http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/18599948/cleveland-cavaliers-new-york-knicks-pursuit-kevin-love-potential-trade-carmelo-anthony
When talks start with "four team deal necessary" then no trade is happening.
The Clippers and Knicks seem under a delusion that the Clippers can rip off other teams for Rivers and Crawful.
When talks start with "four team deal necessary" then no trade is happening.
The Clippers and Knicks seem under a delusion that the Clippers can rip off other teams for Rivers and Crawful.
By IWMTB19 Go To Posthttp://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/18599948/cleveland-cavaliers-new-york-knicks-pursuit-kevin-love-potential-trade-carmelo-anthony
When talks start with "four team deal necessary" then no trade is happening.
The Clippers and Knicks seem under a delusion that the Clippers can rip off other teams for Rivers and Crawful.
"July 9, 2009: As part of a 4-team trade, the Toronto Raptors traded cash to the Orlando Magic; the Toronto Raptors traded a 2016 2nd round draft pick to the Memphis Grizzlies; the Toronto Raptors traded Kris Humphries, Nathan Jawai and Shawn Marion to the Dallas Mavericks; the Dallas Mavericks traded Jerry Stackhouse and cash to the Memphis Grizzlies; the Dallas Mavericks traded cash to the Orlando Magic; the Dallas Mavericks traded Devean George and Antoine Wright to the Toronto Raptors; the Memphis Grizzlies traded Greg Buckner to the Dallas Mavericks; and the Orlando Magic traded Hedo Turkoglu to the Toronto Raptors."
Never say never!
Mavs won that one. Whew.
By reilo Go To PostOh sheesh, Portland has the second toughest SOS on the season thus far. That shit is gonna ease up hard in the coming weeks.I mean. SOS is always going to be high for bad teams.
By giririsss Go To PostI mean. SOS is always going to be high for bad teams.Huh? That's not how SOS works.
By reilo Go To PostHuh? That's not how SOS works.
Dunno how it plays out in basketball, but it has a noticeable affect in the NFL where each individual game comes with more weight obviously.
The one I'm referencing just evaluates the average winning percentage of your opponents faced thus far. Also, if you play in a tougher division in the NBA (say, Southwest from a few years ago with several 50 win teams), your schedule by the end of the season will be tougher since you'll be facing all the teams in your division four times. Likewise if you're an East Coast team during a weak year, your SOS will be easier since you won't be facing the elite WC teams 3-4 times a year but only twice.
Other SOS take into account location and other weights but the simplest one just evaluate average winning percentage of opponents.
Other SOS take into account location and other weights but the simplest one just evaluate average winning percentage of opponents.
By reilo Go To PostThe one I'm referencing just evaluates the average winning percentage of your opponents faced thus far. Also, if you play in a tougher division in the NBA (say, Southwest from a few years ago with several 50 win teams), your schedule by the end of the season will be tougher since you'll be facing all the teams in your division four times. Likewise if you're an East Coast team during a weak year, your SOS will be easier since you won't be facing the elite WC teams 3-4 times a year but only twice.
Other SOS take into account location and other weights but the simplest one just evaluate average winning percentage of opponents.
Oh, then what giris is saying that bad teams will generally have higher SOS...because the teams they play are winning at their expense.
Not necessarily at all. Especially in the middle of a season. Brooklyn is the WOAT this season and their SOS isn't nearly near the top because they also play in a weak division. Indiana has a winning record and their SOS has been the easiest in part because they play in a bad division, weaker conference, and haven't faced the stronger teams on the season yet. Pacers got an upcoming of OKC, CLE, WAS, MIL, SAS, MEM, MIA, HOU, SAS, ATL -- only two of those teams are under .500 which means they won't be bottom SOS for much longer.
SoS is always weird to me. Being that it doesn't take in account teams who get on streaks due to gelling or players coming back from injury... and the Pacers kinda prove what Giri was saying
By p s y Go To Post*Ahem*that's what it really boils down to
What Giri is saying is that the Trail Blazers suck.
By reilo Go To PostHuh? That's not how SOS works.It does work like that because bad teams don't get to play themselves. Same reason why good teams typically have weaker SoS.
Unless, of course, you remove all games that involve the team you are looking at, but I don't think the simplest SoS stats do that.
SOS I was referencing was a simple average winning percentage of opponents played. So, no, the team I am looking at isn't involved.
By reilo Go To PostSOS I was referencing was a simple average winning percentage of opponents played. So, no, the team I am looking at isn't involved.The they removed all games played by the team in question from everyone else's record?
By Kibner Go To PostThe they removed all games played by the team in question from everyone else's record?I think ESPN's SOS is just the average winning record of opponent's faced, no? A team can't face itself.
By reilo Go To PostI think ESPN's SOS is just the average winning record of opponent's faced, no? A team can't face itself.if a team beats then that team gets a win. so a shitty contributes to it's own SoS
By blackace Go To Postif a team beats then that team gets a win. so a shitty contributes to it's own SoSYes, I get that, but you're ignoring if a team plays in a tougher division as well, like my SW Division from a few years ago example. So you can have a division full of 50-win teams and their SOS will be higher by the end of the season because they have to play each of those teams 4 times.
And like I said, Brooklyn isn't even in the Top 10 for toughest SOS and they don't even have double-digit wins yet.
