Maddow...think you need to go have a seat for 6 months or so if not longer for that stunt. She's delivered a near fatal blow to the tax returns argument now by falling for that trap.
Gotta pray Comey doesn't essentially do the same thing to the Russia argument or Trump is going to have the best two days of his presidency by some margin.
Gotta pray Comey doesn't essentially do the same thing to the Russia argument or Trump is going to have the best two days of his presidency by some margin.
But then why does Trump tweet out something like this? There is no trap, it's still only two pages for taxes in the year 2005.
whatever descriptor you want to use is whatever, point being she ran positive news for trump that she frankly shouldn't have ran and tried to hype it up as a gotcha
By Dark PhaZe Go To Postwhatever descriptor you want to use is whatever, point being she ran positive news for trump that she frankly shouldn't have ran and tried to hype it up as a gotchaI don't watch Maddow so I didn't see the way she handled it, but correct me if I'm wrong, I read in the Neogaf tread that she did try to give it a lot of context and wanted to make sure that this is only a couple of pages from 2005. I don't see how that's hyping it up.
And also Trump doesn't see it as a win, I get the feeling he is rather scared for more tax leaks.
By Dark PhaZe Go To PostMaddow…think you need to go have a seat for 6 months or so if not longer for that stunt. She's delivered a near fatal blow to the tax returns argument now by falling for that trap.
Gotta pray Comey doesn't essentially do the same thing to the Russia argument or Trump is going to have the best two days of his presidency by some margin.
She has castigated herself. Good journalism, like scholarship, typically isn't exciting stuff that can be curated and disseminated in 140 characters.
Folks still shook that Trump is president. The 50-day mark was March 12. He hasn't done shit.
By Fenderputty Go To PostLmfao he just had his second Muslim ban blocked …
Get fucked you piece of shit
A federal judge in Hawaii has frozen President Trump’s new executive order temporarily barring the issuance of new visas to citizens of six-Muslim majority countries and suspending the admission of new refugees.
U.S. District Judge Derrick K. Watson froze the order nationwide.
Watson was the second of three judges to hear arguments Wednesday on whether to freeze the ban. A federal judge in Maryland said he also could rule before day’s end after a morning hearing, and the same federal judge in Washington state who suspended Trump’s first travel ban was set to hear arguments starting at 5 p.m. Eastern.
The hearing in Hawaii came in response to a lawsuit filed by the state itself. Lawyers for Hawaii alleged the new travel ban, much like the old, violates the establishment clause of the First Amendment because it is essentially a Muslim ban, hurts the ability of state businesses and universities to recruit top talent and damages the state’s robust tourism industry.
They pointed particularly to the case of Ismail Elshikh, the imam of the Muslim Association of Hawaii, whose mother-in-law’s application for an immigrant visa was still being processed. Under the new executive order, lawyers for Hawaii said, Elshikh feared that his mother-in-law would ultimately be banned from entering the United States.
“Dr. Elshikh certainly has standing in this case. He, along with all of the Muslim residents in Hawaii face higher hurdles to see family because of religious faith,” lawyer Colleen Roh Sinzdak said at the hearing. “It is not merely a harm to the Muslim residents of the state of Hawaii, but also is a harm to the United State as a whole and is against the First Amendment itself.”
Justice Department lawyers argued that the president was well within his authority to impose the ban, and that those challenging it had raised only speculative harms.
“They bear the burden of showing irreparable harm … and there is no harm at all,” said Acting U.S. Solicitor General Jeffrey Wall, who argued on behalf of the government in Greenbelt, Md. in the morning and by phone in Hawaii in the afternoon.
The arguments were similar at the hearing in Maryland, where a federal judge peppered both sides with pointed questions about whether the revised executive order would harm Muslims, refugees and the organizations that serve them.
“I think we’ve been going for quite a while,” U.S. District Judge Theodore D. Chuang said after the nearly two-hour hearing. “I appreciate everyone’s advocacy. . . . I’ll try to issue a written ruling — hopefully today, but not necessarily.”
