By reiloKOBE'S BACK
10PTS on 10FGA, 40FG%
15PTS on 14FGA, 43FG%
Model of efficiency. Also averaging 5.3TOV over that span.
Kobe last 3 - 48 points on 35 shots
Timmy last 3 - 41 points on 31 shots
Seems pretty similar to me.
See, in Reilo's world. Flirting with a triple double in 3 consecutive games while shooting 47% from the field deserves nitpicking just to stubbornly claim you're right.
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In the three games prior, Kobe played 30, 34 and 37 minutes.
In his three games back, Kobe played 32, 31 and 33 minutes.
Clearly the problem was that he was averaging 33MPG and not 32MPG.
In the three games prior, Kobe played 30, 34 and 37 minutes.
In his three games back, Kobe played 32, 31 and 33 minutes.
Clearly the problem was that he was averaging 33MPG and not 32MPG.
Myles Turner is so good at shooting for a seven footer who plays hard and plays defense, we must have him >:(
By reiloNot shown in the image I posted above:
In the three games prior, Kobe played 30, 34 and 37 minutes.
In his three games back, Kobe played 32, 31 and 33 minutes.
Clearly the problem was that he was averaging 33MPG and not 32MPG.
3 games of rest? Like a week off? You're kidding right?
By VahagnBy reiloKOBE'S BACK
10PTS on 10FGA, 40FG%
15PTS on 14FGA, 43FG%
Model of efficiency. Also averaging 5.3TOV over that span.
Kobe last 3 - 48 points on 35 shots
Timmy last 3 - 41 points on 31 shots
Seems pretty similar to me.
Ah, deflect.
Kobe played two bad games and had one good game against a bottom ten defensive team. He's clearly back.
By reiloBy VahagnBy reiloKOBE'S BACK
10PTS on 10FGA, 40FG%
15PTS on 14FGA, 43FG%
Model of efficiency. Also averaging 5.3TOV over that span.
Kobe last 3 - 48 points on 35 shots
Timmy last 3 - 41 points on 31 shots
Seems pretty similar to me.
Ah, deflect.
Kobe played two bad games and had one good game against a bottom ten defensive team. He's clearly back.
If you think 15/8/9 on 43% shooting is a bad game for a 19 year guard, you're just nuts. He was +5 yesterday. LA lost by 3.
So he had one bad shooting game, his first game back after a week rest. Rust? whats that?
By reiloThought we were talking about his efficiency? When is 15pts on 14fga ever been deemed efficient?Well if Burke did that last night we win easy.
sigh
By reiloThought we were talking about his efficiency? When is 15pts on 14fga ever been deemed efficient?
When it includes 9 assists, a +5 in the +/- column, and 43% shooting overall. I said his jumpshot will be better. I didn't say he'd average 10 FT's a game. Which is your quibble here. If he shot 10 FT's and made 8 he'd have an extra 7 points. What I said was the opposite. Less FTA going forward.
And I used TD, not to deflect, but because I never said he'd be "back". I said he'd be TD tier effective. The difference between him and TD this season has been entirely how their minutes/game has been managed. Not anything else. That's the premise.
There is a way to optimize using Kobe to make him effective and efficient and a pretty strong net positive on the floor. Last night was definitely one of those nights.
But he didn't! And he's averaging 7.6FTA on the season already and his efficiency is all-time bad already.
Kobe will never be Tim Duncan-tier effective after an achilles injury and missing most of last season. You should forget about that.
I don't know why you think he would. This is all before we even get into the defensive side of the ball. Tim Duncan is still an elite defender, Kobe hasn't been in years.
Kobe will never be Tim Duncan-tier effective after an achilles injury and missing most of last season. You should forget about that.
I don't know why you think he would. This is all before we even get into the defensive side of the ball. Tim Duncan is still an elite defender, Kobe hasn't been in years.
MCW is last in win shares.
Noel is third.
Luc is 10th.
lol.
IWMTB, who should I be looking at in the draft?
Noel is third.
Luc is 10th.
lol.
IWMTB, who should I be looking at in the draft?
By pilonv1https://vine.co/v/OdqTr9gKiOVholy shit.
amazing
this team is going to explode and never win another game again this season. /hope.
The NBA announced Saturday morning that the Nets will appear on national television two more times this season, once on January 28, the other on March 6.1. Fuck da Knicks let's never put them on national TV again
In a press release, the league stated that the Nets-Hawks game on January 28 will now be featured on ESPN, replacing the Knicks-Thunder game that was original slotted there. In what could possibly be a playoff matchup in Brooklyn vs. Atlanta, the league opted to flex that one in favor of showing the 5-30 Knicks take on the surging Thunder.
