Politics | 2017 | Decent human being defeats literal pedophile and piece of shit in a close senate election, signaling hope to America

By FlutterPuffs Go To PostThat case was in 2011, 6 years ago.

Are there any recent cases that show that a security loophole has been found?

all the time. but every security misstep isn't gonna make world news tonight and even then, every security misstep isn't one ending in tragedy

its like people dont remember the US and the EU losing their shit at being unable to track foreign fighters and said facilitation last year.

the slop of these EOs is gonna leave a huge mess unable to be dismissed either way though

By Phlebas Go To PostPointing out the hypocrisy about the refugee ban and people finally giving it attention. Saw none of it when he did it.

But sorry I didn't suck Obama's dick

I don't think the point is to say they're equal guys... just to say that it happened without even a fraction of the attention

By DY_nasty Go To PostI don't think the point is to say they're equal guys… just to say that it happened without even a fraction of the attention

That was my point . I should've stated that.

By DY_nasty Go To Postits not even a concede or nothing thing

when i see stuff like
i'm just like… ok lol

We can debate as to whether that credibility ever existed, but the United States Government certainly have acted like it does for as long as we've been alive.

From what I see of the ban though, like you guys said it was very poorly implemented.

Like without a second thought of the clusterfuck that can happen.

This is like playing Crusader Kings 2 blind kind of mistake.

EDIT: Did a google news timeline search (2011-2012) about the Iraqi Refugee Visa Delay

https://www.google.com/search?q=crusader+kings+2&espv=2&biw=1920&bih=950&source=lnt&tbs=cdr%3A1%2Ccd_min%3A2011%2Ccd_max%3A2012&tbm=nws#tbs=cdr:1%2Ccd_min:2011%2Ccd_max:2012&tbm=nws&q=Iraqi+refugees+visa

There has been a lot of articles in the matter, but it's not surprised that there's no revolt about it is there? The problems the executive order has caused is at a magnitude far worse when even people with green cards are unable to enter. This wasnt an issue with the visa delay, because it only effected the refugees.

Also, seems like the visa delay became a talking point by alt right during Obama's campaign for a second term, which is why it became a huge thing.

By FlutterPuffs Go To PostThat case was in 2011, 6 years ago.

Are there any recent cases that show that a security loophole has been found?

Not many stories that are recent within a few years.

Like DY said, not every security misstep will make the news. Likely more going on that we'll never see.

By FlutterPuffs Go To PostFrom what I see of the ban though, like you guys said it was very poorly implemented.

Like without a second thought of the clusterfuck that can happen.

This is like playing Crusader Kings 2 blind kind of mistake.

Doesn't seem well thought out yeah.

By HasphatsAnts Go To PostWe can debate as to whether that credibility ever existed, but the United States Government certainly have acted like it does for as long as we've been alive.

credibility with 'the world' over the past '8 decades' is a wiiiiiiiiiiild and incredibly loose statement though. fair?

By DY_nasty Go To Postcredibility with 'the world' over the past '8 decades' is a wiiiiiiiiiiild and incredibly loose statement though. fair?

It's hyperbole, but I'm leaving it up there because i'm mad as hell.

And fwiw, I can't remember the last time a President enacted a EO for the sole purpose of being cruel. Plenty that caused collateral damage and commited moral transgressions/compromises, but nothing this blatant. Usually things like this require multiple parties making one egregious mistake after another, not a unilateral decision


Unrelated, but relevant tweet.

By HasphatsAnts Go To PostIt's hyperbole, but I'm leaving it up there because i'm mad as hell.

And fwiw, I can't remember the last time a President enacted a EO for the sole purpose of being cruel. Plenty that caused collateral damage and commited moral transgressions/compromises, but nothing this blatant. Usually things like this require multiple parties making one egregious mistake after another, not a unilateral decision

https://twitter.com/chrislhayes/status/825466632826929154

Unrelated, but relevant tweet.

That's an odd interpretation but every president is 'cruel' so again I'm kinda like.... yal can't expect loose exaggerations to be cool when you drop one then get mad at someone else for enjoying the same lax feeling. Obama could've found a few million and an EO to write to get Flint some working pipes, but it was 'cruel' that he didn't.

unilateral decision to fuck shit up isn't some oddity at all either

By Phlebas Go To PostJust conjecture on my part but I'm assuming issues with the vetting process entirely. We don't know how through the process was.

Considering that story I linked, stories like the one of Waad Ramadan Alwan, who said he was fleeing persecution. In the end it was a cover story and he got in through the cracks.

Cases like that are likely the deciding factor on this, at least to me. A blanket ban till the process is scrutinized.

The preference to Christian refugees I'm not sure if he has the power on that, so I can't say for sure.

Are you fucking serious?

