By livefromkyotoBy KingGondoAnd from the only guy whose opinion matters:By Chris PalmerDude who averages 3 pts & 3 rebs gets 2-year/$8m extension. No wonder they won't make the playoffs.By Kevin Durant@ChrisPalmerNBA means a lot coming from a dude who got fired for being a dumbass
In case anyone forgot that Palmer is on the level of a D-tier forum troll who started following basketball last summer when his big brother got a 360 with 2K for his birthday, here's the lol-filled recap:
http://swishnba.com/2013/05/16/espnchrispalmer-exposed/
Yea. Chris Palmer's an idiot. But so is the writer of that post. Not your best work.
By KingGondoBy VahagnThis seems like damage control. All of it. If Presti offers the full max, I don't think there's a person in the league that thinks Harden ends up in Houston.Me saying we got poor value for him and saying I disagree with the Thunder's hardline approach is damage control?
No, you saying that he wanted control of the levers, wanted guaranteed starting rights, wanted a no trade clause. Those kinds of statements sure seem like damage control when the overwhelming prevailing idea around the league is that OKC would have had Harden if they offered the max.
By Forever:-|By reiloThe idea of Harden or Durant in a Wizards jersey did come to mind but I was actually thinking of something involving Timothy McVeigh.By ForeverI just got a really fucked up idea for Gondo's avatar I'm not sure if I wanna go that far or not lol.
We shall see.
James Harden hoisting the Larry O'Brien trophy in a Sonics jersey?
By KingGondo:-|It was a dumb idea that I was never serious about, I just looked it up on Wiki and apparently he wasn't actually from OKC. For some reason I thought he was. Nevermind.
By ForeverWhy would it have mattered if he was from OKC or not? Everyone knows why he's associated with the city.By KingGondo:-|It was a dumb idea that I was never serious about, I just looked it up on Wiki and apparently he wasn't actually from OKC. For some reason I thought he was. Nevermind.
By reiloWhen in doubt, keep it to yourself.I was going to edit it out but then it got quoted.
While we're talking about lines, people do joke about Kobe's rape. What's the ruling on that?
By ForeverBy reiloWhen in doubt, keep it to yourself.I was going to edit it out but then it got quoted.
While we're talking about lines, people do joke about Kobe's rape. What's the ruling on that?
I don't joke when I call Kobe a rapist.
perhaps chris palmer's greatest moment was when he said carmelo was the best player to never win a ring
By ForeverThe idea of Harden or Durant in a Wizards jersey did come to mind but I was actually thinking of something involving Timothy McVeigh.
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By KingGondoThere were rumors that Harden wanted a no-trade clause or a guarantee of a starting role to take the Thunder's offer (contrary to his "I just want to win, I'll do whatever it takes" public remarks). Presti told him he'd be traded if he didn't accept the (large) offer (that would have put us into the tax) on the table, and James called Presti's bluff.
Lots happened during those negotiations that we don't know about. It was about more than money, it was about who makes decisions for the team and who has control. KD might be able to make demands like that, but not a guy who would have been the third banana. Loyalty is rewarded, and guys who don't show that get shipped out. I disagree with that approach to an extent, but I think that's what happened.
And I'll fully admit that we didn't get good value for him even if I think Adams is going to be really good
This is the dumbest thing I've ever read. And Vag posts here regularly.
By thekadFeel free to criticize the specific parts you disagree with.By KingGondoThere were rumors that Harden wanted a no-trade clause or a guarantee of a starting role to take the Thunder's offer (contrary to his "I just want to win, I'll do whatever it takes" public remarks). Presti told him he'd be traded if he didn't accept the (large) offer (that would have put us into the tax) on the table, and James called Presti's bluff.
Lots happened during those negotiations that we don't know about. It was about more than money, it was about who makes decisions for the team and who has control. KD might be able to make demands like that, but not a guy who would have been the third banana. Loyalty is rewarded, and guys who don't show that get shipped out. I disagree with that approach to an extent, but I think that's what happened.
And I'll fully admit that we didn't get good value for him even if I think Adams is going to be really good
This is the dumbest thing I've ever read. And Vag posts here regularly.
Why would he need to criticize unsubstantiated rumors? It's why they're rumors: you either believe them or you don't.
By reiloWhy would he need to criticize unsubstantiated rumors? It's why they're rumors: you either believe them or you don't.
Does this same logic apply to Kobe being a rapist?