On March 6, the Nets-Suns game will be shown on the worldwide leader of sports, replacing the Wizards-Heat game. Both the Suns and Nets are likely to be fighting for playoff position by the time of this game, so the league believes that it is a good idea to show these two on a national stage.
2. Plumlee battle yesss
By knux-futureMCW is last in win shares.
Noel is third.
Luc is 10th.
lol.
IWMTB, who should I be looking at in the draft?
All of the good players in the draft are terrible complements to Embiid and Noel and Embiid and Noel already have almost no chance of playing together. Kristaps Porzingis could be pretty awesome next to Embiid though. He's quick enough to play PF, he's seven feet tall so he can be a small ball center and a guy who abuses small PFs, he shoots over 40% from three, and he defends.
The other guys... I don't like any of them playing PF in the NBA. Turner, Towns, and Okafor are all great at basketball but they're not that quick and I would hate to see them trying to chase Anthony Davis or Kevin Love. Mudiay is the only guard in the draft worth caring about apparently but I've never watched him play so whatever.
By IWMTB19By knux-futureMCW is last in win shares.
Noel is third.
Luc is 10th.
lol.
IWMTB, who should I be looking at in the draft?
All of the good players in the draft are terrible complements to Embiid and Noel and Embiid and Noel already have almost no chance of playing together. Kristaps Porzingis could be pretty awesome next to Embiid though. He's quick enough to play PF, he's seven feet tall so he can be a small ball center and a guy who abuses small PFs, he shoots over 40% from three, and he defends.
The other guys… I don't like any of them playing PF in the NBA. Turner, Towns, and Okafor are all great at basketball but they're not that quick and I would hate to see them trying to chase Anthony Davis or Kevin Love. Mudiay is the only guard in the draft worth caring about apparently but I've never watched him play so whatever.
neat.
so I ask again...
what the fuck are we tanking foooooooor
I mean, Embiid might be a bust. He's amazing, but he has all of these injuries. Karl Towns/Myles Turner and Embiid or Towns/Turner and Noel could never play together, but if Embiid has a 50% chance of working out and Towns/Turner have a 50% chance of working out... You increase the odds of having a superstar three years from now even if you pick a player who is an abysmal fit for the franchise and could never play with the best players on the team.
I'm guessing Noel has to be traded before Saric comes to the NBA to make any of it work though since Noel can't play PF in today's NBA without experiencing death on offense (it would be like playing Ben Wallace at PF...) and Saric is a PF as well.
I'm guessing Noel has to be traded before Saric comes to the NBA to make any of it work though since Noel can't play PF in today's NBA without experiencing death on offense (it would be like playing Ben Wallace at PF...) and Saric is a PF as well.
I found out what Karasev was doing over the summer instead of lifting weights.
Dude was practically anorexic. Thanks for teaching him shit habits Cleveland.
Dude was practically anorexic. Thanks for teaching him shit habits Cleveland.
By IWMTB19I mean, Embiid might be a bust. He's amazing, but he has all of these injuries. Karl Towns/Myles Turner and Embiid or Towns/Turner and Noel could never play together, but if Embiid has a 50% chance of working out and Towns/Turner have a 50% chance of working out… You increase the odds of having a superstar three years from now even if you pick a player who is an abysmal fit for the franchise and could never play with the best players on the team.
I'm guessing Noel has to be traded before Saric comes to the NBA to make any of it work though since Noel can't play PF in today's NBA without experiencing death on offense (it would be like playing Ben Wallace at PF…) and Saric is a PF as well.
arguably the best scenario would be for them to hold Noel until the lottery and if they end up with a 2-4 pick offer that pick along with Noel to move up for towns or turner if they were seeking a big. However I still think that if Philly or Detroit were to get the #1 pick they would wise to just get Mudiay. Also the plan should be to use Noel to move up for Mudiay. He has the potential to be the star swing man that philly needs and if they get #1 then they can just move Noel if Embiid comes back healthy.
Congrats ATL, 1st place is yours.
Tomorrow, this West coast death march finally ends. This week DeRozan should finally come back. Raps will be back!
Tomorrow, this West coast death march finally ends. This week DeRozan should finally come back. Raps will be back!
By knux-futureneat.This is honestly a question that has to be asked from the beginning.
so I ask again…
what the fuck are we tanking foooooooor
The Wolves intentionally lost games for two straight seasons and walked away with Wesley Johnson and Derrick Williams in back to back drafts. It's really a scared straight story where at the end of it I came out believing that you should always try to win as much as possible because 15 win seasons that end with the #4 pick just aren't any fun. I'd rather have a team that's decently respectable than not have a prayer of winning most nights.
