Politics | 2017 | Decent human being defeats literal pedophile and piece of shit in a close senate election, signaling hope to America

Fascists don't play by the rules, and neither can you. Hopefully its not too late by the time you realise its time to fight.

These people are advocating a politics - a politician - that looks to collapse non-violent dissent as an option. And defines "dissent" broadly and maliciously. I just don't know what to say to anyone who thinks that these racist, militaristic apologists for Putin, state surveillance, and corporate secrecy have an authentic commitment to free speech - that the left is terribly, terribly letting their side of the argument down when a Nazi gets clocked. Or when a fire is lit. A university should be a dangerous place for a fascist. An uncomfortable place for authoritarians. Generally a horrible and hostile place to be for people who hate diversity.

It's probable that there'll come a day when people look for the conventional means of civic resistance and they won't be there. Anyone looking at these scenes of local violence in isolation from that is going to be inclined to make some "refereeing a kid's soccer game" calls and grievously miss the fucking point.

The idea that protest is morally obliged to maintain a symmetrical intensity - to be proportionate - is daft. It's work to change minds and to diminish the ardour and capacity of people you disagree with. Not to keep pace with them. Not to be a foil.

What Bold said. If you're conditioned to extend your moral understanding to violence only when it's delivered by a figure in a uniform, well, fascism has shitloads of that.

By Pennywise Go To PostWhich will not fly either way. Merkel is the outcome that's gonna happen most likely, with a big coalition. However, another option is on the horizon with the SPD gaining over 5% in polls since they unveiled their chancellor candidate, so there might be a different coalition. Martin Schulz is the candidate for the SPD and prior to that, he was President of the European Parliament for quite some time. So however that election is going, Germany certainly won't change their ways.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Martin_Schulz

Bonus video :

Schulz kicking a Greek right wing party member out of the EU Parliament. Don't forget to enable subs.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J3IgEo9fYAA

Completely agreed—though I'm always nervous of being too complacent.

I've got a lot of respect for Schulz and remember another incident he was involved in when the UKIP 'politician' Godfrey Bloom shouted Nazi slogans at him. My god, those ridiculous racists with their little flags are an embarrassment. I'm sure the EU parliament will be better without them.


Incidentally, I see you are from Germany — what's your take on Geert Wilders?

1. Trump threatening funding for UCB is terrible.

2. The pro-violence responses to Milo talking about Halloween costumes are the words of useful idiots. Go read The Gulag Archipelago. ANTIFA is looking for their next Kulak.

Fascism isn't a political viewpoint, it's a violent ideology about exterminating anyone considered inferior. Having the high moral ground doesn't matter when not fighting for with fire means they'll just kill you

The problem is that ANTIFA are fascists that practice fascism, but get away with it via the simplest slight of hand. The ANTIFA gambit is to call a group neonazis so you can be neonazis to them. It's a quick misdirection and a perverse way to manipulate current morals to do awful things. By their own literature, they target the disenfranchised. So do neonazi groups. So does any fringe and violent upheaval group. You always target those that feel they are owed something and then you give them a gelatinous group that stole that something from them. You then rile them up via propaganda and let them loose. You specifically look for people whose ethical backbone has been corrupted by personal circumstance to achieve your rather nasty goals.

It's nice to hold the morale high ground, when it comes to protests.

But if USA keeps sliding into a fascist state, I'd be sorely disappointed if more aggressive protests arent taken. There are some measures you have to take when you know that things will just get worse.

And honestly with Trump? It's an actual possibility.

By Bold 2 in One Go To PostI don't know, how would you react to a Hitler youth?

You mean, 10 year old children who would be forced to join or be threatened to be taken away from their families?

That's no Hitler youth that's a grown ass woman that can make her own decisions about the genocide of races

https://mobile.twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/827112633224544256

Diet support of the alt right? Fuck it if he wants another civil war lets do it then.

By Dark PhaZe Go To Posthttps://mobile.twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/827112633224544256

Diet support of the alt right? Fuck it if he wants another civil war lets do it then.

Oh my god.

Yeah, fight for this Americans. It's already a fascist state.

look at his cabinet and EOs, ain't nothing diet about it.

