"Pornography Is What the End of the World Looks Like" O_o

The type of mind to "logically" come to that conclusion scares me.

I mean... you'd have to be the Jolly Green Giant to make leaps this big.

really though I think whoever wrote this is projecting

I can't believe the SWERFs (sex worker exclusionary feminists) and TERFs (trans-exclusionary radical feminists) are still so prominent in journalism.

Nobody cares, you guys lost decades ago, let it go. There are plenty of super feminists now who love BDSM or work in sex work or support the right to engage in either.

Europe is still too influenced by this paternalism bullshit too.

By IWMTB19I can't believe the SWERFs (sex worker exclusionary feminists) and TERFs (trans-exclusionary radical feminists) are still so prominent in journalism.

Nobody cares, you guys lost decades ago, let it go. There are plenty of super feminists now who love BDSM or work in sex work or support the right to engage in either.

Europe is still too influenced by this paternalism *$&% too.

Academia is home to radical ideas. This is how we create new knowledge. Right now, there are sectors within social sciences that are trending toward pornography as a "gateway" into other forms of sexuality which we once found as deviant as pornography. The article's poor elevation of the current debate does not negate its legitimacy, and that is, sex-positive feminists have no answers for absolving the relationship between the misogyny of the majority of the porn industry (where those have sought to create female-sensitive smut is from former stars creating their own studios), human trafficking, and sex-work. They are as congealed as the "interlocking systems of oppression," race, class, and gender.

The stuff about children comes in with human trafficking. Sex slavery is really what (secular) people are discussing when it comes to a negative outlook on porn. If one is critical about the porn that they consume, then the question as to why is there a "teen" category on most websites when in the actual practice of (English) language, we say "teen" and are not thinking "age of consent" (in the US) at 18-19. We're thinking younger. Furthermore, many actresses in that category could be upwards of 26, but they "look" the part by wearing certain clothes or wearing pigtails, etc, just as younger girls in human trafficking are often made to look older. The lack of pubic hair in porn serves several different functions, but I would urge skeptics to not be so dismissive of the correlation to pre-pubescence. I can immediately think of two Asian actresses who were typecasted into the "teen" niche even though they have been around (and I *DO* mean AROUND). I would certainly be disappointed if those familiar with early-modern (English) lit (especially theatre, where boys played women) were as incredulous.

IIRC some of the leaks from teh fappening of certain celebs included some underage stuff, too. This is the precarious nature of an industry which appeals to the most visceral parts of one of our most basic survival instincts (reproduction), and creates demand which influences us to stretch our moral limits.

Neurology also has been recently breaking down how the brain processes extreme levels of dopamine (and related endorphins, oxytocin) when they can be acquired with little effort. It's fascinating (and terrifying) stuff.

As far as "What the End of the World Looks Like, " sure. One of my favorite novelists, Octavia Butler wrote a sci-fi/fantasy novel called Fledgeling addresses that very topic, by having a 50+ year old vampire masquerade as a 10-year old girl who seduces a grown man. And that's published over a thirty years *AFTER* Interview with a Vampire.

Just pay attention to age-of-consent debates on That Other Forum. It's coming. Far too many people are occupied with bashing the author rather than (global) moral trends.

Tyler closed the topic.

Dude is on a roll this week.

By Zero ToleranceTyler closed the topic.

Dude is on a roll this week.

I just want to clear this up. You can say neo gaf. We don't care. They're just another website.

Just like you can say reddit etc etc.

Saw this on Covenant Eyes, STOP Risky Sex, and Pornography Harms. It's more succinct.

By Zero Tolerance

By IWMTB19I can't believe the SWERFs (sex worker exclusionary feminists) and TERFs (trans-exclusionary radical feminists) are still so prominent in journalism.

Nobody cares, you guys lost decades ago, let it go. There are plenty of super feminists now who love BDSM or work in sex work or support the right to engage in either.

Europe is still too influenced by this paternalism *$&% too.

Academia is home to radical ideas. This is how we create new knowledge.

Broadly speaking, Academia does far more to nurture and legitimize bad ideas and thinking, particularly within the humanities, where people can couch themselves in a blanket of relativism and "just asking questions".

Right now, there are sectors within social sciences that are trending toward pornography as a "gateway" into other forms of sexuality which we once found as deviant as pornography. The article's poor elevation of the current debate does not negate its legitimacy, and that is, sex-positive feminists have no answers for absolving the relationship between the misogyny of the majority of the porn industry (where those have sought to create female-sensitive smut is from former stars creating their own studios), human trafficking, and sex-work. They are as congealed as the "interlocking systems of oppression," race, class, and gender.

This is a mere assertion, with no real proof. There is, of course, misogyny within porn and the porn industry, but A) the porn industry is not nearly what it was even ten years ago, given the saturation of content the internet provides and the ability of amateur and homemade videos/stars to emerge, and B) it's impossible to disentangle whether the porn industry is productive of more misogyny, rather than merely catering to that which is already out there, and whether in doing either it actually increases abuse.

