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By S@l Go To PostTintin bruvmy man
By Yurt Go To PostZazo looks like we aren't getting IconOh? PSG finally had enough? :D
By Shanks D Zoro Go To PostI really have no idea, what Juve is gonna look like.With Berardi and possibly another top-ish shelf midfielder incoming, I think our starting XI will vary a fair bit next season.
The certainties are Buffon, BBC, Alex Sandro and Dani Alves (I'm 90% he's coming) on the flanks, Pogba in the midfield and Dybala up front.
Allegri is probably readying two base formations. A 4-X-X one, where Dani Alves plays as RB and links up with Berardi in the midfield and Dybala up front, and the usual 3-5-2 one, where Dani Alves replaces / alternates with Lichtsteiner and Berardi is either power subbed in or warms the bench.
It really depends on what happens with Morata / Zaza and whether we do in fact manage to snatch a top midfielder from somewhere.
By Zabojnik Go To PostOh? PSG finally had enough? :D
With Berardi and possibly another top-ish shelf midfielder incoming, I think our starting XI will vary a fair bit next season.
The certainties are Buffon, BBC, Alex Sandro and Dani Alves (I'm 90% he's coming) on the flanks, Pogba in the midfield and Dybala up front.
Allegri is probably readying two base formations. A 4-X-X one, where Dani Alves plays as RB and links up with Berardi in the midfield and Dybala up front, and the usual 3-5-2 one, where Dani Alves replaces / alternates with Lichtsteiner and Berardi is either power subbed in or warms the bench.
It really depends on what happens with Morata / Zaza and whether we do in fact manage to snatch a top midfielder from somewhere.
I have no idea why Italy consider the likes of Berardi and SES as midfielders. The two best inside forwards Italy has produced in a long time. Only in Italy.
edit: If SES doesn't start for Italy then we deserve to crash and burn.
By Zabojnik Go To PostOh? PSG finally had enough? :DI wouldn't mind getting rid of both of them (less so Morata but if it means getting a top class already-made striker...)
With Berardi and possibly another top-ish shelf midfielder incoming, I think our starting XI will vary a fair bit next season.
The certainties are Buffon, BBC, Alex Sandro and Dani Alves (I'm 90% he's coming) on the flanks, Pogba in the midfield and Dybala up front.
Allegri is probably readying two base formations. A 4-X-X one, where Dani Alves plays as RB and links up with Berardi in the midfield and Dybala up front, and the usual 3-5-2 one, where Dani Alves replaces / alternates with Lichtsteiner and Berardi is either power subbed in or warms the bench.
It really depends on what happens with Morata / Zaza and whether we do in fact manage to snatch a top midfielder from somewhere.
not sure who that top class striker is.....is there ANYBODY available anyway...might as well fork out to keep the softie
By Yurt Go To PostI wouldn't mind getting rid of both of them (less so Morata but if it means getting a top class already-made striker…)
Totti is a free agent.
By Yurt Go To PostMichael Owen tier move
You are such an Auto tier poster.
Where is that ignore button.
edit: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jU9gE9NnlK8
found a new Pirlo video. gosh, he has given me so many many hard ons over the years
By Yurt Go To PostI wouldn't mind getting rid of both of them (less so Morata but if it means getting a top class already-made striker…)There isn't, at least not someone we can afford. Which is why Marotta is trying his damndest to keep Morata, even if it means overpaying for him.
not sure who that top class striker is…..is there ANYBODY available anyway…might as well fork out to keep the softie
Marry keeps saying we'll try to get Real to let go of that buyback clause, but I'm pretty sure he'd settle for another year of status quo.
I still think he's going back to Real in the end, especially with that transfer market ban looming over their heads, which is going to be a bitch for us.
As I've said before, we absolutely can't afford to show up in CL with a strike force of Mandzu, Dybala, Zaza and Berardi. We just can't.
By Zabojnik Go To PostThere isn't, at least not someone we can afford. Which is why Marotta is trying his damndest to keep Morata, even if it means overpaying him.
I still think he's going back to Real in the end, especially with that transfer market ban looming over their heads, which is going to be a bitch for us.
As I've said before, we absolutely can't afford to show up in CL with a strike force of Mandzu, Dybala, Zaza and Berardi. We just can't.