More Americans need to rise up, unite against this common enemy, no more straddling the fence, know your history, or forfeit your future and repeat it.

no more single issue voting, and I am referring to minorities, liberal whites, non-whites and women, (resist now because together you outnumber these regressive cunts) because eventually, they will come for you too.

By Spengo Go To PostCompletely agreed—though I'm always nervous of being too complacent.

I've got a lot of respect for Schulz and remember another incident he was involved in when the UKIP 'politician' Godfrey Bloom shouted Nazi slogans at him. My god, those ridiculous racists with their little flags are an embarrassment. I'm sure the EU parliament will be better without them.


Incidentally, I see you are from the Germany — what's your take on Geert Wilders?

It's a general problem that there are quite a few of them within the EU, with some governments not taking those positions seriously and dropping some problematic personalities.
Oettinger is a case where 99% of the German population wouldn't understand, why he is part of the EU or having any major position within...

Geert Wilders is far more dangerous than Le Pen or the AfD party in Germany. The latter is pretty clear against any form of progression and some of their members are always stepping above the limit. Wilders is a bit different from what I've seen, but I'm not really up to date on everything.
So it's a bit harder to form a good opinion, but I really hope non of these cunts will be part of any government.
Luckily every party here already said, that the AfD won't be a coalition partner for any of them.

By DY_nasty Go To Postthat's weak - if a ground mission with that lack of planning reaches the fucking president, then its pretty obvious that people got way too used to those plans being thrown in the bushes in favor of a good old fashioned drone strike. its absolutely absurd for that level of 'surprise' to just be factored in as acceptable risk at the ground level. blaming trump for that is like blaming the rain for hitting the ground.

unless its discovered that he ordered them out of bed, buttnaked into choppers then this is ludicrous. trump gets elected and all of a sudden everyone wants to pay attention, for freedom. outstanding.

wtf is this

who gives af why people want to care now, if this is what it took for people to pay attention whats the problem?

"yall didnt care before why care now" is the worst defense for anything

By RobNBanks Go To Postwtf is this

who gives af why people want to care now, if this is what it took for people to pay attention whats the problem?

"yall didnt care before why care now" is the worst defense for anything

the fuck lol

no. i'm sorry - american complacency is the most reliable currency in the world. i'm not even saying "why care now", i'm saying that people never caring until now is how this happened to begin with. and once trump is gone, the person who replaces him with have more free reign to 'save the world' than any other president/king/emperor/prophet/etc in history

i can't wait to watch how many special provisions and powers congress and the new president create to quickly rectify the mistakes of the Trump administration while rolling back even more of the constitutional rights that have been eroding away for the past few decades. everyone will love it. hurrah. that's why i've got that particular stick up my ass. the timer is already ticking on people not giving a fuck.

people want to care now without ever looking backwards and accepting even a tiny bit of that responsibility.

i mean sure some people are gonna go back to not giving a fuck, but i think most people are gonna try their best to care. people fucked around for too long and no one wants another trump situation in the future.

if you end up being right and people go back to not giving a shit then we deserve whatever we get

By RobNBanks Go To Posti mean sure some people are gonna go back to not giving a fuck, but i think most people are gonna try their best to care. people fucked around for too long and no one wants another trump situation in the future.

naw fuck em

if it takes a trump to make you care, kick rocks. add up all that inaction prior and you can build more than a few walls...

By DY_nasty Go To PostObama never got people killed in Yemen? what in the world… all kinds of ops in Yemen and Somalia have been seeing varied success for years. Still better than nice smile/no-fly-zone and everyone clapping like its not a real declaration of war or something lol. People make it sound like we ain't been bombing hospitals, churches, and dropping hilariously excessive ordinance on -lone combatants- for decades now. War crimes never happened under other presidents. Absurd. And instead of examining the entire process, you happily point to one guy? Its just rich. Hate him instead of all of the machinations that created such an outcome and will continue to do so in the future.

yal can't blame trump for everything lol. Hell, I'm more terrified of the guy who gets elected after Trump because he'll have the most godlike blank check the world has ever seen.

I literally said none of this. I said he's under a microscope because he botched his first raid in his second week while threatening invasion of other countries. You then used your deductive skills to imply the past president was the reason Trump got bad intel and when i called that conjecture, you drop the above. This is a man who claimed he has a better military brain than his generals. If you don't get why he's under higher scrutiny right, then I simply don't know what to tell you.

