Actual Election Day votes rolling in are making this look really close. I'm betting he loses and it goes to a runoff with him getting 48% of the vote
By Fenderputty Go To PostAlso trump recorded robocals for GA06 and Kansas and the GOP has been sending money to GA06 as well. You're yelling at clouds
And you can fucking kiss my ass.
Blackace, adam, reilo, someone. Please delete my account. This place isn't healthy for me.
By Enron Go To PostAnd you can fucking kiss my ass.
Blackace, adam, reilo, someone. Please delete my account. This place isn't healthy for me.
Lol ok, man.
Come back in June and whine some more during the runoff
By Enron Go To PostAnd you can fucking kiss my ass.This went from 0-100 pretty quick lol
Blackace, adam, reilo, someone. Please delete my account. This place isn't healthy for me.
By s y Go To PostLet me absorb his post count.disgusting
Enron, please explain. Nunes living in his district didn't seem to make him a better politician for his district
http://www.newyorker.com/news/ryan-lizza/the-continuing-fallout-from-trump-and-nuness-fake-scandal
http://www.newyorker.com/news/ryan-lizza/the-continuing-fallout-from-trump-and-nuness-fake-scandal
It is now clear that the scandal was not Rice’s normal review of the intelligence reports but the coördinated effort between the Trump Administration and Nunes to sift through classified information and computer logs that recorded Rice’s unmasking requests, and then leak a highly misleading characterization of those documents, all in an apparent effort to turn Rice, a longtime target of Republicans, into the face of alleged spying against Trump. It was a series of lies to manufacture a fake scandal. Last week, CNN was the first to report that both Democrats and Republicans who reviewed the Nunes material at the N.S.A. said that the documents provided “no evidence that Obama Administration officials did anything unusual or illegal.”
I spoke to two intelligence sources, one who read the entire binder of intercepts and one who was briefed on their contents. “There’s absolutely nothing there,” one source said. The Trump names remain masked in the documents, and Rice would not have been able to know in all cases that she was asking the N.S.A. to unmask the names of Trump officials.
The intelligence source told me that he knows, “from talking to people in the intelligence community,” that “the White House said, ‘We are going to mobilize to find something to justify the President’s tweet that he was being surveilled.’ They put out an all-points bulletin”—a call to sift through intelligence reports—“and said, ‘We need to find something that justifies the President’s crazy tweet about surveillance at Trump Tower.’ And I’m telling you there is no way you get that from those transcripts, which are about as plain vanilla as can be.” (The White House did not respond to a request for comment.)
Even though there is now some bipartisan agreement that Nunes’s description of the intercepts was wildly inaccurate, Republicans on the House Intelligence Committee are still preparing to focus on Obama’s national-security team, rather than on Vladimir Putin’s. Last week, Democrats and Republicans finalized their witness lists, and the names tell a tale of two separate investigations. The intelligence source said, “The Democratic list involves all of the characters that you would think it would: Paul Manafort, Roger Stone, Carter Page,” speaking of the three Trump campaign officials who have been most closely tied to the Russia investigation. “The Republican list is almost entirely people from the Obama Administration.”
i have never defended Nunes, or Trump. In fact, I voted for Hillary because Trump is a deplorable piece of shit. I keep having to explain this because this thread keeps trying to make me into a Trumplestiltzken, and it's one of the reasons I'm peacing the fuck out of here.
I logged back in to respond to your attempt to paint me as a Trumpster Diver because I'd rather not leave with people thinking that (although im sure this thread will soon forget and just have another laugh at my expense, the Donald Trump Deplorable shithead who really wasn't.)
I'm sort of upset my request to delete my account hasn't happened yet. Get on it someone.
Goodbye to some of you (you know who you are), the rest ill see you in the fantasy leagues.
I logged back in to respond to your attempt to paint me as a Trumpster Diver because I'd rather not leave with people thinking that (although im sure this thread will soon forget and just have another laugh at my expense, the Donald Trump Deplorable shithead who really wasn't.)
I'm sort of upset my request to delete my account hasn't happened yet. Get on it someone.
Goodbye to some of you (you know who you are), the rest ill see you in the fantasy leagues.
By Enron Go To Posti have never defended Nunes, or Trump. In fact, I voted for Hillary because Trump is a deplorable piece of shit. I keep having to explain this because this thread keeps trying to make me into a Trumplestiltzken, and it's one of the reasons I'm peacing the fuck out of here.
