I keep thinking... Like, how the fuck do y'all think these parties make money?
GOP don't give a damn where they get it, and they get plenty, shows in their platform and staff.
But like, where do y'all think the Dems, namely downballot candidates, should get their money from?
GOP don't give a damn where they get it, and they get plenty, shows in their platform and staff.
But like, where do y'all think the Dems, namely downballot candidates, should get their money from?
By Double 0 Go To PostI keep thinking… Like, how the fuck do y'all think these parties make money?Well until campaign finance is reformed (sometime around the 5th of never) the party should raise money on behalf of candidates who have won primaries on all levels. I know this might be news to the DNC, but candidates in "red states" need money to have a chance too.
GOP don't give a damn where they get it, and they get plenty, shows in their platform and staff.
But like, where do y'all think the Dems, namely downballot candidates, should get their money from?
Also: if their platform connected with a broad base they could raise plenty of money via small donations.
By KingGondo Go To PostWell until campaign finance is reformed (sometime around the 5th of never) the party should raise money on behalf of candidates who have won primaries on all levels. I know this might be news to the DNC, but candidates in "red states" need money to have a chance too.
Also: if their platform connected with a broad base they could raise plenty of money via small donations.
Enough to take on the GOP?
Hahahahaha
Money isn't the be-all end-all either. They just need enough to run ads and hire campaign workers and run GOTV efforts.
Your statement also assumes that there isn't a huge amount of fraud and waste going on when these fundraising numbers are bandied about.
Your statement also assumes that there isn't a huge amount of fraud and waste going on when these fundraising numbers are bandied about.
WaPo has posted some details on the GOP tax plan
https://www.washingtonpost.com/business/economy/republican-tax-plan-to-lower-cap-on-mortgage-interest-deduction-to-500000-loans/2017/11/02/c0f594d6-bfd5-11e7-8444-a0d4f04b89eb_story.html?hpid=hp_hp-top-table-high_taxreform-1010am%3Ahomepage%2Fstory&utm_term=.5e6d47d171a5
I'm limited to mobile while working from the office today, so it's difficult for me to extract and post the details.
Please click. /Jeb!
https://www.washingtonpost.com/business/economy/republican-tax-plan-to-lower-cap-on-mortgage-interest-deduction-to-500000-loans/2017/11/02/c0f594d6-bfd5-11e7-8444-a0d4f04b89eb_story.html?hpid=hp_hp-top-table-high_taxreform-1010am%3Ahomepage%2Fstory&utm_term=.5e6d47d171a5
I'm limited to mobile while working from the office today, so it's difficult for me to extract and post the details.
Please click. /Jeb!
By Fenderputty Go To Postam I watching Gondo support a 50 state strategy?Lol. One of my biggest gripes with the DNC is that they utterly neglect places like Oklahoma. You know this.
And I'm not advocating that they go full Bernie in Oklahoma (although Bernie did win the primary here 😬). But people are struggling and nobody is addressing their concerns honestly.
By KingGondo Go To PostLol. One of my biggest gripes with the DNC is that they utterly neglect places like Oklahoma. You know this.
And I'm not advocating that they go full Bernie in Oklahoma (although Bernie did win the primary here 😬). But people are struggling and nobody is addressing their concerns honestly.
50 state strategy results in centrist Dems in red states.
By KingGondo Go To PostLol. One of my biggest gripes with the DNC is that they utterly neglect places like Oklahoma. You know this.
And I'm not advocating that they go full Bernie in Oklahoma (although Bernie did win the primary here 😬). But people are struggling and nobody is addressing their concerns honestly.
https://www.democrats.org/about/our-party/50-state-strategy
Perez is implementing the "50 state strategy" so state parties will have money/resources from the DNC to build them up in-state. It'll take probably until 2018 and beyond until we start seeing the fruits of that.
The problem is they're sort of caught in a dilemma since small donors who gave to Sanders don't trust the DNC, but doing big fundraisers turns off small donors.
By Fenderputty Go To Post50 state strategy results in centrist Dems in red states.
I'd much rather have centrists Dems than Republicans. With the way the Senate is setup it's pretty difficult to win 51 seats with all liberals, let alone getting 60 votes.
Also centrist Dem governors/state legislators can stop gerrymandering in their states which helps in the House.
Also, in case you missed it yesterday, there was this vile, disgusting thing Fox News did (which confirms yesterday was a normal Fox News day) aimed at Jake Tapper.
https://www.mediaite.com/online/jake-tapper-fox-news-is-lying-about-my-allahu-akbar-comment/amp/
https://www.mediaite.com/online/jake-tapper-fox-news-is-lying-about-my-allahu-akbar-comment/amp/
By Randolph Freelander Go To PostWaPo has posted some details on the GOP tax plan
https://www.washingtonpost.com/business/economy/republican-tax-plan-to-lower-cap-on-mortgage-interest-deduction-to-500000-loans/2017/11/02/c0f594d6-bfd5-11e7-8444-a0d4f04b89eb_story.html?hpid=hp_hp-top-table-high_taxreform-1010am%3Ahomepage%2Fstory&utm_term=.5e6d47d171a5
I'm limited to mobile while working from the office today, so it's difficult for me to extract and post the details.
