Dude is claiming that is the entirety of BLM. C'mon Dy. There is a difference between anti-cop sentiment and "that's what BLM is and stands for." Can we not do this.
By Tea Go To PostDude is claiming that is the entirety of BLM. C'mon Dy. There is a difference between anti-cop sentiment and "that's what BLM is and stands for." Can we not do this.No, he didn't...
By DY_nasty Go To PostNo, he didn't…
The BLM ppl that I've known in real life and are in my facebook feed LITREALLY responded to the Dallas shooting with "nah fuck the pigs". I've watched their racism in their posts and ideas for months, and understand that BLM is backed by ideas and points of view that will naturally lead to this.Literally said that. What views is BLM backing that "naturally lead" to police officers being attacked and murdered?
Dude is blaming antiracist activists (and their viewpoints) for violence they're protesting and suffering from. He's shifting the blame away from oppressors, down to people who have been active against it.
Like, say there's a protest of a million people and one dude decides to go break some windows at the margins of it. The dude is saying it's the general ideas of the protest that fueled that one dude's actions. And he's going further, saying BLM fuels racism at large, most people in it being anti-white racist (a notion which should be offensive in our context). It's, at best, dumb. I don't think it's disingenuous though. But he's red-baiting.
Like, say there's a protest of a million people and one dude decides to go break some windows at the margins of it. The dude is saying it's the general ideas of the protest that fueled that one dude's actions. And he's going further, saying BLM fuels racism at large, most people in it being anti-white racist (a notion which should be offensive in our context). It's, at best, dumb. I don't think it's disingenuous though. But he's red-baiting.
Like are we really gonna sit here and debate the existence of extremists/anarchists who inevitably do shit within the movements but are not at all the point or purpose of it? Next up how to do civil rights and feminism, just shut up, take it and "work within the system." I've seen this bullshit before, it's just status quo assholery trying to paint itself as something else.
Also there seems to be an effort to concern troll there and basically be offended at the oppressed group talking about the oppressors in any such terms that identify whatever block of people said concern troll's identity inhabits. How does one actually ever go about tackling and dismantling oppressive power structures if they cannot name the group or groups who've done it and continue to reap benefits from said oppression.
By Tea Go To PostAlso there seems to be an effort to concern troll there and basically be offended at the oppressed group talking about the oppressors in any such terms that identify whatever block of people said concern troll's identity inhabits. How does one actually ever go about tackling and dismantling oppressive power structures if they cannot name the group or groups who've done it and continue to reap benefits from said oppression.
Some of those people are sociopaths who would be contrarian no matter the issue. But then there are otherwise relatively decent people who would just have trouble conceding that they benefit from said power structures because they think it diminishes their own hard work, when in reality all it means is that there are other people who work just as hard for less. I've heard these kind of people say it's purely academic at this point because they started from nothing and now they have everything they want. It's just lost on them that the hurdles were fewer and further between for them merely because of an accident of birth. Throw statistics at their heads long enough and the reasonable ones eventually come around, but most of the time you're lucky if you get some lip service and a liberal vote.
I really question any reading of what I said that thinks I said something about BLM as a whole. It's a hashtag movement, it will be naturally nebulous, but I would argue it's more organized than other hashtags.
I said there was a heartbeat in BLM that comes from Anti-capitalist/radfem POVs common in college. (I went to a very liberal, protest heavy college. I am familiar with this vibe. That's how I have BLM people I know that go to BLM rallies.) I infer those POVs and the baggage coming from them feed the bad parts of BLM. I don't see how you have a mindset that capitalism must fall and not have a bad outcome in a capitalist country when what you're trying to address is policy and save lives. Those ideas feed BLM, then they spread out to the wider world.
(To be blunt, I'm not talking about white girl BLM. )
Just as a thought experiment, consider the Jesse Williams speech. There is a point in that speech where he compares athlete endorsements to slavery branding. Is that a civil rights argument? Is that a police brutality argument? Where does that come from? You know where it comes from.