I logged back in to respond to your attempt to paint me as a Trumpster Diver because I'd rather not leave with people thinking that (although im sure this thread will soon forget and just have another laugh at my expense, the Donald Trump Deplorable shithead who really wasn't.)
I'm sort of upset my request to delete my account hasn't happened yet. Get on it someone.
Goodbye to some of you (you know who you are), the rest ill see you in the fantasy leagues.
I know you Voted Clinton. When did I ever imply otherwise? IIRC I've even defended you regarding this before.
The Nunes thing was a dig, man. It's light hearted fun after yesterday's fiasco.
Crazy thing is, I was going to bring up your hatred for Trump regarding Ossof. An ossof win would signify a push towards anti trumpism. It would have sent shock waves through your party and could have served as a spark to get the GOP off of his nuts.
I can't stand conservatism, but I think every lib here wants a healthy GOP so actual compromise and governance can happen again.
By Enron Go To PostTrumplestiltzken
Trumpster Diver
Wait, don't go. I need more of these words.
I missed any disagreements you had with people over Trump. I do think that the general discussion here definitely skews left because, y'know, we have a bunch of university educated people here and conservatism has largely ceded the moral and intellectual high grounds in the cultural conversation over the past few years. But it's on the whole more moderate than a place like GAF where the group mind has little tolerance for anything that whiffs of centrism.
I think it's a shame - because a lot of the markers which identify a person as conservative are relatively innate or deeply ingrained during primary neocortex imprint: high threat orientation, disagreeability, orientation towards hierarchy, stern father vs. nurturing mother as primary social-cognitive metaphor, higher need for autonomy in sense of personal agency, higher disgust response, etc.
Which is the whole reason republicans fixed on issues which resonate with those things (and democrats on the other side of the spectrum) - consciously or unconsciously - as ways to isolate a natural voting constituency. Which means that people on the left becoming more polarized and intolerant of difference is just a waste of time trying to shout down personality dimensions that aren't going anywhere.
Which is why it also sucks that the socio-economic breakdown in the US has divided this along racial lines and made the split way uglier than it should be. An awful lot of non-whites (and non-straight people) deeply align with conservative values because they have those same personality dimensions that I listed above (people were shocked that there were hispanics who voted for Trump, but there's no mystery there), but identity politics and community pressure mean they have to vote against their beliefs. There are an awful lot of non-white people who are forced into being dishonest about what they actually believe politically.
We're in a "let's all scream at each other until the other side buckles" phase of our society, and on some major issues - race politics, gender relations - that's something we probably need to go through. But the general us-vs.-them shoutfest over every little thing is a corrosive waste of energy in most ways.
That's a lot of words to say that conservatives are morons who are routinely exploited and vote against their own self interests because the wealthy have figured out how to manipulate them based on fear, bigotry and Jesus.
By GQman2121 Go To PostThat's a lot of words to say that conservatives are morons who are routinely exploited and vote against their own self interests because the wealthy have figured out how to manipulate them based on fear, bigotry and Jesus.
No, not at all. What I'm saying is that most political orientation probably doesn't occur at the level of tertiary cognition - the conscious deciding stuff you're talking about. The overwhelming number of people - on the right or left - don't reason their way into their political position, it's determined by things that are far more 'hard wired'* in the brain. In fact a lot of conscious thought in general appears to be epiphenomenal. This is why republicans can get away with 'facts don't matter' stuff - but don't kid yourself into thinking political operatives on the left don't use those same levers.
*As a general rule don't listen to people who use this term, it doesn't mean what people who don't understand neuroscience think it means. Lots of mental faculties are plastic and non-localized. But it's an expedient shorthand for what I'm trying to say here.
Have there been any studies that isolate out people who've switched party identity? I'm curious if people would end up where they're hardwired to end up or the opposite side due to external pressures. What would the ratio be?
By Fenderputty Go To PostHave there been any studies that isolate out people who've switched party identity? I'm curious if people would end up where they're hardwired to end up or the opposite side due to external pressures. What would the ratio be?
It's very hard for people to change political orientation for a number of reasons. This article introduces some of them:
http://www.wired.co.uk/article/changing-political-beliefs
It's especially challenging in the US two-party system, where your only other viable option is diametrically opposed to your prior affiliation. It's why I don't like that system at all.
This study is close to what you're asking for, but it concludes that even swing voters have likely already made up their minds, they've just done so unconsciously:
http://science.sciencemag.org/content/321/5892/1100
By reilo Go To Post
He's already put out a statement that this is false. That being said, so did Nunes, Sessions and Flynn. So who knows. He's announced he's not returning already so this would just push that timelines up.