Yeah, the problem with this opeeation was how unprepared the Seal team was.

By DY_nasty Go To Postnaw fuck em

if it takes a trump to make you care, kick rocks. add up all that inaction prior and you can build more than a few walls…

idk man, just like how you were on here telling people not to label all trump supporters racist because people were brainwashed or misled into believing those things, you can't just put a fuck yall blanket over everyone. gotta try to see it from their perspective as well

i dont see why this can't be someones wakeup call to let them know the way they've been approaching life needs to change. we can't afford to be complacent anymore and it sucks that people are just getting that message, but its never too late.

By Fenderputty Go To PostI literally said none of this. I said he's under a microscope because he botched his first raid in his second week while threatening invasion of other countries. You then used your deductive skills to imply the past president was the reason Trump got bad intel and when i called that conjecture, you drop the above. This is a man who claimed he has a better military brain than his generals. If you don't get why he's under higher scrutiny right, then I simply don't know what to tell you.

I said that microscope should've and could've been applied to tons of situations. Then this:

"that's weak - if a ground mission with that lack of planning reaches the fucking president, then its pretty obvious that people got way too used to those plans being thrown in the bushes in favor of a good old fashioned drone strike. its absolutely absurd for that level of 'surprise' to just be factored in as acceptable risk at the ground level. blaming trump for that is like blaming the rain for hitting the ground.

unless its discovered that he ordered them out of bed, buttnaked into choppers then this is ludicrous. trump gets elected and all of a sudden everyone wants to pay attention, for freedom. outstanding. "

And you went on about other shit. That's not conjecture. That's you going on about a ton of other shit. Something something Mexico. Something something great military mind. Blah blah ....wait, you then you implied that there would've been an investigation under the Obama administration. Like war crimes, failed operations, mass civilian casualties, killed hostages, dead soldiers, etc in hot beds never happened or something lol. Not only did they NOT happen, that administration made it a habit of making sure that they didn't happen. But you clearly aren't trying to have that argument. No one is. Because its a waste of time. It may as well be an American presidential tradition to make sure that those war crimes, complete debacles, and national embarrassments stay away from the light for a long as possible.

On topic, "Bad intel" is laughably and wholly subjective and not only that, it can almost never, ever be quantified. To say that Trump though is the sole reason a 'bad' operation got pushed is dismissive of so many procedures and entire levels of command and approvals that its plainly stupid. Its downright stupid. All that is blaming Trump because it makes some people feel better and keeps the news feed going. Does anyone blame Obama for the chopper carrying a full team of SF getting shot down after a route put it right over an area where MANPADs were known to have been trafficked in the past? Of course not. This is just as, no, more ridiculous than papers running with the story that Hillary almost passed out during the OBL raid.

'if you don't get why he's under high scrutiny' - ???? why are you even trying to do that

that is so lame

cmon

come on

everyone here should be above that

Hopefully Commander Spicer will clear some things up from the non scripted questions he'll take today.

You posted your conjecture again and then widdled my argument down to "Mexico blah blah military mind blah blah" and then pretend you're on some moral high ground. There's a strawman or two in there as well. I can't even ...

By Smokey Go To PostHopefully Commander Spicer will clear some things up from the non scripted questions he'll take today.

He should just copy paste DY's post and level up their "what aboutism" game

By RobNBanks Go To Postidk man, just like how you were on here telling people not to label all trump supporters racist because people were brainwashed or misled into believing those things, you can't just put a fuck yall blanket over everyone. gotta try to see it from their perspective as well

i dont see why this can't be someones wakeup call to let them know the way they've been approaching life needs to change. we can't afford to be complacent anymore and it sucks that people are just getting that message, but its never too late.

Again, if Trump winning is what 'woke you up', then you've been sitting on the fence for countless issues where a stance and action was needed.

Also why I'm particular frustrated regarding this Yemen stuff. How good was the intel when drones were knocking off whole family trees and double tapping the emergency response?

