By knux-futurewatching Stanley Johnson look mad average…
yep.
future sixer confirmed
This is Delon Wright's game, you can't stop this.
By RBKThe Harden/Howard core has only been together for one full season…
Sure. But the Rockets had home court advantage last season and lost in the first round. So calling them contenders now is just blind admiration. Maybe Morey builds a perennial contender with this core. But you guys are pretending like he already did.
Legitimately expected the Spurs to lose this game. Last game of the Rodeo Road Trip and the back end of a B2B. Wow at the Suns
By VahagnBy JonmNo I value the monumental accomplishment of being able to take a franchise in one of the worst situations imaginable and not only abide by the wishes of ownership to keep competitive but ultimately rebuild their roster, rebuild their asset war-chest, and produce a team that is a contender and consists of the best SG in the league, one of the best big men, good role players and flexibility to improve. All in under 4 years.
The team was a championship contender when he got there. It was a team in late lottery hell when Tmac and Yao's careers were clearly over with little assets to the franchises name to rebuild with. That is arguably the worst situation for a GM to be in. Throw in pressure from ownership to win and eventually to mandate big moves and the task is outrageous.
You keep wanting to side step all of that and because of your refusal to acknowledge clear facts and circumstance it pretty much destroys your credibility here.
Stop parading around 5th best regular season record when he's not gotten past the second round and many teams on that list below the Rockets have then. Otherwise, it's clear you're supporting the wrong things.
How do you fancy this team is a contender exactly? They've made the first round ONE time with this core. You want this team to be a contender, but it hasn't proven that it is yet. You're dramatically over stating what he had to go through to build this team. I use Atlanta and Toronto because they've done just as much if not more with the same situation.
You're giving him so much credit because you like him, you think like him, you value his style of play. Not because he's won anything, or because he's drafted ingeniously or because he's found and kept tons of great prospects.
You are dense aren't you?
I get it, you don't like Morey, you and Chuck giggle about the stupidity of analytics, you think his team is a one dimensional team with no chance despite evidence to the contrary. You rail on chemistry but then when he builds a core he has stuck with in Howard and Harden you want results right now, ignoring your assertion that it takes time to build chemistry. To which you then complain why hasn't he won??? You then refuse to understand context, ignore facts, move goalposts and try and frame the argument to fit your conclusions.
Its boring, its tiring, its old.
You are the sports version arguing with a global warming denialist. Its boring at this point.
I don't even like the Rockets. Don't even think Morey is the GOAT like a lot of his fans do. Don't completely believe Harden is a guy that can chip. Would love if the Rockets are a perennial first round team from here on out. Would love if Morey was in fact a garbage GM. But listening to you spew vomit from your keyboard onto my screen proclaiming a bunch of bullshit overstatements about Morey being awful is nauseating.
Again, you can't change the facts, Morey took a team that was depleted of its superstars and filled with a bunch of- at the time - role players and and few assets and ultimately turned them into Harden, Howard, a group of very good role players to put around their core and a war-chest of assets in picks and players that they can use to continue to improve. All while meeting internal goals to keep the team competitive while rebuilding.
Bad GM's don't accomplish that.
so Stanley Johnson can't finish for shit.
I see where this is going...I didn't dislike any prospect this year....welp.
I see where this is going...I didn't dislike any prospect this year....welp.
CONTRACT THE DALLAS........ RONDO BUT BUT BRANDUIL SAID BETTER WITH HIM.
LOST TO A BACK BACK TO NETS..........
TRASH TEAM......................... DALLAS IS ONE OF WORST FRANCHISE IN NBA......
LOST TO A BACK BACK TO NETS..........
TRASH TEAM......................... DALLAS IS ONE OF WORST FRANCHISE IN NBA......
By JonmBy VahagnBy JonmNo I value the monumental accomplishment of being able to take a franchise in one of the worst situations imaginable and not only abide by the wishes of ownership to keep competitive but ultimately rebuild their roster, rebuild their asset war-chest, and produce a team that is a contender and consists of the best SG in the league, one of the best big men, good role players and flexibility to improve. All in under 4 years.
The team was a championship contender when he got there. It was a team in late lottery hell when Tmac and Yao's careers were clearly over with little assets to the franchises name to rebuild with. That is arguably the worst situation for a GM to be in. Throw in pressure from ownership to win and eventually to mandate big moves and the task is outrageous.
You keep wanting to side step all of that and because of your refusal to acknowledge clear facts and circumstance it pretty much destroys your credibility here.
Stop parading around 5th best regular season record when he's not gotten past the second round and many teams on that list below the Rockets have then. Otherwise, it's clear you're supporting the wrong things.
How do you fancy this team is a contender exactly? They've made the first round ONE time with this core. You want this team to be a contender, but it hasn't proven that it is yet. You're dramatically over stating what he had to go through to build this team. I use Atlanta and Toronto because they've done just as much if not more with the same situation.
You're giving him so much credit because you like him, you think like him, you value his style of play. Not because he's won anything, or because he's drafted ingeniously or because he's found and kept tons of great prospects.
You are dense aren't you?
I get it, you don't like Morey, you and Chuck giggle about the stupidity of analytics, you think his team is a one dimensional team with no chance despite evidence to the contrary. You rail on chemistry but then when he builds a core he has stuck with in Howard and Harden you want results right now, ignoring your assertion that it takes time to build chemistry. To which you then complain why hasn't he won??? You then refuse to understand context, ignore facts, move goalposts and try and frame the argument to fit your conclusions.
Its boring, its tiring, its old.
You are the sports version arguing with a global warming denialist. Its boring at this point.
I don't even like the Rockets. Don't even think Morey is the GOAT like a lot of his fans do. Don't completely believe Harden is a guy that can chip. Would love if the Rockets are a perennial first round team from here on out. Would love if Morey was in fact a garbage GM. But listening to you spew vomit from your keyboard onto my screen proclaiming a bunch of bullshit overstatements about Morey being awful is nauseating.
Again, you can't change the facts, Morey took a team that was depleted of its superstars and filled with a bunch of- at the time - role players and and few assets and ultimately turned them into Harden, Howard, a group of very good role players to put around their core and a war-chest of assets in picks and players that they can use to continue to improve. All while meeting internal goals to keep the team competitive while rebuilding.
Bad GM's don't accomplish that.
First off, fuck you. Arguing with your dumbass interpretations and blind adoration based excuses for his failures isn't the same as arguing with 97% of climate scientists and hard evidence. Calm your ego down son. You're not that smart.
There is no hard evidence that this team is a perennial contender. It hasn't made the second round.
Chemistry? Do I have a problem with Harden/Howard? Or do I have a problem with him trading EVERYONE BUT Harden and Howard. You're actually arguing a guy who gutted 90% of the team he had 2 years ago is building chemistry cuz he kept 2 guys? is this real life?
Your arguments are lazy, they're pathetic, and you're just getting angry that I don't blindly accept your assertion that they're bonafide contenders or that Morey had it worse than everyone else.