Speculation originally was that it was for a Governors run. However, this tweet started up a lot of speculative talk. If he leaves early it makes no sense he would be doing so for a governorship. You don't just bail on your job 3 months into a new admin if you want to run. So now people are speculating it might be a scandal. If he leaves early I'm assuming it's sexual in nature. Again ... who the fuck knows though.
What's important here IMO is that is he leaves early McMullin would probably run and win in a special election and even though McMullin is a republican, he's infinitely better than Chavetz.
Wait, he denied it? But then he un-denied it?
“I might depart early,” he said in the interview. “It’s not tomorrow, it’s not next week. If it is, it’s going to be in the months to come.”
Asked if he is resigning because of a yet-to-be revealed scandal, Chaffetz said, “Absolutely, positively not.
By Enron Go To PostI'm sort of upset my request to delete my account hasn't happened yet. Get on it someone.
lmao. i get it people are assholes but why do you think you're so special that someone has to act on your request? learn some self-control and don't come to the site.
By RobNBanks Go To Postlmao. i get it people are assholes but why do you think you're so special that someone has to act on your request? learn some self-control and don't come to the site.
I most certainly was not being an "asshole"
By reilo Go To PostWait, he denied it? But then he un-denied it?
So it's ....
"I hate doing my job and want to see if I can spin this into another cushier job"
If it's not a scandal maybe he knows something is about to blow up internally in the GOP? Russian shit? That face don't scream TV gig but whatever. CNN will hire him.
By reilo Go To PostChaffetz just wants to be a better compensated blowhard.
If it ends out that this is all it is, I'm still stoked because of McMullin.
It is funny he tweets this the same day it leaks he's gonna resign. It's just fueling the speculation lol
I'm sure you love your wife, man.Did the blonde staffer know? lol
I'm sure you love your wife, man.Did the blonde staffer know? lol
This critique of The West Wing TV show is really worth reading. His criticisms of how the approach of the Hillary campaign mirrored the show's tone are especially biting.
By GQman2121 Go To PostThat's a lot of words to say that conservatives are morons who are routinely exploited and vote against their own self interests because the wealthy have figured out how to manipulate them based on fear, bigotry and Jesus.
Interesting how people can read the same thing and come to opposite conclusions.
Here's some examples of what I mean.
Following the thread
Something so...infinitesimal is used as another way to poke at people who have differing political orientations. This isn't just one of example out of 100s generated/day.
#45 is the president we deserve in the zero-sum dimension.
Everything about this is hilarious.
https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/trump-puts-eu-ahead-of-britain-in-trade-queue-l7t8zwn7k
Apparently he tried 10 times to negotiate a trade deal with Germany directly and Germany said fuck off you gotta deal with the EU. So now he flips his stance and leaves the U.K. out to dry.
Brexiters can get fucked and so can the rust belt voter. He's flipped his stance on China due to NK and Kushner expanding the trump brand in China. He's softened on Nafta and Mexican tariffs and now he negotiating free trade with the EU
Curious what UK SLAENT thinks about this. Borris looks like a fool lol
https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/trump-puts-eu-ahead-of-britain-in-trade-queue-l7t8zwn7k
Apparently he tried 10 times to negotiate a trade deal with Germany directly and Germany said fuck off you gotta deal with the EU. So now he flips his stance and leaves the U.K. out to dry.
Brexiters can get fucked and so can the rust belt voter. He's flipped his stance on China due to NK and Kushner expanding the trump brand in China. He's softened on Nafta and Mexican tariffs and now he negotiating free trade with the EU
Curious what UK SLAENT thinks about this. Borris looks like a fool lol
Sanders is wrong that reproductive rights (or gay rights, for that matter) are separate from economic issues. The ability to control reproduction is central to women’s social, professional, and economic stability, and the women most likely to require abortion services and to be negatively affected by restrictions on access to reproductive health care are poor and low-income women, disproportionately women of color.http://nymag.com/thecut/2017/04/bernie-sanders-and-tom-perez-must-not-abandon-womens-rights.html?mid=fb-share-thecut
But he and Perez were also wrong to view compromising on abortion as part of a pragmatic political path forward and to hold up an aggressively anti-abortion Democrat as some exemplar of progressivism’s future.