By VahagnBy reiloWhy would he need to criticize unsubstantiated rumors? It's why they're rumors: you either believe them or you don't.
Does this same logic apply to Kobe being a rapist?
Kobe being charged with rape and then settling a civil suit after being sued for said rape isn't unsubstantiated rumors.
Bryant did, however, issue the following statement through his attorney, as part of an agreement with the accuser to dismiss the sexual assault charge
By Kobe BryantFirst, I want to apologize directly to the young woman involved in this incident. I want to apologize to her for my behavior that night and for the consequences she has suffered in the past year.
By Kobe BryantAfter months of reviewing discovery, listening to her attorney, and even her testimony in person, I now understand how she feels that she did not consent to this encounter.
I mean...
The overwhelming narrative from the Harden's agent/Presti meetings was Harden wanted a full max and Presti didn't want to give it (for reasons, most believed cause Harden wasn't a sure thing). Everyone assumed Presti would eventually give in.
Presti was supposedly using the trade as a way to flex since it was the first time he had a tough negotiation with a player....and then 3 years later he let KD jerk him into overpay some trash.
Presti was supposedly using the trade as a way to flex since it was the first time he had a tough negotiation with a player....and then 3 years later he let KD jerk him into overpay some trash.
By reiloBy VahagnBy reiloWhy would he need to criticize unsubstantiated rumors? It's why they're rumors: you either believe them or you don't.
Does this same logic apply to Kobe being a rapist?
Kobe being charged with rape and then settling a civil suit after being sued for said rape isn't unsubstantiated rumors.Bryant did, however, issue the following statement through his attorney, as part of an agreement with the accuser to dismiss the sexual assault chargeBy Kobe BryantFirst, I want to apologize directly to the young woman involved in this incident. I want to apologize to her for my behavior that night and for the consequences she has suffered in the past year.By Kobe BryantAfter months of reviewing discovery, listening to her attorney, and even her testimony in person, I now understand how she feels that she did not consent to this encounter.
I mean…
I have no idea what happened that night, but what I do know is, when a statement like that can be made with no legal recrimination, that's a smart PR move. And it's also a possible back room deal requirement to both sides accepting the civil settlement in order to rebuild her credibility.
"Just go out and say you realize you were at fault and you've learned from your mistake, don't worry you won't be punished for it"
Think about it like this, would he say that while testifying on his own behalf in court in a criminal case?
Think about how many people Kobe's slept with, a decade ago he paid a ton of money in a civil suit, if his normal behavior was rape-y I would expect a ton of people to come forward over the past 10 years. Bill Cosby and Herman Cain style.
By VahagnBy reiloBy VahagnBy reiloWhy would he need to criticize unsubstantiated rumors? It's why they're rumors: you either believe them or you don't.
Does this same logic apply to Kobe being a rapist?
Kobe being charged with rape and then settling a civil suit after being sued for said rape isn't unsubstantiated rumors.Bryant did, however, issue the following statement through his attorney, as part of an agreement with the accuser to dismiss the sexual assault chargeBy Kobe BryantFirst, I want to apologize directly to the young woman involved in this incident. I want to apologize to her for my behavior that night and for the consequences she has suffered in the past year.By Kobe BryantAfter months of reviewing discovery, listening to her attorney, and even her testimony in person, I now understand how she feels that she did not consent to this encounter.
I mean…
I have no idea what happened that night, but what I do know is, when a statement like that can be made with no legal recrimination, that's a smart PR move. And it's also a possible back room deal requirement to both sides accepting the civil settlement in order to rebuild her credibility.
"Just go out and say you realize you were at fault and you've learned from your mistake, don't worry you won't be punished for it"
Think about it like this, would he say that while testifying on his own behalf in court in a criminal case?
Think about how many people Kobe's slept with, a decade ago he paid a ton of money in a civil suit, if his normal behavior was rape-y I would expect a ton of people to come forward over the past 10 years. Bill Cosby and Herman Cain style.
I always insert that sentence at the beginning of all your posts regardless of context.
By reiloLiterally defending sexual assault. I'd say I expected better from you, but I didn't.
First off. Fuck that. I would never defend sexual assault. Nor blame the victim or act as if she deserved it. If he was sincere in those statements, then yea, he's a rapist.
But suggesting that it seems like a PR move to me, that's not defending sexual assault. We're simply disagreeing about the motivation of those comments. I don't think he, in a million years, says that in court. I don't think it's how he views what happened.
