At a certain point, the people that voted for Obama twice but switched to Trump in 2016 will hear nothing but week after week of negative stories about him -- and not even manufactured by the press. Remember his SOTU address that changed everything? Neither does anyone else.
And this motherfucker got elected months later. How can you let someone under investigation for treason get elected as POTUS
Because America, n8. America. "Fuck your PC culture, I'ma go vote for a women harassing and assaulting lying deplorable that can't structure two sentences together because he's like me and I take him seriously not literally!"
By reilo Go To Post
Huh, woulda been nice to know.
Comey has played an interesting roll in all this hasn't he? He clearly could have mentioned this investigation during the campaign when he dropped the emails publicly. That being said, the Dems who assume he's a GOP stooge are clearly wrong too. The GOP full on hates his ass right now and after this briefing the relationship with only sour more. Had Comey NOT dropped the email bomb, Trump would have likely let him go.
I'm kinda thinking he underestimated the roll the emails had (he was privilege to the same polling we were all getting) and possibly didn't want to reveal his cards about something more sinister regarding the Russian ties.
Either way his roll looks more complex than once assumed IMO.
I think Comey got pissed at Trump throwing his administration under the bus in recent months and making shit up. He's not a fan of the GOP's, but he's clearly complicit in the email bullshit last year.
By KingGondo Go To PostTo be clear, I don't think my friend thinks that way and he's mentioned being annoyed by his friend's "trolling" (oh those alt-righters sure love to "troll" by saying racist shit constantly), but I think some technically-minded people can be more susceptible to ideologies like libertarianism.
Its based on their belief that their is a proper "way" to do things. The same linear mind set that makes them good engineers also means that if they come to believe something they will go about it in the same factual matter of fact (because that is how it works) ways of doing things. Being a zealot actually doesn't require a lot of out the box training. You basically apply a script (or a program/diagram) that you believe is right to a real world application.
By reilo Go To Post
Huh, woulda been nice to know.
https://patribotics.blog/2017/01/17/dear-mr-putin-lets-play-chess-louise-mensch-trump-russia/
Someone posted this on GAF but I have been sharing it a lot..... It is conspiracy theory as fuck but more and more of it keeps being confirmed. The biggest thing was Comey wouldn't want to say anything early in an ongoing investigation because that isn't how those things run. Him saying something now is likely that they are working their way up and feel pretty secure they will get some convictions. I am not sure that it goes all the way to trump but by the time this is through I expect a lot ofTrump's top people to be on trial and Trump to basically to be a pariah in DC and across the country.
That doesn't explain him publicly talking about "reopening the investigation into Hillary's emails" before they knew what was in it -- and it turned out to be a giant pile of horseshit.
I just found out that Comey was questioned regarding Trumps tweet claiming the FBI said no collusion between his campaign and russia pretty much real time. LMFAO.
Twitter has been a wild thing .
Twitter has been a wild thing .
By reilo Go To PostThat doesn't explain him publicly talking about "reopening the investigation into Hillary's emails" before they knew what was in it – and it turned out to be a giant pile of horseshit.
read the link it covers that and says the NY office forced his hand. Either he comes out and says it our they come out and say it and then add that he knew about it but tried to cover it up which would of made the current investigation impossible because his reputation would of been stained.
But some readers will say, Russian moles in the NSA – OK, it’s a worthy target. Why would the Russians have sleeper moles in a mere FBI criminal field office, even if it is New York? And the answer to that is simple; a corrupt FBI NY Field Office guards the interest of Russian mobsters, allows them to launder their money through Trump’s “failing” casinos and building projects, makes sure that Trump being paid double for a Florida house doesn’t get investigated, allows paedophile Jeffrey Epstein to keep a mansion in New York City, ensures that Trump’s criminal taxes don’t get investigated, and sits hard enough on the NYPD that Trump can commit crime after crime in plain sight, socializing with the FBI’s most wanted mobsters, and never get charged with a damn thing. It ensures that Manafort and Stone can live in Trump tower, that Cohen’s trips on Russian-Registered private jets get washed. It allows the “FBI” to be next to the media, including the New York Times and Fox news, and act as un-named law enforcement sources. The FBI Field Office in New York wasn’t just infiltrated by your agents to scupper Hillary Clinton, Mr. Putin. It was there to guard the money of your billionaires and to cover the tracks of your handlers in the Russian embassy and consulates. That’s why the dead security guard at the Russian consulate never got investigated. You have a lot of people in New York, and they are very affable, pleasant folks, too. I’ve met a couple.
