By cashman Go To PostJust how deep are George Soros's pocketsHe must he backlogged. I'm still waiting for my women's march and SFO protest checks!.
By reilo Go To PostIs 25% of the time "most"?
This isn't about any one guy. It's about the Blue Dogs in general, and I said as much in my last post.
By Fenderputty Go To PostSnowden is a POS but, this is pretty funnyHuh? Why?
I don't really understand North Korea
From my extremely limited knowledge, they have neither the allies for any decisive victory against anyone, or the resources for a drawn out war, yet they continue to goad others with their missile tests.
Having said that though, is there actually a way of testing your capabilities for such missiles without encroaching on international waters?
From my extremely limited knowledge, they have neither the allies for any decisive victory against anyone, or the resources for a drawn out war, yet they continue to goad others with their missile tests.
Having said that though, is there actually a way of testing your capabilities for such missiles without encroaching on international waters?
By Perfect Blue Go To PostHuh? Why?
He lost all my love when he sold info to foreign states.
By Fenderputty Go To PostHe lost all my love when he sold info to foreign states.When you're siding with Trump on an issue, you should take a moment an reconsider.
By Fenderputty Go To PostHe lost all my love when he sold info to foreign states.Can you link me to proof he did this? It's the first I'm hearing about it.
got a hunch that some wouldn't be so ready with the fud re snowden if trump was prez instead of obama when he leaked that shit
By Red Blaster Go To Postgot a hunch that some wouldn't be so ready with the fud re snowden if trump was prez instead of obama when he leaked that shitObviously. Snowden did good, and his own country fucked him over later. People seem to be so very narrow minded about the implications of what he showed us and how much he sacrified of his own life to do so
By Red Blaster Go To Postgot a hunch that some wouldn't be so ready with the fud re snowden if trump was prez instead of obama when he leaked that shitIf he voted for Hillary he'd be considered great by his detractors. The fact that he wasn't #TeamHilldawg 100% that makes Snowden an enemy to supposed real "progressives", thus he should be executed. In the minds of certain individuals unless you are 100% on their side, you are an enemy.
By Elchele Go To PostObviously. Snowden did good, and his own country fucked him over later. People seem to be so very narrow minded about the implications of what he showed us and how much he sacrified of his own life to do so
Snowden was a traitor and did serious damage to national security. The public might never know about the scope of the damage he caused.
"Snowden did good and the country fucked him over" ????
Snowden committed an act of treason and ran instead of standing up for what he believed in and fighting it in court. Fuck off with the "did good shit". Dude is a coward.
Snowden committed an act of treason and ran instead of standing up for what he believed in and fighting it in court. Fuck off with the "did good shit". Dude is a coward.
I am not a fan of this move, it's clear this is russia trying to see if something as meaningless could work as a way to give Trump an excuse to keep his side of the bargain and remove the Sanctions. Fuck that keep hurting those bastard Oligarchs pockets.
Also do we want to see a trump regime go after a whistleblower? Weall know it would lead to a EO that favors businesses and gov't agencies.
Also do we want to see a trump regime go after a whistleblower? Weall know it would lead to a EO that favors businesses and gov't agencies.
By reilo Go To Post"Snowden did good and the country fucked him over" ????What did he do specifically that makes him a traitor? He handed over files to journalists and they released them themselves, under their own discretion. Snowden didn't actually dump or release files himself. Those files included detailed documents on how the American government was spying on its own people and others via secret and unaccountable courts. Frankly I think that is way more reprehensible to me.
Snowden committed an act of treason and ran instead of standing up for what he believed in and fighting it in court. Fuck off with the "did good shit". Dude is a coward.
You're suggesting he should have stayed and fought in court but that is essentially impossible. He was counselled by ACLU lawyers among others and they knew he would get crushed in court under the Espionage Act of 1917 which essentially makes classified files inadmissible as evidence.
By reilo Go To PostTHE STEALING OF THE FILESDaniel Ellsberg did the same and he got off free. So, what's so inherently bad about it? Honestly I'm pretty blown away that a supposedly "liberal" forum is more upset that he stole files instead of what those files actually contained like that their country was illegally spying on them.
Because I wasn't ignorant enough to believe that the NSA wasn't out there doing what their acronym stood for for the last few decades. If you were only upset that the NSA spied on the entire world in conjunction with our allies after Snowden then you've been sleeping under a rock.
By Perfect Blue Go To PostDaniel Ellsberg did the same and he got off free. So, what's so inherently bad about it? Honestly I'm pretty blown away that a supposedly "liberal" forum is more upset that he stole files instead of what those files actually contained like that their country was illegally spying on them.As stated above, the general perception would be a lot different if Trump was at office at the time and not Obama.
