By reilo Go To PostExactly! And the product is the most entertaining it's ever been. Chris Bosh was labeled "soft" for not getting his ass in the post but his skill set was just the dawn of today's era and it was a major key in Miami. A guy like Draymond would've been benched and never seen the light of day in the 90's because hall of fame coaching thought he was doing too much of the thing that makes him hyper valuable today and not enough of the shit long gone from an era I hope we never see again.
I think you mis-interpreted Tea's post. They were extolling the fact that even comparing era's is silly because the skill set today is radically different, it's basically a different game.
Not that the 90's would fuck up the modern game.
By DY_nasty Go To Postso nice to see film back up what I've been saying for years lolBut you were also saying Kris Dunn was going to win Rookie of the Year so
you can't have teams just not guard the ballhandler. even brandon jennings requires a guy to stay somewhat near him
By DY_nasty Go To Postso nice to see film back up what I've been saying for years lolDon't think anyone would argue that Rubio wouldn't be better, and the wolves, if he could shoot / be a legitimate scoring threat.
you can't have teams just not guard the ballhandler. even brandon jennings requires a guy to stay somewhat near him
It's just that they don't have better options.
By reilo Go To PostExactly! And the product is the most entertaining it's ever been. Chris Bosh was labeled "soft" for not getting his ass in the post but his skill set was just the dawn of today's era and it was a major key in Miami. A guy like Draymond would've been benched and never seen the light of day in the 90's because hall of fame coaching thought he was doing too much of the thing that makes him hyper valuable today and not enough of the shit long gone from an era I hope we never see again.He was still soft af.
Who really wants to see Barkley-types in 2016 getting the ball near the three point line and start positing up for twenty feet at a time to the point they had to devise a rule to keep it under 5 seconds?
Said as much too. "Post play is hard"
And Draymond would've feasted in the 90s too. I watched Anthony Mason fuck basketball in the ass breh. I watched that shit live. I had a season pass.
By giririsss Go To PostDon't think anyone would argue that Rubio wouldn't be better, and the wolves, if he could shoot / be a legitimate scoring threat.I think that's always been the crux of my argument. Rubio is a really good, but limited player. They could upgrade at that position, but who is that upgrade and how do they get him? I don't think it's easy to find someone that is a defender and distributor on the same level. Tyus Jones isn't the solution, sorry, coach Nick. He should be getting all of Dunn's minutes, though.
It's just that they don't have better options.
I quite honestly find anyone watching the team this year and coming to the conclusion that Rubio is a problem, or even the problem, to be pretty nuts. He didn't play well the first 20ish games, but when they break down and let opponents go on huge runs, it has a whole hell of a lot more to do with the point Wiggins offense, Thibs's preference for calling isolations and team's systematic defensive problems.
By DY_nasty Go To PostHe was still soft af.
Said as much too. "Post play is hard"
And Draymond would've feasted in the 90s too. I watched Anthony Mason fuck basketball in the ass breh. I watched that shit live. I had a season pass.
Yeah... Bosh was Soft. I mean... It's a double edge thing. He played hard on D. But wimped out a bit on O. But he also had to become a shooter / spacer because of the rest of the team. But he also admitted it was because playing in the post was very physical.
Anthony Mason probably had like 20 pounds on Green. Their games where somewhat similar but theyre two different animals physically
By giririsss Go To PostI think you mis-interpreted Tea's post. They were extolling the fact that even comparing era's is silly because the skill set today is radically different, it's basically a different game.Yes also even today just looking at modern stats compared to each other is crazy because centers aren't going to really dive out to other centers that are shooting from 3. Unless they're already pulling up they might get a hand. When you got that going on even comparing stat lines from game to game can be misleading.
Not that the 90's would fuck up the modern game.
Also I prefer dunks over threes so I get bored with todays ball. Different strokes.
