget plays a large part, but that jump in reputation and quality was huge, especially given that it occurred within a single franchise and a single generation
People are really underestimating the role in MS shutting down and losing the studios that made their first party games great. Losing the Bungies and Epics of the world is a huge fucking problem because their replacements haven't done much to show they're at that level.
By Zabojnik Go To PostDid the last mainline Zelda before BotW (Skyward Sword?) end with a downer? Or is the sorry state of the world in BotW (Link & co. losing to Calamity Jane) something that happened in between? From what the characters are saying I assume it's the former, but idk, seems odd.
It's all explained within the game's narrative, as you unlock Link's memories (assuming you find them all). Skyward Sword is actually the very first game in the Zelda timeline, IIRC. Not the most recent (though I'm not sure where BotW takes place, or if we even know for sure).
By Smokey Go To PostMS cancelled first party output because, in their estimation, the games were not good. You would've rather them released the games anyway?Not good or they didn't want to fund them? Because I find it hard to believe that Crackdown 3 and State of Decay 2 are going to be better games than Scalebound.
We're also talking about the same Microsoft that bought Minecraft for $1 BILLION. Their priorities are all kinds of weird.
Bungie was a fuckup, but Epic is a 3rd party whose engine is used on every platform. You think they were going to sit in a relationship with MS forever?
No console is ever going digital only. Why is anyone even entertaining that idea?
Half of America has to use garbage capped internet. Not sure how RoW internet is but there’s no way anyone would do it because you can’t ask people to buy your 300GB game prepatch
Half of America has to use garbage capped internet. Not sure how RoW internet is but there’s no way anyone would do it because you can’t ask people to buy your 300GB game prepatch
By reilo Go To PostNot good or they didn't want to fund them? Because I find it hard to believe that Crackdown 3 and State of Decay 2 are going to be better games than Scalebound.
We're also talking about the same Microsoft that bought Minecraft for $1 BILLION. Their priorities are all kinds of weird.
Why? Because of who was making it? MGS V was hot trash, and it was made by one of the "best directors'. Platinum has made some garbage at one point or another. If the game was trash, the game was trash, they would know better than any of us. I'm sure they didn't sit around and say the cancellation of major exclusives is a good thing.
Everybody saw Scalebound was looking 💩. To the point where they pulled that check.
And Minecraft is crazy popular dude.
Why do we have all this faith that Microsoft knows which games are or aren't good games given their first party output since the Kinect-era? "Microsoft knows best!" but pays $1billion for Minecraft. Like, nah, I don't trust their judgment on game quality anymore. Something is completely fucked up behind the scenes because what they have shown thus far (and what they have output thus far) has been hot trash, so I don't know why we keep putting all this faith in them fixing it. They have nothing to show for it and it's 2017.
By reilo Go To PostI find it hard to believe that Crackdown 3 and State of Decay 2 are going to be better games than Scalebound.
That's a close call...I mean Crackdown looks like some rando mid-tier game that's been in development hell since the 360 era, but Scalebound also looked pretty lame imo.
State of Decay I know nothing about.
By livefromkyoto Go To PostState of Decay I know nothing about.I posted the trailer: https://slaent.com/thread/1003732/page/246/#p1317765
Tell me how much money you'd give to that Kickstarter.
You're underestimating Minecraft, tbh. That was a solid buy imo.
Days Gone is same zombie looking content that's played out and looks like C tier TLOU, but I don't see nobody talking about that.
Days Gone is same zombie looking content that's played out and looks like C tier TLOU, but I don't see nobody talking about that.
I'm not underestimating its sales and userbase potential, not one bit. But are people gonna start buying Xboxes because of it? Is that what we're asserting here? The game got huge on the PC and I just don't see it as a console mover.
By Hitch Go To PostI'd love to know what happened at Naughty Dog between uncharted:df and 2.ND have always been tech and art wizards. The stuff they pulled off in Crash and especially in the Jak trilogy with character models, animation and streaming is still impressive to this day.
They suddenly went from good studio to being the jewel in Sony's crown
Obviously budget plays a large part, but that jump in reputation and quality was huge, especially given that it occurred within a single franchise and a single generation
Take all that talent and skill and apply that to something more realistic looking and hollywood and you get the Uncharted series. They spent most of Ucharted DF's development creating their engine and lot of the tech they used for UC2 they actually developed during DF but didn't have the time to implement it.