The stuff about children comes in with human trafficking. Sex slavery is really what (secular) people are discussing when it comes to a negative outlook on porn. If one is critical about the porn that they consume, then the question as to why is there a "teen" category on most websites when in the actual practice of (English) language, we say "teen" and are not thinking "age of consent" (in the US) at 18-19. We're thinking younger. Furthermore, many actresses in that category could be upwards of 26, but they "look" the part by wearing certain clothes or wearing pigtails, etc, just as younger girls in human trafficking are often made to look older. The lack of pubic hair in porn serves several different functions, but I would urge skeptics to not be so dismissive of the correlation to pre-pubescence. I can immediately think of two Asian actresses who were typecasted into the "teen" niche even though they have been around (and I *DO* mean AROUND). I would certainly be disappointed if those familiar with early-modern (English) lit (especially theatre, where boys played women) were as incredulous.

I'm well-familiar with early-modern lit - when you study theatre, you pretty much have to be, given that your biggest theatrical gravy train (Shakespeare) is the premier writer still known from that time - and yes, I'm well aware that the young boys in those plays were suspected to have been subject to various forms of abuse and exploitation. However, again, this is all mere assertion, and it's pretty foolish (not to mention condescending) to suggest that people are unable to form a wall of separation between fantasy and reality when they consume pornography. It reminds me of arguments that violent video games were stoking violent behavior, even as the era in which they became (and remained) popular was one that saw the continuation of a decrease in violent crimes that began decades ago. Likewise, I've seen zero evidence, other than (usually badly-written) theoretical assertions suggesting that child abuse and human sex trafficking are worsening with the rise of popularity in porn, and even were such a connection show, it would be virtually impossible to disentangle said correlation from the nature of how modern society connects and operates. Even if it's true that shaved genitals in porn are supposed to evoke prepubescence - though you'd have to explain the fact that most male genitalia in porn, that I've seen, are ALSO shaved, implying that there's just something appealing about the look of unobstructed genitalia - that doesn't mean necessarily mean that people who consume such porn are any more likely to move on to actually abusive forms of entertainment or action. Sex abuse and human trafficking LONG predate porn, after all.

IIRC some of the leaks from teh fappening of certain celebs included some underage stuff, too. This is the precarious nature of an industry which appeals to the most visceral parts of one of our most basic survival instincts (reproduction), and creates demand which influences us to stretch our moral limits.

What? People wanted the leaked nudes because we live in a culture that provides fodder for and encourages bullshit celebrity worship, the idea that celebrities are not just deserving of attention for whatever thing makes them famous but are just "special" on the whole. Most of the leaked photos were of actors and actresses specifically chosen because they were good matches to the universal human conception of beauty as well as the cultural markers of attractiveness our society currently values. Nude leaks are the logical consequence of broadcasting beautiful people in a culture that nurtures people's worst instincts to put such figures on a pedestal. If it's true that some of the nude leaks were of underaged celebs, well, that's bad, but again, pedophilia and ephebophilia are fetishes that LONG predate pornography, and there's no real evidence that they've gotten worse as a result of it. You'll always have bad apples engaging in ill behavior

Neurology also has been recently breaking down how the brain processes extreme levels of dopamine (and related endorphins, oxytocin) when they can be acquired with little effort. It's fascinating (and terrifying) stuff.

Pornography is hardly the only culprit here, though, and I'd need some hard evidence before considering it the worst one.

As far as "What the End of the World Looks Like, " sure. One of my favorite novelists, Octavia Butler wrote a sci-fi/fantasy novel called Fledgeling addresses that very topic, by having a 50+ year old vampire masquerade as a 10-year old girl who seduces a grown man. And that's published over a thirty years *AFTER* Interview with a Vampire.

So... somebody wrote a fictive book? And?

Just pay attention to age-of-consent debates on That Other Forum. It's coming. Far too many people are occupied with bashing the author rather than (global) moral trends.

Well, I personally think the national age of consent for sexual activity, itself, should be 16, as I don't think having sex is necessarily a more consequential or fraught decision than the other activity that we entrust to 16-year-olds (driving), but that's really another question entirely.

The author, here, does a bad job, but that's BECAUSE so many of the ideas, themselves, are not good, are the types of oddly hermetic thinking that are only really possible among Academics who interact only tangentially with the real world. I'm a pretty big detractor of humanities departments in Academia, having experienced them firsthand, and ill-wrought articles and modes of thought like this are a big part of why.

Am I the only one that thought this was an official thread? Dodged that bullet like Neo. Honestly, porn did mess up this generation. We didn't have xvideos. You had to talk to women to get them draws. They grow up with cable modems and videos. I'd be mentally fucked if I grew up with xvideos, smartphones, and high speed connections.

I don't like the hints or suggestions of the woman in the film being underage. It's creepy. Obviously child porn needs to be hard deleted and the perps sent to jail for a long time.

As for the rest I believe that has to headed off not by censorship but by education of your children. I don't care if it's "difficult" or "uncomfortable." If you bring another human being into this world, do the right thing and prepare them as best you can for exposure to various things. This doesn't mean you need to get high with them, show them your own porn stash or desensitize them to violence with gory movies but it does mean a real conversation about what they're being exposed to, what they have seen or will see and letting them come straight to you if and when they're questioning something. They can and will get those answers from someone else and who knows what that person will tell them or get them to try to do.

Also for the love of god explain how fake porn is so they don't get warped about expectations either for themselves or the other person.