By rodeoclown Go To PostI think that's always been the crux of my argument. Rubio is a really good, but limited player. They could upgrade at that position, but who is that upgrade and how do they get him? I don't think it's easy to find someone that is a defender and distributor on the same level. Tyus Jones isn't the solution, sorry, coach Nick. He should be getting all of Dunn's minutes, though.It's the thing the C's ran into with Rondo, though he could finish at the rim.
I quite honestly find anyone watching the team this year and coming to the conclusion that Rubio is a problem, or even the problem, to be pretty nuts. He didn't play well the first 20ish games, but when they break down and let opponents go on huge runs, it has a whole hell of a lot more to do with the point Wiggins offense, Thibs's preference for calling isolations and team's systematic defensive problems.
If your PG can't shoot, everyone else has to.
Djeng can't. So it hurts twice as much.
Would bledsoe be better for that team? Maybe. Would Wall?
A point guard can make or break a team. Look at the Jazz. WCF team with Hill. 1st rounders with out.
And it's exacerbated by the fact that Wiggins is seeming MIA on anything other than scoring. And LaVine isn't a great defender either. They could have Portlans problem.
But it's getting to a point where they're probably going to HAVE to try something, just for the sake of trying it.
Ray Allen was born too soon.
By masud Go To PostAnthony Mason probably had like 20 pounds on Green. Their games where somewhat similar but theyre two different animals physicallyGreen's just a slimmer, quicker version of Mason imo. I don't think they're all that far apart. If Green needed to add more weight because of the demands of the league, I don't think it'd impact him too heavy.
By rodeoclown Go To PostI think that's always been the crux of my argument. Rubio is a really good, but limited player. They could upgrade at that position, but who is that upgrade and how do they get him? I don't think it's easy to find someone that is a defender and distributor on the same level. Tyus Jones isn't the solution, sorry, coach Nick. He should be getting all of Dunn's minutes, though.There comes a point in every franchise's history where they just have to give a Mudiay all the minutes.
I quite honestly find anyone watching the team this year and coming to the conclusion that Rubio is a problem, or even the problem, to be pretty nuts. He didn't play well the first 20ish games, but when they break down and let opponents go on huge runs, it has a whole hell of a lot more to do with the point Wiggins offense, Thibs's preference for calling isolations and team's systematic defensive problems.
woah woah lets back off on that WCF team stuff. we just happy to be here.
Mavs @ Lakers was really the game i wanted to see tonight
Mavs @ Lakers was really the game i wanted to see tonight
By diehard Go To Postwoah woah lets back off on that WCF team stuff. we just happy to be here.With all your players healthy ?
Mavs @ Lakers was really the game i wanted to see tonight
Anything less than the 2nd round is under achieving. WCF should be the baseline though.
I also think the wolves are too young to figure out how to work through rubios handicap too
but talking shit got my team daggered by ***** **** in 2016 so I'll chill
but talking shit got my team daggered by ***** **** in 2016 so I'll chill
By DY_nasty Go To PostI also think the wolves are too young to figure out how to work through rubios handicap tooThey are.
but talking shit got my team daggered by ***** **** in 2016 so I'll chill
But they should be better than they are.
By giririsss Go To PostThey are.Their 3 main guys have never experienced the roadblocks that a court featuring action between Dieng/Rubio provides.
But they should be better than they are.
Its not their entire problem, but its a huge hurdle that I don't think a lot of people really account for. Defense is constantly going to be a step ahead no matter what they do. Hell, it might by Wiggins ISOs look so attractive....
By CRUD Go To PostBasically. Its Westbrook this season.surprised your first response wasn't harden.
Anthony Mason never cracked the top 5 at his position. Let's not rewrite history. Malone, Barkley, Baker, Kemp, Webber, quite a few others... Let's be real and not pretend he was to his era what Draymond is now.