Like I know it sounds conspiracy as fuck.... but the email issue did originate in the NYC office, Rudy had known about it earlier and was gloating about it..... The longer we get from the publishing of that article the more it ends up being proven right
By livefromkyoto Go To Post
Ladies and gentlemen, the most powerful man in the world.
Also I wonder if the fake wiretap claim is what forced the FBI to just come out and admit this stuff is happening. Like in Hindsight I think that was Trump's attempt to frame it as the FBI having it out for him, but it was so crude everyone saw it for the bullshit it was....... but it also made it clear that Trump was looking for ways to continue to discredit the FBI and the IC in general.
So for a recap:
A. Comey confirmed FBI is investigating Trump / his admin and possible ties to the Russian hacking of the DNC.
B. We already know Russia hacked the DNC and the RNC. The RNC info wasn't leaked to the public.
C. Trump tried to play politics and say the FBI confirmed no ties exist between Russia and his admin.
D. In real time Comey and CO. are asked about Trumps erroneous tweet so they can correct his outlandish remarks. That the report Trump is referencing has nothing to do with the ongoing investigation. lol
E. The FBI stated they don't start an investigation like this without evidence. Simply having relations with Russian organizations isn't considered evidence. So there must be something there.
F. FBI confirmed Obama never had them wiretap Trump. Ever. Not once.
G. Trump still digs his heels in regarding the wiretaps.
Next Monday's Senate hearing sans Nunes is going to be bonkers.
A. Comey confirmed FBI is investigating Trump / his admin and possible ties to the Russian hacking of the DNC.
B. We already know Russia hacked the DNC and the RNC. The RNC info wasn't leaked to the public.
C. Trump tried to play politics and say the FBI confirmed no ties exist between Russia and his admin.
D. In real time Comey and CO. are asked about Trumps erroneous tweet so they can correct his outlandish remarks. That the report Trump is referencing has nothing to do with the ongoing investigation. lol
E. The FBI stated they don't start an investigation like this without evidence. Simply having relations with Russian organizations isn't considered evidence. So there must be something there.
F. FBI confirmed Obama never had them wiretap Trump. Ever. Not once.
G. Trump still digs his heels in regarding the wiretaps.
Next Monday's Senate hearing sans Nunes is going to be bonkers.
How does the chair of the intelligence committee not know who Roger Stone is? How?
I mean, these motherfuckers are so power drunk they can't even be bothered to hide their corruption.
I mean, these motherfuckers are so power drunk they can't even be bothered to hide their corruption.
O man I watched most of the hearing and that gave me so much life. It was hilarious seeing the stark difference between Dems and Republicans. Dems came prepared and answered tough questions that got us the best we could hope for in no comment lol. Meanwhile Republicans were scrambling with their shitty defense and deflecting.
Also shoutout to my congressman Eric Swalwell. Loved all his questions and hell I was tempted to drive down to his office down the street and tell his staff to say thanks on my behalf.
Also shoutout to my congressman Eric Swalwell. Loved all his questions and hell I was tempted to drive down to his office down the street and tell his staff to say thanks on my behalf.
Requested by President Donald Trump, the amendment includes perks for restive conservatives who wanted optional work requirements and block granting in Medicaid, as well as a potential olive branch to wary centrists who demanded more help for older Americans to buy insurance, POLITICO has learned.Look at this fucking bullshit. This is only being done so they can curry enough favor to stay in power. Fucking shameless.
The amendment would establish a reserve fund of at least $75 billion for tax credits to help the core constituency that propelled Trump to the White House: Americans between 50 and 64, who would see their premiums skyrocket under the current repeal plan. But the amendment would not set up the tax credits – it would instruct the Senate to do so, forcing House Republicans to take a vote on something the upper chamber would do later.
By reilo Go To PostLook at this fucking bullshit. This is only being done so they can curry enough favor to stay in power. Fucking shameless.
These changes make it less likely it passes the senate. The way they're approaching healthcare isn't currying them any favor.