I mean, good teams have weaker SOS's because they don't have to play themselves but it's not a really major effect. It's only two to four games out of 82.
By reilo Go To PostI think ESPN's SOS is just the average winning record of opponent's faced, no? A team can't face itself.Yes, but if you look at teams on extreme ends, they inflate or deflate the winning percentages of everyone they play against.
If you remove those games of the team you are looking at, it removes that bias. Or at least changes the bias while adding new problems.
Anyway, my point is that simple SoS has a weakness with evaluating teams that are extremely bad or extremely good. Because they don't play themselves. It's just a small change in either case, but it needs to be acknowledged when looking at those extreme cases.
A real SOS would have to include types of road trips and trouble cities. It's a joke but not a joke that you'd have to measure the supply and quality of strippers. It doesn't matter how good or bad the Hawks and Heat are that year, the Atlanta to Miami road trip kills teams every year.
Any time Denver is involved in a back to back trip it's bad. Extra processing for Toronto games and it being a party city. Whether you're facing a team with injuries or not.
Any time Denver is involved in a back to back trip it's bad. Extra processing for Toronto games and it being a party city. Whether you're facing a team with injuries or not.
Don't most SOS calcs also use the current win% isntead of the win% at the time of the game?
So that ... yeah, if you're bad, every team is going to have a higher win% after playing you...
I've never had time to really dig into how some sites do their SOS calcs. So i've always taken it with a really large grain of salt.
So that ... yeah, if you're bad, every team is going to have a higher win% after playing you...
I've never had time to really dig into how some sites do their SOS calcs. So i've always taken it with a really large grain of salt.
"trouble cities" lol
Some teams are just that bad at times.. Like the Bobcats back when they won 7 games.. But SoS is a flawed measurement to me..
Yes, I get that, but you're ignoring if a team plays in a tougher division as well, like my SW Division from a few years ago example. So you can have a division full of 50-win teams and their SOS will be higher by the end of the season because they have to play each of those teams 4 times.
And like I said, Brooklyn isn't even in the Top 10 for toughest SOS and they don't even have double-digit wins yet.
Some teams are just that bad at times.. Like the Bobcats back when they won 7 games.. But SoS is a flawed measurement to me..
By reilo Go To PostI just use it to determine average winning percentage of opponents faced, *shrug*.Yeah. But I think it's one of those semi flawed stats like +/- that needs a lot of context with it. If you're a .500 team with a tough SOS, you've probably got an easy stretch coming. If you're a bad team with a high SOS.... you being bad might affect the stat more than the other teams having been good teams.
Isn't that what I've been saying all along? I always qualified Portland's tough SOS with their schedule about to ease up significantly. Someone, can't remember who, posted a great graphic early on in the season of how each team's schedule is gonna look like based on opponent's average winning percentage at the time.
By reilo Go To PostIsn't that what I've been saying all along? I always qualified Portland's tough SOS with their schedule about to ease up significantly. Someone, can't remember who, posted a great graphic early on in the season of how each team's schedule is gonna look like based on opponent's average winning percentage at the time.
But those are flawed ways to project :|
It's just one glimpse at the schedule so far. I never claimed it was the end all be all. Unless you're LFK and project 61-wins based off of schedule reading.
By reilo Go To PostIt's just one glimpse at the schedule so far. I never claimed it was the end all be all. Unless you're LFK and project 61-wins based off of schedule reading.
Hey, it's not too late.
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By livefromkyoto Go To Post"July 9, 2009: As part of a 4-team trade, the Toronto Raptors traded cash to the Orlando Magic; the Toronto Raptors traded a 2016 2nd round draft pick to the Memphis Grizzlies; the Toronto Raptors traded Kris Humphries, Nathan Jawai and Shawn Marion to the Dallas Mavericks; the Dallas Mavericks traded Jerry Stackhouse and cash to the Memphis Grizzlies; the Dallas Mavericks traded cash to the Orlando Magic; the Dallas Mavericks traded Devean George and Antoine Wright to the Toronto Raptors; the Memphis Grizzlies traded Greg Buckner to the Dallas Mavericks; and the Orlando Magic traded Hedo Turkoglu to the Toronto Raptors."Mavs pulled a Jedi mind trick there, holy shit.
Never say never!
Mavs won that one. Whew.
Refs sucking again tonight.
Great. Now I'm the "complains about the refs" guy. Thanks NBA refs.
Colangelo wanted Turkoglu bad. This was when he was the #1 free agent on the market. Seems so long ago...
Great. Now I'm the "complains about the refs" guy. Thanks NBA refs.
By kjack Go To PostMavs pulled a Jedi mind trick there, holy shit.
Colangelo wanted Turkoglu bad. This was when he was the #1 free agent on the market. Seems so long ago...
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Playoff chances looking dim.
By livefromkyoto Go To PostFour fouls on the Raptor centers in the first 9 minutes.It happens. When I get frustrated with refs like that, I usually try to find where my team gets the benefit of the doubt. It usually doesn't take long and just reinforces that the game is really hard to officiate.
I mean come on.
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Drummond and Davis are making all the post move scores while Pope is unable to miss from outside. Kind of entertaining, though I hope the Pels lessen their unforced turnovers rather quickly. Slippery ball out there.