The president’s new executive order will suspend the U.S. refugee program for 120 days, halt for 90 days the issuance of new visas to people from six Muslim-majority countries and reduce the number of refugees allowed to enter the United States this year from 110,000 to 50,000.
By Dark PhaZe Go To PostMaddow…think you need to go have a seat for 6 months or so if not longer for that stunt. She's delivered a near fatal blow to the tax returns argument now by falling for that trap.
Gotta pray Comey doesn't essentially do the same thing to the Russia argument or Trump is going to have the best two days of his presidency by some margin.
Given the speed of the current media climate, nobody will even remember this in three days. I don't think it's really damaged anything.
That said, I've become somewhat skeptical of the Russia conspiracy, at least insofar as Trump master plans and him being taken down go. A lot of it seems to be premised on undercooked assumptions.
This article is a really sobering read on the subject:
New York Review of Books - Russia: The Conspiracy Trap
vigorous reporting by multiple news media organizations is turning up multiple contacts between Trump associates and Russians who serve in or are close to Mr. Putin’s government. There have been courtesy calls, policy discussions and business contacts, though nothing has emerged publicly indicating anything more sinister….Former diplomats and Russia specialists say it would have been absurd and contrary to American interests for the Trump team to avoid meetings with Russians, either during or since the campaign.
By livefromkyoto Go To PostGiven the speed of the current media climate, nobody will even remember this in three days. I don't think it's really damaged anything.
That said, I've become somewhat skeptical of the Russia conspiracy, at least insofar as Trump master plans and him being taken down go. A lot of it seems to be premised on undercooked assumptions.
This article is a really sobering read on the subject:
New York Review of Books - Russia: The Conspiracy Trap
Tell tell Games: "The people who voted for Trump will remember this."
By livefromkyoto Go To PostGiven the speed of the current media climate, nobody will even remember this in three days. I don't think it's really damaged anything.
That said, I've become somewhat skeptical of the Russia conspiracy, at least insofar as Trump master plans and him being taken down go. A lot of it seems to be premised on undercooked assumptions.
This article is a really sobering read on the subject:
New York Review of Books - Russia: The Conspiracy Trap
the tax thing was already losing steam for maddow, with this as a defense now its basically dead
as for russia, I don't think the hope is that trump is a traitor or anything so insane, just that there's a scandal big enough to undermine him enough to make 2020 re-election a longshot
something flat out impeach on the spot worthy isn't going to happen, but I think there's still hope for something to make him look bad
Are you guys paying attention to the insanity of this press conference going on right now?
This happens, and so now Spicer is up there saying Obama got the UK to do it so it wouldn't show up on US books, and they'll have evidence "in two weeks." (What, is it being mailed to them?)
Reporters straight up laughing out loud at his answers. Some challenge his sources on this, one even saying "the senate committee is quoting the FBI director. You're quoting Sean Hannity."
My grandchildren are never going to believe me about these years.
I mean, everything he does makes him look bad. And yet, 43% of the US approves of the job he's doing, 30% "strongly approve." He's like some incompetence-fuelled political tulpa.
This happens, and so now Spicer is up there saying Obama got the UK to do it so it wouldn't show up on US books, and they'll have evidence "in two weeks." (What, is it being mailed to them?)
Reporters straight up laughing out loud at his answers. Some challenge his sources on this, one even saying "the senate committee is quoting the FBI director. You're quoting Sean Hannity."
My grandchildren are never going to believe me about these years.
By Dark PhaZe Go To Postsomething flat out impeach on the spot worthy isn't going to happen, but I think there's still hope for something to make him look bad
I mean, everything he does makes him look bad. And yet, 43% of the US approves of the job he's doing, 30% "strongly approve." He's like some incompetence-fuelled political tulpa.