I'm sure he traveled through china and Russia being granted asylum for nothing because of the kindness of his hosts
By Perfect Blue Go To PostDaniel Ellsberg did the same and he got off free. So, what's so inherently bad about it? Honestly I'm pretty blown away that a supposedly "liberal" forum is more upset that he stole files instead of what those files actually contained like that their country was illegally spying on them.
The DIA did, however, reveal some details about the nature of the task force reports and the documents Snowden leaked that extend beyond government surveillance programs. In a separate declaration, David Leatherwood, the DIA's director of operations, said the task force reports contain details about:
•Military plans, weapons systems, or operations
•Foreign government information, intelligence activities (including special activities), intelligence sources, or methods or cryptology
•Foreign relations or foreign activities of the United States, including confidential sources
•Scientific, technological, or economic matters relating to national security
•United States government program for safeguarding nuclear materials or facilities
•Vulnerabilities or capabilities of systems, installations, infrastructures, projects, plans, or protection services relations to national security
•The development, production, or use of weapons of mass destruction
What's so bad lmao. Nothing just some serious state secrets, no biggie.
By Phlebas Go To PostWhat's so bad lmao. Nothing just some serious state secrets, no biggie.Yet the US government never came out and actually said how much damage "revealing" that stuff did. For all we know this is old info that was already out there or it's outdated or there's no value etc. etc. It's fair to assume if Snowden's reveals were as damaging as you supposedly claim they are, then the US government would be hammering that point home 24/7 in the past 4 years. And making the Snowden narrative about those leaks and not the spy stuff. And frankly that is not the case, so I can't agree that the bad leaks outweigh the good.
It's pretty viscerally disturbing to see what the NSA is doing, but nothing about PRISM is fundamentally surprising, or frankly, wrong. The US government has to have some level of unaccountability in order to perform its role in the world. It's just the truth.
Snowden seriously underestimated what he was doing, and he had a fundamentally uninformed, and optimistic view of the distribution of power among nation states.
Treason? I don't know. Feels like bravado. Leaking files and trying to wash his hands of it by blaming the media is pretty dumb. I don't think he's a coward, but he might be one of the stupidest smart people alive.
Snowden seriously underestimated what he was doing, and he had a fundamentally uninformed, and optimistic view of the distribution of power among nation states.
Treason? I don't know. Feels like bravado. Leaking files and trying to wash his hands of it by blaming the media is pretty dumb. I don't think he's a coward, but he might be one of the stupidest smart people alive.
By Perfect Blue Go To PostDaniel Ellsberg did the same and he got off free. So, what's so inherently bad about it? Honestly I'm pretty blown away that a supposedly "liberal" forum is more upset that he stole files instead of what those files actually contained like that their country was illegally spying on them.Don't assume that a "liberal" shouldn't also be patriotic. Appealing to your perceived attitude of an internet discussion board as some sort of measure for an argument is fucking laughable.
By butt Go To PostDon't assume that a "liberal" shouldn't also be patriotic. Appealing to your perceived attitude of an internet discussion board as some sort of measure for an argument is fucking laughable.Hm? I never assumed they can't be patriotic. You can be patriotic and not agree with everything your country does...
By Perfect Blue Go To PostHm? I never assumed they can't be patriotic. You can be patriotic and not agree with everything your country does…Well I apologize if I'm projecting, but I don't think that the academic liberal attitude that shames American government is a useful point of view. I honestly don't find much fault in my government spying on me, or Google hoarding my searches for that matter. Maybe I'm a liberal radical, but I just don't see that as a good ground to wage a battle on.
By butt Go To PostWell I apologize if I'm projecting, but I don't think that the academic liberal attitude that shames American government is a useful point of view. I honestly don't find much fault in my government spying on me, or Google hoarding my searches for that matter. Maybe I'm a liberal radical, but I just don't see that as a good ground to wage a battle on.That's fair. I can understand that viewpoint way more than the "Snowden is a traitor execute him!" view.
I don't think Snowden should be executed, I do think he should stand trial. If Ellsberg is his analog, then Snowden should do what he did and surrender himself to the courts, but he ran, and ran to the Russians of all places.
Prudent quote by Ellsberg:
Prudent quote by Ellsberg:
I felt that as an American citizen, as a responsible citizen, I could no longer cooperate in concealing this information from the American public. I did this clearly at my own jeopardy and I am prepared to answer to all the consequences of this decision.
By Perfect Blue Go To PostThat's fair. I can understand that viewpoint way more than the "Snowden is a traitor execute him!" view.Yea, that level of sensationalism among conservatives is alarming for sure. There is a strange history in this country of making executions into reality TV productions.
Snowden has bigger balls than me, so I feel uncomfortable calling him a traitor. I do wish he had chosen to come back and face a trial, though.