By rodeoclownBy knux-futureneat.This is honestly a question that has to be asked from the beginning.
so I ask again…
what the fuck are we tanking foooooooor
The Wolves intentionally lost games for two straight seasons and walked away with Wesley Johnson and Derrick Williams in back to back drafts. It's really a scared straight story where at the end of it I came out believing that you should always try to win as much as possible because 15 win seasons that end with the #4 pick just aren't any fun. I'd rather have a team that's decently respectable than not have a prayer of winning most nights.
yeah...if I learned anything from this is that I probably will be less harsh on those Jrue/Iggy teams now.
By reilohttps://vine.co/v/Od5vaQHOU0uThat's a real life double jump.
Hearing that Quin Snyder's Utah Jazz have Elijah Millsap of the Bakersfield Jam in their sights for a @nbadleague callup
:)
By blackacelol Kobe is TD efficient is something I just read lol
Essentially identical points per shot attempt numbers over the last 3 games and the same number of points per game.
Eh fuck it, I don't know why I try. Truly Fox News Obama tier, this place.
By VahagnBy blackacelol Kobe is TD efficient is something I just read lol
Essentially identical points per shot attempt numbers over the last 3 games and the same number of points per game.
Eh fuck it, I don't know why I try. Truly Fox News Obama tier, this place.
over the last 3 games...
What Vag thinks this forum is about (replace heavy metal with statistics. Satan is Morey is something):
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7_4R6CDhN_M
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7_4R6CDhN_M
His analogy is all wrong.
Kobe isn't Obama. He's 2008 John McCain and Byron Scott is his Sarah Palin.
Kobe isn't Obama. He's 2008 John McCain and Byron Scott is his Sarah Palin.
By MorisBy VahagnBy blackacelol Kobe is TD efficient is something I just read lol
Essentially identical points per shot attempt numbers over the last 3 games and the same number of points per game.
Eh fuck it, I don't know why I try. Truly Fox News Obama tier, this place.
over the last 3 games…
Lol. Who said the whole season? I said, BEFORE HE CAME BACK, that he could be TD tier effective and efficient if his minutes stay down, he's utilized differently in the offense, and he gets proper rest and rest days. If TD had no rest days, took 23 shots a game, and was the centerpiece of the offense 85% of the time, his efficiency would plummet.
If Kobe's used as much as, and in a similar fashion as, TD - he'll be similarly effective. Which he has been. This just comes from understanding the game and understanding the root causes of Kobe's inefficiency this season and the differences in how the two players are used.
It's a small sample size, but it's the only applicable one we have this season because it's the only one that meets those very simple stipulations.
And Reilo, regarding Defense, it depends entirely on what you look at. LA is one of the best in the league this year at defending opposing SG's. I play daily fantasy and use Defense vs. Position stats regularly. While LAL is the worst in the league at defending the PG, it's 7th BEST in the league at defending the SG position.
If you watch Kobe (and understand defensive fundamentals) you understand that he plays defense. The main thing he doesn't do and won't do is close out properly. That's just a legs thing. Sprinting and then chopping your feet to properly close out takes more out of your legs than almost every other activity. So he hovers around the paint and limits how much he runs around. This is just age. And It's precisely how TD plays defense. He's rarely asked to close out on 3 point shooters, so they player a similar style. He just defends Centers and PF's so he gets burned on 3 point shots less often.
FYI SAS is 23rd in the league at defending PF's and 11th in the league at defending Centers based on those same metrics.
"I can tell you that closing out on shooters is more exhausting than being the anchor of the 3rd best defense in the NBA and protecting the paint on every possession" I need the lol symbol back, relio :(
By pilonv1https://vine.co/v/OdqbuQPgJa6
LOL
That's my coach *sniff*
By reiloHis analogy is all wrong.
Kobe isn't Obama. He's 2008 John McCain and Byron Scott is his Sarah Palin.
Dude, despite all the clear evidence of me being right, of his improved and efficient play and how it's similar to TD's production, you cherry pick stats because you're starting from a point of "what stat can I use to make Kobe look bad. He's been doing this thing well? Let's ignore that"
Your entire approach in this argument is Fox News Obama tier. TD Averaging 17/11 is godlike, Kobe averaging 15/9/9 is a poo poo head. This is the essence of your argument.
I cherry pick stats? Says the dude making his entire argument on a three game sample LMAO
In two out of three of those games, Kobe is 10-24FG and has 25PTS.
EFFICIENCY HE SAYS.
You couldn't be anymore wrong. Thanks for the laughs.
In two out of three of those games, Kobe is 10-24FG and has 25PTS.
EFFICIENCY HE SAYS.
You couldn't be anymore wrong. Thanks for the laughs.