By livefromkyoto Go To PostAre you guys paying attention to the insanity of this press conference going on right now?Wow... that's just.... wow.....
This happens, and so now Spicer is up there saying Obama got the UK to do it so it wouldn't show up on US books, and they'll have evidence "in two weeks." (What, is it being mailed to them?)
Reporters straight up laughing out loud at his answers. Some challenge his sources on this, one even saying "the senate committee is quoting the FBI director. You're quoting Sean Hannity."
My grandchildren are never going to believe me about these years.
So apparently British intelligence didn't think too highly of that theory, and now the US has issued a formal apology for yesterday's White House press conference.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/03/17/us-makes-formal-apology-britain-white-house-accuses-gchq-wiretapping/
By The TelegraphSean Spicer, Mr Trump's press secretary, repeated a claim on Thursday evening – initially made by an analyst on Fox News - that GCHQ was used by Mr Obama to spy on Trump Tower in the lead-up to last November's election.
The comments prompted a furious response from GCHQ, which in a break from normal practice issued a public statement: "Recent allegations made by media commentator Judge Andrew Napolitano about GCHQ being asked to conduct 'wiretapping' against the then president-elect are nonsense. They are utterly ridiculous and should be ignored."
Intelligence sources told The Telegraph that both Mr Spicer and General McMaster, the US National Security Adviser, have apologised over the claims. "The apology came direct from them," a source said.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/03/17/us-makes-formal-apology-britain-white-house-accuses-gchq-wiretapping/
Well tbf, that might have been true as previous allegations of that was out in 2013, but for a President to use that statement in public, with another head of state beside him at a pc is just ridiculous.
When you guys have the time, I highly recommend this new article from The New Yorker. It's about Robert Mercer, the man behind the Trump campaign, Bannon, Breitbart, and the alt-right in general. It's written by Jane Mayer who you may know from her investigations on the Koch Bros. and dark money in US politics.
Full read here: http://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2017/03/27/the-reclusive-hedge-fund-tycoon-behind-the-trump-presidency
Last month, when President Donald Trump toured a Boeing aircraft plant in North Charleston, South Carolina, he saw a familiar face in the crowd that greeted him: Patrick Caddell, a former Democratic political operative and pollster who, for forty-five years, has been prodding insurgent Presidential candidates to attack the Washington establishment. Caddell, who lives in Charleston, is perhaps best known for helping Jimmy Carter win the 1976 Presidential race. He is also remembered for having collaborated with his friend Warren Beatty on the 1998 satire “Bulworth.” In that film, a kamikaze candidate abandons the usual talking points and excoriates both the major political parties and the media; voters love his unconventionality, and he becomes improbably popular. If the plot sounds familiar, there’s a reason: in recent years, Caddell has offered political advice to Trump. He has not worked directly for the President, but at least as far back as 2013 he has been a contractor for one of Trump’s biggest financial backers: Robert Mercer, a reclusive Long Island hedge-fund manager, who has become a major force behind the Trump Presidency.
Full read here: http://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2017/03/27/the-reclusive-hedge-fund-tycoon-behind-the-trump-presidency
By Perfect Blue Go To PostWhen you guys have the time, I highly recommend this new article from The New Yorker. It's about Robert Mercer, the man behind the Trump campaign, Bannon, Breitbart, and the alt-right in general. It's written by Jane Mayer who you may know from her investigations on the Koch Bros. and dark money in US politics.
Full read here: http://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2017/03/27/the-reclusive-hedge-fund-tycoon-behind-the-trump-presidency
Its funny how engineers and computer experts tend to become the worse kind of zealots. In Mercer case the Libertarian movement aka radical conservative.
By Zeus Ex Machina Go To PostIts funny how engineers and computer experts tend to become the worse kind of zealots. In Mercer case the Libertarian movement aka radical conservative.I was recently in New Zealand visiting my good friend, and he introduced me to his friend who was a dyed-in-the-wool alt-right racist piece of shit. I don't think my friend agrees with him for the most part, but I personally couldn't hang around someone like that.
