2015 NBA Jan |OT| Kyrie Needs Help

By reilo

By IWMTB19The only Rose team that Thibs had struggled throughout that playoff year.

Getting blasted out of the building against a Wizards' team they were heavy favorites against is not good either.

And 2013 probably would have gone a lot better if Deng wasn't literally dying and unable to play.

Wasn't 2013 that year when the entire Bulls team starting lineup had some debilitating injury?

Yes... Which was definitely influenced by Thibs being an insane person.

lol

RT @SherwoodStrauss Is it weird to think Kyle Korver is an All-Star and LMA isn't this year? Is that socially acceptable?

RT @SherwoodStrauss I like Korver as an All-Star because he scares defenses all game and kills them when he does shoot. He's ruining defenses just by existing

RT @SherwoodStrauss I'd like to see credit in basketball move from "Guy scored many points" to "Guy impacted game." This might be dumb to want

RT @SherwoodStrauss LMA is good and crucial to Portland, but he's shooting a bunch at low efficiency. Also, not shooting the kinds of shots that lead to Orebs

Bro.

Bulls shouldn't have been favorites. Wiz were better last year and are better now as well. Maybe not overall, but just in regards to that matchup, they can't beat us, just like we can't beat the Raps.

By Dark PhaZeBulls shouldn't have been favorites. Wiz were better last year and are better now as well. Maybe not overall, but just in regards to that matchup, they can't beat us, just like we can't beat the Raps.

I have absolute confidence in the Horncats sweeping the Raptors in the playoffs if they were to ever meet - but since we're locked into the 8th seed at best, we're looking at getting massacred in one of the most one-sided playoff matchups of all time going against the Hawks.

I'm secretly suspicious of al horfords ability to stay healthy. He seems susceptible to muscle tears.

Oh IWMTB hahaha. Management refused to upgrade and their best get was Boozer and Rose was done for 3 years - yet they underachieved.

D'Antoni willingly sacrificed defense and rebounding for offense. Thibs had no offense to speak of and built a defensive juggernaut out of Noah and role players.

Thibs' only mistake is playing his starters too many minutes, but if Bulls were committed to winning and shored up his bench, he'd probably ease up.


Scott Brooks just has a bad offense. Always has. Durant/Westrbook/Ibaka and fast breaks mask all that. They could be more efficient and have a higher ORTG and score more points than the Spurs, they'll still have a worse offense.

By VahagnOh IWMTB hahaha. Management refused to upgrade and their best get was Boozer and Rose was done for 3 years - yet they underachieved.

D'Antoni willingly sacrificed defense and rebounding for offense. Thibs had no offense to speak of and built a defensive juggernaut out of Noah and role players.

Thibs' only mistake is playing his starters too many minutes, but if Bulls were committed to winning and shored up his bench, he'd probably ease up.

Your crusade against IWMTB19 is pathetic.

RT @JoeGoodmanJr: STORY: Dwyane Wade out indefinitely http://bit.ly/1tzkRMl

By reilo

By VahagnOh IWMTB hahaha. Management refused to upgrade and their best get was Boozer and Rose was done for 3 years - yet they underachieved.

D'Antoni willingly sacrificed defense and rebounding for offense. Thibs had no offense to speak of and built a defensive juggernaut out of Noah and role players.

Thibs' only mistake is playing his starters too many minutes, but if Bulls were committed to winning and shored up his bench, he'd probably ease up.

Your crusade against IWMTB19 is pathetic.

I don't have a crusade, he just says a lot of stupid shit IMO. To his credit, he tries to talk basketball. Most the people here just link to articles and troll - there's just not much I'm interested in responding there.

If it's not clear yet, I'm more interested in talking basketball, and even though he says a lot of things i disagree with, he at least does that.

By reiloRT @JoeGoodmanJr: STORY: Dwyane Wade out indefinitely http://bit.ly/1tzkRMl

Fuck it

Edit : wade says 2-3 weeks per skolnick.

Probably out till after the ASB. Skolnick says 7 or 8 games.

Fuuck it

By reiloYour crusade against IWMTB19 is pathetic.

Everytime I come in here Vag is talking shit to and about him, even though he clearly knows and studies more about basketball than Vag ever will or dream of.

