its funny how people don't think an alabama democrat isn't actually a republican too
i'm pretty sure all of this was about a guy who should be on the stand for his creeper lifestyle, but its so easy to get things mixed up these days
i'm pretty sure all of this was about a guy who should be on the stand for his creeper lifestyle, but its so easy to get things mixed up these days
By livefromkyoto Go To PostThey'll just throw that "breaking news" label on any old thing, huh.My biggest annoyance on twitter is when someone re-tweets a random ass person I don't know that writes dumb tweets like, "BREAKING: Random four letter advocacy group you never heard of denounces Trump administration's attempt to subvert America with latest memo"
By DY_nasty Go To Postits funny how people don't think an alabama democrat isn't actually a republican tooThe worst Democrat is still better than the best republican.
i'm pretty sure all of this was about a guy who should be on the stand for his creeper lifestyle, but its so easy to get things mixed up these days
By TheHunter Go To PostThe worst Democrat is still better than the best republican.Counter-argument: Joe Lieberman
Even though Doug Jones hasn't even been seated or cast a vote yet, I feel extremely confident saying he isn't a Republican and is going to be voting with the Democrat line on the vast majority of the issues.
Like, if the likes of Joe Manchin and Heidi Heitkamp can hold the Democrat line, Jones is going to be okay. Chuck Schumer is also very good at his job of making sure his party votes his way.
Like, if the likes of Joe Manchin and Heidi Heitkamp can hold the Democrat line, Jones is going to be okay. Chuck Schumer is also very good at his job of making sure his party votes his way.
Hard to think that the guy that made his life's work prosecuting the type of criminal that blow up black churches and has distinguished pro-Civil Rights Service Awards will suddenly vote to revoke the rights of the most vulnerable of our population. Just a hunch!
By reilo Go To PostHard to think that the guy that made his life's work prosecuting the type of criminal that blow up black churches and has distinguished pro-Civil Rights Service Awards will suddenly vote to revoke the rights of the most vulnerable of our population. Just a hunch!i mean, if that's all it were, sure
but lets not act like guys don't want to actually get reelected lol
By reilo Go To PostCounter-argument: Joe Lieberman
You mean "I was more or less kicked out the party" independent Joe Lieberman?
By reilo Go To PostHe's also just giving you an academic response to questions being asked. "Yea I'd consider reaching across the aisle if it benefits my constituents and the country as a whole" shouldn't amount to a "SEE HE'S A REPUBLICAN" response.
It’s Gondo
I'm just saying this: We can't run a 50 state strategy and then put these people through a purity test later and complain they aren't as far left as you want them to be. If we win Congressional seats back next year in places like Arizona, Nevada, Tennessee, Kentucky, we can't then get up in arms because they hold some viewpoints in line with their more conservative electorates.
Take a step back. Breathe. Realize that people like Bernie Sanders don't play in the South.
Take a step back. Breathe. Realize that people like Bernie Sanders don't play in the South.
Even after the Moore election, dems pulling their usual "pragmatic" shit. Maybe the pragmatic thing is to appeal to a base that's long been tossed under buses.
By Random Ass Username Go To PostEven after the Moore election, dems pulling their usual "pragmatic" shit. Maybe the pragmatic thing is to appeal to a base that's long been tossed under buses.Ok I'm wondering what would you like them to do?
I'm an environmentalist so I will be interested to hear; my issues has been run over by EVERYONE so many times you can't even identify the body.
This ain't bout no purity test tho, playa. For example, I wouldn't even care if he said Obamacare is the greatest shit ever or whatever. Just like I don't even care that Northam ain't about that universal healthcare life either.
You know why I still like the fuck out of Northam though? Northam went at Trump, before anybody even asked him to go at Trump.
Jones ain't about that life, though. That's a big problem. If simply attacking Trump is the litmus for a purity test now, we really are deep in the shit now.
You know why I still like the fuck out of Northam though? Northam went at Trump, before anybody even asked him to go at Trump.
Jones ain't about that life, though. That's a big problem. If simply attacking Trump is the litmus for a purity test now, we really are deep in the shit now.
By TheHunter Go To PostThe worst Democrat is still better than the best republican.People forget that Al Gore Sr was a Democrat.
Northam’s shit with the Medicaid expansion is a bigger issue than Jones. By about to the power of 10
I’m not asking Northam or Jones to join DSA. I’m pointing out the symptoms of the deep sickness within the Democratic Party that turns off voters and keeps the party from building sustained political power.
The entire legacy of Obama is on the verge of being dismantled within a year of the presidency of Trump. Environmental and civil rights protections, the federal bench, taxes, health care, foreign policy, you name it.
I find Northam’s (and Obama’s) credulous approach toward Republicans to be more troubling than Jones’ statement about sexual harassment. They fundamentally misunderstand the aims of the Republican Party and treat them as good faith negotiators when in fact they’re the fucking enemy.
The fact that many Dems don’t see Republicans as enemies to be attacked, marginalized, and defeated makes me wonder if they don’t have a lot in common deep down.