By Gabyskra Go To PostAnthony Mason never cracked the top 5 at his position. Let's not rewrite history. Malone, Barkley, Baker, Kemp, Webber, quite a few others… Let's be real and not pretend he was to his era what Draymond is now.Oh naw, reilo said he wouldn't see the light of day in the 90s. Draymond would've been crushed at center, but he still would be pretty damn good back then. Definitely think his skill set would've been dope back then.
Gorgui is a very good shooter all the way out to the line. If you want to say he's not the best fit next to Towns, well, yes, obviously. But he's not a "roadblock" to anything they try to run.
The Wolves problems on defense have to do with the part that the "big three" are collectively so abysmal that it mitigates whatever they do offensively. Rubio and Dieng are so not the team's problem and trying to blame them for this record is ludicrous. It comes from people that don't actually watch the team and pine for Kris Dunn to be out there.
By giririsss Go To PostIs Dieng that good defensively though, that you need him out there?He's not a good defender, but check this out:
The Wolves problems on defense have to do with the part that the "big three" are collectively so abysmal that it mitigates whatever they do offensively. Rubio and Dieng are so not the team's problem and trying to blame them for this record is ludicrous. It comes from people that don't actually watch the team and pine for Kris Dunn to be out there.
i watched yal dagger my team too, its not easy talking this kinda shit rodeo
yal need to just let dunn go out there and just have fun
yal need to just let dunn go out there and just have fun
By Tea Go To PostI haven't paid attention to the Wolves at all, why hasn't Dunn started? Just like break him in.Rookie PG getting set up for success? Not until he can run a dribble hand-off while sleepwalking
By Tea Go To PostI haven't paid attention to the Wolves at all, why hasn't Dunn started? Just like break him in.What has he done to deserve more minutes? He's a worse shooter than Rubio, a lousy decision maker and he can't do much more to create for others than making simple plays. The numbers are something: 9.0 PER, 45% TS, 20% assist rate to 21% turnover rate.
Also, he's about to be 23. So you know, this is fine.
By DY_nasty Go To PostHe was still soft af.
Said as much too. "Post play is hard"
And Draymond would've feasted in the 90s too. I watched Anthony Mason fuck basketball in the ass breh. I watched that shit live. I had a season pass.
By rodeoclown Go To PostWhat has he done to deserve more minutes? He's a worse shooter than Rubio, a lousy decision maker and he can't do much more to create for others than making simple plays. The numbers are something: 9.0 PER, 45% TS, 20% assist rate to 21% turnover rate.Mannnnnn Julius Randle has more freedom than Dunn lol
Also, he's about to be 23. So you know, this is fine.
By DY_nasty Go To PostRookie PG getting set up for success? Not until he can run a dribble hand-off while sleepwalkingThey handed this rookie starting minutes when Rubio missed a few games and he got vastly outplayed by Tyus. This rookie that is two years older than Tyus and played four years in college.
To say the Wolves have nothing for Dunn is stupid. He plays way more than he should given his production on the court.
So the answer instead of like just breaking in a rookie is to play with the same team from last year? That did so well?
By giririsss Go To PostOKC's record needs to be top 5 for him to get it.With all the triple-double he's getting? lmao
By Tea Go To PostSo the answer instead of like just breaking in a rookie is to play with the same team from last year? That did so well?He's played 546mins already? Not sure he's earned more than 20mpg. He kinda sucks.
Wolves offense being top 10 is not.... Their offense is not a constant. They have no control over what they're most successful at.
I don't even think Thibs knows what to do with a PG anyways. Its not like he made Rose and Kirk was one of the best backup PGs you could ever ask for.
By rodeoclown Go To PostThey handed this rookie starting minutes when Rubio missed a few games and he got vastly outplayed by Tyus. This rookie that is two years older than Tyus and played four years in college.You invest in a PG, you actually invest in him imo - the Wolves aren't so good that they can cling to a guy who hasn't made a significant improvement in 3 years. Don't put him out there with nothing fluid to run outside of get him, him, and him the ball and oh yeah beat out this fan favorite that can do no wrong in the eyes of a fanbase that's been through hell for the past decade.