The Congressional Budget Office recently said that around 24 million fewer Americans would have health insurance in 2026 under the Republican repeal plan than if the current law stayed in place.
But one piece of context has gone little noticed: The Republican bill would actually result in more people being uninsured than if Obamacare were simply repealed. Getting rid of the major coverage provisions and regulations of Obamacare would cost 23 million Americans their health insurance, according to another recent C.B.O. report. In other words, 1 million more Americans would have health insurance with a clean repeal than with the Republican replacement plan, according to C.B.O. estimates.
https://www.nytimes.com/2017/03/21/upshot/fewer-americans-would-be-insured-with-gop-plan-than-with-simple-repeal.html
http://www.cnn.com/2017/03/21/politics/generals-defend-state-department-funding-congress/index.html
Bet Trump won't tweet about it
A small army of retired three- and four-star generals launched a mission on Capitol Hill Tuesday: to defend the State Department against drastic budget cuts proposed by the Trump administration.
Bet Trump won't tweet about it
Trump travel ban - L
Trump wall - L
Trump healthcare - L
But I guess he's brought a few jobs back at the expense of international relations and the health of the planet but still it's a plus?
Trump wall - L
Trump healthcare - L
But I guess he's brought a few jobs back at the expense of international relations and the health of the planet but still it's a plus?
By reilo Go To PostHas Mr. Trump done anything more than vacationing since being sworn in and taking office? Seriously, he's been up there every friggin' weekend! And that fucker cried foul every single time Obama dared take a regular one with his family.
Ah, what a dog whistle
Not to mention he also had the least amount of vacation days (by far) when compared to his last 4 predecessors.
I find this utterly shameful.
By Francis Go To PostHas Mr. Trump done anything more than vacationing since being sworn in and taking office? Seriously, he's been up there every friggin' weekend! And that fucker cried foul every single time Obama dared take a regular one with his family.but being a president is stressful, guys
Not to mention he also had the least amount of vacation days (by far) when compared to his last 4 predecessors.
I find this utterly shameful.
By Dark PhaZe Go To PostTrump travel ban - L
Trump wall - L
Trump healthcare - L
But I guess he's brought a few jobs back at the expense of international relations and the health of the planet but still it's a plus?
He really hasn't brought any jobs back though lol
If this doesn't even get out of the house it's quite the embarrassment for not only trump, but the entire GOP itself. These recent revisions seem like a way to get the house on board while forcing Dems to filibuster in the senate to provide political cover for their failure to govern. I don't personally believe blaming dems for filibustering a bill that nobody likes will work, but it's better than doing nothing and better than passing something that will kill their voters I would assume.
Literally nobody likes this bill.
Unfortunately, the AHCA isn't dead and I'm not counting it out until the vote goes down. Republicans have long put party over country and I'm still skeptical of any of them actually voting against this.
http://www.politico.com/story/2017/03/donald-trump-vengeance-threat-236320
President Donald Trump didn’t have to issue his threat seriously — “I’m gonna come after you,” he said jokingly to a ringleader of House GOP hardliners opposing his health care bill — to be taken seriously by the 200 Republicans gathered in the Capitol basement.
One senior administration official said that what the president was suggesting was “not revenge” – just simply political “reality.” But the combination of Trump’s history of score-settling, his offhand remark at Tuesday’s conference and the significance of the looming vote has created an undercurrent of fear of retribution in the House.
A House leadership aide said the two Kentucky trips have sent a loud enough message to bring some wavering GOP lawmakers off the fence and into the fold. A top Republican strategist with close ties to the leadership called fear of presidential payback a powerful “weapon in the armament” of Speaker Paul Ryan as he wrangles votes.This thing is going to pass and a lot of people are going to suffer.
https://www.facebook.com/RBReich/posts/1512033055475952
More evidence that coincides with the patribotics link. Trump tower was a base of operations for Russian Mobsters. The Link said that Trump was basically laundering their money and now look.
More evidence that coincides with the patribotics link. Trump tower was a base of operations for Russian Mobsters. The Link said that Trump was basically laundering their money and now look.
By rodeoclown Go To PostUnfortunately, the AHCA isn't dead and I'm not counting it out until the vote goes down. Republicans have long put party over country and I'm still skeptical of any of them actually voting against this.