By HasphatsAnts Go To Post

https://twitter.com/vonny_bravo/status/825402282460196869

And this affects thousands of travellers around the world who wants nothing to do with the United States.

With one stroke of the pen, Donald Trump has destroyed the credibility of this nation worked for nearly 8 decades to build.

"I am a graduate and I have a Phd. It has happened to a person who is working and who pays tax."

sorry, but was that necessary? so if you don't have a Phd or are unemployed, it would be not so bad to block you from going to X-country?

By DY_nasty Go To PostThat's an odd interpretation but every president is 'cruel' so again I'm kinda like…. yal can't expect loose exaggerations to be cool when you drop one then get mad at someone else for enjoying the same lax feeling. Obama could've found a few million and an EO to write to get Flint some working pipes, but it was 'cruel' that he didn't.

unilateral decision to fuck shit up isn't some oddity at all either

Would've been unenforceable...

Like, that's why the border wall and the "rebuild military" EOs are categorically dumb because they require Congress to appropriate budget to actually accomplish. Granted, we fully expect Paul Ryan to bend over backwards for Trump, but that's a different discussion.

Everything about how this is carried out is categorically shoddy, and it looks like the shoddiness is by design so they can enforce it willy nilly.

By HasphatsAnts Go To PostWould've been unenforceable…

So is a lot of what's going on now, but you get what I'm saying,

By DY_nasty Go To PostSo is a lot of what's going on now, but you get what I'm saying,

http://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2017/1/28/14424402/trump-visa-ban-iran-cancer

This is having an adverse impact on people's lives right now when 2 days ago it wouldn't have. That's the difference between Positive vs. Negative EO Actions.

Not the time for whatabouteries and shoulder-shrugging, and pay no mind to Elchele - misery loves company

By Elchele Go To Postsorry, but was that necessary? so if you don't have a Phd or are unemployed, it would be not so bad to block you from going to X-country?

Yes, I am sure that is exactly what she was trying to communicate.

By Elchele Go To Postsorry, but was that necessary? so if you don't have a Phd or are unemployed, it would be not so bad to block you from going to X-country?

The person is making the distinction between being a terrorist or uneducated and bringing nothing of 'worth' to the economy. You're being obtuse on purpose.

By HasphatsAnts Go To Posthttp://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2017/1/28/14424402/trump-visa-ban-iran-cancer

This is having an adverse impact on people's lives right now when 2 days ago it wouldn't have. That's the difference between Positive vs. Negative EO Actions.

.... you got what I'm saying


'cruel'
'credibility' '8 decades'
'i'm mad as hell'

By n8 dogg Go To PostThe person is making the distinction between being a terrorist or uneducated and bringing nothing of 'worth' to the economy. You're being obtuse on purpose.

sorry, it just seems classist to me I guess. And I realize it is far from being the main issue right now.

By DY_nasty Go To Post…. you got what I'm saying


'cruel'
'credibility' '8 decades'
'i'm mad as hell'

Feel free to enlighten me on how signing this on Holocaust Remembrance Day isn't cruel

madrid fans, man

By HasphatsAnts Go To PostFeel free to enlighten me on how signing this on Holocaust Remembrance Day isn't cruel

every president is 'cruel' lol

'cruel', 'evil'... this some of the most subjective and loose wording ever. just quantify your arguments instead of this yousupportevil / whydoyounotstandagainstmadness politicking

The problem with Trump for me not that he's cruel or evil, but easily influenced and stupid.

It's like having that uncle of yours who constantly send emails of conspiracy theories elected as president.

Is not like he came with this out of nowhere, honestly. He ran on this kind of shit.

By DY_nasty Go To Postevery president is 'cruel' lol

'cruel', 'evil'… this some of the most subjective and loose wording ever. just quantify your arguments instead of this yousupportevil / whydoyounotstandagainstmadness politicking

Legal permanent residents cannot come home. Nothing subjective about this in the least

By FlutterPuffs Go To PostThe problem with Trump for me not that he's cruel or evil, but easily influenced and stupid.

It's like having that uncle of yours who constantly send emails of conspiracy theories elected as president.

This reeks of Bannon and Kobach

Spoke with a former colleague who works at the Baltimore IRC (International Rescue Committee) and she says they're expecting a mess by the middle of next week. They work in job placement and domestic programs within the refugee communities from state to state. This will impact them and how they operate moving forward in a big way - even short term. Talking about program prep and funding appropriations with the questions marks that are still floating and trying to anticipate further changes is a huge challenge.

By HasphatsAnts Go To PostLegal permanent residents cannot come home. Nothing subjective about this in the least
This reeks of Bannon and Kobach

Yeah. People with no experience in political dealings whatsoever whispering sweet nothings in his ear.