Oh and Vag just dropped his high brow shit on us LOL

oh look who decides to show up when the heat have some inkling of hope (aka whiteside) this season.

By Dark PhaZeKeikaku

Here's the thing, given everything we know about okc management, are they really going to let Durant just walk out that door? I don't see Presti letting that happen or leaving it to chance. Either sign the extension by next year's deadline or… trade.

Lose Durant and you lose Westbrook. The smart play is to go for a championship again and risk losing Durant in free agency. Obviously if they have a similar record at next year's trade deadline as they do this year, then the thinking will change.

I think IWMBT19's point is that whilst d'antoni was flawed, so is thibs. Thibs insistence on killing guys in the regular season really does kill them come play off time.

And he has been out-coached in the play offs too. A fair counter argument would be that the bulls haven't had the deepest teams that they can use to counter other teams matchup changes. But he also hasn't developed many rotation guys.

The Durant metrics are weird because he's never been healthy enough for long enough for you to say that he has been at full strength this year. So while I can see the arguments that OKC aren't worse (I personally think they are for a bunch of reasons mentioned already), the rest of the west got better.

For e.g. in a match up against the Grizzly, Durant won't have Prince to warm up on and get going before Tony Allen comes in. He now has to face Green.

By giririsssI think IWMBT19's point is that whilst d'antoni was flawed, so is thibs. Thibs insistence on killing guys in the regular season really does kill them come play off time.

And he has been out-coached in the play offs too. A fair counter argument would be that the bulls haven't had the deepest teams that they can use to counter other teams matchup changes. But he also hasn't developed many rotation guys.

The Durant metrics are weird because he's never been healthy enough for long enough for you to say that he has been at full strength this year. So while I can see the arguments that OKC aren't worse (I personally think they are for a bunch of reasons mentioned already), the rest of the west got better.

For e.g. in a match up against the Grizzly, Durant won't have Prince to warm up on and get going before Tony Allen comes in. He now has to face Green.

KD could definitely warm up with Green defending him. OKC would just put morrow/Roberson on Green

Thibs has done fine. With Rose they went to the ECF and lost to Miami. big deal.

Rose tore his ACL and they lost.

Then they beat a Brooklyn team most thought was better than them without Rose to make the semifinals.

IMO, Washington was always the better team (but maybe HCA could carry them) last year but some thought differently. Either way it was never going to be an easy series for Chicago to win and they didn't.

Not sure Thibs deserves a ton of blame for their playoffs. If anything, they've done as good or better than they should have,

I agree he overplays players but not anymore than what used to be the case just 10 years ago. I wish he was the Laker coach.

When the hell is Rubio coming back?

Why doesn't Vahagn just ask IWMTB out already?

By HasphatsAntsWhy doesn't Vahagn just ask IWMTB out already?

It... Its not like he likes him or anything!

By ph33nix

By reiloYour crusade against IWMTB19 is pathetic.

Everytime I come in here Vag is talking shit to and about him, even though he clearly knows and studies more about basketball than Vag ever will or dream of.

Oh and Vag just dropped his high brow shit on us LOL

Really? You've got a timer on you checking how much time each person has alloted to studying basketball?

I'd love to see your research on the topic, otherwise kindly sit down.

Just because the guy wholeheartedly accepts advanced metrics without an ounce of questioning doesn't mean he knows more, it means he has a different philosophy. By your logic Hollinger knows more and studies more basketball than Phil Jackson.

By HasphatsAntsWhy doesn't Vahagn just ask IWMTB out already?

You've confused me responding to IWMTB more than you mainly because I have a problem with him. No, it's because he actually provides some semblance of substance worth responding to.

I'd love to see Thibs take the Pelicans job though. LAWD

Thibs defense with Anthony Davis...

if Thib is "fired" I hope he goes to the pelicans.

By psychintellectWhen the hell is Rubio coming back?

On Sunday, Flip said that he thinks he'll play within a week. So soonish maybe? He's too important to rush back and risk being injured again.

http://www.slamonline.com/nba/report-new-york-knicks-play-kevin-durant-2016/

uh-oh.

By rodeoclown

By psychintellectWhen the hell is Rubio coming back?

On Sunday, Flip said that he thinks he'll play within a week. So soonish maybe? He's too important to rush back and risk being injured again.

Isn't it just a sprained ankle?