By MorisI always insert that sentence at the beginning of all your posts regardless of context.
That was pretty funny, gotta give you that.
By reiloVictim blaming and defending sexual assault, smh.
I know you can't be this stupid. You're a hindrance to everyone who takes this shit seriously because you yell victim blaming without even knowing what it means. Victim blaming is to suggest she deserved it. When the fuck did I EVER say she deserved what happened to her.
It's one thing to say "something didn't happen" - it's another thing entirely to say "she deserved what happened". You're a fucking idiot.
You can blame the victim and not suggest she deserved it. Where did I claim you said that? You're making up conversations in your mind just like you are making up Kobe's motivations for that PR statement.
You're saying Kobe lied in his press release to protect the victim because you are convinced SHE LIED. Like... what?
You're saying Kobe lied in his press release to protect the victim because you are convinced SHE LIED. Like... what?
By reiloYou can blame the victim and not suggest she deserved it. Where did I claim you said that? You're making up conversations in your mind just like you are making up Kobe's motivations for that PR statement.
You're saying Kobe lied in his press release to protect the victim. Like… what?
what the fuck? You can say a robbery didn't happen. You can say a murder didn't happen. You can say a rape didn't happen. It's not victim blaming to say those things. I don't think she's at fault at all.
There is such a thing as pattern of behavior. Rapists typically exhibit a pattern of behavior. Who's the last high profile celebrity who's been accused of rape or sexual harassment without a flurry of other people coming forward.
Bill Simmons talked on his podcast years ago that what happened based on NBA Insiders was that the meeting was completely consensual, and at some point in time Kobe wanted to do anal and she wasn't down and that the league execs had to explain this to David Stern.
Again, if Kobe was sincere in saying what he said, I agree he's a rapist. I just don't think that's how he viewed it, and I think he said it for some PR reason.
Why are you guys talking about this topic like it , or Kobe, is currently relevant?
Ok i take that back i know why Vag would talk about it.
Ok i take that back i know why Vag would talk about it.
lol this is pretty silly. Humans fuck up, no matter who they are. Get over it Vaggy.
He paid his debt to the woman and society. Shoot he got off way easier than Vick or even Mike Tyson.. so let it go. Kobe blew it plain and simple....But shit done with now.
He paid his debt to the woman and society. Shoot he got off way easier than Vick or even Mike Tyson.. so let it go. Kobe blew it plain and simple....But shit done with now.
By dbMuch as this tangent blows I gotta say not everyone that commits a rape is a serial rapist.
Yea. This is true.
The point is there are conflicting rumors about what happened that night. None of which have been completely and totally substantiated. Reilo picking up a quote after the fact which shows Kobe have remorse vs. "Fuck that bitch, she a slut doe" seems like all he needs to go from "we have no idea what happened that night" to "yup, rapist".
By blackacelol this is pretty silly. Humans fuck up, no matter who they are. Get over it Vaggy.
He paid his debt to the woman and society. Shoot he got off way easier than Vick or even Mike Tyson.. so let it go. Kobe blew it plain and simple….But shit done with now.
What's weird here is you guys thinking I'm defending Kobe's honor and victim blaming when that's not what happened at all. He did get off way easier than Vick or Mike. And something did happen that night.
The only way to be objective is to say, yea, we have no idea what happened. Maybe he's a full blown rapist, or maybe the rumor about anal sex is true or maybe something else.
By reiloKobe is so noble that he lied to the entire world to protect the liar that was just out to extort him for money that she got under the table. /Vag
Now who's putting words in whose mouth and having an imaginary conversation. Tell me again where I called her a liar or said she tried to extort him? Holy shit dude, I'm not your straw man misogynist simply because I don't buy your version of events.
Kobe is so noble that he lied to the entire world to protect the liar that was just out to extort him for money that she got under the table. /Vag
By MorisThe overwhelming narrative from the Harden's agent/Presti meetings was Harden wanted a full max and Presti didn't want to give it (for reasons, most believed cause Harden wasn't a sure thing). Everyone assumed Presti would eventually give in.I didn't just make up the rumors, and I can admit that they might have come from biased sources, but I stand by my statement that there was a lot that went on that we don't know about that affected the negotiations.
Presti was supposedly using the trade as a way to flex since it was the first time he had a tough negotiation with a player….and then 3 years later he let KD jerk him into overpay some trash.