Please click. /Jeb!
The part everyone knows about:
The Tax Cuts and Jobs Act would lower the corporate tax rate from 35 percent to 20 percent and collapse the seven tax brackets paid by families and individuals down to four. It would create giant new benefits for the wealthy by cutting business taxes, eliminating the estate tax, and ending the alternative minimum tax.
Some very lose details:
It would cut in half the popular mortgage interest deduction used by millions of American homeowners, capping this tax deduction at new mortgages of $500,000 or less. Presently, Americans can deduct interest on mortgages of up to $1 million from their income.
I don't personally have an issue with cutting this in half, though 500K isn't some crazy amount in Cali or NY. I know middle class people who will be negatively impacted here. That being said, this is being used to pay for estate tax cuts so Go get fucked. IMO.
The bill would allow people to deduct their local property taxes from their taxable income, though this benefit would be capped at $10,000.
Property taxes in Cali are pretty low so no issue here. I would think places with higher property taxes have lower home values.
The bill would nearly double the amount of money not subject to federal income tax, a tax break known as the “standard deduction.” Under the plan, that deduction would rise from $12,700 per family to $24,000. But this benefit would be partially offset by the personal exemption many Americans can claim, which can be large for families with multiple children.
The bill’s true impact on the middle class will be difficult to immediately measure. The bill would create a new “Family Credit” and expand the child tax credit used by working families. The child tax credit would grow from $1,000 per child to $1,600 for each child.
Families would also no longer be able to deduct their state income taxes from their federal taxable income, another change that would have a particular impact on places like New Jersey and New York, where state taxes are higher than in other areas.
Get fucked.
Americans would no longer be able to deduct their medical expenses or property and casualty losses, according to a document outlining the plan.
Get fucked.
Other changes in the bill would be far reaching. It would, for example, make changes to college savings programs and have new requirements for tax-exempt organizations like churches and charities.
In the end it's a bunch of stuff we kinda knew and was pretty vague on details needed to fully asses how fucked anyone is that isn't rich.
By Randolph Freelander Go To PostRebekah Mercer was the brains behind the whole thing.
Let's hope they're better people than he is.
By Perfect Blue Go To PostRebekah Mercer was the brains behind the whole thing.
The split second of giving the benefit of the doubt was for naught.
By Randolph Freelander Go To PostThis. All of it.
It's the wrong argument on merits, is it the wrong argument for the populist movement?
"They're going to balloon the deficit and debt to increase wealth for the already rich"
By Fenderputty Go To PostIt's the wrong argument on merits, is it the wrong argument for the populist movement?
"They're going to balloon the deficit and debt to increase wealth for the already rich"
Just don't even mention it unless they can do it right.
It's not that the GOP plan increases the deficit, it's that it uses the deficit the wrong way. But as long as Democrats argue the deficit as a burden and not a tool, they're playing into the GOP's hands when spending comes up.
By Randolph Freelander Go To PostBut as long as Democrats argue the deficit as a burden and not a tool, they're playing into the GOP's hands when spending comes up.
Definitely agree here. These concepts aren't easy though. Deficit spending probably should be reduced right now. Whatever we deficit spend on should be on things like infrastructure and education which have long terms gains. We're nearing full employment and interest rates are starting to climb. We don't need fiscal expansion.
A concept like penny pinching in the good times but blowing a hole in the credit card during the bad is counter-intuitive to many.
What sucks is that both parties use the debt as a political tool. It just happens that republican voters only care about the debt if a dem is in office. They're totally fine with a republican blowing up the deficit / debt.
EDIT: It's a pretty stark contrast to 8 years ago when the ARRA was passed and everyone was predicting the collapse of the dollar and hyperinflation and gold bugs and shit.
By Smoke Dogg Go To PostI waffled back and forth about making this post, because a part of me just wants to let it go. But I've seen some people throw around the term "useful idiots" directed at Berniecrats, and so I just feel like getting some thoughts off my chest now. I apologize in advance to all the innocent bystanders who might get in their feelings too.
Where there's a will, there's a way:
The nuclear option is "quantitative easing."
It worked so well for the Iraq war. It worked for the bank bailouts. It might as well work for healthcare.
For example, the government bought out AIG not too long ago. Actual, literal, toxic assets. We bought those out. We rewarded failure. And we did so in the last decade, no less. So this is in recent memory, no amnesia here. And so I ask, why can't the government buy out Kaiser Permanente? Why can't we buy out something that is actually doing some good?
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TARP: $700B. One time spending bill.