But but but but Trump! Naw.... that's bs

By Fenderputty Go To PostYou posted your conjecture again and then widdled my argument down to "Mexico blah blah military mind blah blah" and then pretend you're on some moral high ground. There's a strawman or two in there as well. I can't even …

You're acting like I'm not specifically talking about the Yemen incident still.

and what high ground? bro

By Fenderputty Go To PostSure it's not the fault of the man with a "great military mind" and the media shouldn't pay attention while he's trashing our allied relationships and threatening an invasion of Mexico, Yemen and now Iraq again. If this happened under Obama we would of had 8 years of congressional investigation. I guess I'll have to settle with your conjecture though

the bolded will always be bullshit lol

and you can't attribute a military operations failure to a president - that's wholly dismissive of the hundreds if not thousands attached to it long before it even becomes a y/n option at the highest echelon. that doesn't even make sense.

By DY_nasty Go To PostBut but but but Trump! Naw…. that's bs
You're acting like I'm not specifically talking about the Yemen incident still.

Oh no I got that

Ok let's step aside the fact that civilians were killed in the Yemen operation. The soldiers were still dropped onto a reinforced al Qaeda base defended by landmines, snipers, and a larger than expected contingent of heavily armed Islamist extremists.

Not to mention:

Mr. Trump’s new national security team, led by Mr. Flynn, the former head of the Defense Intelligence Agency and a retired general with experience in counterterrorism raids, has said that it wants to speed the decision-making when it comes to such strikes, delegating more power to lower-level officials so that the military may respond more quickly. Indeed, the Pentagon is drafting such plans to accelerate activities against the Qaeda branch in Yemen.

These strikes can easily become a massacre if they decide this is the way to go. It was done under the approval of the Commander In Chief, hence Trump's fault.

By FlutterPuffs Go To PostOk let's step aside the fact that civilians were killed in the Yemen operation. The soldiers were still dropped onto a reinforced al Qaeda base defended by landmines, snipers, and a larger than expected contingent of heavily armed Islamist extremists.

Not to mention:

These strikes can easily become a massacre if they decide this is the way to go. It was done under the approval of the Commander In Chief, hence Trump's fault.

because nothing important is ever defended

I hope people don't think every AQ and IS leader just sleeps in a Hoilday Inn Express

By GQman2121 Go To PostThe riots in Baltimore nearly two years ago changed my out outlook on how real change can be reached, and in some cases, expedited via violence.

Even though all of the cops who were involved in Freddie Gray breaking his neck and dying got off, the rioting and the attention it drew has led to actual steps being made for police reform. We have a new major and police chief. I see body cameras on cops regularly downtown and the DOJ is just waiting to lay the smackdown on any and all who fuck up first.

So positive things have happened at some glass breaking, a CVS being looted and burnt down (it's back now) and a few cops in riot gear being hit with rocks.

So if that bitch had to get sprayed in the face so her and the scumbags like her get some attention then so be it.

Her and everyone involved with Breitbart can fucking die in those flames for all I care. That's probably a bit extreme but something needs to offset these soft cunts on the left and this is how I honestly feel. I too can have zero empathy for human life.

Andrew Breitbart died on my birthday and I've praised black Jesus and Allah every year since for blessing me with such a beautiful gift. 🙃

Yes.

Our bodies can pile up in the streets but nothing happens until the collateral costs someoe else money, from busted businesses, to an insurance claim on a vandalized car, or people like Sage Steele (almost) missing flights for business.

But the results here were under Obama. This is a LAW AND ORDER president. We might get another Bloody Sunday or two. We'll see. It's only WEEK 2.

By Dark PhaZe Go To Postthe same reality where a reality tv star hijacks the republican party and does the shit he's doing right now

throw whatever you thought was the norm out the window

Most people here consider themselves progressives and can't agree on things like a fillabuster of a SCOTUS nom. There are people--muslims, (white) women, Hispanics--who voted for Trump.

There isn't even have a legit third party option on the left. Libertarians and Tea Party has traction.

By DY_nasty Go To Postbecause nothing important is ever defended

I hope people don't think every AQ and IS leader just sleeps in a Hoilday Inn Express

It's about having a proper plan to get through the base, and execute the operation with the least amount of collateral damage. This they could have.

Instead, even the Pentagon reported that it was a clusterfuck.

By DY_nasty Go To Postthe bolded will always be bullshit lol

and you can't attribute a military operations failure to a president - that's wholly dismissive of the hundreds if not thousands attached to it long before it even becomes a y/n option at the highest echelon. that doesn't even make sense.