Delon Wright is like if Evan Turner was athletic and could defend and wasn't a sociopath... I mean, that would be an okay NBA player, right?
By IWMTB19Delon Wright is like if Evan Turner was athletic and could defend and wasn't a sociopath… I mean, that would be an okay NBA player, right?
That sounds like a damn good player. Turner's inner sociopath and his apparent love of eating and shit, held him back a bit (Doug telling him he aint shit daily did not help either)
By IWMTB19Delon Wright is like if Evan Turner was athletic and could defend and wasn't a sociopath… I mean, that would be an okay NBA player, right?Evan Turner was a lot better than Wright in college.
By VahagnLOL. Boo hoo, people won't back me up on my crappy unqualified, logically hollow assertions about Morey being a horrible GM. I can't separate the projection of my opinion from reality. I can't accept opinions that aren't in line with my one. I have to lash out and verbally attack people now.By JonmBy VahagnBy JonmNo I value the monumental accomplishment of being able to take a franchise in one of the worst situations imaginable and not only abide by the wishes of ownership to keep competitive but ultimately rebuild their roster, rebuild their asset war-chest, and produce a team that is a contender and consists of the best SG in the league, one of the best big men, good role players and flexibility to improve. All in under 4 years.
The team was a championship contender when he got there. It was a team in late lottery hell when Tmac and Yao's careers were clearly over with little assets to the franchises name to rebuild with. That is arguably the worst situation for a GM to be in. Throw in pressure from ownership to win and eventually to mandate big moves and the task is outrageous.
You keep wanting to side step all of that and because of your refusal to acknowledge clear facts and circumstance it pretty much destroys your credibility here.
Stop parading around 5th best regular season record when he's not gotten past the second round and many teams on that list below the Rockets have then. Otherwise, it's clear you're supporting the wrong things.
How do you fancy this team is a contender exactly? They've made the first round ONE time with this core. You want this team to be a contender, but it hasn't proven that it is yet. You're dramatically over stating what he had to go through to build this team. I use Atlanta and Toronto because they've done just as much if not more with the same situation.
You're giving him so much credit because you like him, you think like him, you value his style of play. Not because he's won anything, or because he's drafted ingeniously or because he's found and kept tons of great prospects.
You are dense aren't you?
I get it, you don't like Morey, you and Chuck giggle about the stupidity of analytics, you think his team is a one dimensional team with no chance despite evidence to the contrary. You rail on chemistry but then when he builds a core he has stuck with in Howard and Harden you want results right now, ignoring your assertion that it takes time to build chemistry. To which you then complain why hasn't he won??? You then refuse to understand context, ignore facts, move goalposts and try and frame the argument to fit your conclusions.
Its boring, its tiring, its old.
You are the sports version arguing with a global warming denialist. Its boring at this point.
I don't even like the Rockets. Don't even think Morey is the GOAT like a lot of his fans do. Don't completely believe Harden is a guy that can chip. Would love if the Rockets are a perennial first round team from here on out. Would love if Morey was in fact a garbage GM. But listening to you spew vomit from your keyboard onto my screen proclaiming a bunch of bullshit overstatements about Morey being awful is nauseating.
Again, you can't change the facts, Morey took a team that was depleted of its superstars and filled with a bunch of- at the time - role players and and few assets and ultimately turned them into Harden, Howard, a group of very good role players to put around their core and a war-chest of assets in picks and players that they can use to continue to improve. All while meeting internal goals to keep the team competitive while rebuilding.
Bad GM's don't accomplish that.
First off, fuck you. Arguing with your dumbass interpretations and blind adoration based excuses for his failures isn't the same as arguing with 97% of climate scientists and hard evidence.
There is no hard evidence that this team is a perennial contender. It hasn't made the second round.
Chemistry? Do I have a problem with Harden/Howard? Or do I have a problem with him trading EVERYONE BUT Harden and Howard. You're actually arguing a guy who gutted 90% of the team he had 2 years ago is building chemistry cuz he kept 2 guys? is this real life?
Your arguments are lazy, they're pathetic, and you're just getting angry that I don't blindly accept your assertion that they're bonafide contenders or that Morey had it worse than everyone else.
By VahagnIt's all subjective. It's a formidable team that stacks up against the other West teams at full strength.By RBKThe Harden/Howard core has only been together for one full season…
Sure. But the Rockets had home court advantage last season and lost in the first round. So calling them contenders now is just blind admiration. Maybe Morey builds a perennial contender with this core. But you guys are pretending like he already did.
We're obviously not the favorites, but it all boils down to seeding out West. Every team 1-8 can be a first round knockout.
Jazz without Kanter are pretty much the best defense in the NBA, fear us.
Yeah, but that was via shit that didn't matter at all in the NBA... I think Wright will be like Turner but with those other good qualities in the NBA.
By diehardBy IWMTB19Delon Wright is like if Evan Turner was athletic and could defend and wasn't a sociopath… I mean, that would be an okay NBA player, right?Evan Turner was a lot better than Wright in college.
Yeah, but that was via shit that didn't matter at all in the NBA... I think Wright will be like Turner but with those other good qualities in the NBA.
By unknownBy psychintellectWhen You Want to Kill Chalmers but Don't Want to Face Prison Timelol spo usually never has a reaction.
By JonmLOL. Boo hoo, people won't back me up on my crappy unqualified, logically hollow assertions about Morey being a horrible GM. I can't separate the projection of my opinion from reality. I can't accept opinions that aren't in line with my one. I have to lash out and verbally attack people now.
Lol, You called me dense, a climate change denier, and compared your idiotic assertions to irrefutable mathematics and physical evidence.
You're dumb. You're latching on to Morey because you view this as some quest where the people who don't accept Morey as great don't believe in climate change. You're that fucking dense.
"While I never like having to send out quality players like Kevin Martin and Jeremy Lamb, this trade gives us a chance to make an immediate impact on the future of our franchise moving forward," Rockets owner Leslie Alexander said in a statement. "James Harden was part of Team USA's gold medal team at the London Olympics and is one of the most skilled shooting guards in the NBA. James, along with the mix of young players we already have in place such as (guard) Jeremy Lin, (forward) Chandler Parsons and (center) Omer Asik give us a very solid group of young, talented players who will form the core of our team."
Keeping DAT core alive for chemistry purposes.
Morey offered tons of money and Houston hookers to Harden. Once Harden decided to go there, OKC either had to trade him or risk having him walk. It's not like they traded him there because Morey's assets were too irresistible.
By RBKAlso depending the matchups, I like the Rockets chances assuming Howard will be able to last the entire postseason.
No team is a guaranteed series win, but I would like to think Dallas, Memphis, and Portland are favorable matchups. We did lose to the Blazers, but we were the overall favorites to win before the choke job.
Avoid Clippers or OKC at all costs. The other teams can go either way.
I feel all of that. Good lawd do I now want to play the Clippers. I honestly think we can take OKC. Just need Bev to injure YNB again.