I always thought of my friend as apolitical but he's an engineer, and it definitely made me go hmm. Most of these people don't rate terribly highly on the empathy scale.
It's weird because 95% of engineers I've ever worked with are as liberal as they get. It's always been people in management positions I found to be conservative, especially the money people.
To be clear, I don't think my friend thinks that way and he's mentioned being annoyed by his friend's "trolling" (oh those alt-righters sure love to "troll" by saying racist shit constantly), but I think some technically-minded people can be more susceptible to ideologies like libertarianism.
At this point you have to ignore anyone in the administration or any of their apologists in the media.
It would be like being Russian and getting pissed off at lies and doublespeak from the Kremlin. At a certain point you have to focus on more productive things.
It would be like being Russian and getting pissed off at lies and doublespeak from the Kremlin. At a certain point you have to focus on more productive things.
But the normalization of the outright lying by official state media is unprecedented to this degree, especially in response to an open interview/press statement like this by a federal official to reporters.
By reilo Go To PostBut the normalization of the outright lying by official state media is unprecedented to this degree, especially in response to an open interview/press statement like this by a federal official to reporters.I don't think it's being normalized by anyone except Trump-sympathetic media. I predict that as soon as the first major crisis hits (that isn't of their own making), they'll wish that they had broad credibility with the American public.
In possibly related news, his approval ratings hit a new low over the weekend.
By KingGondo Go To PostIn possibly related news, his approval ratings hit a new low over the weekend.It's like he is trying to take health care away from millions and millions of people.
By rodeoclown Go To PostIt's like he is trying to take health care away from millions and millions of people.He'll try to offload the blame to Ryan when it inevitably crashes and burns. And it'll probably work because Ryan is not only an ideological fraud but also pretty dumb overall.
By KingGondo Go To PostHe'll try to offload the blame to Ryan when it inevitably crashes and burns. And it'll probably work because Ryan is not only an ideological fraud but also pretty dumb overall.100%. This is why Trump has insisted on not associating himself too closely with it and why he's having Breitbart (state-sponsored media) write negative things about Ryan and the AHCA.
The misinformation about the ACA is really staggering, though. These people have been eating up these conspiracies about it for eight years (remember death panels? I once got a phone call from my mom about them) and didn't really know what it was until it was going to be taken away from them and they realize they need it.
People still confuse Obamacare and ACA as two separate things. The disinformation campaign was incredible, especially for a piece of legislation that was very favorable to the pharmaceutical and insurance industry.
By KingGondo Go To PostHe'll try to offload the blame to Ryan when it inevitably crashes and burns. And it'll probably work because Ryan is not only an ideological fraud but also pretty dumb overall.
It might work on some but most won't go for that. Unless he comes out and blasts this thing, it's his to own. He was the one that campaigned on "Cheaper better coverage for all" ... Ryan did not.
By reilo Go To Post
But that's not what Comey said… smh
One would think that an innocent person would be totally content letting an investigation play out, but clearly it's the DEEEEEEEP STATE working to get him.
By Fenderputty Go To PostIt might work on some but most won't go for that. Unless he comes out and blasts this thing, it's his to own. He was the one that campaigned on "Cheaper better coverage for all" … Ryan did not. .Trump is craven and shameless enough to say that he never supported the AHCA. He doesn't care and neither do his hardcore supporters.
By KingGondo Go To PostTrump is craven and shameless enough to say that he never supported the AHCA. He doesn't care and neither do his hardcore supporters.
His die hards may care if they lose their insurance or, if their current imploding Obamacare isn't addressed though. If it isn't his, why didn't he do a better job of making sure it would be good enough to be his. Where's his guidance and leadership? His negotiation skills.
Like you said, his approval rating are getting lower and lower. That's healthcare related IMO, and not Russian Hacking or Obamatapping gate that's driving those numbers.