Benghazi didn't happen? If this happened in Obama's two weeks the GOP would have latched on just as tight. Why even play like they wouldn't have?

By Fenderputty Go To PostBenghazi didn't happen? If this happened in Obama's two weeks the GOP would have latched on just as tight. Why even play like they wouldn't have?

Benghazi?

That can't be the only military disaster you got...

By FlutterPuffs Go To PostIt's about having a proper plan to get through the base, and execute the operation with the least amount of collateral damage. This they could have.

Instead, even the Pentagon reported that it was a clusterfuck.

Even the best plan can go to shit and the worst plan can go off without a hitch. Unless there's a massive, gigantic issue (like where I said that guys were ordered out of bed, buttnaked into a chopper) then this everyone is just throwing shit at a wall that Trump's name happens to be on.

By DY_nasty Go To PostBenghazi?

That can't be the only military disaster you got…
Even the best plan can go to shit and the worst plan can go off without a hitch. Unless there's a massive, gigantic issue (like where I said that guys were ordered out of bed, buttnaked into a chopper) then this everyone is just throwing shit at a wall that Trump's name happens to be on.

From Reuters:

US military officials told Reuters Mr Trump approved his first covert counter-terrorism operation without sufficient intelligence, ground support, or adequate backup preparations.

So yes, it's his fault.

By DY_nasty Go To PostBenghazi?

That can't be the only military disaster you got…

The opposition only needs one to cling onto and hammer for years on end.

By FlutterPuffs Go To PostFrom Reuters:

So yes, it's his fault.

If that is all true, that operation should've never even been on his desk. Simple.

By Fenderputty Go To PostThe opposition only needs one to cling onto and hammer for years on end.

Yeah, you're focusing on the political bickering. Not the blown up hospitals and doubletapping drone strike shit...

By DY_nasty Go To PostYeah, you're focusing on the political bickering. Not the blown up hospitals and doubletapping drone strike shit…

Political bickering is why my comment isn't and won't always be bullshit, man. If this happened in Obama's first two weeks, especially with reports of moving ahead with poor intel, it would have dogged him for 8 years. No fucking way it wouldn't have. To say otherwise is simply ignoring the politics of the time.

You keep focusing on the specifics of Yemen and act like all the other politics surrounding this 2 week shit storm got nothing to do with why there's a microscope. Maybe he can kick out the Washington Post and the NY Times like he did CNN and subject himself to further scrutiny. How many more allied nations will he hang up on and insult? How many more will he threaten invasion?

This isn't a vacuum and his campaign is fresh in our memories.

By Fenderputty Go To PostPolitical bickering is why my comment isn't and won't always be bullshit, man. If this happened in Obama's first two weeks, especially with reports of moving ahead with poor intel, it would have dogged him for 8 years. No fucking way it wouldn't have. To say otherwise is simply ignoring the politics of the time.

You keep focusing on the specifics of Yemen and act like all the other politics surrounding this 2 week shit storm got nothing to do with why there's a microscope. Maybe he can kick out the Washington Post and the NY Times like he did CNN and subject himself to further scrutiny. How many more allied nations will he hang up on and insult? How many more will he threaten invasion?

This isn't a vacuum and his campaign is fresh in our memories.

Again, the microscope I'm talking about is the one on military operations. And 'politics of the time'? broooo - Obama got a peace prize for just showing up in 2009 lmao. That's how ridiculous the world is when it comes to following up a boogieman of president.

If people truly gave a fuck, they'd have applied this microscope to all kinds of shit in the past instead of when its just about polls.... I really thought you'd at least google the last few people killed by drone strikes in the region or those responsible for the AC-130 plastering a hospital in Afghanistan. Any day now the GOP will begin the inquiries on Obama's drone war. Any day now.

Obama's extra-judicial drone strikes are a stain on his legacy. I thought we all agreed on that?

By DY_nasty Go To PostAgain, the microscope I'm talking about is the one on military operations. And 'politics of the time'? broooo - Obama got a peace prize for just showing up in 2009 lmao. That's how ridiculous the world is when it comes to following up a boogieman of president.