By VahagnYou are being dense. Clear as day. Irrefutably so.By JonmLOL. Boo hoo, people won't back me up on my crappy unqualified, logically hollow assertions about Morey being a horrible GM. I can't separate the projection of my opinion from reality. I can't accept opinions that aren't in line with my one. I have to lash out and verbally attack people now.
Lol, You called me dense, a climate change denier, and compared your idiotic assertions to irrefutable mathematics and physical evidence.
You're dumb. You're latching on to Morey because you view this as some quest where the people who don't accept Morey as great don't believe in climate change. You're that fucking dense.
How many times now have I posted about the context around the Tmac/yao situation and your response has been to sidestep it and make some crap assertion about Morey having just been treading water his whole career when that is irrefutably untrue?
Find me one other GM in modern history that has come out of the other side of losing two superstars to career ending injuries and within 4 years was a top 3 seed in the West and acquired the best SG in the league and arguably the best center in the league?
"While I never like having to send out quality players like Kevin Martin and Jeremy Lamb, this trade gives us a chance to make an immediate impact on the future of our franchise moving forward," Rockets owner Leslie Alexander said in a statement. "James Harden was part of Team USA's gold medal team at the London Olympics and is one of the most skilled shooting guards in the NBA. James, along with the mix of young players we already have in place such as (guard) Jeremy Lin, (forward) Chandler Parsons and (center) Omer Asik give us a very solid group of young, talented players who will form the core of our team."
Keeping DAT core alive for chemistry purposes.
Morey offered tons of money and Houston hookers to Harden. Once Harden decided to go there, OKC either had to trade him or risk having him walk. It's not like they traded him there because Morey's assets were too irresistible.
Morey had his franchise in a position that he could even make an offer. You are literally inserting unfounded bullshit to try and knock what has become one of the best one sided deals since the Gasol trade.
This continues why this is liking arguing with a GW denialist, even the most blatant example of good GM'ing and your brain has to come up with a way to dismiss it.
So in your world a team of James Harden, Jeremy Lin, Chandler Parsons and Asik is a championship caliber core to stop tinkering with and build around but a core of James Harden and Dwight Howard is not?
By your logic Presti can't build chemistry because he keeps shipping off everyone but Durant, Westbrook and Ibaka.
Or is your logic you need three people for a core?
Of course that is a silly question because their is no logic at work here, just a series of posts throwing whatever shit you can conjure up to knock down Presti and hoping it sticks.
By JonmBy VahagnYou are being dense. Clear as day. Irrefutably so.By JonmLOL. Boo hoo, people won't back me up on my crappy unqualified, logically hollow assertions about Morey being a horrible GM. I can't separate the projection of my opinion from reality. I can't accept opinions that aren't in line with my one. I have to lash out and verbally attack people now.
Lol, You called me dense, a climate change denier, and compared your idiotic assertions to irrefutable mathematics and physical evidence.
You're dumb. You're latching on to Morey because you view this as some quest where the people who don't accept Morey as great don't believe in climate change. You're that fucking dense.
How many times now have I posted about the context around the Tmac/yao situation and your response has been to sidestep it and make some crap assertion about Morey having just been treading water his whole career when that is irrefutably untrue?
Find me one other GM in modern history that has come out of the other side of losing two superstars to career ending injuries and within 4 years was a top 3 seed in the West and acquired the best SG in the league and arguably the best center in the league?"While I never like having to send out quality players like Kevin Martin and Jeremy Lamb, this trade gives us a chance to make an immediate impact on the future of our franchise moving forward," Rockets owner Leslie Alexander said in a statement. "James Harden was part of Team USA's gold medal team at the London Olympics and is one of the most skilled shooting guards in the NBA. James, along with the mix of young players we already have in place such as (guard) Jeremy Lin, (forward) Chandler Parsons and (center) Omer Asik give us a very solid group of young, talented players who will form the core of our team."
Keeping DAT core alive for chemistry purposes.
Morey offered tons of money and Houston hookers to Harden. Once Harden decided to go there, OKC either had to trade him or risk having him walk. It's not like they traded him there because Morey's assets were too irresistible.
Morey had his franchise in a position that he could even make an offer. You are literally inserting unfounded bullshit to try and knock what has become one of the best one sided deals since the Gasol trade.
This continues why this is liking arguing with a GW denialist, even the most blatant example of good GM'ing and your brain has to come up with a way to dismiss it.
So in your world a team of James Harden, Jeremy Lin, Chandler Parsons and Asik is a championship caliber core to stop tinkering with and build around but a core of James Harden and Dwight Howard is not?
By your logic Presti can't build chemistry because he keeps shipping off everyone but Durant, Westbrook and Ibaka.
Or is your logic you need three people for a core?
Of course that is a silly question because their is no logic at work here, just a series of posts throwing whatever shit you can conjure up to knock down Presti and hoping it sticks.
- Keeping 2 guys for 1.5 years isn't the definition of building chemistry when you'e shipped off the other 90%. Let's agree on that. How many years have Ibaka/Durant/Collison/Westbrook been playing together? How many CF have they made?
- If Harden wanted to come to LA and told the Thunder that they had better either trade him or he's going to leave in free agency because he's not ok with their extension, Presti could have found a deal with LA too. You're delusional if you think otherwise.
- The Gasol trade happened between GM's. Pau didn't ask for a trade specifically to LA and he wasn't shipped off over 5 million dollars.
- You keep mentioning the the rockets' demand to stay competitive but ignore that all teams have ownership demands. Heck, half the teams in this league don't have the budget that the Rockets have. And If OKC's owner didn't tell Presti to trade Harden over 5 million, Morey would be making his 81st trade to maintain a middling team as we speak.
- No, I don't think that was a championship core, but I'm not the one who pretended this team is building chemistry and that 2 guys for 1.5 years is proof of that.
- Climate change isn't opinion. It's mathematical data. Everything you're saying is opinion. Get the fuck over yourself.
- You're constantly measuring success by regular season record. His team hasn't done anything in the playoffs. Please wait till they do, because you have no damn guarantee that another first round exit this season won't result in Morey blowing up this core. So stop pretending he's already succeeded or that a guy who routinely turns over 90% of his team every couple seasons won't do it again next year.
- You're making an assertion that he had it the toughest of any GM than asking me to prove otherwise. Portland had Roy and Oden right? Both those guys were supposed to be the franchise and both those guys got injured and destroyed? You're making subjective assertions and asking for proof to the contrary.
I think we're done. When you think your opinions and excuses are equivalent to climate change data I think you've lost touch with reality here.
By VahagnBy JonmBy VahagnYou are being dense. Clear as day. Irrefutably so.By JonmLOL. Boo hoo, people won't back me up on my crappy unqualified, logically hollow assertions about Morey being a horrible GM. I can't separate the projection of my opinion from reality. I can't accept opinions that aren't in line with my one. I have to lash out and verbally attack people now.
Lol, You called me dense, a climate change denier, and compared your idiotic assertions to irrefutable mathematics and physical evidence.