TL:DR; Bernie campaigning for anti-women's rights candidates and Perez stating that reproductive rights are on the table for the Dems to negotiate...
http://m.dailykos.com/story/2017/4/21/1654905/-Why-Did-Chaffetz-Resign-It-Will-All-Come-Out-in-the-Laundering
What a freaking read. If any of that is true ... whew
What a freaking read. If any of that is true ... whew
By Fenderputty Go To PostEverything about this is hilarious.
https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/trump-puts-eu-ahead-of-britain-in-trade-queue-l7t8zwn7k
Apparently he tried 10 times to negotiate a trade deal with Germany directly and Germany said fuck off you gotta deal with the EU. So now he flips his stance and leaves the U.K. out to dry.
Brexiters can get fucked and so can the rust belt voter. He's flipped his stance on China due to NK and Kushner expanding the trump brand in China. He's softened on Nafta and Mexican tariffs and now he negotiating free trade with the EU
Curious what UK SLAENT thinks about this. Borris looks like a fool lol
Idiots voted for brexit and natural selection is at work. People are mad at how much more everything costs now and still blaming immuhgrunts and the EU.
History has demonstrated that people will always blame the other guy no matter the cost.
Rust belt voters still have their unions up here, and there hasn't been a large wave of layoffs from the Big 3...yet. It does not appear that Right to Work has made the impact that some thought it would.
Rust belt voters still have their unions up here, and there hasn't been a large wave of layoffs from the Big 3...yet. It does not appear that Right to Work has made the impact that some thought it would.
Melenchon should look up how "First Hitler, Then Us!" went for Germany's communists.
(Macron will win easily regardless).
(Macron will win easily regardless).
Macron has "won" round 1. Very relived.
Now get the rest sorted so we can brush Le Pen and her cronies to the side up until the next election process.
Now get the rest sorted so we can brush Le Pen and her cronies to the side up until the next election process.
https://apnews.com/c810d7de280a47e88848b0ac74690c83
(An aide talks about the president's address to Congress.)
TRUMP: A lot of the people have said that, some people said it was the single best speech ever made in that chamber.
AP: You seem like you enjoyed it.
TRUMP: I did. I did. I believed in it and I enjoyed it. It was a great feeling to introduce the wife of a great young soldier who died getting us very valuable information. Have you seen the tremendous success? … That's another thing that nobody talks about. Have you seen the tremendous success we've had in the Middle East with the ISIS (an abbreviation for the Islamic State group)? When (current Iraqi Prime Minister Haider al) Abadi left from Iraq, he said Trump has more success in eight weeks than Obama had in eight years. … We have had tremendous success, but we don't talk about it. We don't talk about it.
AP: Do you mean you don't talk about it personally because you don't want to talk about it?
TRUMP: I don't talk about it. No. And the generals don't talk about it.
TRUMP: I think (I) can to an extent. But there's a, there's a basic hard-line core that you can't break though, OK, that you can't break through. There's a hard-line group you can't break through, you can't. It's sad. You can't. Look, I met with Congressman Cummings and I really liked him, a lot. Elijah Cummings (of Maryland). I really liked him a lot. And during the conversation because we have a very strong mutual feeling on drug prices. He came to see me, at my invitation, because I saw him talking about, he came to see me about drug prices because drug prices are ridiculous. And I am going to get them way, way, way down and he liked that. He said you will be the greatest president. He said you will be, in front of five, six people, he said you will be the greatest president in the history of this country.when is someone going to put a muzzle over this rabid cunt's mouth
AP: He disputed that slightly.
TRUMP: That's what he said. I mean, what can I tell you?
AP: Yeah.
TRUMP: There's six people sitting here. What did he, what, what do you mean by slightly?
AP: He said, he said that he felt like you could be a great president if and then —
TRUMP: Well he said, you'll be the greatest president in the history of, but you know what, I'll take that also, but that you could be. But he said, will be the greatest president but I would also accept the other. In other words, if you do your job, but I accept that. Then I watched him interviewed and it was like he never even was here. It's incredible. I watched him interviewed a week later and it's like he was never in my office. And you can even say that.
By Francis Go To PostMacron has "won" round 1. Very relived.Eh. The center-left candidate won in the first round in Argentina. But in the second round the right wing candidate won.
Now get the rest sorted so we can brush Le Pen and her cronies to the side up until the next election process.
I wouldn't be so relieved yet
By reilo Go To Post
Uhhh random? Why? How much lumber do we import? Does the 20% tax save jobs or just increase the cost of building something?
Why? IDK, who the fuck knows with Trump? Starting trade wars with your closest ally is kinda fucking weird.
From what I understand this doesn't affect NAFTA. Is this useless grandstanding to piss off Canada because they taxed some of our Milk?