I would love if Juve said fuck it, and just decided to offer 70-80 mil for Lewa. After all, this less than what Juve earned in the CL this year.
By Shanks D Zoro Go To PostI would love if Juve said fuck it, and just decided to offer 70-80 mil for Lewa. After all, this less than what Juve earned in the CL this year.Not going to happen, best to just forget about it. Maybe in 5-10 years, if our revenue keeps growing at a satisfying rate (which it won't, because we'll hit the ceiling set by the commercial shittiness of Serie A sooner rather than later).
Our short term goal should be to keep dominating in Italy, keep doing well in CL (possibly lift that accursed trophy one of these years, even if it's by sheer luck) and getting to the point where we can afford to spend 30-40M€ on a couple of soon-to-be top players per summer mercato session.
By Zabojnik Go To PostNot going to happen, best to just forget about it. Maybe in 5-10 years, if our revenue keeps growing at a satisfying rate (which it won't, because we'll hit the ceiling set by the commercial shittiness of Serie A sooner rather than later).
Our short term goal should be to keep dominating in Italy, keep doing well in CL (possibly lift that accursed trophy one of these years, even if it's by sheer luck) and getting to the point where we can afford to spend 30-40M€ on a couple of soon-to-be top players per summer mercato session.
That is the thing that has always annoyed me about Arsenal, and I think your thinking is bad as well.
Spending and winning generates revenue.
Sponsors want to be associated with the biggest and best names in the sport. They want to be associated with winners, the teams that go far in the CL.
The only ceiling for a team like Juve is their own ambition.
Why buy soon to be players when Juve should be buying world class stars. Nedved, Buffon, Thuram, Canna.
By Shanks D Zoro Go To PostThat is the thing that has always annoyed me about Arsenal, and I think your thinking is bad as well.I'm sorry, but this is verging on wishful thinking.
Spending and winning generates revenue.
Sponsors want to be associated with the biggest and best names in the sport. They want to be associated with winners, the teams that go far in the CL.
The only ceiling for a team like Juve is their own ambition.
Why buy soon to be players when Juve should be buying world class stars. Nedved, Buffon, Thuram, Canna.
Yes, in principle winning breeds winning and success.
Sponsors want that, but that's just part of the story. What they really want is what's traditionally associated with a winning club. Tons of fans. They want their brand to have as much exposure and visibility as possible, because that's what they can exploit and profit from.
Sure, it's nice to be associated with Juventus, because they're a big club, they're smashing it in Italy, doing well in Europe and have millions of fans.
But say you're a shirt sponsor. As such, let's say what interests you the most is how many people get to see Juventus play and appear with your logo all over their apparel. (There's obviously more to it, but let's keep things simple for the sake of the argument.) And it's doesn't have to be just Juve fans. With the exception of the hardcore haters, who're so bitter they wouldn't buy anything associated with Juve, everyone is welcome. Neutrals especially.
And so a Serie A game is played. 5X people watch it. Elsewhere, an #EPL game is played. 50X people watch it. Meanwhile, Juve get their hands on yet another scudetto. Maybe, by some miracle, they even manage to win a CL. Joy, tears, spontaneous acts of sexual interaction everywhere.
New season, new Serie A game. Juve are on a high, so there are now 7X people watching it. There should be more, but Juve are playing away vs. Crotone in a stadium that barely deserves that name. Nobody wants to see that. Elsewhere, an #EPL game is played and since the league keeps gaining in popularity, because there's a synergy between clubs & sponsors & everything, there are now over 60X people watching it.
The time for a contract renegotiation with said shirt sponsor is nigh. Juve went from 5X to 7X. The sponsor is happy, they'll shell out more money, but it'll be maybe something in the range of 20-30M€ extra.
That aforementioned #EPL club? Yeah. They didn't win shit last season, but they'll still get a 100M€ increase. And the gap is only going to get bigger.
So yes, Juventus should be buying top players. But with what money and how, when a top #EPL club (plus Barca, Real, Bayern and PSG) can afford to spend 3x as much? Romanticism has long left football, so it's getting harder and harder to attract big players on fame and club history alone. They want that €, and there's absolutely nothing wrong with that. It's what the world runs on.
How are you going to spend 80M€ on Lewandowski, when you're trying to be a financially sustainable club? You could do it. For a year or four. And then you'd end up like Inter. Broke and having to start from 0, with a recovery period that could stretch to decades.