I think Harden expected Presti to cave, and maybe he should have. Harden looked legit shook after the trade happened.
By VahagnNow who's putting words in whose mouth and having an imaginary conversation. Tell me again where I called her a liar or said she tried to extort him? Holy shit dude, I'm not your straw man misogynist simply because I don't buy your version of events.
How in the possible fuck could what you wrote earlier even make sense if she wasn't lying? That's the only way this can all be a PR stunt to "protect" the girl: if she lied.
If she lied, then why would Kobe be remorseful? You're questioning the legitimacy of her statements and then calling the quotes by Kobe a PR stunt, thus further delegitimizing her claims. You're disgusting.
By KingGondoSo shook he dropped 37 & 45 points in his first two games as a rocketBy MorisThe overwhelming narrative from the Harden's agent/Presti meetings was Harden wanted a full max and Presti didn't want to give it (for reasons, most believed cause Harden wasn't a sure thing). Everyone assumed Presti would eventually give in.I didn't just make up the rumors, and I can admit that they might have come from biased sources, but I stand by my statement that there was a lot that went on that we don't know about that affected the negotiations.
Presti was supposedly using the trade as a way to flex since it was the first time he had a tough negotiation with a player….and then 3 years later he let KD jerk him into overpay some trash.
I think Harden expected Presti to cave, and maybe he should have. Harden looked legit shook after the trade happened.
By VahagnBy dbMuch as this tangent blows I gotta say not everyone that commits a rape is a serial rapist.
Yea. This is true.
The point is there are conflicting rumors about what happened that night. None of which have been completely and totally substantiated. Reilo picking up a quote after the fact which shows Kobe have remorse vs. "Fuck that bitch, she a slut doe" seems like all he needs to go from "we have no idea what happened that night" to "yup, rapist".By blackacelol this is pretty silly. Humans fuck up, no matter who they are. Get over it Vaggy.
He paid his debt to the woman and society. Shoot he got off way easier than Vick or even Mike Tyson.. so let it go. Kobe blew it plain and simple….But shit done with now.
What's weird here is you guys thinking I'm defending Kobe's honor and victim blaming when that's not what happened at all. He did get off way easier than Vick or Mike. And something did happen that night.
The only way to be objective is to say, yea, we have no idea what happened. Maybe he's a full blown rapist, or maybe the rumor about anal sex is true or maybe something else.By reiloKobe is so noble that he lied to the entire world to protect the liar that was just out to extort him for money that she got under the table. /Vag
Now who's putting words in whose mouth and having an imaginary conversation. Tell me again where I called her a liar or said she tried to extort him? Holy shit dude, I'm not your straw man misogynist simply because I don't buy your version of events.
What's weird is you keep bringing up the statement as a PR move like you work in Kobe's camp...
So what do you want people to think? You are objectively looking at the situation by adding an opinion about what his statements really were?
My cat came into the room and started acting all cute by rolling around on the floor and purring, and that made me pretty happy. Then I got two pages of Gondo defending the worst trade of the past decade, someone talking about making an avatar from a terrorist, and Kobe rape talk. You guys.....
By reiloBy VahagnNow who's putting words in whose mouth and having an imaginary conversation. Tell me again where I called her a liar or said she tried to extort him? Holy shit dude, I'm not your straw man misogynist simply because I don't buy your version of events.
How in the possible fuck could what you wrote earlier even make sense if she wasn't lying? That's the only way this can all be a PR stunt to "protect" the girl: if she lied.
If she lied, then why would Kobe be remorseful? You're questioning the legitimacy of her statements and then calling the quotes by Kobe a PR stunt, thus further delegitimizing her claims. You're disgusting.
Dude fuck you. She doesn't have to be a mischievous extorting con artist to feel, after the fact, that she was raped.
This is all I said
This was settled out of court and included Bryant's publicly apologizing to his accuser, though admitting no guilt on his part. Bryant did, however, issue the following statement through his attorney, as part of an agreement with the accuser to dismiss the sexual assault charge:
She was taking anti-psychotic drugs for schizophrenia and was hospitalized as a danger to herself.
I can believe a) She didn't deserve to be raped b) she wasn't raped c) she's not a lying extortionist d) something happened in that room that led to a misunderstanding, albeit not rape.
You haven't bothered to research this case, you should. I don't blame her for anything at all, and I think after the fact, she felt she was raped sincerely, it wasn't a con. Except the evidence was murky at best and in all probability pointed to consensual sex which ultimately lead to him wanting her to do something she wasn't comfortable with. which if he forced her to do that thing, instead of just asking for it - he's a rapist.