As for the triggering on terms I use: those terms represent real things. Identity politics is a real thing. It's hard to ignore when you see it play out. These ideas may be new to you, but not to me. I've been watching these things before there was a common term for them.
I said there was a heartbeat in BLM that comes from Anti-capitalist/radfem POVs common in college. (I went to a very liberal, protest heavy college. I am familiar with this vibe. That's how I have BLM people I know that go to BLM rallies.) I infer those POVs and the baggage coming from them feed the bad parts of BLM. I don't see how you have a mindset that capitalism must fall and not have a bad outcome in a capitalist country when what you're trying to address is policy and save lives. Those ideas feed BLM, then they spread out to the wider world.
(To be blunt, I'm not talking about white girl BLM. )
Just as a thought experiment, consider the Jesse Williams speech. There is a point in that speech where he compares athlete endorsements to slavery branding. Is that a civil rights argument? Is that a police brutality argument? Where does that come from? You know where it comes from.
As for the triggering on terms I use: those terms represent real things. Identity politics is a real thing. It's hard to ignore when you see it play out. These ideas may be new to you, but not to me. I've been watching these things before there was a common term for them.
By etiolation Go To PostI really question any reading of what I said that thinks I said something about BLM as a whole. It's a hashtag movement, it will be naturally nebulous, but I would argue it's more organized than other hashtags.
I said there was a heartbeat in BLM that comes from Anti-capitalist/radfem POVs common in college. (I went to a very liberal, protest heavy college. I am familiar with this vibe. That's how I have BLM people I know that go to BLM rallies.) I infer those POVs and the baggage coming from them feed the bad parts of BLM. I don't see how you have a mindset that capitalism must fall and not have a bad outcome in a capitalist country when what you're trying to address is policy and save lives. Those ideas feed BLM, then they spread out to the wider world.
(To be blunt, I'm not talking about white girl BLM. )
Just as a thought experiment, consider the Jesse Williams speech. There is a point in that speech where he compares athlete endorsements to slavery branding. Is that a civil rights argument? Is that a police brutality argument? Where does that come from? You know where it comes from.
As for the triggering on terms I use: those terms represent real things. Identity politics is a real thing. It's hard to ignore when you see it play out. These ideas may be new to you, but not to me. I've been watching these things before there was a common term for them.
I've watched their racism in their posts and ideas for months, and understand that BLM is backed by ideas and points of view that will naturally lead to this..
By reilo Go To PostLiterally said that. What views is BLM backing that "naturally lead" to police officers being attacked and murdered?Naturally lead to this? It kinda will. Just go and google how many people who've repped a BLM hashtag and said something as subtle as "karma /shurg" over the past day or so.
Bad apples exist. Echo chambers of bad shit within good organizations exist too.
It happens
for the record, i think the other stuff said was largely horeshit - im just speaking on that one specific thing
"I know first hand the domination of undercover 3rd wave feminisf Marxists who rule college campus and create a culture of violence as they manipulate gullible girls" etc etc. I didn't know Glenn Beck had young-ish fans. What kind of shit is this. Dude thinks he found out some crazy conspiracy because he knows some words but not their meaning.
It's the BLM without the rage. It's the sort of "what cuz you're white you need to understand" sort of BLM. It's softer, gentler and internet-borne. It's not deep into it.
Also, there's a chance I'm older than you. I only threw the dig at you to establish boundary. You don't know what I am.
I would like the idea engaged. However, this has become too attack-dog, and not about the topic at hand. I don't like the spotlight and everyone's opinion of me isn't important. I don't think you're getting what I'm saying or capable of it so just drop it.
We'll see if this causes a shift in tone or a drift away from BLM. I think smart people with more standing will understand what I'm getting at and that's why there will be a move away. I could be wrong, but the fear of escalation and what it means for black people can cause such a thing.
Also, there's a chance I'm older than you. I only threw the dig at you to establish boundary. You don't know what I am.
