By KingGondo Go To PostAmerica is a diseased society.It's a direct consequence of letting people like Trump get elected. If you don't want people to view Bush positively, don't elect someone who would do worse given the same opportunity.
Humans are wired to forget trauma over time and look back on things fondly as a whole. Add a present and malignant reference point, and it's no wonder even Democrats are fondly looking back at they halcyon bush days of yore.
By Phoenix RISING Go To PostTo the person who asked if anyone finds the usage of "MSM" annoying:
"Dog-whistling" and "virtue signaling" are annoying terms. Dumbing down the discourse with nonsense idioms.
Dogwhistling is a term that has been used for almost three decades and was born from analyzing politicians campaign rhetoric, it’s not a “nonsense idiom”.
By Trey Go To PostHumans are wired to forget trauma over time and look back on things fondly as a whole. Add a present and malignant reference point, and it's no wonder even Democrats are fondly looking back at they halcyon bush days of yore.
I think also its because social media has taken political issues and magnified them x100. Back during the bush days if you didnt care about politics you could just tune out but now you cant hit the front page of any social media apps without getting hit with some current news or political rants. I didnt follow politics much (I was in my late teens early twenties during bush era) and it was so easy to be oblivious to what was going on around the world at the time.
I just pray we never reach a stage at which Trump is historically viewed favorably. Pretty sure we'll all be dead at that point.
By LGHT_TRSN Go To PostI just pray we never reach a stage at which Trump is historically viewed favorably. Pretty sure we'll all be dead at that point.Throw a Democrat woman/minority in the White House and those Trump numbers will rise like a mutherfucker.
The rehabilitation of Bush’s image just pisses me off. Yeah Trump very well could end up worse, but that bag of dirt should not be looked back on with anything resembling rose tinted glasses. The negative effects of his presidency will ripple out for decades.
Sadly this is so true.
By RumbleHumble Go To PostThrow a Democrat woman/minority in the White House and those Trump numbers will rise like a mutherfucker.
Sadly this is so true.
It's easy for people to look at Bush fondly since his crimes didn't really hit home, in a domestic sense, like what Trump is doing. Plus GW seemed like a really cool dude (to hang out with, completely divorced from his policies) whereas Trump is just repulses anyone instinctively.
I mean... I get *why* Bush is viewed more favorably than he should be. But it's still unbelievably depresssing.
I still don’t understand anyone that said during the elections Trump was the candidate you’d want to get a beer with. Fuck that, I’d prefer Hillary any day of the week for a pint over that nut job.
By RDreamer Go To PostI still don’t understand anyone that said during the elections Trump was the candidate you’d want to get a beer with. Fuck that, I’d prefer Hillary any day of the week for a pint over that nut job.I mean, Trump doesn't even drink, so...
Bush at least 'pretended' to be the 'love every American no matter what' president. Trump is engaged in active attack on half his own population both literally and behind the scenes which just enrages and scares people daily. That's at least why the perception is Bush was fine now.
Trump explaining that his recollection of call with Sgt. La David's widow is better than hers because he has "one of the greatest memories of all time".
By Megatherium Go To PostIt's easy for people to look at Bush fondly since his crimes didn't really hit home, in a domestic sense, like what Trump is doing. Plus GW seemed like a really cool dude (to hang out with, completely divorced from his policies) whereas Trump is just repulses anyone instinctively.Yup, this is exactly why he's looked at more fondly, Bush was at least "presidential" at home, and most of his awful policy making had a foreign impact. I don't doubt Trump will eventually top him though if given enough time.
The Bush favorability isn’t a big deal guys.
Regardless of whatever Bush did, he wasn’t omnipresent in the news every day threatening war over Myspace.
The best thing about Bush was that you could go day, weeks, maybe even months without thinking much about him.
He was bad but in the normal peramiters of bad. He had a concept and understanding of the roles and influence of a president even if he abused them; not to a fraction of a degree Trump has
Things aren’t normal now. People miss normality. That’s all that poll means.
Regardless of whatever Bush did, he wasn’t omnipresent in the news every day threatening war over Myspace.
The best thing about Bush was that you could go day, weeks, maybe even months without thinking much about him.
He was bad but in the normal peramiters of bad. He had a concept and understanding of the roles and influence of a president even if he abused them; not to a fraction of a degree Trump has
Things aren’t normal now. People miss normality. That’s all that poll means.
I feel like people equate "Bush" with "the Bush era" in that during the "the Bush era" things did not appear to be actively on fire on a daily basis in this country.
