By Dark PhaZe Go To Postcho should probably be fired, yes or no?You can't really fault him for anything. I guess the biggest shot against him is that he should've made more high risk moves... but the culture shift in Charlotte really has a lot to do with the types of guys he's brought in. At least people like playing here now. If Hayward signs here, we get a single #1 pick, or MKG doesn't die then things could've been very different.
The vets he's picked up have worked out really good for the most part too.
By Kibner Go To PostI'm a big fan of "The TEAM is nothing without M. E." approach.
By DY_nasty Go To PostYou can't really fault him for anything. I guess the biggest shot against him is that he should've made more high risk moves… but the culture shift in Charlotte really has a lot to do with the types of guys he's brought in. At least people like playing here now. If Hayward signs here, we get a single #1 pick, or MKG doesn't die then things could've been very different.
The vets he's picked up have worked out really good for the most part too.
I think the biggest knock on Cho is the drafting. How much of that is on him in that organisation i don't know. But the Hornets haven't got great returns out of the last few.
Cody and Frank are turning out ok. But just.. ok.
Remain totally unconvinced about MKG.
By rodeoclown Go To PostThe Lakers have to do everything they can to keep their pick this year because doing that means they don't owe Orlando a future first.
Originally I was hoping that we would have improved enough to not care about that pick. If we lose our pick this year we owe our 18'/19' pick to the Magic. We would keep 17'/18' to ourselves though. If we were good enough to get say the 7th pick and give that up to Philly, we would keep next year and hope the 18'/19' pick won't amount to much with another two years of improvement.
That hasn't been the case though. We're awful.
I never hear anybody talk about MKG except DY. But he gets so excited about him that I feel like I have to believe.
I can't really dog Cho on drafting. Most GMs really... when you make complete whodafuck picks and absurd reaches, sure. Absolutely. But there was solid rationale on all of his picks. Maybe you can debate MKG/Beal, but MKG was ahead of him until he died twice in the same year.
Given the hand dealt, Cho has done a solid job given a lot of bad luck too. Too many bad GMs out there to kick out a decent one that's had shit luck.
Given the hand dealt, Cho has done a solid job given a lot of bad luck too. Too many bad GMs out there to kick out a decent one that's had shit luck.
By DY_nasty Go To PostI can't really dog Cho on drafting. Most GMs really… when you make complete whodafuck picks and absurd reaches, sure. Absolutely. But there was solid rationale on all of his picks. Maybe you can debate MKG/Beal, but MKG was ahead of him until he died twice in the same year.
Given the hand dealt, Cho has done a solid job given a lot of bad luck too. Too many bad GMs out there to kick out a decent one that's had shit luck.
Oh. He's doing an ok Job. There were better players available. In retrospect, in all of those drafts. But that's easily said with hindsight.
If the Hornetts had a true franchise guy, they would be a permanent top 4 out east.
It's all bout health, and a franchise guy, for them.
By livefromkyoto Go To PostI never hear anybody talk about MKG except DY. But he gets so excited about him that I feel like I have to believe.He is very passionate about MKG
By reilo Go To PostMagic's 2nd move?
😂
By giririsss Go To PostOh. He's doing an ok Job. There were better players available. In retrospect, in all of those drafts. But that's easily said with hindsight.
If the Hornetts had a true franchise guy, they would be a permanent top 4 out east.
It's all bout health, and a franchise guy, for them.
Kemba's shooting is unreal right now, he just needs help.
I assume we're having this conversation with the understanding that they've just been throwing games since their January slump. Because if not, they've got major problems.
By giririsss Go To PostOh. He's doing an ok Job. There were better players available. In retrospect, in all of those drafts. But that's easily said with hindsight.Kemba is pretty real... but you need two stars unless you are Boston
If the Hornetts had a true franchise guy, they would be a permanent top 4 out east.
It's all bout health, and a franchise guy, for them.
By Dark PhaZe Go To PostI thought the Cody and Frank picks were susi do know that if a certain poster was their GM, they would have Myles Turner instead.
By Dark PhaZe Go To PostI thought the Cody and Frank picks were susWho would want Myles Turner?
By blackace Go To PostWho would want Myles Turner?
Turner has potential but he is atrocious on defense.
Zeller is good on defense but his offense is eh. It just depends on what you are going for, both are serviceable guys.
By livefromkyoto Go To PostKemba's shooting is unreal right now, he just needs help.I actually blame Clifford more than anything for the slump. Its classic hall of fame coaching. We've been losing the same exact way all year long. We're absolutely predictable, and worse is that he turns the team's own chemistry against itself. Guys literally forget what else they can do.
I assume we're having this conversation with the understanding that they've just been throwing games since their January slump. Because if not, they've got major problems.
As is, our offense is essentially based on Kemba PnR. Everything revolves around that. Shut it down with some efficient big help and Kemba will be dead by the 4th. Cliff hasn't managed to make Batum a reliable scorer in any capacity. Cliff doesn't try and attack defenses that switch and stick after the second pass either. Completely happy letting them off the hook. So what you have are guys who just don't know what else to do anymore. Cody just has no idea what to do if he's not setting a screen. Marvin throws up everything he touches. Marco dances in the corner... its just aimlessness.