By rodeoclown

By psychintellectWhen the hell is Rubio coming back?

On Sunday, Flip said that he thinks he'll play within a week. So soonish maybe? He's too important to rush back and risk being injured again.

Hello bottom of the west and top 3 pick .

By thekad

By Dark PhaZeKeikaku

Here's the thing, given everything we know about okc management, are they really going to let Durant just walk out that door? I don't see Presti letting that happen or leaving it to chance. Either sign the extension by next year's deadline or… trade.

Lose Durant and you lose Westbrook. The smart play is to go for a championship again and risk losing Durant in free agency. Obviously if they have a similar record at next year's trade deadline as they do this year, then the thinking will change.

Not necessarily. They have control over Westbrook for a year longer, and would presumably get picks, cap space from expirings and a young piece from a Durant trade. I think they'd be in a goodposition to keep him if they can put pieces around him. They can offer him a super max and he'd get first option touches too.

By Dark PhaZeNot necessarily. They have control over Westbrook for a year longer, and would presumably get picks, cap space from expirings and a young piece from a Durant trade. I think they'd be in a goodposition to keep him if they can put pieces around him. They can offer him a super max and he'd get first option touches too.

Read this before I looked at the avatar and I literally thought you were Gondo.

By psychintellectKD could definitely warm up with Green defending him. OKC would just put morrow/Roberson on Green

Don't see him going off on Green the way he abused prince. And neither morrow or roberson are athletic enough to keep up with green. Grizz are one of the few teams that can force OKC to match up to them.

But it's Durant. He can go off on anybody, it's just the degree of dificulty.

By MambaI agree he overplays players but not anymore than what used to be the case just 10 years ago. I wish he was the Laker coach.

But it's not 10 years ago. It's not 15 or 20 years ago. Injury prevention and fatigue management are real things that thibs chooses to ignore. Lord knows why.

By giririsss

By psychintellectKD could definitely warm up with Green defending him. OKC would just put morrow/Roberson on Green

Don't see him going off on Green the way he abused prince. And neither morrow or roberson are athletic enough to keep up with green. Grizz are one of the few teams that can force OKC to match up to them.

But it's Durant. He can go off on anybody, it's just the degree of dificulty.

By MambaI agree he overplays players but not anymore than what used to be the case just 10 years ago. I wish he was the Laker coach.

But it's not 10 years ago. It's not 15 or 20 years ago. Injury prevention and fatigue management are real things that thibs chooses to ignore. Lord knows why.

I actually think that prince is a better defender than Green

Fuck shit fuck :/ Dwyane out for two to three weeks?

My enthusiasm for this season is slowly going out the window.

Millsap, Teague, and Horford are all-stars.

Millsap back to back all-star seasons :)

By reilo

By DominicanPower

By reiloHarden is the Carmelo of shooting guards until proven otherwise.

When are you going to admit that Lillard is also a chucker?

The moment you become a productive poster.

Answer the question, puto.

By psychintellectI actually think that prince is a better defender than Green

Prince is a better technical defender. But he just wasn't big/fast enough to keep up with Durant.

I think Prince would make a really good defensive coach/co-ordinator for a team actually.

Wait, since when is Lillard not a volume shooter?

And how the fuck is Cousins not an All-Star?

By giririsss

By MambaI agree he overplays players but not anymore than what used to be the case just 10 years ago. I wish he was the Laker coach.

But it's not 10 years ago. It's not 15 or 20 years ago. Injury prevention and fatigue management are real things that thibs chooses to ignore. Lord knows why.

Because he's never had a good bench? Obviously what he's doing is wrong, but I don't think Thibs would routinely play his starters 42 minutes if his bench was able to expand on leads.

Dude has coached some teams where Nate Robinson or DJ Augustin were the 1st or 2nd offensive option. The Suns right now have like 5 guys who are better than every scoring option the Bulls had last year.

By Dark PhaZeBulls shouldn't have been favorites. Wiz were better last year and are better now as well. Maybe not overall, but just in regards to that matchup, they can't beat us, just like we can't beat the Raps.

Just like the Raps can't beat the Bulls. It's the circle of life.

By DY_nastyI have absolute confidence in the Horncats sweeping the Raptors in the playoffs if they were to ever meet

I'm not taking your obvious bait!