You're dumb. You're latching on to Morey because you view this as some quest where the people who don't accept Morey as great don't believe in climate change. You're that fucking dense.
How many times now have I posted about the context around the Tmac/yao situation and your response has been to sidestep it and make some crap assertion about Morey having just been treading water his whole career when that is irrefutably untrue?
Find me one other GM in modern history that has come out of the other side of losing two superstars to career ending injuries and within 4 years was a top 3 seed in the West and acquired the best SG in the league and arguably the best center in the league?"While I never like having to send out quality players like Kevin Martin and Jeremy Lamb, this trade gives us a chance to make an immediate impact on the future of our franchise moving forward," Rockets owner Leslie Alexander said in a statement. "James Harden was part of Team USA's gold medal team at the London Olympics and is one of the most skilled shooting guards in the NBA. James, along with the mix of young players we already have in place such as (guard) Jeremy Lin, (forward) Chandler Parsons and (center) Omer Asik give us a very solid group of young, talented players who will form the core of our team."
Keeping DAT core alive for chemistry purposes.
Morey offered tons of money and Houston hookers to Harden. Once Harden decided to go there, OKC either had to trade him or risk having him walk. It's not like they traded him there because Morey's assets were too irresistible.
Morey had his franchise in a position that he could even make an offer. You are literally inserting unfounded bullshit to try and knock what has become one of the best one sided deals since the Gasol trade.
This continues why this is liking arguing with a GW denialist, even the most blatant example of good GM'ing and your brain has to come up with a way to dismiss it.
So in your world a team of James Harden, Jeremy Lin, Chandler Parsons and Asik is a championship caliber core to stop tinkering with and build around but a core of James Harden and Dwight Howard is not?
By your logic Presti can't build chemistry because he keeps shipping off everyone but Durant, Westbrook and Ibaka.
Or is your logic you need three people for a core?
Of course that is a silly question because their is no logic at work here, just a series of posts throwing whatever shit you can conjure up to knock down Presti and hoping it sticks.
- Keeping 2 guys for 1.5 years isn't the definition of building chemistry when you'e shipped off the other 90%. Let's agree on that.
- If Harden wanted to come to LA and told the Thunder that they had better either trade him or he's going to leave in free agency because he's not ok with their extension, Presti could have found a deal with LA too. You're delusional if you think otherwise.
- The Gasol trade happened between GM's. Pau didn't ask for a trade specifically to LA and he wasn't shipped off over 5 million dollars.
- You keep mentioning the the rockets' demand to stay competitive but ignore that all teams have ownership demands. Heck, half the teams in this league don't have the budget that the Rockets have. And If OKC's owner didn't tell Presti to trade Harden over 5 million, Morey would be making his 81st trade to maintain a middling team as we speak.
- No, I don't think that was a championship core, but I'm not the one who pretended this team is building chemistry and that 2 guys for 1.5 years is proof of that.
- Climate change isn't opinion. It's mathematical data. Everything you're saying is opinion. Get the fuck over yourself.
- You're constantly measuring success by regular season record. His team hasn't done anything in the playoffs. Please wait till they do, because you have no damn guarantee that another first round exit this season won't result in Morey blowing up this core. So stop pretending he's already succeeded or that a guy who routinely turns over 90% of his team every couple seasons won't do it again next year.
I am rating success based on where a GM has taken their franchise relative to where he has had to work from and how he is maintaining and building that franchise. Under those parameters you have yet to make a convincing argument that Morey isn't a good GM.
Here is a simple challenge. Name me one other GM in the modern era of the salary cap that managed to lose two superstars and in less then 4 years manage to attain two more without blowing up the team and rebuilding through the draft? Not only that but remain competitive as a team?
Yes owners have performance goals but I would love you tell me some that have been more strict then the Rockets where a GM has found success?
To accomplish what he did and to not even entertain the notion that Morey is a good GM is the height of arrogance of opinion.
But I guess that is easy when you have yet to even acknowledge the indisputable fact that he did actually accomplish that. That he did have a pretty crummy situation after Yao and Tmac got hurt. That he took that crummy situation and has turned it into 2 superstars and 3rd place seed with room to make more moves. Instead you keep wrapping yourself in delusions and red herrings to try and downplay everything Morey has done. Ignoring basic facts and context in the process.
By VahagnHoly shit the amount of defensive stupid on here is amazing.a) Where did I say we HAD multiple playmakers? Learn to read. I said the metrics showed we NEEDED another playmaker. I showed TURNOVER METRICS which you have ignored now twice that show that we were the fourth worst team in the NBA when it came to turnovers. You showed a list of players where Prigioni was on top of our list, and then said it didn't count, even though it was a move Morey made to obviously bring in another playmaker.
a) Just because the data you presented is meaningless doesn't mean all data is meaningless. I pointed out why. Total assists isn't a good measure of whether or not you have multiple playmakers. I showed that clear as day with the actual breakdowns. Your inability to see that is just you being a homer and nothing else. When Harden drives and kicks to the corner, and that guy (let's say Ariza) kicks it to the wing, Ariza isn't CREATING the play. He's getting an assist if the guy on the wing catches and makes it. But he's not creating the play. He can't run the offense and make that offense execute effectively. The championship Mavs, Spurs, Heat, and Lakers and plenty of other teams all have that. The 2009 Magic had that with Turk, Nelson, Rashard and Skip to My Lou too. Your team doesn't. You've passed on multiple elite and good PG's in the process making that situation even more glaringly obvious.
b) Morey jettisoning players for the chance to sign Bosh and then making frantic mid season changes to alleviate his mistakes is the definition of going on wild goose chases. How are you refuting what I'm saying while proving what I'm saying. I never said he was unwilling to change or that he stuck to his team. I said the opposite. He makes 47 trades because he's constantly going on wild goose chases instead of building a core and letting that core grow.
c) So you replaced conference finals experience with finals experience and you think that proves what? He got those players because he likes them, he's had them before. Ariza and Brewer included. With the exception of Terry. But by all means, use one guy as your explanation for why Morey cares so damn much about experience.
d) Wasn't the entire statistics community belittling "championship experience" just a few years ago? The fact that Morey later realized he should add some veterans proves my point. Not disproves it. He's jerking from theory to theory and approach to approach based on whatever the hell. Call it data, call it experience. But he's embracing things now that old school thinkers have embraced for decades and that the analytics community trashed just a few years ago. Intangibles, right?
e) Your team can have more than one flaw, you realize this right? Not shooting mid range shots, and shooting only spot up 3's are the same thing. They aren't mutually exclusive. Terry is an elite mid range shooter sure, but he's also a deadly 3 point shooter. Your team isn't using him like Dallas used him and that's why you shoot way more threes and way less mid range than anyone else. Acquiring a mid range guy and using him as a 3 point shooter doesn't make it clear you like mid range shots.
f) Uh, D Mo shoots 3's. so Does Pompalaksjdflkjasdflkjasf. And if Dwight was available all season, D Mo would shoot a shit ton more threes than he does as your primary (and only) low post option most nights.