On defense, Cliff put entirely too much responsibility on Cody. He may not be a shot blocker, but Cody's foot speed and awareness is amazing. He goes down, MKG is zombified so he thinks he's in places that he actually isn't. Oh and btw give up corner 3s to dig on EVERYTHING. Its stubbornness.
Also he should've taken Sessions and Roberts behind the woodshed months ago. We've got youngry d leaguers that can't be worse than them. Yet the backup has been a net negative all year long.
Its the consistency. Losing the same way over and over is a lesson a lot of head coaches get. Its the wall of coaching beyond keeping your job. Either you adapt or you don't. I still wish we'd kept Dunlap BTW.
By Doomsayer Go To PostTurner has potential but he is atrocious on defense.Myles was drafted two picks after Frank... so they could have had both Cody and Myles...
Zeller is good on defense but his offense is eh. It just depends on what you are going for, both are serviceable guys.
By diehard Go To Posti do know that if a certain poster was their GM, they would have Myles Turner instead.You were always my Myles draftday brother-in-arms
By s y Go To PostKemba > Lillard?They pretty close... Don't know how Kemba would look on Portland tho
I knew they were bad, but didn't know exactly how bad KAT and Wiggins' defensive off/on numbers are. I know a lot of that has to do with starters vs bench but sheesh.
110 on court, 101 off court drtg.
110 on court, 101 off court drtg.
By DY_nasty Go To Postclassic hall of fame coaching. We've been losing the same exact way all year long. We're absolutely predictable…the wall of coaching beyond keeping your job. Either you adapt or you don't.
"Mahershala Ali in....ISO: The Dwayne Casey Story."
By blackace Go To PostMyles was drafted two picks after Frank… so they could have had both Cody and Myles…
Ah, for some reason I thought Cody and Myles were the same draft. I still personally like Myles over Cody but I think Cody has made strides and is a pretty solid player.
Frank has also come into his own down the stretch. I like his game.
not really NBA related but wtf is wrong with people
saw bleacher report put up a video on IG about some 7 year old girl that wants to be the first person to ever play in the NBA and WNBA and people basically saying "they made the WNBA for a reason sit yo ass down"
this world has some serious fucking issues if we cant even like a child dream.
saw bleacher report put up a video on IG about some 7 year old girl that wants to be the first person to ever play in the NBA and WNBA and people basically saying "they made the WNBA for a reason sit yo ass down"
this world has some serious fucking issues if we cant even like a child dream.
Myles literally didn't know how to run when he was drafted.
1 season later he is shooting 52% with a per or 19+
By RobNBanks Go To Postnot really NBA related but wtf is wrong with peoplewelcome to the internet
saw bleacher report put up a video on IG about some 7 year old girl that wants to be the first person to ever play in the NBA and WNBA and people basically saying "they made the WNBA for a reason sit yo ass down"
this world has some serious fucking issues if we cant even like a child dream.
By blackace Go To Post1 season later he is shooting 52% with a per or 19+You can't make a practice of drafting guys with next level problems and expecting remarkable turnarounds...
You can't make a practice of drafting guys with next level problems and expecting remarkable turnarounds…Just got to know what you are looking at... He wasn't put together wrong like Oden, with one leg shorter than the other. And he played fairly well in college... I wouldn't say he had next level problems..
By blackace Go To PostJust got to know what you are looking at… He wasn't put together wrong like Oden, with one leg shorter than the other. And he played fairly well in college… I wouldn't say he had next level problems..He couldn't run right.
You fix his balance and all of a sudden you have to worry about his body's reaction to the new stress in one of the most physically demanding jobs there is. Even after getting right, he's still a timebomb for the next few years. It worked out, but a rebuilding team can't take fliers on guys like that. Pacers could roll those dice because at the end of the day they still had Paul George...
The Horents weren't really rebuilding tho... Drafting 10th means you juuuuust weren't good enough to go to the playoffs... That is exactly the type of team that needs to roll the dice on some high upside..
By Dark PhaZe Go To PostCan frank and Cody play together?Against certain teams. Frank at PF against quicker teams is free buckets.
By s y Go To PostI knew they were bad, but didn't know exactly how bad KAT and Wiggins' defensive off/on numbers are. I know a lot of that has to do with starters vs bench but sheesh.The only plus defender in the starting unit is Rubio. Whenever the corner is turned, it's going to be because they're a top-5 offense and just outscoring opponents. Unless there's some crazy roster shakeup.
110 on court, 101 off court drtg.
By blackace Go To PostThe Horents weren't really rebuilding tho… Drafting 10th means you juuuuust weren't good enough to go to the playoffs… That is exactly the type of team that needs to roll the dice on some high upside..You don't stop rebuilding because you signed Al Jefferson lol
You don't stop rebuilding because you signed Nic Batum lol
ftfy..