The entire legacy of Obama is on the verge of being dismantled within a year of the presidency of Trump. Environmental and civil rights protections, the federal bench, taxes, health care, foreign policy, you name it.
I find Northam’s (and Obama’s) credulous approach toward Republicans to be more troubling than Jones’ statement about sexual harassment. They fundamentally misunderstand the aims of the Republican Party and treat them as good faith negotiators when in fact they’re the fucking enemy.
The fact that many Dems don’t see Republicans as enemies to be attacked, marginalized, and defeated makes me wonder if they don’t have a lot in common deep down.
By KingGondo Go To PostThe fact that many Dems don’t see Republicans as enemies to be attacked, marginalized, and defeated makes me wonder if they don’t have a lot in common deep down.They are just as beholden to donors as Republicans. So, yes, they do have a lot in common.
By KingGondo Go To PostI’m not asking Northam or Jones to join DSA. I’m pointing out the symptoms of the deep sickness within the Democratic Party that turns off voters and keeps the party from building sustained political power.
The entire legacy of Obama is on the verge of being dismantled within a year of the presidency of Trump. Environmental and civil rights protections, the federal bench, taxes, health care, foreign policy, you name it.
I find Northam’s (and Obama’s) credulous approach toward Republicans to be more troubling than Jones’ statement about sexual harassment. They fundamentally misunderstand the aims of the Republican Party and treat them as good faith negotiators when in fact they’re the fucking enemy.
The fact that many Dems don’t see Republicans as enemies to be attacked, marginalized, and defeated makes me wonder if they don’t have a lot in common deep down.
I agree with you
Republicans are killers.
Democrats are soft.
It's like they're playing two different games.
Isn't the style of democracy that Democrats are trying to run closer to the ideal that we should want from our politicians? Not saying it's perfect, but at least it's closer in the "right direction".
Also, I'd argue Jones is just saying this because he's a freshman Senator with some naïveté in him. His style and approach will most likely change over the years, hopefully not in disillusionment and self-preservation.
Bernie's firebrand style gets people motivated and has people playing hard, but that doesn't mean his "with me or against me" policy proposals have actually gone anywhere. There's gotta be a balance, somewhere.
Also, I'd argue Jones is just saying this because he's a freshman Senator with some naïveté in him. His style and approach will most likely change over the years, hopefully not in disillusionment and self-preservation.
Bernie's firebrand style gets people motivated and has people playing hard, but that doesn't mean his "with me or against me" policy proposals have actually gone anywhere. There's gotta be a balance, somewhere.
People really need to learn how to pick and choose their battles. Dude barely beat a pedo and the country was perfectly fine electing Donald trump, what is calling for a resignation going to achieve? One, Trump is not going to resign and probably not even get removed from office, so all Jones would be doing is guaranteeing he loses the next election
If all you want is people to talk shit about Trump at each and every opportunity go to resetera because we need Jones to last more than 15 minutes in office, there’s absolutely no sense in dying on that hill.
As for his other comment it could just be bullshit and he’s not going to work with Rs or could be playing it smart, biding time until Rs don’t control everything. He could also be a dumbass. Basically give it more than a week before bitching
If all you want is people to talk shit about Trump at each and every opportunity go to resetera because we need Jones to last more than 15 minutes in office, there’s absolutely no sense in dying on that hill.
As for his other comment it could just be bullshit and he’s not going to work with Rs or could be playing it smart, biding time until Rs don’t control everything. He could also be a dumbass. Basically give it more than a week before bitching
Why would Trump re-sign over allegations made before the election when half the country said they were okay with making him President?
It would be a completely different story had the allegations come after the election. New evidence would need to come out to that is somehow worse than what we already know to make that a scenario to discuss.
The bar for him to voluntarily resign is so high because the bar to be President is now so low.
It would be a completely different story had the allegations come after the election. New evidence would need to come out to that is somehow worse than what we already know to make that a scenario to discuss.
The bar for him to voluntarily resign is so high because the bar to be President is now so low.
This will inspire younger generations to strap up their bootstraps and get to the 1%. Anybody can do it. Just work hard.
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By reilo Go To PostIsn't the style of democracy that Democrats are trying to run closer to the ideal that we should want from our politicians? Not saying it's perfect, but at least it's closer in the "right direction".Politics isn't a game of compromise. It's a method of affecting certain goals in organizations and achieving those goals using whatever methods are available. I'd be all on board if promising to compromise and reach across the aisle was rewarded by voters, but it isn't.
All that Democrats stand for in the American popular imagination is "civility" and social liberalism. They are terrified to run on economic populism while the Republicans are over here about to pass the Let Them Eat Cake Act of 2017. Elected Democrats should be leading a popular revolt, but instead most of them are mewling about the deficit and Republican hypocrisy.
We have to demand more from our supposedly progressive politicians. At a certain point, you have to conclude that they're either incompetent, ineffective, disingenuous, or some combination of the three.
By reilo Go To Post
By reilo Go To Post"Politics isn't a game of compromise"They sure did a whole lot of compromise on this tax bill
Wait, what?