You're not proving anything. You're just getting defensive as hell
b) He had a chance to make his Big 3. He swung, he missed, everybody wrote us off this season, and we're still holding on to the 4th best record in the league. I've said it before, and I'll say it again, I'm not gonna knock the guy for trying to make this team better. Boston already had Pierce, then traded for Allen and Garnett in 2007 and won the championship in 2008. Miami already had Wade, then added Bosh and James in 2010 and won in 2012 and 2013. In 2011, that core was still good enough to get to the Finals. Houston had a Big 2 last year, and got kicked out in the first round. There's merit in chasing after stars, and developing your own talent, but I don't see the point in building around a deficient core.
c) He's had Ariza on the team. He's never had Brewer. It isn't even up for debate. How could you possibly argue that having Ariza, Brewer and Terry as mentors is worse than Josh Powell? We had two former starters who hated being on the bench. We had another who thought he could be our 3rd piece but couldn't produce like one. Whether by accident or not, the chemistry on this team has improved.
d) What is your point exactly? I asked you to clarify whatever snarky question you tried to get me with, and you've just gone on tangent after tangent. I just said I liked the addition of Prigioni. You asked some incomprehensible question. I stated that our turnover metrics showed the need for another playmaker. And now you're talking about what? Ariza not being a playmaker? No shit. That's why Rockets fans have been lamenting Beverley's point guard play and been begging for anybody with passing skills.
e) I was talking about Bosh and Melo. As was proven by another poster here, your mid-range 'analysis' was terribly hokey. Out of the Top 15 offenses in the league, 10 were also on the list of Bottom 15 Mid-range FGAs. The exceptions to this had All-Star calibre scorers. The Clippers (Griffin/Paul), Mavs (Dirk), Blazers (Aldridge), Grizzlies (Gasol) and the Thunder (Durant). Since getting an All-Star scorer wasn't going to happen, our lack of a secondary playmaker (either on the bench or alongside Harden) was our biggest concern. Harden being turnover-prone when defenses focussed on him, our inability to make interior passes and our offense dying when he sat were the problems we needed to fix most. There are multiple flaws in every team, yes, and some are more easily addressed than others. I don't know how Prigioni will turn out, but the idea of getting a secondary playmaker to help alleviate our turnover problems seemed like an appropriate move. God forbid I show some positivity towards my own team.
f) And Motiejunas shoots the vast majority of shots (83%) inside. What's your point? If we had a fully healthy roster, Jones would be starting alongside Dwight. Jones started the vast majority of games last season and shot 86% of his shots inside. If you actually knew my team, you'd understand he wasn't a 3-point shooter and co-existed with Howard as a face-up power forward.
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By JonmBy VahagnBy JonmBy VahagnYou are being dense. Clear as day. Irrefutably so.By JonmLOL. Boo hoo, people won't back me up on my crappy unqualified, logically hollow assertions about Morey being a horrible GM. I can't separate the projection of my opinion from reality. I can't accept opinions that aren't in line with my one. I have to lash out and verbally attack people now.
Lol, You called me dense, a climate change denier, and compared your idiotic assertions to irrefutable mathematics and physical evidence.
You're dumb. You're latching on to Morey because you view this as some quest where the people who don't accept Morey as great don't believe in climate change. You're that fucking dense.
How many times now have I posted about the context around the Tmac/yao situation and your response has been to sidestep it and make some crap assertion about Morey having just been treading water his whole career when that is irrefutably untrue?
Find me one other GM in modern history that has come out of the other side of losing two superstars to career ending injuries and within 4 years was a top 3 seed in the West and acquired the best SG in the league and arguably the best center in the league?"While I never like having to send out quality players like Kevin Martin and Jeremy Lamb, this trade gives us a chance to make an immediate impact on the future of our franchise moving forward," Rockets owner Leslie Alexander said in a statement. "James Harden was part of Team USA's gold medal team at the London Olympics and is one of the most skilled shooting guards in the NBA. James, along with the mix of young players we already have in place such as (guard) Jeremy Lin, (forward) Chandler Parsons and (center) Omer Asik give us a very solid group of young, talented players who will form the core of our team."
Keeping DAT core alive for chemistry purposes.
Morey offered tons of money and Houston hookers to Harden. Once Harden decided to go there, OKC either had to trade him or risk having him walk. It's not like they traded him there because Morey's assets were too irresistible.
Morey had his franchise in a position that he could even make an offer. You are literally inserting unfounded bullshit to try and knock what has become one of the best one sided deals since the Gasol trade.
This continues why this is liking arguing with a GW denialist, even the most blatant example of good GM'ing and your brain has to come up with a way to dismiss it.
So in your world a team of James Harden, Jeremy Lin, Chandler Parsons and Asik is a championship caliber core to stop tinkering with and build around but a core of James Harden and Dwight Howard is not?
By your logic Presti can't build chemistry because he keeps shipping off everyone but Durant, Westbrook and Ibaka.
Or is your logic you need three people for a core?
Of course that is a silly question because their is no logic at work here, just a series of posts throwing whatever shit you can conjure up to knock down Presti and hoping it sticks.
- Keeping 2 guys for 1.5 years isn't the definition of building chemistry when you'e shipped off the other 90%. Let's agree on that.
- If Harden wanted to come to LA and told the Thunder that they had better either trade him or he's going to leave in free agency because he's not ok with their extension, Presti could have found a deal with LA too. You're delusional if you think otherwise.
- The Gasol trade happened between GM's. Pau didn't ask for a trade specifically to LA and he wasn't shipped off over 5 million dollars.
- You keep mentioning the the rockets' demand to stay competitive but ignore that all teams have ownership demands. Heck, half the teams in this league don't have the budget that the Rockets have. And If OKC's owner didn't tell Presti to trade Harden over 5 million, Morey would be making his 81st trade to maintain a middling team as we speak.
- No, I don't think that was a championship core, but I'm not the one who pretended this team is building chemistry and that 2 guys for 1.5 years is proof of that.
- Climate change isn't opinion. It's mathematical data. Everything you're saying is opinion. Get the fuck over yourself.
- You're constantly measuring success by regular season record. His team hasn't done anything in the playoffs. Please wait till they do, because you have no damn guarantee that another first round exit this season won't result in Morey blowing up this core. So stop pretending he's already succeeded or that a guy who routinely turns over 90% of his team every couple seasons won't do it again next year.
I am rating success based on where a GM has taken their franchise relative to where he has had to work from and how he is maintaining and building that franchise. Under those parameters you have yet to make a convincing argument that Morey isn't a good GM.
Here is a simple challenge. Name me one other GM in the modern era of the salary cap that managed to lose two superstars and in less then 4 years manage to attain two more without blowing up the team and rebuilding through the draft? Not only that but remain competitive as a team?
Yes owners have performance goals but I would love you tell me some that have been more strict then the Rockets where a GM has found success?
To accomplish what he did and to not even entertain the notion that Morey is a good GM is the height of arrogance of opinion.