But you were bringing Batum with the idea that he would be more Scottie Pippen and less Scott Burrell..
Cody was making srides, and you bring in Lin.. I can't think of a better idea than taking the plunge on Myles.. But tbf Frank isn't a BAD player or anything.. but a center shooting under 40% has to be a little concerning..
By DY_nasty Go To PostAgainst certain teams. Frank at PF against quicker teams is free buckets.
Can Cody not play pf and can Frank not play C?
Tracy, Jalen, and Chauncey are proud that they've never seen The Matrix.
Whose fucking friends are these?
Whose fucking friends are these?
By Dark PhaZe Go To PostCan Cody not play pf and can Frank not play C?Cody is more afraid of shooting than MKG. Its really just that Cody is only good at a few things on O and none of them have to do with occupying a defender.
By blackace Go To Postftfy..We brought in Batum with the idea that he could run a significant portion of the offense and take some of the pressure off of Kemba. And as much as I hate on the guy, he's a big reason why our offense isn't stuck in the 90s. He can't score reliably, but his team impact should be one of the clearest to see in the entire league. No offense has seen the turnaround that Charlotte's has. His defense was simply a perk.
But you were bringing Batum with the idea that he would be more Scottie Pippen and less Scott Burrell..
Cody was making srides, and you bring in Lin.. I can't think of a better idea than taking the plunge on Myles.. But tbf Frank isn't a BAD player or anything.. but a center shooting under 40% has to be a little concerning..
And that Cody/Lin stuff makes zero sense. Cody's entire value on offense is his ability to assist PnR heavy guards. Lin was one of the best PnR guards in the entire league when he was here lol... we got him paid. Just like we got a ton of players paid and why I don't want to fire Cho just yet. He's increased the overall talent level on the team exponentially since he's taken over and managed to find solid vets for bargains nearly every year he's been here.
Also Frank's shooting is the price the team's had to pay for Kemba going off. Frank's out there gunning because someone has to get these bigs out the paint. Everyone talks about Kembas perimeter game, but he's made huge improvement at the rim and its because Cliff and Cho got him the stretch big he needed.
I actually liked Myles at Texas too but how many jank running bigs are in the league? They're a complete no go. One miracle story is never gonna make me comfortable rolling the dice on them.
By livefromkyoto Go To PostAw yes, game time. These next two games feel like a mini-playoff.
First rule of the NBA is no regular season game is ever y'offs.
By blackace Go To PostCody was making srides, and you bring in Lin.. I can't think of a better idea than taking the plunge on Myles.. But tbf Frank isn't a BAD player or anything.. but a center shooting under 40% has to be a little concerning..
That's the thing. Put a true franchise guy there and ... this supporting cast would probably shine.
Kemba's good, but I don't think he's franchise good.
By Sanjuro Go To PostFirst rule of the NBA is no regular season game is ever y'offs.
Mini. Nobody wants CLE in the 2nd round, and the difference between getting ATL in the first round or CHI / IND is pretty significant too.
We brought in Batum with the idea that he could run a significant portion of the offense and take some of the pressure off of Kemba. And as much as I hate on the guy, he's a big reason why our offense isn't stuck in the 90s. He can't score reliably, but his team impact should be one of the clearest to see in the entire league. No offense has seen the turnaround that Charlotte's has. His defense was simply a perk.
And that Cody/Lin stuff makes zero sense. Cody's entire value on offense is his ability to assist PnR heavy guards. Lin was one of the best PnR guards in the entire league when he was here lol… we got him paid. Just like we got a ton of players paid and why I don't want to fire Cho just yet. He's increased the overall talent level on the team exponentially since he's taken over and managed to find solid vets for bargains nearly every year he's been here.
Also Frank's shooting is the price the team's had to pay for Kemba going off. Frank's out there gunning because someone has to get these bigs out the paint. Everyone talks about Kembas perimeter game, but he's made huge improvement at the rim and its because Cliff and Cho got him the stretch big he needed.
I actually liked Myles at Texas too but how many jank running bigs are in the league? They're a complete no go. One miracle story is never gonna make me comfortable rolling the dice on them.
It doesn't make sense that you had put together a decent core that you should maybe take the guy with better tools despite having some running form issues? I understand the red flags.. but Myles has all around better game than Frank. He seems to be a better stretch at times as well.. I do like Frank's vision tho! I just can't see a center, even a stretch shooting that poorly as a something that needs to happen...
That's the thing. Put a true franchise guy there and … this supporting cast would probably shine.
Kemba's good, but I don't think he's franchise good.
I mean most middle of the range teams could use a KAT... But with a second legit star the Hornets would be mega good.
By livefromkyoto Go To PostMini. Nobody wants CLE in the 2nd round, and the difference between getting ATL in the first round or CHI / IND is pretty significant too.
I kind of want no part of Chicago.
I'm a fan first, so I want the best matchup. I can see them offering some challenges in the second season.