By cashman Go To PostThey sure did a whole lot of compromise on this tax billJust because the Republicans behave in a repulsive and detrimental way to society as a whole doesn't mean that we need to mimic such behavior because we believe to be on the right side of a coin.
Compromise is a core tenant of a representative democracy. Looking at the GOP and their handling of the bills they pass as a way to success is how democracy gets demolished.
Elect better leaders. Educate to improve our voters. Don't do what the other guys doing it because you think it's the only way to success. It just means you are repeating and encouraging a doomed cycle.
By KingGondo Go To PostPolitics isn't a game of compromise. .
The fuck it isn't.
By cashman Go To PostThey sure did a whole lot of compromise on this tax bill
Their constituents compromise their financial gains for 2nd amendment and abortion issues constantly. Try again.
Don’t ever want to hear anything about not voting ever again
By KingGondo Go To PostPolitics isn't a game of compromise. It's a method of affecting certain goals in organizations and achieving those goals using whatever methods are available.lol this sounds like something stalin would've said right before he sent nikolai bukharin to a firing squad.
By KingGondo Go To PostPolitics isn't a game of compromise. It's a method of affecting certain goals in organizations and achieving those goals using whatever methods are available. I'd be all on board if promising to compromise and reach across the aisle was rewarded by voters, but it isn't.
All that Democrats stand for in the American popular imagination is "civility" and social liberalism. They are terrified to run on economic populism while the Republicans are over here about to pass the Let Them Eat Cake Act of 2017. Elected Democrats should be leading a popular revolt, but instead most of them are mewling about the deficit and Republican hypocrisy.
We have to demand more from our supposedly progressive politicians. At a certain point, you have to conclude that they're either incompetent, ineffective, disingenuous, or some combination of the three.
I concluded this a long time ago, Gondo. Agree with you wholeheartedly.
Politics is only about compromise because Democrats have no spine. They're a bunch of shit eaters.
If another civil war ever happens again, ain't no blue state winning a damn battle. Shit would be over, overnight.
By Smoke Dogg Go To PostPolitics is only about compromise because Democrats have no spine. They're a bunch of shit eaters.
Politics has always been about compromise in a representative democracy. Hyper partisanship and congressional obstruction over the last decade has created constituency bases that think the opposite though.
You flat out can't have a representative democracy and clamor for authoritarian tactics to pass the things you feel are morally correct.
By Fenderputty Go To PostPolitics has always been about compromise in a representative democracy. Hyper partisanship and congressional obstruction over the last decade has created constituency bases that think the opposite though.
Hah!
Yeah, I'd say.
Time to face reality before Republicans ram some more bullshit down your throats.
There's also standing your ground and oh not passing racist, homophobic or sexist legislation of your own as well as allowing other shit to carry on. You want to talk of compromise, the idea of compromise for our current government has long been ensuring that minorities and women don't retain full rights as persons and instead are subject to discrimination under the law. With dems helping out with that type shit, or shitting on the poor themselves by not revoking Hyde, passing Welfare Reform, Three Strikes, all on board the Patriot Act and generally giving more of a fuck about upper middle class babyboomer investments and property than anything else. Shut up about compromise.
If you're fine with the compromising the Dems do, consider you might actually be a conservative yourself and spare us all this fucking charade. At least then we can have an actual leftist bunch run who prioritize some shit other than white upper class property and investments.
By Random Ass Username Go To PostIf you're fine with the compromising the Dems do, consider you might actually be a conservative yourself and spare us all this fucking charade.Excuse you?
Don't excuse it. If you're continually fine with compromising ever more right than the dems already are, just be honest with yourself. This country is rightist as all fuck and then we talk of compromise. What compromise really. Oh we got ACA through, originally a GOP healthcare solution.
Compromise is a tool to be used to advance your policy goals, not a goal in and of itself.
The Republicans stand for something: advancing the financial interests of the donor class and sticking it to the libs on symbolic issues. It guides all of their actions. They provide something to their constituency, while the Dems do nothing but drone on about how rude Republicans are.
Democrats are still waiting to be rewarded for playing nice while Republicans have dominated US politics at the national, local and state levels for nearly 20 years.
They’re awful, reprehensible pieces of shit... but they understand power.
The Republicans stand for something: advancing the financial interests of the donor class and sticking it to the libs on symbolic issues. It guides all of their actions. They provide something to their constituency, while the Dems do nothing but drone on about how rude Republicans are.
Democrats are still waiting to be rewarded for playing nice while Republicans have dominated US politics at the national, local and state levels for nearly 20 years.
They’re awful, reprehensible pieces of shit... but they understand power.
I keep asking what dems stand for so I can ask earnest questions but it's almost like I can't even get answers on that.
By Random Ass Username Go To PostDon't excuse it. If you're continually fine with compromising ever more right than the dems already are, just be honest with yourself. This country is rightist as all fuck and then we talk of compromise. What compromise really. Oh we got ACA through, originally a GOP healthcare solution.Did you read anything that was said or are you just gonna continue to throw a tantrum?
I see a bunch of hand wrining and excuses. And once again no real discussion of actual things I just brought up the democrats imposed on people. Glib shit in here again. Can you guys explain the compromises there? What the point was?