Yep.... but its going to bite them in the ass in 2018.
By rodeoclown Go To Posthttp://www.politico.com/story/2017/03/donald-trump-vengeance-threat-236320
This thing is going to pass and a lot of people are going to suffer.
Only way this passes is if turtle nukes the filibuster after whippIng up moderate votes, mang
President Donald Trump's former campaign chairman, Paul Manafort, secretly worked for a Russian billionaire to advance the interests of Russian President Vladimir Putin a decade ago and proposed an ambitious political strategy to undermine anti-Russian opposition across former Soviet republics, The Associated Press has learned. The work appears to contradict assertions by the Trump administration and Manafort himself that he never worked for Russian interests.
Manafort proposed in a confidential strategy plan as early as June 2005 that he would influence politics, business dealings and news coverage inside the United States, Europe and the former Soviet republics to benefit the Putin government, even as U.S.-Russia relations under Republican President George W. Bush grew worse. Manafort pitched the plans to Russian aluminum magnate Oleg Deripaska, a close Putin ally with whom Manafort eventually signed a $10 million annual contract beginning in 2006, according to interviews with several people familiar with payments to Manafort and business records obtained by the AP. Manafort and Deripaska maintained a business relationship until at least 2009, according to one person familiar with the work.
"We are now of the belief that this model can greatly benefit the Putin Government if employed at the correct levels with the appropriate commitment to success," Manafort wrote in the 2005 memo to Deripaska. The effort, Manafort wrote, "will be offering a great service that can re-focus, both internally and externally, the policies of the Putin government."
Manafort's plans were laid out in documents obtained by the AP that included strategy memoranda and records showing international wire transfers for millions of dollars. How much work Manafort performed under the contract was unclear.
Manafort has dismissed the investigations as politically motivated and misguided, and said he never worked for Russian interests. The documents obtained by AP show Manafort's ties to Russia were closer than previously revealed.
In a statement to the AP, Manafort confirmed that he worked for Deripaska in various countries but said the work was being unfairly cast as "inappropriate or nefarious" as part of a "smear campaign."
"I worked with Oleg Deripaska almost a decade ago representing him on business and personal matters in countries where he had investments," Manafort said. "My work for Mr. Deripaska did not involve representing Russian political interests."
Deripaska became one of Russia's wealthiest men under Putin, buying assets abroad in ways widely perceived to benefit the Kremlin's interests. U.S. diplomatic cables from 2006 described Deripaska as "among the 2-3 oligarchs Putin turns to on a regular basis" and "a more-or-less permanent fixture on Putin's trips abroad." In response to questions about Manafort's consulting firm, a spokesman for Deripaska in 2008 — at least three years after they began working together — said Deripaska had never hired the firm. Another Deripaska spokesman in Moscow last week declined to answer AP's questions.
The newly obtained business records link Manafort more directly to Putin's interests in the region. According to those records and people with direct knowledge of Manafort's work for Deripaska, Manafort made plans to open an office in Moscow, and at least some of Manafort's work in Ukraine was directed by Deripaska, not local political interests there. The Moscow office never opened.
Manafort has been a leading focus of the U.S. intelligence investigation of Trump's associates and Russia, according to a U.S. official. The person spoke on condition of anonymity because details of the investigation were confidential. Meanwhile, federal criminal prosecutors became interested in Manafort's activities years ago as part of a broad investigation to recover stolen Ukraine assets after the ouster of pro-Russian President Viktor Yanukovych there in early 2014. No U.S. criminal charges have ever been filed in the case.
Manafort told Deripaska in 2005 that he was pushing policies as part of his work in Ukraine "at the highest levels of the U.S. government — the White House, Capitol Hill and the State Department," according to the documents. He also said he had hired a "leading international law firm with close ties to President Bush to support our client's interests," but he did not identify the firm. Manafort also said he was employing unidentified legal experts for the effort at leading universities and think tanks, including Duke University, New York University and the Center for Strategic and International Studies.