I would like the idea engaged. However, this has become too attack-dog, and not about the topic at hand. I don't like the spotlight and everyone's opinion of me isn't important. I don't think you're getting what I'm saying or capable of it so just drop it.
We'll see if this causes a shift in tone or a drift away from BLM. I think smart people with more standing will understand what I'm getting at and that's why there will be a move away. I could be wrong, but the fear of escalation and what it means for black people can cause such a thing.
By etiolation Go To PostYou don't know what I am.I know just fine, sadly.
You wrote "white girl" in order to say "harmless and poorly-informed".
That says so much about you.
Still just baffled at how people are supposed to discuss oppressive power structures with absolutely no ill will towards institutions and establishments that persist in assisting aforementioned discrimination and subjugation.
By Tea Go To PostStill just baffled at how people are supposed to discuss oppressive power structures with absolutely no ill will towards institutions and establishments that persist in assisting aforementioned discrimination and subjugation.
Why won't you think of my feelings.
I heard when oppressed minorities use "please" something gets done.
Wait that's not how history ever actually pans out?
Oh...
Wait that's not how history ever actually pans out?
Oh...
By DY_nasty Go To Postetio is conspiracy guy but we all know thatHe's like the reason the ignore feature exist. You can't talk to these people.
BLM just letting anybody with any agenda fuck with them means that movement was never gunna present a coherent front. And some of the #sheabutter feminists in that movement have a problem with heterosexual Black men & dismiss them as Hoteps and misogynists who want to repress them with a "male hierarchy"
So, can we all agree that Etio is just a 4-chan misogynist who's just tempering himself around us? Or is that going too far.
Least Portland is throwing the book at this asshole: http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2016/07/man_accused_of_pulling_gun_on.html#incart_big-photo
Michael Strickland, the 36-year-old man accused of pulling a gun on Don't Shoot PDX protesters marching outside Portland's Justice Center, had a round in the chamber of the loaded handgun he swept in front of the crowd and five other magazines of ammunition on him Thursday night, according to court records.
Multnomah County deputy district attorney Kate Molina Friday successfully argued for Strickland's bail to be set at $250,000 after two felony counts of unlawful use of a firearm were added to misdemeanor allegations of menacing and second-degree disorderly conduct.
Four sheriff's deputies then placed him in handcuffs and led him to jail directly from arraignment court at the Justice Center.
Strickland had an extended clip in what appeared to be a Glock 26 that he swept at chest level multiple times in front of protesters and a plain-clothed Portland police officer, the prosecutor said.
Hundreds of protesters had gathered downtown to demonstrate against the deaths of two black men in back-to-back police shootings this week in Minnesota and Louisiana.
Portland Officer Branden L. Combs was in Chapman Square during the protest and heard people running by him yelling, "Gun! Gun!'' and "He's got a gun,'' according to a probable cause affidavit.
One of the protesters told police that he had recognized Strickland from other demonstrations where he had tried to "incite or instigate others," and attempted to tell Strickland to leave Thursday night. That's when he saw Strickland reach under his shirt and pull out the weapon, the affidavit said.
Officer Combs was standing about 20 to 25 yards from Strickland when he saw him sweep the crowd with the firearm, Molina wrote in the affidavit.
Once Strickland was arrested, police found an extended clip in the handgun, a round in the chamber of the gun, plus two magazines of ammunition in a belt pouch on his left side, two magazines in his front right pants pocket and one magazine in his left front pants pocket, Molina said. He also had a pocket knife in his right front pants pocket.
Strickland's attorney Chris Trotter countered that Strickland was a journalist with a concealed weapons license who "has every right to protect himself.''
He said he'd never heard of such a high bail sought for a defendant with no past criminal record. Trotter accused the district attorney's office of "making an example'' of his client in front of a courtroom with media and news cameras, and amid a climate of heightened sensitivity to guns.
Molina said she took offense at the characterization.
