By masud Go To PostKyoto was that one of the 8 hard games the Raptors had left?
...I had that coming.
By diehard Go To PostNo matter how bad you have it, your team could owe $136,000,000 to Luol Deng and Timofey Mozgov.Still better than paying Horford.
Celtics wish they had that new mozgov right now
Barkley is a certified curmudgeon/hater. He said the NBA is the worst it's ever been earlier đđ
By reilo Go To PostBarkley is a certified curmudgeon/hater. He said the NBA is the worst it's ever been earlier đđ
Well, he's not lying.
Cavs, barring injuries, are going to do a walkover into the NBA Finals.
It's basically GSW, SAS, Clippers (health?) in the west. LOL @ anyone who thinks the Rockets are anything more than a treadmill team with Harden.
Westbrook gets ejected and the Thunder may as well have lost by 30.
NBA regular season is great for barbershop talk and people who breathe stats like MLB fans. But to a casual fan like me, there's no incentive to watch random games because the playoff tree is all but set in stone already.
He's completely fucking wrong. The NBA is the most entertaining it's ever been. Just because the elite are truly elite doesn't make the other teams garbage.
Like, ffs, did we already forget Spurs vs Nets and Spurs vs Pistons and whatever steaming pile of garbage the Lakers faced in the Finals during their threepeat in the early 00s? If you guys think that the 90s and 00s had better teams top to bottom then you're lying.
Fuck, at least the East had Lebron and the KG Celtics during the 00s cause that entire conference was fucking trash.
I'll take 2010+ ball over 2000-2009 all day.
Like, ffs, did we already forget Spurs vs Nets and Spurs vs Pistons and whatever steaming pile of garbage the Lakers faced in the Finals during their threepeat in the early 00s? If you guys think that the 90s and 00s had better teams top to bottom then you're lying.
Fuck, at least the East had Lebron and the KG Celtics during the 00s cause that entire conference was fucking trash.
I'll take 2010+ ball over 2000-2009 all day.
Kings haven't made the playoffs since 2006 and the last two years they made it they weren't that good. If the Kings is your argument as to the league being better in the 00s... yea I rest my case.
I liked Detroit and the Spurs but they were grind and pound teams that weren't very pleasing to watch. 81-74 Finals scores zzz. Even Popovich relented and went Beatiful Basketball post-2010, and that was one of the funnest teams to watch.
I liked Detroit and the Spurs but they were grind and pound teams that weren't very pleasing to watch. 81-74 Finals scores zzz. Even Popovich relented and went Beatiful Basketball post-2010, and that was one of the funnest teams to watch.
This year's GSW isn't even as good as last year's.
I think I was pretty clear concerning what the finals looks like from the East. As for the West, yeah, you could pencil in four teams in the semis.
I think I was pretty clear concerning what the finals looks like from the East. As for the West, yeah, you could pencil in four teams in the semis.
omg I totally forgot that the 2005 Finals featured a single game where one team scored over a 100 points. Just a single one out of 14. Bleh.
By reilo Go To PostKings haven't made the playoffs since 2006 and the last two years they made it they weren't that good. If the Kings is your argument as to the league being better in the 00s⌠yea I rest my case.
I liked Detroit and the Spurs but they were grind and pound teams that weren't very pleasing to watch. 85-83 Finals scores zzz. Even Popovich relented and went Beatiful Basketball post-2010, and that was one of the funnest teams to watch.
Not just the Kings, young pre-Derron Williams runs Sloan out of Utah Jazz, and 76ers on the back of AI too. The Suns were one Robert Horray sabotage away from a finals, and arguably a 'ship.
I do feel that the field was just more expansive back then. The 80's was bad too, but I was too young to care.
I didn't mind the grind and pound. Detroit's upset of the Lakers was the best thing I witnessed in all of my sports life, only to be topped by the Red Sox coming back in the series 0-3 against the Yankees. The Spurs single-handedly dismantling the Heat was pretty good to watch too.
Pop retooled for Beautiful Basketball because Duncan got schooled by Zebo in one of those playoff runs against the Grizzlies. Ibaka was manhandling him against the Thunder too. So the change in offensive focus was necessary. It had nothing to do with "fun" but what wins.
The Suns were great and a precursor to this era. Blessed were those Suns and defied all conventions at the time. But the league is still better today and far more talented. The point guard position alone is fucking crazy.
AI 76ers were only fun to watch cause of AI but that team was garbage roster lol. My god, who was the second best player on that squad? Does anyone dare say?
Sloan Jazz were paper tigers. And yea Pop retooled out of necessity which is my point, and it ended up being the best Spurs squad I've seen.
AI 76ers were only fun to watch cause of AI but that team was garbage roster lol. My god, who was the second best player on that squad? Does anyone dare say?
Sloan Jazz were paper tigers. And yea Pop retooled out of necessity which is my point, and it ended up being the best Spurs squad I've seen.
I watched all that 00s shit, give me this season any day. Like yeah, there's only 2.5 teams that have a chance at making the finals (Spurs get half a respect point even though they're not doing it). But that's not because the field is bad, it's because we get to watch two of the best teams that have ever existed. Lebron is probably a top 3 player ever. Golden State is the best on-paper team of all time, and somehow there's a team in the league at the same time that can beat them. How crazy is that?