US Healthcare spending: $3.2 TRILLION (in 2015) and growing. That's a recurring expense year after year after year.
This is why there's a huge contingent in the democratic party that don't take the left seriously. Until they've proven that they've done the work, nothing's going to dissuade us from our initial assessment: they're policy lightweights.
EDIT: On topic of deficits. The right has shown repeatedly that their concerns over deficits is not on the level, so don't even engage with it. Everyone "cares" about the deficit, but in reality no one cares about the deficit if they get what they want.
Gonna be honest.
I think after the Donna Brazile stuff, right or wrongly outraged, the Bernie Wing should take over. They have a sense of direction and at least some form of leadership. They need honing, but there is no faith to be had toward the current Dems. Donna just blew what was left up.
But they better fucking not forget Hlilary voters; women, POCs, plenty of people who felt burned or harassed by said left wingers/Bernie supporters. They better have women and POCs in their leadership, getting pushed into government positions throughout the country.
They just better not forget. If they make Third Way ass mistakes, I hope they get jumped on so hard for it. They should know better.
I think after the Donna Brazile stuff, right or wrongly outraged, the Bernie Wing should take over. They have a sense of direction and at least some form of leadership. They need honing, but there is no faith to be had toward the current Dems. Donna just blew what was left up.
But they better fucking not forget Hlilary voters; women, POCs, plenty of people who felt burned or harassed by said left wingers/Bernie supporters. They better have women and POCs in their leadership, getting pushed into government positions throughout the country.
They just better not forget. If they make Third Way ass mistakes, I hope they get jumped on so hard for it. They should know better.
By Double 0 Go To PostGonna be honest.But if you're not a 35-year-old white male coal miner in Pennsylvania with a Pre-K child, then what are you good as a voter anyway?
I think after the Donna Brazile stuff, right or wrongly outraged, the Bernie Wing should take over. They have a sense of direction and at least some form of leadership. They need honing, but there is no faith to be had toward the current Dems. Donna just blew what was left up.
But they better fucking not forget Hlilary voters; women, POCs, plenty of people who felt burned or harassed by said left wingers/Bernie supporters. They better have women and POCs in their leadership, getting pushed into government positions throughout the country.
They just better not forget. If they make Third Way ass mistakes, I hope they get jumped on so hard for it. They should know better.
Bernie will be the candidate if he runs IMO. There's still time for someone to take that torch, but I don't see it happening. He's out there and visible. Only immediate threat to Bernie would be Biden IMO. Unless something changes.
By reilo Go To PostBiden 😒
Both are currently well liked and have amazing name recognition. That's quite the barrier to entry, but we shall see. If they both run, I'm curious how Bernie does in the south. Biden should do better there if Bernie didn't learn from the last Primary and that's what carried Clinton early.
Biden is still on that Obama by association high. I think as we get closer, people will realize he isn't even close to a progressive and he'll get torn apart as people dig into his past statements and positions.
By rodeoclown Go To PostBiden is still on that Obama by association high. I think as we get closer, people will realize he isn't even close to a progressive and he'll get torn apart as people dig into his past statements and positions.
Maybe the leftist faction of the party who gave him a pass in 2016 because he's not Hillary, the rest will like him fine. He's a former VP, personable, good on a debate stage, might be the only man who could out trump trump and people are longing for those Obama days.
It's obviously not set in stone this far out, but:
http://www.publicpolicypolling.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/09/PPP_Release_National_71817.pdf
Trump does a lot of losing in our poll. Voters wish that either Barack Obama
(53/40) or Hillary Clinton (49/42) was President instead of Trump. Trump loses
by wide margins in hypothetical matches against Joe Biden (54/39) or Bernie
Sanders (52/39) for reelection. Trump loses 12-13% of the folks who voted for
him last fall to either Biden or Sanders. Trump also trails in hypothetical contests
against Elizabeth Warren (49/42), Cory Booker (45/40), and Kamala Harris
(41/40). The one Democrat Trump manages a tie against is Mark Zuckerberg, at
40/40. Zuckerberg is actually not a particularly well known figure nationally-
47% of voters say they have no opinion about him to 24% with a positive one and
29% with a negative one.
http://www.publicpolicypolling.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/09/PPP_Release_National_71817.pdf
By Randolph Freelander Go To PostThat was quick
There is a God.
Right now Bernie Sanders is the prohibitive favorite for 2020. I think it’s time for Dems to accept it. Lots can change between now and then but very little stands in his way.
Joe Biden does not stand up to scrutiny and he will be raked through the coals during the primaries.
Joe Biden does not stand up to scrutiny and he will be raked through the coals during the primaries.
https://electrek.co/2017/11/02/electric-vehicle-tax-credit-expected-slashed-new-house-tax-bill/
electric vehicle 7,500 rebate slashed with this new bill
fuck the GOP
electric vehicle 7,500 rebate slashed with this new bill
fuck the GOP