Deripaska owns Basic Element Co., which employs 200,000 people worldwide in the agriculture, aviation, construction, energy, financial services, insurance and manufacturing industries, and he runs one of the world's largest aluminum companies. Forbes estimated his net worth at $5.2 billion. How much Deripaska paid Manafort in total is not clear, but people familiar with the relationship said money transfers to Manafort amounted to tens of millions of dollars and continued through at least 2009. They spoke on condition of anonymity because they were not authorized to discuss the secret payments publicly.
In strategy memos, Manafort proposed that Deripaska and Putin would benefit from lobbying Western governments, especially the U.S., to allow oligarchs to keep possession of formerly state-owned assets in Ukraine. He proposed building "long term relationships" with Western journalists and a variety of measures to improve recruitment, communications and financial planning by pro-Russian parties in the region.
Manafort proposed extending his existing work in eastern Europe to Uzbekistan, Tajikistan and Georgia, where he pledged to bolster the legitimacy of governments friendly to Putin and undercut anti-Russian figures through political campaigns, nonprofit front groups and media operations.
Manafort's work with Deripaska continued for years, though they had a falling out laid bare in 2014 in a Cayman Islands bankruptcy court. The billionaire gave Manafort nearly $19 million to invest in a Ukrainian TV company called Black Sea Cable, according to legal filings by Deripaska's representatives. It said that after taking the money, Manafort and his associates stopped responding to Deripaska's queries about how the funds had been used.
Early in the 2016 presidential campaign, Deripaska's representatives openly accused Manafort of fraud and pledged to recover the money from him. After Trump earned the nomination, Deripaska's representatives said they would no longer discuss the case.
I've lost faith that any of this will result in the Trump government falling apart (it's 2020 or bust imo) but the depths of corruption and duplicity are pretty astounding.
Dems need to force the nuclear option on Gorsuch. Only benefits their agenda for when they recapture government and also continues their role as obstructionists (which is what the constituents want). As I've said--let Trump and the reds set all these precedents so when we get back in power we can set the bipartisan shit aside and go roughshod on hitting bullet points on policy without republican interference.
Dems have a PERFECT cover for obstruction right now--and it's actually a good one. With Comey investigating Trump, it's stupid to allow a lifetime appointment to go through. Any sort of votes need to wait until the investigation is completed.
Dems have a PERFECT cover for obstruction right now--and it's actually a good one. With Comey investigating Trump, it's stupid to allow a lifetime appointment to go through. Any sort of votes need to wait until the investigation is completed.
By Dark PhaZe Go To PostDems need to force the nuclear option on Gorsuch. Only benefits their agenda for when they recapture government and also continues their role as obstructionists (which is what the constituents want). As I've said–let Trump and the reds set all these precedents so when we get back in power we can set the bipartisan shit aside and go roughshod on hitting bullet points on policy without republican interference.
Dems have a PERFECT cover for obstruction right now–and it's actually a good one. With Comey investigating Trump, it's stupid to allow a lifetime appointment to go through. Any sort of votes need to wait until the investigation is completed.
Was thinking the exact same thing. Let the clowns use the nuke option now and be short sighted. All the BS that's happening in this presidency is setting up the next Democratic President to go hard AF. Hopefully that's in 4 years rather than 8.
You have to obstruct Gorsuch. The GOP is losing political capital with healthcare, and if this Russian thing continues to just drip leaks out, the dems have the political capital to obstruct. Strategically it makes sense too. They're either going nuclear or not. The argument that we wait for a worse pick to replace RBG doesn't hold weight IMO. If they're willing to go nuclear now they can go nuclear anytime. I suspect McConnell doesn't want that. Especially with the AHCA crap. Let the Dems filibuster the insanity that comes from the house and then try and blame them for the GOP not doing anything prior to 2018.
There was an article I read yesterday about the stock market reacting downward from the initial high / bump because the market is going to assume the inability to pass healthcare will have rippling affects. It will lag and stall development of a tax proposal as well as his budget. If he doesn't get anything done in his first year not much will get done in year two because it's a year that leads up to the mid terms. Not getting a SCOTUS appointment would be the ultimate L on top.