If people truly gave a fuck, they'd have applied this microscope to all kinds of shit in the past instead of when its just about polls…. I really thought you'd at least google the last few people killed by drone strikes in the region or those responsible for the AC-130 plastering a hospital in Afghanistan. Any day now the GOP will begin the inquiries on Obama's drone war. Any day now.

The microscope he's under is much MORE than just the military. The military is one of many aspects in which this microscope will focus on. Holy shit man. If the dude wasn't an egotistical fuckwad who's bringing in fascists to help him govern he wouldn't be getting this. You think Jeb! would have got this level of scrutiny? You think it's just about polls? What the fuck does a Nobel Peace prize have to to with OUR political climate during Obama's first term? Hint: Nothing. The GOP gave no fucks about that shit and neither did their constituents. It's hilarious you think I don't know the girl killed was the sister of someone killed by Obama too. You're correct in that people should give a shit about these things prior to a fascist taking over our government, but if people paid that much attention in the first place we wouldn't have elected the fascist.

Every little thing he's doing right now will be scrutinized and it will happen for the reasons I've listed.

By HasphatsAnts Go To PostObama's extra-judicial drone strikes are a stain on his legacy. I thought we all agreed on that?

Yes.

And he is no longer president, soooooooooo.............who is Commander in Chief now?

whoever it is, the buck stops there.

By Fenderputty Go To PostThe microscope he's under is much MORE than just the military. The military is one of many aspects in which this microscope will focus on. Holy shit man. If the dude wasn't an egotistical fuckwad who's bringing in fascists to help him govern he wouldn't be getting this. You think Jeb! would have got this level of scrutiny? You think it's just about polls? What the fuck does a Nobel Peace prize have to to with OUR political climate during Obama's first term? Hint: Nothing. The GOP gave no fucks about that shit and neither did their constituents. It's hilarious you think I don't know the girl killed was the sister of someone killed by Obama too. You're correct in that people should give a shit about these things prior to a fascist taking over our government, but if people paid that much attention in the first place we wouldn't have elected the fascist.

Every little thing he's doing right now will be scrutinized and it will happen for the reasons I've listed.

how many more ways can i say that i'm talking about this specific thing and its specific kind of scrutiny you're killing me

I guess we shouldn't pay extra close attention when a fascist is taking over the white house then. It isn't fair game because of past presidents' fuck ups. Carry on.

By Pennywise Go To PostIt's a general problem that there are quite a few of them within the EU, with some governments not taking those positions seriously and dropping some problematic personalities. Oettinger is a case where 99% of the German population wouldn't understand, why he is part of the EU or having any major position within…

Geert Wilders is far more dangerous than Le Pen or the AfD party in Germany. The latter is pretty clear against any form of progression and some of their members are always stepping above the limit. Wilders is a bit different from what I've seen, but I'm not really up to date on everything. So it's a bit harder to form a good opinion, but I really hope non of these cunts will be part of any government.
Luckily every party here already said, that the AfD won't be a coalition partner for any of them.

That's my impression too—he comes across a bit more polished than the others.

"The plan is simple, we kill the Batman"

By Fenderputty Go To PostI guess we shouldn't pay extra close attention when a fascist is taking over the white house then. It isn't fair game because of past presidents' fuck ups. Carry on.

how can you attack an argument i never made :o

save it for a trump supporter

By GQman2121 Go To PostCollateral damage. Similar to those civilians in Yemen that died. She's at the wrong place wearing the wrong flag. Why are you constantly sympathetic to these people? They're beyond reason and they've won. Fuck them.

I agree she was looking for a fight and got one

By Spengo Go To PostThat's my impression too—he comes across a bit more polished than the others.

"The plan is simple, we kill the Batman"

Kelly Anne Omnigul, silence her screams!

By Esch Go To Post

https://twitter.com/tommyxtopher/status/827198944665071616

I need the rest of the dems to get off their asses and started spitting that exact fire.

By EldritchTrapStar Go To PostI need the rest of the dems to get off their asses and started spitting that exact fire.

Yep, my representative is having an open house at his office this week and I'm going to bring this up.

By Esch Go To Post

https://twitter.com/tommyxtopher/status/827198944665071616

Wow ... she actually called it what it is.

By EldritchTrapStar Go To PostI need the rest of the dems to get off their asses and started spitting that exact fire.

its hilarious and sad how hard it is for her to say this