But I guess that is easy when you have yet to even acknowledge the indisputable fact that he did actually accomplish that. That he did have a pretty crummy situation after Yao and Tmac got hurt. That he took that crummy situation and has turned it into 2 superstars and 3rd place seed with room to make more moves. Instead you keep wrapping yourself in delusions and red herrings to try and downplay everything Morey has done. Ignoring basic facts and context in the process.
No the height of arrogance of opinion is equating your opinions to climate change data.
Dude your argument is a preposterous one: "Name me a guy who's done EXACTLY what Morey has done". Why do I have to? Not every GM is in the same situation, we don't measure success based solely on one person's experience. Name me a CEO who's done everything exactly the same as the CEO of Intel with all parameters and hindrances being the same. Oh you can't? He's a genius. This is essentially your argument.
Toronto lost Bosh, got strapped to a bunch of bad contracts, Masai built a Rockets level team. Portland lost Oden and Roy, built a team.
Name me a GM who's needed 47 trade chances to capture one All Star? Name me a GM who's let players at the caliber of Dragic/Lowry/Parsons go within a 3 year window that that team is trying to build a contender? Name me a GM in the last 7 years that HASN'T reached a Conference Finals despite having players that have the talent level of Yao/Dwight/Harden/TMac?
You are considering success to be regular season success, because the team that Morey built has only attained regular season success. You're assuming this team will continue to grow and eventually make a Conference Finals or a Finals. That he won't blow up the core and keep his 1st/2nd round treadmill act going. But you have no proof of that, and the past isn't an indication of that either.
You're ignoring the one group of GM's because you think their success isn't worth much because they had it easier than Morey and you're ignoring the hardships of other GM's because they haven't had the "success" Morey has had.
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By chandlerparsonsa) Where did I say we HAD multiple playmakers? Learn to read. I said the metrics showed we NEEDED another playmaker. I showed TURNOVER METRICS which you have ignored now twice that show that we were the fourth worst team in the NBA when it came to turnovers. You showed a list of players where Prigioni was on top of our list, and then said it didn't count, even though it was a move Morey made to obviously bring in another playmaker.
b) He had a chance to make his Big 3. He swung, he missed, everybody wrote us off this season, and we're still holding on to the 4th best record in the league. I've said it before, and I'll say it again, I'm not gonna knock the guy for trying to make this team better. Boston already had Pierce, then traded for Allen and Garnett in 2007 and won the championship in 2008. Miami already had Wade, then added Bosh and James in 2010 and won in 2012 and 2013. In 2011, that core was still good enough to get to the Finals. Houston had a Big 2 last year, and got kicked out in the first round. There's merit in chasing after stars, and developing your own talent, but I don't see the point in building around a deficient core.
c) He's had Ariza on the team. He's never had Brewer. It isn't even up for debate. How could you possibly argue that having Ariza, Brewer and Terry as mentors is worse than Josh Powell? We had two former starters who hated being on the bench. We had another who thought he could be our 3rd piece but couldn't produce like one. Whether by accident or not, the chemistry on this team has improved.
d) What is your point exactly? I asked you to clarify whatever snarky question you tried to get me with, and you've just gone on tangent after tangent. I just said I liked the addition of Prigioni. You asked some incomprehensible question. I stated that our turnover metrics showed the need for another playmaker. And now you're talking about what? Ariza not being a playmaker? No shit. That's why Rockets fans have been lamenting Beverley's point guard play and been begging for anybody with passing skills.
e) I was talking about Bosh and Melo. As was proven by another poster here, your mid-range 'analysis' was terribly hokey. Out of the Top 15 offenses in the league, 10 were also on the list of Bottom 15 Mid-range FGAs. The exceptions to this had All-Star calibre scorers. The Clippers (Griffin/Paul), Mavs (Dirk), Blazers (Aldridge), Grizzlies (Gasol) and the Thunder (Durant). Since getting an All-Star scorer wasn't going to happen, our lack of a secondary playmaker (either on the bench or alongside Harden) was our biggest concern. Harden being turnover-prone when defenses focussed on him, our inability to make interior passes and our offense dying when he sat were the problems we needed to fix most. There are multiple flaws in every team, yes, and some are more easily addressed than others. I don't know how Prigioni will turn out, but the idea of getting a secondary playmaker to help alleviate our turnover problems seemed like an appropriate move. God forbid I show some positivity towards my own team.
f) And Motiejunas shoots the vast majority of shots (83%) inside. What's your point? If we had a fully healthy roster, Jones would be starting alongside Dwight. Jones started the vast majority of games last season and shot 86% of his shots inside. If you actually knew my team, you'd understand he wasn't a 3-point shooter and co-existed with Howard as a face-up power forward.
a) I started this talk by discussing the fact that you DIDN'T have multiple playmakers. You responded by showing me team assist and turnover data. I responded with showing you assist data broken up individually and made my case that good teams build around multiple playmakers and that Morey consciously didn't. You think bringing Pablo on is him being smart, I think bringing Pablo on is an admission that he was wrong from the get go. You ignore that part because there's no way in Hell morey could be wrong.
b) The Heat didn't give up their core to swing and miss on Lebron. The Celtics didn't give up their playoff core to swing and miss on Allen and Garnett. He dumped everyone not named Howard or Harden for the chance to land Bosh and missed. You want him to be free from criticism for that exchange. That's called being defensive and an apologist. Your "core" included Lowry and/or Dragic if Morey didn't improperly evaluate them to begin with. (He went after both after he initially let them go, showing he could have afforded them and he realized his mistake). He signed Lin/Asik to poison pill contracts giving him a firm deadline for when to build a championship core or blowing it up again to afford players. that was short sighted as shit.
c) I never argued that having Ariza/Terry/Brewer as mentors is worse than Josh Powell. You replaced guys with conference finals experience for guys with championship experience. This is the same analytics crew that was decrying "intangibles" as bullshit just a few years ago. I'm all for mentors. I just want you to admit that signing up mentors as a positive is an admission that the "intangibles are bullshit" approach that Morey pursued was wrong. And you won't. Your problem is simple. Morey keeps changing tacks and you see that as a positive, instead of a guy who was wrong to begin with. Wrong on Lowry, Dragic, his team building concepts, the value of leadership and intangibles, the value of having multiple playmakers, the value of having versatile offensive threats.
d) He passed up ON MULTIPLE PLAYMAKERS OVER THE LAST FEW YEARS. Don't get pissed off at me for the fact that you have Beverly, get pissed off at Morey. Instead you're getting mad at me for pointing out the obvious truth. "Well he passed up on Lin, Dragic, Lowry - but he got Pablo. He's blameless"
e) You weren't going to afford Bosh and Melo. You were going to afford one of them and, at best, pair them with Parsons. And, I'm pretty damn sure, Morey would have them nearly abandon the mid range game and just shoot 3's. The fact that he was going after Bosh and Melo isn't an admission that Morey would be down with 25 mid range shots a game.