It can't begin to excuse anything that happened afterward, but after 9/11 Bush went out there to stress to people that we were not at war with Islam and that it was specific bad people using Islam as justification.
In reality that should be a bare minimum expectation and not commendable, but if you listen to enough of Trump's vitriol every day for months it can make Bush look pretty good to a low information voter.
In reality that should be a bare minimum expectation and not commendable, but if you listen to enough of Trump's vitriol every day for months it can make Bush look pretty good to a low information voter.
By Megatherium Go To PostIt can't begin to excuse anything that happened afterward, but after 9/11 Bush went out there to stress to people that we were not at war with Islam and that it was specific bad people using Islam as justification.Yeah that’s another thing. Put Trump in Bushes’ shoes back in 2001.
In reality that should be a bare minimum expectation and not commendable, but if you listen to enough of Trump's vitriol every day for months it can make Bush look pretty good to a low information voter.
Jesus Christ. I’m terrified just thinking about how horribly he would handle that....
He likely would have just said liberal coastal states deserve it for not voting me.. or something equally as despicable.
I agree that basic human decency shouldn’t be commendable but it’s where we are at where that would be an upgrade whether we like it or not
I think Bush will still be remembered unfavorably in history. Right now he's viewed favorably because his personality compares very favorably to Trump's. However, history will not remember him (or any other president) primarily for his personality, but for the actual legacy that he left. Your descendants will never read "but he was a great guy to have a beer with" in their history books, but they will read about the Iraq War.
On the flip side of that, history won't primarily judge Trump based on his personality either, so he may not be as hated in the future as he is in the present, depending on what kind of legacy he actually leaves. He will be remembered as divisive and belligerent for sure, but 30 years from now, no one will care about his Twitter feuds with Senators Corker and Flake.
On the flip side of that, history won't primarily judge Trump based on his personality either, so he may not be as hated in the future as he is in the present, depending on what kind of legacy he actually leaves. He will be remembered as divisive and belligerent for sure, but 30 years from now, no one will care about his Twitter feuds with Senators Corker and Flake.
They'll look at Bush as the guy who tanked the economy. A gross simplification, but he was still asleep at the wheel as it happened.
By DLH Go To PostI think Bush will still be remembered unfavorably in history. Right now he's viewed favorably because his personality compares very favorably to Trump's. However, history will not remember him (or any other president) primarily for his personality, but for the actual legacy that he left. Your descendants will never read "but he was a great guy to have a beer with" in their history books, but they will read about the Iraq War.
On the flip side of that, history won't primarily judge Trump based on his personality either, so he may not be as hated in the future as he is in the present, depending on what kind of legacy he actually leaves. He will be remembered as divisive and belligerent for sure, but 30 years from now, no one will care about his Twitter feuds with Senators Corker and Flake.
Yeah, well, that's the rub. If he's this hated barely eight months into his first term, I don't think history will care if the unemployment rate remained at or around 4% if he does nothing to improve anything else. Especially if he's impeached or resigns. There have been "fluke" presidents before that aren't judge kindly by historians, even if they didn't do a lot of permanent damage to the country.
Bush permanently damage the country in ways Obama couldn't completely repair and Trump just made it worse.
Does this mean Jeb will run again? God help us if Hillary runs again. She'll get Trump re-elected, I honestly believe that...
By Ignatz Mouse Go To PostThey'll look at Bush as the guy who tanked the economy. A gross simplification, but he was still asleep at the wheel as it happened.
I think the amazing thing about that whole bush trump comparison is that Trump has yet to wreck a chugging economy. He's just that awful.
By Ignatz Mouse Go To PostThey'll look at Bush as the guy who tanked the economy. A gross simplification, but he was still asleep at the wheel as it happened.Also that war thing
By Joeytj Go To PostYeah, well, that's the rub. If he's this hated barely eight months into his first term, I don't think history will care if the unemployment rate remained at or around 4% if he does nothing to improve anything else. Especially if he's impeached or resigns. There have been "fluke" presidents before that aren't judge kindly by historians, even if they didn't do a lot of permanent damage to the country.That's true, and there's certainly plenty of time for Trump to do a lot of permanent damage to the country. I guess the point I was trying to make was that a lot of the things that we hate about Trump right now may not be as significant to historians in the future as they are to us in the present day.
Bush permanently damage the country in ways Obama couldn't completely repair and Trump just made it worse.