No, fuck you. You are now full on victim blaming and finding reasons as to why she could've been lying. You're gross.
And a "misunderstanding"?? That's what rape is! One person NOT UNDERSTANDING that the other person didn't want to participate!
"Probably consensual sex" is still rape!
And a "misunderstanding"?? That's what rape is! One person NOT UNDERSTANDING that the other person didn't want to participate!
"Probably consensual sex" is still rape!
By reiloNo, fuck you. You are now full on victim blaming and finding reasons as to why she could've been lying. You're gross.
Dude, gtfo. You printed that fucking statement without highlighting it was part of a settlement agreement. Which is what I fucking said. He didn't just willy nilly come out and say it.
I think her perception of what happened that night could be different from what happened. That doesn't make her a fucking liar. If you can't grasp that shit, I don't know what to tell you. Like, you have a perception that you're making good points, when in reality, you're building a fucking straw man.
"Probably" ons
Dude. You're the one saying she had it wrong. She was the one there. She was the one that said it was rape. She gets the final say, not you. Not "probably" consensual. "Probably" isn't "actually". Anything less than 100% consent isn't consent anymore.
Your entire argument (through slander) is hinging on this idea that she wasn't in a right frame of mind to consent. Guess what? That's sexual assault.
By VahagnBy reiloNo, fuck you. You are now full on victim blaming and finding reasons as to why she could've been lying. You're gross.
Dude, gtfo. You printed that fucking statement without highlighting it was part of a settlement agreement. Which is what I fucking said. He didn't just willy nilly come out and say it.
I think her perception of what happened that night could be different from what happened. That doesn't make her a fucking liar. If you can't grasp that shit, I don't know what to tell you. Like, you have a perception that you're making good points, when in reality, you're building a fucking straw man.
Dude. You're the one saying she had it wrong. She was the one there. She was the one that said it was rape. She gets the final say, not you. Not "probably" consensual. "Probably" isn't "actually". Anything less than 100% consent isn't consent anymore.
Your entire argument (through slander) is hinging on this idea that she wasn't in a right frame of mind to consent. Guess what? That's sexual assault.
By reiloNo, fuck you. You are now full on victim blaming and finding reasons as to why she could've been lying. You're gross.
And a "misunderstanding"?? That's what rape is! One person NOT UNDERSTANDING that the other person didn't want to participate!
"Probably consensual sex" is still rape!
Dude, all the preponderance of evidence shows that the encounter was a consensual one, and that at some point in the night, things went awry. If that means she said no, and he kept physically assaulting her - he's a rapist. If that means he asked for anal sex, and she said no, and that was that. Then he's not.
I know what the fuck rape is, your inability to be objectively honest about the fact that you don't fucking know what happened, and that the "admission of guilt" was part of the civil suit agreement is not my problem. That statement was requested by the attorney of her client so people like you can latch on to it and assume "AHHH, this is how he truly felt" when it was just verbiage drafted by the attorney for the reasons I indicated.
By reilo"Probably" onsBy VahagnBy reiloNo, fuck you. You are now full on victim blaming and finding reasons as to why she could've been lying. You're gross.
Dude, gtfo. You printed that fucking statement without highlighting it was part of a settlement agreement. Which is what I fucking said. He didn't just willy nilly come out and say it.
I think her perception of what happened that night could be different from what happened. That doesn't make her a fucking liar. If you can't grasp that shit, I don't know what to tell you. Like, you have a perception that you're making good points, when in reality, you're building a fucking straw man.
Dude. You're the one saying she had it wrong. She was the one there. She was the one that said it was rape. She gets the final say, not you. Not "probably" consensual. "Probably" isn't "actually". Anything less than 100% consent isn't consent anymore.
Your entire argument (through slander) is hinging on this idea that she wasn't in a right frame of mind to consent. Guess what? That's sexual assault.
No, that's not my argument at all. My argument is this was a consensual sexual act that at some point in time went awry. And if at that point in time, he kept physically assaulting her he's a rapist. But if he didn't, he's not. I don't think she's a liar, I don't think he knew she was on meds and was in no condition to consent.
Verbal + physical consent is consent. I have no idea what happened that night. He may be a rapist, he may not be. You're the only one in the room pretending you know exactly what happened.