"Given that Mr. Strickland pulled a gun on a crowd of people in front of the steps of the Justice Center" while heavily armed, and has a past police report alleging "possibly race-based threats'' against an attendee at a Portland vigil for the victims of last month's nightclub shooting in Orlando, Florida, the heightened bail is justified, Molina responded.
http://www.wfaa.com/news/reports-dpd-under-lockdown-swat-deployed-following-serious-threat/268431154
More shit going down. DPD on lockdown right now, talk of some armed group making their presence known.
More shit going down. DPD on lockdown right now, talk of some armed group making their presence known.
APD shutting down the 17th street bridge it looks like. protesters trying to block it, and now appear to be trying to move towards the interstate. stay away from Atlantic Station this weekend, i guess.
So this looks like another execution. Brother had a weapon in hand, but both hands were in the air when he was shot 10 times.
https://twitter.com/Partisan2016/status/751925685191671809
These cops out here are foot soldiers, goddamn. Dude was clearly drunk, but aint no way a White man in that same situation isnt being afforded a lot more attempts at de-escalation. This was payback.
https://twitter.com/Partisan2016/status/751925685191671809
These cops out here are foot soldiers, goddamn. Dude was clearly drunk, but aint no way a White man in that same situation isnt being afforded a lot more attempts at de-escalation. This was payback.
By theignoramus Go To Postbut aint no way a White man in that same situation isnt being afforded a lot more attempts at de-escalation. This was payback.
i dont even think this needs to be stated, because the first things that come to mind is dylan roof being taken to burger king or that white dude that kept eating tasers in a mcdonalds
black people probably didnt even know cops had tasers until that video because its always straight to excessive force
jfc... This time in Houston: https://twitter.com/mr_franklin5/status/752005563815383040
I can't get over people talking about SJWs being so vitriolic and whatever now, like how old and or sheltered are these folks. There were militant af leftist groups that planted fucking bombs, killed people and did armed robberies in the 70s. But no some fucking radical on tumblr, oh noes.
By Tea Go To PostI can't get over people talking about SJWs being so vitriolic and whatever now, like how old and or sheltered are these folks. There were militant af leftist groups that planted fucking bombs, killed people and did armed robberies in the 70s. But no some fucking radical on tumblr, oh noes.I think internet is empowering to old conservatives the same way driving a car is. You don't really have to engage with the world, there's a wheel/keyboard in between, with relative anonymity, etc.
(kinda like that guy https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=97hfxth3aas )
Also, let's not forget that during MLK's lifetime, a majority of white people said MLK was anti-white, would go too far, etc (very much like etiolation talks about BLM). Hard to imagine today. If BLM had a leader, she/he would probably encounter less resistance than MLK did. So there's that for hope.
Yeah, angry White people foaming at the mouth about BLM, ummm, yall remember when the BPP put hits out on cops & and went after judges?
There must be more protests starting to form again in Atlanta. I was on 75 south earlier and like 10 highway patrol cars zoomed past us in the HOV lane. With that many cars, they must be going to block something.
By Tea Go To PostI can't get over people talking about SJWs being so vitriolic and whatever now, like how old and or sheltered are these folks. There were militant af leftist groups that planted fucking bombs, killed people and did armed robberies in the 70s. But no some fucking radical on tumblr, oh noes.
On the way to achieving balance, the scales are inevitably gonna tip in the other direction for a bit. I accept that people on the left are gonna be nasty in response to nastiness. I'll even say it may be necessary for the other side to know what it actually feels like to be treated like shit before they finally understand why they shouldn't do it.
A black matriarchy should rule the world for a while, just so we can see what it's like.