Last year the Spurs shot 19.3 shots from 10 feet to 19 feet. The Rockets shot 7.4. DEAD LAST IN THE LEAGUE. Bitch and moan about the mid range shot all you want, but pretending the Rockets would embrace shooting 20 mid range shots a game even with Bosh on the floor or that the Rockets shooting so few of them makes them better than the Spurs is just bullshit.
Rockets got killed in the playoffs by a guy that attempted more midrange jumpshots than their entire team combined. It was great.
By RBKhttp://memeguy.com/photos/images/ever-feel-stuck-in-a-rut-going-in-circles-54821.gifI know. I can't help but feed the troll. :\
First he tries to convince us the key to offensive efficiency is shooting more mid-range jumpers. Then he tells me the key to getting a championship is having an ORTG over 110 for four consecutive series. Then he tells me Ainge had no influence on McDonough and Morey, and now he's telling me the trade to bring in Prigioni wasn't to help our playmaking. Dude needs to take an L.
Brehs I am on mobile and it's a pain in the ass to scroll past these huge ass walls of text endlessly quoted on top of each other just saying.
By ForeverBrehs I am on mobile and it's a pain in the ass to scroll past these huge ass walls of text endlessly quoted on top of each other just saying.
At least they're not going all Xzibit on the quotes.
By reiloIs there a way to just quote the last post yet?By ForeverBrehs I am on mobile and it's a pain in the ass to scroll past these huge ass walls of text endlessly quoted on top of each other just saying.
At least they're not going all Xzibit on the quotes.
By reiloRockets got killed in the playoffs by a guy that attempted more midrange jumpshots than their entire team combined. It was great.No answer for Aldridge.
We arguably have the 4/5 rotation this season, can only hope it pays off in the playoffs.
By chandlerparsonsBy RBKhttp://memeguy.com/photos/images/ever-feel-stuck-in-a-rut-going-in-circles-54821.gifI know. I can't help but feed the troll. :\
First he tries to convince us the key to offensive efficiency is shooting more mid-range jumpers. Then he tells me the key to getting a championship is having an ORTG over 110 for four consecutive series. Then he tells me Ainge had no influence on McDonough and Morey, and now he's telling me the trade to bring in Prigioni wasn't to help our playmaking. Dude needs to take an L.
Not at all. I tell you the key to offensive efficiency is running a good offense. The analytics community's response is that avoiding mid range is the only thing you should worry about.
Aldridge kills you with the mid range game. Spurs shoot 20 a game last season, you shoot 7. They win the chip, you get bounced from the first round. But keep telling me that MoreyBall is the best offensive system because as long as you shoot 3's you'll win.
By chandlerparsonsIs there a way to just quote the last post yet?
Fixed in the new editor, which is getting closer and closer. I'll have a video up of it tonight if everything goes well.
Literally the only reason to watch games anymore. Spo is still trying to jack his shine too. Smh.
By VahagnSo Masai is a good GM because he took a shitty situation and turned it into a team similar in strength to the Rockets but Morey is a bad GM because he took a team in a similar, if not worse situation and turned it into 2 superstars, good role players, flexibility and a good amount of assets.By JonmBy VahagnBy JonmBy VahagnYou are being dense. Clear as day. Irrefutably so.By JonmLOL. Boo hoo, people won't back me up on my crappy unqualified, logically hollow assertions about Morey being a horrible GM. I can't separate the projection of my opinion from reality. I can't accept opinions that aren't in line with my one. I have to lash out and verbally attack people now.
Lol, You called me dense, a climate change denier, and compared your idiotic assertions to irrefutable mathematics and physical evidence.
You're dumb. You're latching on to Morey because you view this as some quest where the people who don't accept Morey as great don't believe in climate change. You're that fucking dense.
How many times now have I posted about the context around the Tmac/yao situation and your response has been to sidestep it and make some crap assertion about Morey having just been treading water his whole career when that is irrefutably untrue?
Find me one other GM in modern history that has come out of the other side of losing two superstars to career ending injuries and within 4 years was a top 3 seed in the West and acquired the best SG in the league and arguably the best center in the league?"While I never like having to send out quality players like Kevin Martin and Jeremy Lamb, this trade gives us a chance to make an immediate impact on the future of our franchise moving forward," Rockets owner Leslie Alexander said in a statement. "James Harden was part of Team USA's gold medal team at the London Olympics and is one of the most skilled shooting guards in the NBA. James, along with the mix of young players we already have in place such as (guard) Jeremy Lin, (forward) Chandler Parsons and (center) Omer Asik give us a very solid group of young, talented players who will form the core of our team."
Keeping DAT core alive for chemistry purposes.
Morey offered tons of money and Houston hookers to Harden. Once Harden decided to go there, OKC either had to trade him or risk having him walk. It's not like they traded him there because Morey's assets were too irresistible.
Morey had his franchise in a position that he could even make an offer. You are literally inserting unfounded bullshit to try and knock what has become one of the best one sided deals since the Gasol trade.
This continues why this is liking arguing with a GW denialist, even the most blatant example of good GM'ing and your brain has to come up with a way to dismiss it.
So in your world a team of James Harden, Jeremy Lin, Chandler Parsons and Asik is a championship caliber core to stop tinkering with and build around but a core of James Harden and Dwight Howard is not?
By your logic Presti can't build chemistry because he keeps shipping off everyone but Durant, Westbrook and Ibaka.
Or is your logic you need three people for a core?
Of course that is a silly question because their is no logic at work here, just a series of posts throwing whatever shit you can conjure up to knock down Presti and hoping it sticks.
- Keeping 2 guys for 1.5 years isn't the definition of building chemistry when you'e shipped off the other 90%. Let's agree on that.
- If Harden wanted to come to LA and told the Thunder that they had better either trade him or he's going to leave in free agency because he's not ok with their extension, Presti could have found a deal with LA too. You're delusional if you think otherwise.
- The Gasol trade happened between GM's. Pau didn't ask for a trade specifically to LA and he wasn't shipped off over 5 million dollars.
- You keep mentioning the the rockets' demand to stay competitive but ignore that all teams have ownership demands. Heck, half the teams in this league don't have the budget that the Rockets have. And If OKC's owner didn't tell Presti to trade Harden over 5 million, Morey would be making his 81st trade to maintain a middling team as we speak.
- No, I don't think that was a championship core, but I'm not the one who pretended this team is building chemistry and that 2 guys for 1.5 years is proof of that.
- Climate change isn't opinion. It's mathematical data. Everything you're saying is opinion. Get the fuck over yourself.
- You're constantly measuring success by regular season record. His team hasn't done anything in the playoffs. Please wait till they do, because you have no damn guarantee that another first round exit this season won't result in Morey blowing up this core. So stop pretending he's already succeeded or that a guy who routinely turns over 90% of his team every couple seasons won't do it again next year.
I am rating success based on where a GM has taken their franchise relative to where he has had to work from and how he is maintaining and building that franchise. Under those parameters you have yet to make a convincing argument that Morey isn't a good GM.