Beyond that, there are like 6 guys playing MVP level ball. There are teams having historic offensive seasons. Just watching, across the board I feel like I'm seeing more high skill plays on a given night than ever. Like, Isaiah Thomas 2's highlight reel from last week looked like 70s hall of famer shit, and nobody's even going to remember it by tomorrow. Analytics has had a huge effect on the game, and we're seeing it played smarter and better than ever. Drafting has gotten better (remember the grainy bigfoot film of unknown 7'2 Lithuanians back in the Chad Ford days?). The number of players around the world coming from established basketball systems is higher than ever.
We have it good right now, man. 15 years from now when ESPN and network TV are just shadows of their former selves, the money's started to dry up and young athletes are dreaming of big soccer money or something, we'll probably be looking back on Curry vs. Lebron as a golden age.
Beyond that, there are like 6 guys playing MVP level ball. There are teams having historic offensive seasons. Just watching, across the board I feel like I'm seeing more high skill plays on a given night than ever. Like, Isaiah Thomas 2's highlight reel from last week looked like 70s hall of famer shit, and nobody's even going to remember it by tomorrow. Analytics has had a huge effect on the game, and we're seeing it played smarter and better than ever. Drafting has gotten better (remember the grainy bigfoot film of unknown 7'2 Lithuanians back in the Chad Ford days?). The number of players around the world coming from established basketball systems is higher than ever.
We have it good right now, man. 15 years from now when ESPN and network TV are just shadows of their former selves, the money's started to dry up and young athletes are dreaming of big soccer money or something, we'll probably be looking back on Curry vs. Lebron as a golden age.
By livefromkyoto Go To PostGolden State is the best on-paper team of all time
By reilo Go To Post2001 Sixers wouldn't crack 30 wins with that roster in 2016.
I think you just set off the Blackace signal, but I'll do it first -
Like hell they wouldn't. One of the best scorers of all time with one of the best defensive players ever, and a set of role players who are fast as hell and everybody can defend? That's a better team than OKC, that's for sure.
By DY_nasty Go To Post
I'm tossing this one back & forth in my head, but I think Nash needs to be on-paper 10 years younger to compare. All those Warriors dudes are in their prime.
But I do like the Dwight/Draymond parallel as the big talented but stubborn dummy who fucks it up for everybody else.
I mean, this is Orlando Dwight. Homie was a shoe-in 1st ballot HoF center who changed the game on defense.
By reilo Go To Post2001 Sixers wouldn't crack 30 wins with that roster in 2016.I mean the 6ers were great on D and AI in a league where the D can't even look at him harshly would eat...don't think they be an elite team like 01 but saying they wouldn't win 30 games... I don't see it
By livefromkyoto Go To PostI think you just set off the Blackace signal, but I'll do it first -you know me too well
Like hell they wouldn't. One of the best scorers of all time with one of the best defensive players ever, and a set of role players who are fast as hell and everybody can defend? That's a better team than OKC, that's for sure.
Yea the level of talent right now is insane. I really don't know how starting guards are surviving right now. The talent is so stupid every night
By Dark PhaZe Go To PostYea the level of talent right now is insane. I really don't know how starting guards are surviving right now. The talent is so stupid every nightthey all rest on D
http://awfulannouncing.com/2016/john-wall-is-mad-espn-wont-nationally-televise-his-poorly-playing-poorly-drawing-wizards.html
john john john *facepalm*
âŚâI know you got to be able to win,â Wall said. âWe didnât get off to a great start [like] we wanted to, but we do have an all-star thatâs been in the All-Star Game three times: me. And hopefully I can be [an all-star] again, and hopefully we can add Brad [Beal] and somebody else. We had five [national games] at the beginning of the year, and now we have four. And you never know, they might take another one. I feel like itâs back to what I said before: If you donât have League Pass or NBA TV, you donât see the Wizards.â
Wallâs previous argument, referenced there, is that heâs not named to all-NBA teams (and thus, not eligible for the new high-paying designated veteran deal) because he doesnât get enough national television exposure:
âWe donât play on TV a lot so a lot of people donât get to see us play. If you donât have NBA League Pass and stuff like that, you donât see the things that Iâm doing in the game or what weâre doing trying to win,â Wall said Thursday. âSo if you ainât checking on Twitter and stuff like that, you donât know. All these other teams get a lot of TV games, thatâs why they get these accolades from the media and fan votes. Until we get an opportunity to be on TV more, it would be tough for people to realize and see what I do.â
john john john *facepalm*
he's right
and his money is being affected by this kind of thing now too by having certain awards tied specifically to contracts
and his money is being affected by this kind of thing now too by having certain awards tied specifically to contracts
By diehard Go To PostNo, he's not right. Who should he have been All-NBA over?
He knows you have to win to make all nba.