By HasphatsAnts Go To PostLegal permanent residents cannot come home. Nothing subjective about this in the least

Am I really failing that hard to make my point here? Geez... What do you think the point of me popping in over the phebas vs the world stuff was about? lol

Obama did the same 'cruel' shit albeit much less messy, but all the same even the mention of Obama doing something like that was sending people to pitchforks on Phebas. There wasn't a fraction of the kickback - which was his point. It happened. And many people have reason to dislike those who simply forgot or don't put as much priority on criticizing Obama. His exaggeration may have been bad, but others have been exaggerating at the same time...

Also, 'cruel president' is something that inherently comes with the job. Its just a odd moniker. To add on, 'evil' is inherently broken as well because it places people beyond reason. In the minds of many (or enough) part of this could be justified. Not to say I agree at all. But 'evil' though? I don't need to lay out a history lesson for it to be clear that good intentions have burned down many a village.

You won't find me in disagreement over many of the coming complaints about policy and most of all their implementation. However, if you need to absolutely understand what I'm mad about (I can't tell if that's what you're going for here) its stuff like Warren co-signing Carson or other democrats in office playing nice because they feel they'll need those payback daps later on in their careers.

By DY_nasty Go To PostYou won't find me in disagreement over many of the coming complaints about policy and most of all their implementation. However, if you need to absolutely understand what I'm mad about (I can't tell if that's what you're going for here) its stuff like Warren co-signing Carson or other democrats in office playing nice because they feel they'll need those payback daps later on in their careers.

Get mad when the co-sign shitty policy they can prevent. Getting mad at dems acquiring political favors seems shortsighted

By Fenderputty Go To PostGet mad when the co-sign shitty policy they can prevent. Getting mad at dems acquiring political favors seems shortsighted

That's just such an odd qualifier for action and I think we'll always be in disagreement over it. I'd like to believe that a party with half of a country's vote can do more than roll over and point to all of the rules that everyone else isn't playing by, but whatever.

How can it get worse.

Canada is a better version of America.

Canada is the new USA confirmed. USA will be a ghost town if this clown doesn't stop.

And I've outlined the reasons in my response why his false equivalence is wrong. Blame Obama for his inaction on ISIS. Blame Obama for allowing Syria to fester and landing us in this situation but do not blame him on that particular EO

What's up next for Bannon? Already got muslim hate on 1 milli here in the states. He's gotten the silly ass anti-immigration EO in effect. He just hit Jewish people with "All Lives Matter" on Holocaust remembrance day. Black History month starts next week. All Lives Matter month?

The federal court for the Eastern District of New York issued an emergency stay halting President Donald Trump’s executive order banning entry to the US from seven majority-Muslim countries tonight, following widespread protests at airports around the country.

The court’s stay is temporary; it’s clear that the White House will argue to have it reinstated as soon as possible.

.

By EldritchTrapStar Go To PostWhat's up next for Bannon? Already got muslim hate on 1 milli here in the states. He's gotten the silly ass anti-immigration EO in effect. He just hit Jewish people with "All Lives Matter" on Holocaust remembrance day. Black History month starts next week. All Lives Matter month?

"James Earl Ray died too"

By EldritchTrapStar Go To PostWhat's up next for Bannon? Already got muslim hate on 1 milli here in the states. He's gotten the silly ass anti-immigration EO in effect. He just hit Jewish people with "All Lives Matter" on Holocaust remembrance day. Black History month starts next week. All Lives Matter month?

The Russian gov has already reported glowingly on Trump and Putin's first phone conversation, so I fully anticipate War On Terror Part Deux: EVEN BIGGER to begin as soon as they possible.

If you liked the first one, you'll love the second!

Trump's EO have been reckless, they're not being properly written or reviewed and this one in particular had embarrassing consequences.

The federal court for the Eastern District of New York issued an emergency stay halting President Donald Trump’s executive order banning entry to the US from seven majority-Muslim countries tonight, following widespread protests at airports around the country.

At least it's start.

Probably the biggest possible victory that could be gained would be to force that Nazi Bannon out.

That will be the main point of my call to my elected officials tomorrow.

A couple of people are promising to match any donations made to the ACLU if people send them their receipts.

https://twitter.com/Sia/status/825459576036220929
https://twitter.com/sacca/status/825403419376496641
https://twitter.com/goldroom/status/825504681820450817
https://twitter.com/noahmccormack/status/825500715237961728
https://twitter.com/pronounced_ing/status/825492012103237632

Sia is the top one, willing to match up to 100K$.
What an amazing person.

Fucking Bannon.

That's it. Concrete proof that neo-nazi sympathizers are shaping our domestic and foreign policy.

It really is a Muslim ban, straight from the mouth of Rudy Guliani.

https://youtu.be/l9GKL6i38pI

There's proof Phlebas. There's no running away from it.