To say the Wolves have nothing for Dunn is stupid. He plays way more than he should given his production on the court.
I don't even think Thibs knows what to do with a PG anyways. Its not like he made Rose and Kirk was one of the best backup PGs you could ever ask for.
By vic Go To PostWith all the triple-double he's getting? lmaomany guys have put up empty stat seasons.
By giririsss Go To Postmany guys have put up empty stat seasons.Empt... sure. I ain't biting bruh.
BTW, KJack pls do me a favor and freaking destroy the Celtics tonight.
By giririsss Go To Postmany guys have put up empty stat seasons.these some goat empty stats
MVP hasn't been anything outside a top 2-3 seed since the media got involved in voting so it's whatever.
triple double + playoffs will earn him mvp regardless
that triple double is like....its been too long and the media has always been hype for it
that triple double is like....its been too long and the media has always been hype for it
I think we just fundamentally differ in the idea that Dunn should play just because he was the fifth pick. I don't believe that he should get handed anything. There's nothing wrong with making him earn a spot and, frankly, I don't think it would do him any good at all to get a bunch of minutes he's just not ready to play. If was tasked with playing 30 minutes a night right now, he'd be even more over his head and I don't think he'd learn much at all.
Of course, I don't think it says much that my college senior rookie isn't ready for NBA backup minutes, but I digress.
Of course, I don't think it says much that my college senior rookie isn't ready for NBA backup minutes, but I digress.
By reilo Go To PostPilon was right
I'm always right
By rodeoclown Go To PostI think we just fundamentally differ in the idea that Dunn should play just because he was the fifth pick. I don't believe that he should get handed anything.
This is true. There are plenty of guys picked in the top 10 who just don't pan out as NBA starters. Fans always think their new Pokemon just needs to grind for more XP, but if you're not doing it against backups more minutes isn't fixing anything.
Larry Brown was right.
sessions has to miss his family right? can't he just go home?
there's a big misconception that older guys are ahead of younger players right out the gate when they just have a different learning curve - a lot of which is unlearning NCAA hoops and adapting to the speed of the game. that's 4 years of 35 second shot clock and having the world revolve around you for most of it. if it takes shooters like mcbuckets a while then its definitely gonna take time for the guy that's supposed to adapt his entire outlook from big ten to NBA offense
By rodeoclown Go To PostI think we just fundamentally differ in the idea that Dunn should play just because he was the fifth pick. I don't believe that he should get handed anything. There's nothing wrong with making him earn a spot and, frankly, I don't think it would do him any good at all to get a bunch of minutes he's just not ready to play. If was tasked with playing 30 minutes a night right now, he'd be even more over his head and I don't think he'd learn much at all.meh, even buddy turned it around and he's significantly worse at everything
Of course, I don't think it says much that my college senior rookie isn't ready for NBA backup minutes, but I digress.
there's a big misconception that older guys are ahead of younger players right out the gate when they just have a different learning curve - a lot of which is unlearning NCAA hoops and adapting to the speed of the game. that's 4 years of 35 second shot clock and having the world revolve around you for most of it. if it takes shooters like mcbuckets a while then its definitely gonna take time for the guy that's supposed to adapt his entire outlook from big ten to NBA offense
By DY_nasty Go To PostGreen's just a slimmer, quicker version of Mason imo. I don't think they're all that far apart. If Green needed to add more weight because of the demands of the league, I don't think it'd impact him too heavy.
Draymond dropped about 20lbs coming into his second season. Made him a lot more agile and improved his mobility on defense.
By reilo Go To PostHe's played 546mins already? Not sure he's earned more than 20mpg. He kinda sucks.CJ sucked just as hard out the gate
By DY_nasty Go To PostMiami is playing way too hard for a tanking team. They should really chill on the road.
it's all we have