âI feel like itâs amazing and crazy because I had my best year, like, two years ago, my second year [as an] all-star, I averaged 20 and 10 and was a starter but couldnât make all-NBA team,â Wall said. âSo I mean, you want those individual accolades but itâs to the point that [if] you get your recognition, then you get it. You only get those [individual honors] by winning. When I did and had an opportunity to win, I still didnât make it.â
Sportswriters and broadcasters decide the all nba vote. His point is that he's not being given an opportunity to play in front of them. He hasn't earned in the past, but the Wiz are trending up in wins and could be in a position by seasons end for him to be as good as any other guard vying for NBA third team. But he's facing an uphill battle in getting that honor when he's not seen. The NBA third team this year is going to be a really tight race. There are a lot of guys balling out.
Why isn't Kemba out there bitching about his audience? They have less national TV games than the Wizards. DMC will make All-NBA, no voter isn't going to put him in because they somehow don't know what he is doing because the Kings only have 2 national TV games, same thing with Giannis.. or Marc Gasol.
If anybody has the right to complain it's the Raptors.. they have a damn good team with some great players and they have 6 national tv games.
If anybody has the right to complain it's the Raptors.. they have a damn good team with some great players and they have 6 national tv games.
By Omzz Go To PostSo Jokic is the nuggets' best player rightProbably. Matt Moore of Hardwood Paroxysm and CBS Sports things he is their best passer, at the very least.
I guess I just like defense. Scores where both teams are over 100 bother me. Like the Cavs and Celtics last night. 124-118 in regulation?
The bottom half of the West is so bad that the Pelicans are only two games out of the playoffs as of now.
I'm guessing that Jokic will lead Denver to the 8th seed and Denver will pull away and maybe reach .500, but that could be an... interesting race for 8th.
But really though, Jokic has a 64% TS% and a 24% AST% and he's only in his second year. Just a ridiculous player and prospect.
I'm guessing that Jokic will lead Denver to the 8th seed and Denver will pull away and maybe reach .500, but that could be an... interesting race for 8th.
But really though, Jokic has a 64% TS% and a 24% AST% and he's only in his second year. Just a ridiculous player and prospect.
By Phoenix RISING Go To PostI guess I just like defense. Scores where both teams are over 100 bother me. Like the Cavs and Celtics last night. 124-118 in regulation?Defenses play smarter and force guys into more difficult shots more often than before.
Like, look how bad the PnR defense is in this highlight video:
Stockton and Malone are great and would be just as legendary today, but look how badly the defenses guarded their pick and roll/pop. Some of that was rules changes making it harder to guard, but a lot of it is just cluelessness about what to do.
Teams also play a fuckton faster than they used to. The game started out with a pace even faster than it is today, but gradually slowed until we got the ugly fuck-ball of the late 90's and early aughts. Compared to the 80s, the pace and scoring today are lower than they have been in the past.
This year, the league average pace is 96.3 with 104.3 ppg. In the 80s, the slowest pace was 98.3 and lowest average ppg was 107.0, both in '89. You can compare many stats between seasons here: http://www.basketball-reference.com/leagues/NBA_stats.html
By Kibner Go To PostDefenses play smarter and force guys into more difficult shots more often than before.Defenses can play zone today... let's calm down
Like, look how bad the PnR defense is in this highlight video:
Stockton and Malone are great and would be just as legendary today, but look how badly the defenses guarded their pick and roll/pop. Some of that was rules changes making it harder to guard, but a lot of it is just cluelessness about what to do.
Teams also play a fuckton faster than they used to. The game started out with a pace even faster than it is today, but gradually slowed until we got the ugly fuck-ball of the late 90's and early aughts. Compared to the 80s, the pace and scoring today are lower than they have been in the past.
This year, the league average pace is 96.3 with 104.3 ppg. In the 80s, the slowest pace was 98.3 and lowest average ppg was 107.0, both in '89. You can compare many stats between seasons here: http://www.basketball-reference.com/leagues/NBA_stats.html
By livefromkyoto Go To PostI think you just set off the Blackace signal, but I'll do it first -Don't let the high scoring output games fool you: defenses in today's NBA are great and as complex as they've ever been. I just feel like the talent is eclipsing it nightly.
Like hell they wouldn't. One of the best scorers of all time with one of the best defensive players ever, and a set of role players who are fast as hell and everybody can defend? That's a better team than OKC, that's for sure.
And Westbrook is putting up crazier numbers this season than AI did that year, and OKC won't be sniffing the Finals. They'll be lucky to make it out of the first round. That's the point.
30 wins is me exaggerating but that Sixers squad would be nothing in today's NBA, let alone 50-wins and a Finals appearance.
By Phoenix RISING Go To PostI guess I just like defense. Scores where both teams are over 100 bother me. Like the Cavs and Celtics last night. 124-118 in regulation?Do you enjoy 6-3 NFL scores, too?
Here is the list of seasons with scoring under 100 ppg:
1946-47
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1995-96
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1946-47
1947-48
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1949-50
1950-51
1951-52
1952-53
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1954-55
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1956-57
1995-96
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By blackace Go To PostDefenses can play zone today⌠let's calm downYes, that is why I said "Some of that was rules changes making it harder to guard, but a lot of it is just cluelessness about what to do."