By IWMTB19"I can tell you that closing out on shooters is more exhausting than being the anchor of the 3rd best defense in the NBA and protecting the paint on every possession" I need the lol symbol back, relio :(
Lol. Have you ever done a closeout drill? I'm asking seriously.
By IWMTB19"I can tell you that closing out on shooters is more exhausting than being the anchor of the 3rd best defense in the NBA and protecting the paint on every possession" I need the lol symbol back, relio :(
Lol. Have you ever done a closeout drill? I'm asking seriously.
By reiloI cherry pick stats? Says the dude making his entire argument on a three game sample LMAO
In two out of three of those games, Kobe is 10-24FG and has 25PTS.
EFFICIENCY HE SAYS.
You couldn't be anymore wrong. Thanks for the laughs.
Dude shot 40%+ in 3 consecutive games. He hasn't done that all season. You're cherry picking stats because you're ignoring his 54% shooting game on a larger shooting sample size. The definition of cherry picking stats. If Fox News ran Obama's jobs numbers the last 3 months, but left out the highest performing month in it's assessment, they would be laughed at. So congrats, Sean Hannity.
As is using raw FG% to compare a guard and a center lol. Your shit is lazy, son.
Kobe was a bit more efficient than Duncan throughout his career, but Kobe is legendary in his inefficiency this year and part of the worst defense in the NBA while Duncan is still close to the best defender in the league.
If Kobe can go fifteen games averaging a lot of assists and having good %s, I would change my opinion about Kobe being fucking terrible this year, but, as of now, I feel confident in saying that Kobe is fucking terrible this year.
Have you ever rebounded and banged in the paint against seven footers for 32 minutes a night while directing action on defense.
If Kobe can go fifteen games averaging a lot of assists and having good %s, I would change my opinion about Kobe being fucking terrible this year, but, as of now, I feel confident in saying that Kobe is fucking terrible this year.
Lol. Have you ever done a closeout drill? I'm asking seriously.
Have you ever rebounded and banged in the paint against seven footers for 32 minutes a night while directing action on defense.
By VahagnLol. Have you ever guarded a 7-footer before? I'm asking seriously.By IWMTB19"I can tell you that closing out on shooters is more exhausting than being the anchor of the 3rd best defense in the NBA and protecting the paint on every possession" I need the lol symbol back, relio :(
Lol. Have you ever done a closeout drill? I'm asking seriously.
Would less minutes be better for Kobe? Sure, but for a ball dominate player like Kobe you had to have known a season like this was gonna be how he capped his career if he stood around long enough.
By IWMTB19Kobe was a bit more efficient than Duncan throughout his career, but Kobe is legendary in his inefficiency this year and part of the worst defense in the NBA while Duncan is still close to the best defender in the league.
If Kobe can go fifteen games averaging a lot of assists and having good %s, I would change my opinion about Kobe being fucking terrible this year, but, as of now, I feel confident in saying that Kobe is fucking terrible this year.Lol. Have you ever done a closeout drill? I'm asking seriously.
Have you ever rebounded and banged in the paint against seven footers for 32 minutes a night while directing action on defense.
Yea he has been terrible all year. If your argument is that TD is having the more efficient season. Yea man. Duh. But you're missing the whole point. You think the last 3 games are a fluke? Fine, keep showing your limited lack of basketball understanding.
Maybe he goes back up to playing 35 min a game with no rest days and 20+ shots. In which case his efficiency would plummet. That doesn't change the argument. No matter how much you want this to be a referendum on Kobe being a poo poo head ball hog, this is just about what a player has in the tank at this point, and how they can be most effective.
If he's overused and over extended, as he has been for the first 2 months of the season, things won't bode well. If he's managed like Pop's been managing Duncan for 5 years now, he'll be fine. It's not a skill level, or an IQ level, it's an exhaustion level.
Duncan is smart as hell, and plays angles incredibly effectively. He's an amazing defender. But closing out on a shooter is and always has been exhausting on your legs in a way that few defensive maneuvers are. Kobe's not closing out as a means to save his legs. It's just what it is. Opposing SG's still struggle against LA though, and that's a 2 month sample size to go off of.
He's still shutting down his man despite a poor defensive scheme and poor defensive players. Guess which positions LA struggles to defend the most? PF and PG. For obvious reasons. Our worst individual defenders are at those positions, and the WC is loaded with talent at those positions.
By VahagnAny way, more importantly.
Does Ball Streams work on PC?
Yea. The options are pretty awesome. Watched a game streaming on my PS4 the other day and on my phone a couple times when I was at a friends house.
So Gobert and Favors are starting, its going to be really hard for the Wolves to get points in the paint. Our offense won't be very pretty though.