.....

(*Circles March 6 on calendar*)

The Starters are fucking hilarious today

By Dark PhaZeThe Starters are fucking hilarious today

A show that is on when im at work and isnt replayed..

so lame.

By diehard

By Dark PhaZeThe Starters are fucking hilarious today

A show that is on when im at work and isnt replayed..

so lame.

There is a podcast version of the show

By viakado

By rodeoclown

By psychintellectWhen the hell is Rubio coming back?

On Sunday, Flip said that he thinks he'll play within a week. So soonish maybe? He's too important to rush back and risk being injured again.

Hello bottom of the west and top 3 pick .

8th seed and below out East are gonna be handing eachother Ws but Minny's upcoming schedule looks kinda brutal

Jan
@Philly
Cleveland

Feb
@ Dallas
Miami
Memphis
@Det
ATL
Golden State
Phoenix
@Houston
Washington
@Chicago
Memphis

There's like 2 gimmes until March, it eases up in March but they're gonna have to pull off some tough wins for LA to be bottom in the West.

Is the East going to have a 50-loss playoff team?

By The FrankmanAnd how the fuck is Cousins not an All-Star?

Because the West is loaded. Who would you put him in front of?

The special Cousins rule continues. Everyone else has to perform like an all-star. Cousins has to be 6'11 Lebron James just for a coach nod.

By jjasper

By The FrankmanAnd how the fuck is Cousins not an All-Star?

Because the West is loaded. Who would you put him in front of?

Blake, LMA, Dirk, Duncan, and possibly Durant due to injuries.

By Vahagn

By giririsss

By MambaI agree he overplays players but not anymore than what used to be the case just 10 years ago. I wish he was the Laker coach.

But it's not 10 years ago. It's not 15 or 20 years ago. Injury prevention and fatigue management are real things that thibs chooses to ignore. Lord knows why.

Because he's never had a good bench? Obviously what he's doing is wrong, but I don't think Thibs would routinely play his starters 42 minutes if his bench was able to expand on leads.

Dude has coached some teams where Nate Robinson or DJ Augustin were the 1st or 2nd offensive option. The Suns right now have like 5 guys who are better than every scoring option the Bulls had last year.

If you don't play a bench. If you don't develop a bench. A bench doesn't magically appear. They had Butler buried at one stage. They've had options. Thibs just prefers to kill guys first then when they're injured, kill the next bench guy.

An example, Omer Asik in his 2 years with the bulls played 12.1 and 14.7 mpg.

Butler went 8.5 & 26.0 in his first two seasons straight to 38.5 & 39.5 And his minutes only got up to 26 because thibs started playing him over 40mpg at the end of the season. i.e. once he found out Butler was good, he ran him into the ground.

Thibs does that kind of thing regularly. He doesn't balance minutes between guys. Yeah, some of the bulls bench is limited, but it's not horrible at all, far from it, there are plenty of coaches doing more with less. Their guard rotation is Rose, Butler, Hinrich, AB3. There's no reason Butler has to be playing almost 40mpg with that. That' serviceable. At every spot on this bulls team there are rotation guys who are good enough to be playing 15 - 20mpg such that no starter HAS to be playing over 32mpg.

Thibs just refuses to buy into it. That's his option. But after seeing that bulls team constantly deal with an extensive injury list...... he should be looking at injury prevention and open himself up to possibilities in changing things to help prevent injury.

By etiolation

By jjasper

By The FrankmanAnd how the fuck is Cousins not an All-Star?

Because the West is loaded. Who would you put him in front of?

Blake, LMA, Dirk, Duncan, and possibly Durant due to injuries.

i agree about Blake but he is voted in. Durant has been awesome when he has played LMA should be in and the other 2 aren't in.

By reiloIs the East going to have a 50-loss playoff team?

Charlotte won't be 8th without Kemba, Brooklyn won't have Bropez after the all star break...so that leaves Boston since Detroit lost Jennings.

So the question becomes, can Boston win more than 16 games this season...I doubt it.

I'd leave Duncan off. Yea, he's led a banged up team, but that team has additional depth because he also took way below market value on his most recent contract too so...

Point is, its a greater injustice leaving Boogie off than Duncan by a longshot imo

LMA's at the TNT studios tonight so he's definitely in.