I personally think Gorsuch is a slight step leftward in that he seems to think a woman's vagina is her own to run, but he's a corporate shill. That being said. A 4-4 court is much more leftward than a 4-5 (scalia) or a 4-4.5 (Gorsuch). There are some really important cases coming up too. Specifically the Wisconsin gerrymandering case here that will go to the supreme court. A split 4-4 decision would basically uphold Wisconsin's ruling. The case could go 5-3 with Kennedy swinging leftward this time because the last time he ruled on this he wanted a way to formulate the effects of gerrymandering and this suit does that. Still ... a 4-4 is almost assured if Gorsuch is successfully blocked.
A good article on why Kennedy may flip
There was an article I read yesterday about the stock market reacting downward from the initial high / bump because the market is going to assume the inability to pass healthcare will have rippling affects. It will lag and stall development of a tax proposal as well as his budget. If he doesn't get anything done in his first year not much will get done in year two because it's a year that leads up to the mid terms. Not getting a SCOTUS appointment would be the ultimate L on top.
I personally think Gorsuch is a slight step leftward in that he seems to think a woman's vagina is her own to run, but he's a corporate shill. That being said. A 4-4 court is much more leftward than a 4-5 (scalia) or a 4-4.5 (Gorsuch). There are some really important cases coming up too. Specifically the Wisconsin gerrymandering case here that will go to the supreme court. A split 4-4 decision would basically uphold Wisconsin's ruling. The case could go 5-3 with Kennedy swinging leftward this time because the last time he ruled on this he wanted a way to formulate the effects of gerrymandering and this suit does that. Still ... a 4-4 is almost assured if Gorsuch is successfully blocked.
A good article on why Kennedy may flip
The question now really is how long until Trump realizes its easier to join forces with the FC and push policy that fits their agenda than to try to walk the balance beam. It's a question of if actually gettings things done, even if they hurt and ignorant base puts Republicans in a better position than constant stonewalling by his own party.
Walking into 2020 with a record of barely getting things done with historical power for his party is going to be a death sentence.
Walking into 2020 with a record of barely getting things done with historical power for his party is going to be a death sentence.
They're in an impossible position. Anything that would satisfy the Freedom Caucus can't pass the Senate.
By KingGondo Go To PostThey're in an impossible position. Anything that would satisfy the Freedom Caucus can't pass the Senate.
I think the FC realizes if they can hold on and show their power here, that Trump will be more willing to budge to their ideology, because quite rankly he doesn't have the time to fuck around. The clock is ticking. The FC are basically immune to his fuckery because their supporters aren't going away, Trump twitter tirade or no.
It wouldn't surprise me that something FC approved could get through the senate. The more moderate side is a lot more susceptible to Trumps attacks and influence. Trump could determine its better to just get stuff done, regardless, and use his misinformation campaign and rally's to help the moderates that do go with the extreme agenda.
By Dark PhaZe Go To PostI think the FC realizes if they can hold on and show their power here, that Trump will be more willing to budge to their ideology, because quite rankly he doesn't have the time to fuck around. The clock is ticking. The FC are basically immune to his fuckery because their supporters aren't going away, Trump twitter tirade or no.
It wouldn't surprise me that something FC approved could get through the senate. The more moderate side is a lot more susceptible to Trumps attacks and influence. Trump could determine its better to just get stuff done, regardless, and use his misinformation campaign and rally's to help the moderates that do go with the extreme agenda.
Trump running everything through the FC first ensures Turtle never nukes the filibuster so moderate senate R's have the political cover of Dem obstruction. Gonzo is right. They're between a rock and a hard place. They unified around trump, but the fractures that existed in the party before the election still do now. Healtchare is especially divided due to the Medicaid expansion.
With the potential of the travel ban and health care bill both being huge L's, there's no way Trump wouldn't bring the entire weight of his influence on Mitch to get Gorsuch through. I don't know that I see Mitch being able to withstand the pressure that would come his way.
Gorsuch will get through, right? It's just a matter of whether the Dems have the guts to force the filibuster nuke.
By KingGondo Go To PostGorsuch will get through, right? It's just a matter of whether the Dems have the guts to force the filibuster nuke.
FP's response to my suggesting Trump might start embracing FC ideology in order to get things done would result in Mitch opting not to use the nuclear option.
The timing doesn't really lineup convenient for Mitch to have an excuse not to use it however. Trump has had too many L's and he'll want this done.
I can't believe the Trump Tower Russian mafia thing turned out to be real. He's even been photographed with the guy in a VIP box.