By reilo Go To Postjfc… This time in Houston: https://twitter.com/mr_franklin5/status/752005563815383040
Here's story
http://www.khou.com/mb/news/local/one-man-dead-after-officer-involved-shooting-in-se-houston/268276262
Gotta be woke 24/7 man
man I swear if I read another black on black crime or police kill more whites deflection I might snap
By DY_nasty Go To Postcrazy how we were JUST talking about how shit like that could happen too
yeah some of yall might of that i was joking, but i was serious af about that drive into work
im hating that i have to fly into a red state tonight too
the other black people in my unit are all just queasy now headed back to mainland
the other black people in my unit are all just queasy now headed back to mainland
By AlphaSnacks Go To PostIf you guys think racism is bad here…you haven't seen the rest of the world: places like Poland and Russia. And most Asian countries. And many Latin American countries. And especially Middle Eastern countries. Many of these places will openly look at you with a berating look and most will even say something to your face in public (Russia gives no fucks about what we perceive to be racist imagery. Blackface? Hilarious. Monkey face? HAH! I'm not joking either. Russia, Poland, Ukraine are fucked up). Shockingly enough, Israel is actually pretty good in that regard, but that's also because they have a lot of Ethiopian immigrants, and the state itself is very receptive of minorities and the LGBT (including parades and recognizing marriages).
I think American Black folk are especially hurt by racism in the US because of this country's history, and how relatively recently it all 'ended'. I mean, for fuck's sake, it was in legislature. In other countries it was/is just basically fuckery on a personal level, as opposed to executive level. US promises equality, others don't necessarily do that. You expect something from the USA and when you feel like you're not getting it, that's where the anger comes from. Broken and/or false promises hurt a lot.
Regarding Canada, while it may be a solid choice to move to, it's also extremely freaking cold and the winters suck balls. I'd move there, but I hate the cold and I'm not a fan of their economy and economic policies.
My plan is to get some rental property in the states, buy a compound/mansion on the virgin islands to live, retire early move out there and die. America is great for money..... but fuck living here until I'm old and worn out. Originally the plan was to do this with Nigeria or maybe the seychelles islands but fml Boko Haram does have me shook of going anywhere in Africa right now.
By blackace Go To Postman I swear if I read another black on black crime or police kill more whites deflection I might snap
My response is "funny, conservatives only defend killers when they're white. How many black on black crime events have you tried this hard to defend the killer like y'all did with Zimmerman, officer Wilson, and everyone else the last two years"
There is only one thing separating liberals and conservatives on this issue. Conservatives are "pro-killer of black men" as long as the killer himself isn't black or Muslim.
By DY_nasty Go To PostCan you ease off the massive, broad strokes a little bit man?
Defending white killers is the conservative position on the issue. Sure there are plenty of conservatives who don't, but that's because they're more accepting of the liberal position.
Much in the same way that the conservative position on the issue of gay marriage is that gay people are an abomination and they shouldn't be allowed to marry, this doesn't change when some conservatives reject that position and embrace the liberal one.
When I say conservatives I don't mean "all conservative people". I mean the conservative ideological position.
It's like saying "libertarians don't support NSA snooping". I'm sure there are plenty of self-identified libertarians that do, but it runs counter to the libertarian ideological position.
The Atlanta protests have now made their way into my neighborhood, they are at the park and say it is ending there. I can hear the choppers overhead and the sirends. But there's always the ones that don't want to end it there, and those are usually the ones that get into it with police (as they have the 3 nights prior to this). I hope they stay on that side of the park.
By 3SidedPolygons Go To PostDefending white killers is the conservative position on the issue. Sure there are plenty of conservatives who don't, but that's because they're more accepting of the liberal position.
Much in the same way that the conservative position on the issue of gay marriage is that gay people are an abomination and they shouldn't be allowed to marry, this doesn't change when some conservatives reject that position and embrace the liberal one.
When I say conservatives I don't mean "all conservative people". I mean the conservative ideological position.
It's like saying "libertarians don't support NSA snooping". I'm sure there are plenty of self-identified libertarians that do, but it runs counter to the libertarian ideological position.
This is a great example how things got fucked up when talking race and / or class in the US.
Somehow these issues became blended with politics... conservatives claiming racism is a liberal myth and liberals seemingly overly interested in pushing racial agendas...
We have to separate the politics from the right to live with respect and diginty... politics are forcing people to take sides because of misinformation on all fronts...