By Fenderputty Go To PostI'm sure he traveled through china and Russia being granted asylum for nothing because of the kindness of his hostsThey are known for that
About Snowden?
Frankly he stole the files, and should be brave enough to be put on court. If you believe in a cause you should at least stand up for it.
He did it with good intentions, but the dude has suspect decision making. Remember this guy also thought that you shouldnt vote for Trump or Hillary.
Frankly he stole the files, and should be brave enough to be put on court. If you believe in a cause you should at least stand up for it.
He did it with good intentions, but the dude has suspect decision making. Remember this guy also thought that you shouldnt vote for Trump or Hillary.
Some bonkers articles out tonight, I'll post them later.
- Details on the inner workings of the National Security Council, including that 31 year-old Stephen Miller is leading meetings.
- Trump responded to the NK missile launch by reading relevant documents on a public dining patio at his shitty resort, and since the only lighting was moonlight and candles, aides were using their camera flashlights (real secure there guys) so Abe and Trump could read the docs.
- Details on the inner workings of the National Security Council, including that 31 year-old Stephen Miller is leading meetings.
- Trump responded to the NK missile launch by reading relevant documents on a public dining patio at his shitty resort, and since the only lighting was moonlight and candles, aides were using their camera flashlights (real secure there guys) so Abe and Trump could read the docs.
I think we have all been there.
Starting Civ for the first time, thinking that this should be easy, I'm smart enough to win this shit, and 3 hours later wondering why the fuck all the countries just declared war and why are the citizens so unhappy.
That's Trump.
Starting Civ for the first time, thinking that this should be easy, I'm smart enough to win this shit, and 3 hours later wondering why the fuck all the countries just declared war and why are the citizens so unhappy.
That's Trump.
By Kibner Go To PostWhy is Miller's age relevant?Unless he's some kind of prodigy or genius there is no way he has the experience or knowledge necessary for that kind of position at that age.
Besides his age, what in his background or experience makes you think he's qualified to lead a meeting of senior intelligence and military officials?
NK is basically fucking up lol. I mean Trump was on the verge of scaling back in Asia... Now with Abe in the US they do this and Abe has to ask Trump to standfast in Japan, and just a few days ago he made better ties with China, so I wouldn't be shocked to see China back off of NK..
By KingGondo Go To PostUnless he's some kind of prodigy or genius there is no way he has the experience or knowledge necessary for that kind of position at that age.Bring up experience and background, then. Don't be lazy and just throw out his age.
Besides his age, what in his background or experience makes you think he's qualified to lead a meeting of senior intelligence and military officials?
By KingGondo Go To PostUnless he's some kind of prodigy or genius there is no way he has the experience or knowledge necessary for that kind of position at that age.Even if he is older, and the experience, he would still be non qualified.
Besides his age, what in his background or experience makes you think he's qualified to lead a meeting of senior intelligence and military officials?
Miller is a jewish (!) hardcore white supremacist.
I'm assuming this is one of the articles
https://mobile.nytimes.com/2017/02/12/us/politics/national-security-council-turmoil.html?smid=tw-share&referer=http://m.neogaf.com/showthread.php?t=1343501
https://mobile.nytimes.com/2017/02/12/us/politics/national-security-council-turmoil.html?smid=tw-share&referer=http://m.neogaf.com/showthread.php?t=1343501
Two people with direct access to the White House leadership said Mr. Flynn was surprised to learn that the State Department and Congress play a pivotal role in foreign arms sales and technology transfers. So it was a rude discovery that Mr. Trump could not simply order the Pentagon to send more weapons to Saudi Arabia — which is clamoring to have an Obama administration ban on the sale of cluster bombs and precision-guided weapons lifted — or to deliver bigger weapons packages to the United Arab Emirates.
By blackace Go To PostNK is basically fucking up lol. I mean Trump was on the verge of scaling back in Asia… Now with Abe in the US they do this and Abe has to ask Trump to standfast in Japan, and just a few days ago he made better ties with China, so I wouldn't be shocked to see China back off of NK..
China doesn't want an immigration problem of religious zealots..... they will do everything they can to keep that hornet nest locked up.
By s y Go To Postthat's what his apartment actually looks like?
Good Lord.
By Elchele Go To Postthat's what his apartment actually looks like?
Good Lord.
Money can't buy taste..... or an understanding of the constitution.....
By Kibner Go To PostBring up experience and background, then. Don't be lazy and just throw out his age.His age is shorthand for "inexperienced and unqualified" in this situation.
Nobody who is that age should be serving in that kind of capacity. I don't care how smart they are.
China doesn't want an immigration problem of religious zealots….. they will do everything they can to keep that hornet nest locked up.
Now that Trump has decided to jump on board with the 1 China agreement.. China really doesn't need NK to fuck that up for them. Kind of interesting how this has played out so far.. It could have been SO much worse..
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