There are things Juve can do to improve their revenue, and they've been doing them, and then there's things that are simply out of their control.
Brand / league power is a thing, Shanks. It is the thing that can get you to the next level, when you can't count on rich oilgarchs and big banks to keep fueling your ambitions. Or when your owners make billions every year, but refuse to invest in their club, like our dear Exor does.
And it's not even a situation that's remotely comparable to Arsenal's. The Bank of Arsenal may be a similarly stingy organization, but they're refusing to reinvest large parts of their club's profits, as opposed to Exor, where any financial injection would be simply them playing sugar daddy.
Lack of ambition may have something to do with it in Arsenal's case. In ours, it's simply called living in a 'harsh' reality.
Wall of fucking text. Yurt made me do it.
By GQman2121 Go To PostLukaku
Kante
Koulibaly, Hector
Some Serie A keeper. Maybe that Scuffet who seems to pop up from time to time.
Scuffet should have gone to AM when he had the chance:((
By Zabojnik Go To PostI'm sorry, but this is verging on wishful thinking.
Yes, in principle winning breeds winning and success.
Sponsors want that, but that's just part of the story. What they really want is what's traditionally associated with a winning club. Tons of fans. They want their brand to have as much exposure and visibility as possible, because that's what they can exploit and profit from.
Sure, it's nice to be associated with Juventus, because they're a big club, they're smashing it in Italy, doing well in Europe, and have millions of fans.
But say you're a shirt sponsor. As such, let's say what interests you the most is how many people get to see Juventus play and appear with your logo all over their apparel. (There's obviously more to it, but let's keep things simple for the sake of the argument.) And it's doesn't have to be just Juve fans. With the exception of the hardcore haters, who're so bitter they wouldn't buy anything associated with Juve, everyone is welcome. Neutrals especially.
And so a Serie A game is played. 5X people watch it. Elsewhere, an #EPL game is played. 50X people watch it. Meanwhile, Juve get their hands on yet another scudetto. Maybe, by some miracule, they even manage to win a CL. Joy, tears, spontaneous acts of sexual interaction everywhere.
New season, new Serie A game. Juve are on a high, so there are now 7X people watching it. There should be more, but Juve are playing away vs. Crotone in a stadium that barely deserves that name. Nobody wants to see that. Elsewhere, an #EPL game is played and since the league keeps gaining in popularity, because there's a synergy between clubs & sponsors & everything, there are now over 60X people watching it.
The time for a contract renegotiation with said shirt sponsor is nigh. Juve went from 5X to 7X. The sponsor is happy, they'll shell out more money, but it'll be maybe something in the range of 20-30M€ extra.
That aforementioned #EPL club? Yeah. They didn't win shit last season, but they'll still get a 100M€ increase. And the gap is only going to get bigger.
So yes, Juventus should be buying top players. But with what money and how, when a top #EPL club (plus Barca, Real, Bayern and PSG) can afford to spend 3x as much? Romanticism has long left football, so it's getting harder and harder to attract big players on fame and club history alone. They want that €, and there's absolutely nothing wrong with that. It's what the world runs on.
How are you going to spend 80M€ on Lewandowski, when you're trying to be a financially sustainable club?
There are things Juve can do to improve their revenue, and they are doing them, and then there's things that are simply out of their control.
Brand / league power is a thing, Shanks. It is the thing that can get you to the next level, when you can't count on rich oilgarchs and big banks to keep fueling your ambitions. Or when your owners make billions every year, but refuse to invest significant amounts of said money in their club, like our dear Exor does. And it's not even a situation that's remotely comparable to Arsenal. The Bank of Arsenal may be a similarly stingy organizations, but they're refusing to reinvest large parts of their club's profits, as opposed to Exor, where any financial injection on their part would be plaing the big daddy.
Lack of ambition may have something to do in Arsenal's case. In ours, it's simply called living in reality.
Wall of fucking text. Yurt made me do it.
I am out right now, so I can't fully reply to this wonderful post.
I have saved it and will give a not drunk reply tomorrow.
This post is just another reason why I think you are the best poster, based on football.
By Shanks D Zoro Go To PostScuffet should have gone to AM when he had the chance:((He's still very young isn't he? I only recall the name because I think one of our scouts had mentioned him a few years ago and he was still only a teenager then.