Historians will always let humanity down. It's 2017 and they can't even figure out how to self-publish. NYT should be referencing them, and yet NYT is still the reference. Sad.
By Ignatz Mouse Go To PostThey'll look at Bush as the guy who tanked the economy. A gross simplification, but he was still asleep at the wheel as it happened.
I think the Iraq war will kind of be a big deal for historians. It's lead to a complete meltdown of the middle east, and the mishandling of the entire issue was a large reason for Bush's toxicity (aside from the economy) and Obama's election, which then leads directly to a Trump presidency. Hillary's vote for the war was kind of a big thing and really helped plaster the image of being 'establishment' vs Trump as an outsider.
there is no way Hillary runs again, just no way. She lost to Trump. If that's doesn't tell you American's don't want you, nothing ever will. Personally I think she would make a fine president. But that's over. I don't even think Hillary would want to at this point. Why would she want to lose to Trump again?
By KingGondo Go To PostAmerica is a diseased society.Americans have a tendency to associate with the identity of a politician over the party they represent, so favorability of Bush is correlative with distaste for Trump. Like his politics or not, Bush as a person is relatable and human compared to how people see Trump, and the positive publicity he has received from last week's speech has painted him as a romanticized Republican (from a liberal view) who existed before the Tea Party and Trump era of Republican/Conservative politics. It's easy to look at the past with rose-tinted glasses and only remember what is most convenient to the type of world you want to view, which for Democrats is a Trump-less, "normalized" political climate, and that things were better before this. It's the same kind of sentiment behind "Make America Great Again," just on a lesser and more generalized scale.
By Smoke Dogg Go To PostDoes this mean Jeb will run again? God help us if Hillary runs again. She'll get Trump re-elected, I honestly believe that…
By Minato Go To PostTrump is at -23 disapproval today. Isn't that the highest he's been?
No he was hanging around 34/60 on Gallup for a stretch.
By Smoke Dogg Go To PostDoes this mean Jeb will run again? God help us if Hillary runs again. She'll get Trump re-elected, I honestly believe that…Hillary's not running again. There's not a single doubt in my mind.
By rjinaz10 Go To Postthere is no way Hillary runs again, just no way. She lost to Trump. If that's doesn't tell you American's don't want you, nothing ever will. Personally I think she would make a fine president. But that's over. I don't even think Hillary would want to at this point. Why would she want to lose to Trump again?
Because she's a corporatist power hungry neoliberal warhawk. How else is she going to make uranium deals with North Korea in exchange for blood money to funnel into the "Clinton Foundation" AIDS prevention scam in 3rd world countries so she can turn around and declare war on North Korea as soon as they nuke Japan to appease her corporatist U.S. electronics manufacturer lobbyists and convince Congress to repeal the minimum wage so we can get non-union manufacturing jobs back in this country in order to keep the iPhone XXX from getting delayed?
Congress is so brainwashed right now its scary. Hope more people come forward. Repubs need to be held accountable for going along with this bullshit.
Our President is literally saying he knows only what he has seen on Fox News. This is the President of the United States.
God help us all.
God help us all.
By Sblargh Go To PostAlso that war thing
And that. Already had been mentioned, so I didn't.
By RustyNai1s Go To PostTrump explaining that his recollection of call with Sgt. La David's widow is better than hers because he has "one of the greatest memories of all time".
Just don't ask him to sign something.
By RustyNai1s Go To PostTrump explaining that his recollection of call with Sgt. La David's widow is better than hers because he has "one of the greatest memories of all time".
He's so much more humble than you would understand.
I think Trump's version of "did not authorize it" is a general starts to talk about it, he gets lazy, says "do whatever, I don't care" and genuinely doesn't realize that he just authorized something he was too lazy to hear about.
By LGHT_TRSN Go To PostBecause she's a corporatist power hungry neoliberal warhawk. How else is she going to make uranium deals with North Korea in exchange for blood money to funnel into the "Clinton Foundation" AIDS prevention scam in 3rd world countries so she can turn around and declare war on North Korea as soon as they nuke Japan to appease her corporatist U.S. electronics manufacturer lobbyists and convince Congress to repeal the minimum wage so we can get non-union manufacturing jobs back in this country in order to keep the iPhone XXX from getting delayed?Well when you put it that way...
I'm With Her! Hillary 2020
By Randolph Freelander Go To PostOur President is literally saying he knows only what he has seen on Fox News. This is the President of the United States.Right and he probably did approve the mission but doesn't remember doing it.
God help us all.