Here is a simple challenge. Name me one other GM in the modern era of the salary cap that managed to lose two superstars and in less then 4 years manage to attain two more without blowing up the team and rebuilding through the draft? Not only that but remain competitive as a team?
Yes owners have performance goals but I would love you tell me some that have been more strict then the Rockets where a GM has found success?
To accomplish what he did and to not even entertain the notion that Morey is a good GM is the height of arrogance of opinion.
But I guess that is easy when you have yet to even acknowledge the indisputable fact that he did actually accomplish that. That he did have a pretty crummy situation after Yao and Tmac got hurt. That he took that crummy situation and has turned it into 2 superstars and 3rd place seed with room to make more moves. Instead you keep wrapping yourself in delusions and red herrings to try and downplay everything Morey has done. Ignoring basic facts and context in the process.
No the height of arrogance of opinion is equating your opinions to climate change data.
Dude your argument is a preposterous one: "Name me a guy who's done EXACTLY what Morey has done". Why do I have to? Not every GM is in the same situation, we don't measure success based solely on one person's experience. Name me a CEO who's done everything exactly the same as the CEO of Intel with all parameters and hindrances being the same. Oh you can't? He's a genius. This is essentially your argument.
Toronto lost Bosh, got strapped to a bunch of bad contracts, Masai built a Rockets level team. Portland lost Oden and Roy, built a team.
Name me a GM who's needed 47 trade chances to capture one All Star? Name me a GM who's let players at the caliber of Dragic/Lowry/Parsons go within a 3 year window that that team is trying to build a contender? Name me a GM in the last 7 years that HASN'T reached a Conference Finals despite having players that have the talent level of Yao/Dwight/Harden/TMac?
You are considering success to be regular season success, because the team that Morey built has only attained regular season success. You're assuming this team will continue to grow and eventually make a Conference Finals or a Finals. That he won't blow up the core and keep his 1st/2nd round treadmill act going. But you have no proof of that, and the past isn't an indication of that either.
You're ignoring the one group of GM's because you think their success isn't worth much because they had it easier than Morey and you're ignoring the hardships of other GM's because they haven't had the "success" Morey has had.
And quit telling me how I measure success, I flat out fucking told you. Im not gonna repeat it either.
As for the GW thing going over your head now for like the fourth post, no one is equating their opinions to climate change data. You are losing it son. Straight up fucking losing it. The GW comparison is a commentary on how stuck on your opinion you are that, like denialists, you can't let even the slither of a notion that your pre-determined conclusion my be incorrect. You continue to prove that over and over again with each additional post. But keep digging. Keep making these long winded posts that ultimately amount to a bunch of hot air to try and back up an opinion - that Morey is a horrible GM - that is absolutely ridiculous in the face of reality. I can accept the argument he isn't elite. I may even agree to an extent. I can see the logic(although not agree)in the the opinion of placing him below a number of other GM's. But horrible? Even just bad? No, just no.
By reiloFixed in the new editor, which is getting closer and closer. I'll have a video up of it tonight if everything goes well.Thanks for the update. Looking forward to it.
By chandlerparsonsI dont even like your fucking team LOL. I pretty much hope Howard cries his way to another early exit and Harden gets ejected in a critical game for flopping but this Vahagn guy is making me look your GM's biggest fanboy.By RBKhttp://memeguy.com/photos/images/ever-feel-stuck-in-a-rut-going-in-circles-54821.gifI know. I can't help but feed the troll. :\
First he tries to convince us the key to offensive efficiency is shooting more mid-range jumpers. Then he tells me the key to getting a championship is having an ORTG over 110 for four consecutive series. Then he tells me Ainge had no influence on McDonough and Morey, and now he's telling me the trade to bring in Prigioni wasn't to help our playmaking. Dude needs to take an L.
Its unbelievable how a stupid opinion can bring people to collectively shit on them together.
By JonmSo Masai is a good GM because he took a shitty situation and turned it into a team similar in strength to the Rockets but Morey is a bad GM because he took a team in a similar, if not worse situation and turned it into 2 superstars, good role players, flexibility and a good amount of assets.
And quit telling me how I measure success, I flat out fucking told you. Im not gonna repeat it either.
As for the GW thing going over your head now for like the fourth post, no one is equating their opinions to climate change data. You are losing it son. Straight up fucking losing it. The GW comparison is a commentary on how stuck on your opinion you are that, like denialists, you can't let even the slither of a notion that your pre-determined conclusion my be incorrect. You continue to prove that over and over again with each additional post. But keep digging. Keep making these long winded posts that ultimately amount to a bunch of hot air to try and back up an opinion - that Morey is a horrible GM - that is absolutely ridiculous in the face of reality.
Ok last one
a) Masai has been with the Raptors how long now? He's a better GM because he hasn't made as many glaring mistakes. He's built up a similarly talented team in less time, and he didn't fucking hire and stick with Kevin McHale. Also, Toronto is a far more difficult city to get players to stay in than Houston. Getting NY to accept Bargnani for assets is a far harder trade to make than getting a desperate Thunder team to trade Harden to you when they've already determined to trade him. You want me to keep going?
b) If you think you've accepted new arguments, you're kidding yourself. Equating me to a climate change denier means I deny something that's objectively true based on irrefutable evidence and data. The thing is that you think that your opinion of Morey is equivalent to climate change or hard data, but it's just an opinion based on arbitrarily weighted values that I don't share. Or that people "like me and Chuck" are not willing to accept data. You're a dimwit egomaniac.
C) No, you measured success by the only mathematical metric you provided in all this time. 5th best regular season record since his tenure. Everything else is opinion that essentially boils down to "I think he had it really bad and I think he's built a good team". Opinions. That's all. When I point to Toronto or Portland you ignore those because one piece of the equation isn't the same. That's absurd.
D) I never said he's a horrible GM. I said he's not a good GM and he's either mediocre or bad. I'm not caught up in his methods and his full throated embrace of analytics like you are, and lets be honest, that's the only reason you think highly of him anyway.
By JonmBy chandlerparsonsI dont even like your fucking team LOL. I pretty much hope Howard cries his way to another early exit and Harden gets ejected in a critical game for flopping but this Vahagn guy is making me look your GM's biggest fanboy.By RBKhttp://memeguy.com/photos/images/ever-feel-stuck-in-a-rut-going-in-circles-54821.gifI know. I can't help but feed the troll. :\
First he tries to convince us the key to offensive efficiency is shooting more mid-range jumpers. Then he tells me the key to getting a championship is having an ORTG over 110 for four consecutive series. Then he tells me Ainge had no influence on McDonough and Morey, and now he's telling me the trade to bring in Prigioni wasn't to help our playmaking. Dude needs to take an L.
Its unbelievable how a stupid opinion can bring people to collectively shit on them together.
That guy's the biggest apologist here for the Rockets. And you're obsessed with this notion that you and analytics are fighting the evils of me, Chuck, and climate change deniers. Plenty of people have said Morey's a bad or overrated GM. On this board or otherwise. They just don't give a fuck enough to argue with your incredibly specific criteria you mistake to be objective data.
